@unnamed00 What is the truth? Not that Russia is better, than Canada. When you rate best on best tournaments since 1970 (can't count olympics or WHC because we don't have our best available) the 81 Canada Cup and 06 Olympics are your only victories.
I guess Canada had amateurs in the 79 Challenge Cup...
If you want to be selective, there have only been 5 tournaments where both the USSR and Canada played with their best against each other. All of the tournaments were in North America, except one half of the series in 72. The Soviets won two convincingly in blowouts. Canada won three very close ones with dirty play and/or favorable officiating.
@unnamed00 Poor officiating is only your opinion (which is obviously biased), you cannot prove it. As for dirty play, checking in allowed in the NHL. If you want to watch hockey with limited physical aggression my understanding is that hockey is played in the KHL.
@unnamed00 Your video is shamelessly biased. Were there no missed calls going the other way? And actually I see some of those calls as being legitimate. I would have to watch the whole game and document. As for the rough stuff, we established how the game of hockey is played, and if you don't like it, go back to Bandy. You do not show a balanced view and that can only be done by seeing the game. Funny, I watched this back in 87, don't remember a reffing controversey then . . .
Well that explains everything... If you watched back in 87 then you don't remember most of the stuff. And what controversy could have been there at that time in Canada, if it was all about "go Canada go"?
I guess putting on a bear hug or crosschecking to the back is what distinguishes hockey from bandy? Again only in your world...
You can make your own video about how the Soviets played and then we can compare.
@unnamed00 I remember it quite clearly, and it was a very closely contested battle, which we won :) So you are saying you were too young to have seen it originally? And now you simply pick and choose clips that support your dysfunctional belief system? Sorry, I don't care to make propaganda, only to discredit those who do.Bandy, as you should know has distinctly diferent equipment than hockey and different rink size. I only mentioned it as that is where original CCCP hockey players came from
So you actually think that you seeing the game way back then is enough for you to make a judgment? Or that this makes you more knowledgeable than me when it comes to this game, even though I watched this game over and over? How silly...
@unnamed00 I am saying I am more knowledgeable because I have watched more hockey than you have young man, and, hockey is much more ingrained in our culture than Uzbekistan or wherever you come from. You arrogance is galling.
Uzbekistan was part of the USSR, if you did not know that...
You may have watched more hockey than me but that is irrelevant, as you did not watch this game more than me. What is arrogant is you claiming to know more about this game even though you only watched it in 1987...
@unnamed00 Yes, of course I am aware Uzbekistan was part of the USSR, as was Kazhakstan, Belarus, Tajikistan etc. You show your arrogance simply by making that sarcastic comment. As for my comments, I am not being arrogant by claiming to know more about this game, I am saying I know more about hockey than you do, and have been watching it longer, and have played it for longer. That would apply to anything, experience trumps all.
@unnamed00 And your statements are equally homer. I have had a chance to view more of the game in question and I have noticed a fair number of calls going against Canada. Non-calls as well. It looks to me like the ref tried to call as little as possible and let the players play as is the practice in playoff hockey. Once again your points are all biased and shamelessly one-sided.
@unnamed00 You should just accept that your country got beat and not continue to look for excuses. Great teams are able to overcome poor officiating (which you have not proven) and excuses are for losers, loser.
@unnamed00 As for Canadians playing dirty in your KHL, well, if they didn't have enough skill to play there they wouldn't be getting a contract. And when I google Russian hockey fights in the KHL I only see Russians fighting and the fans love it from what I could see. Maybe you should watch the 1987 WJC hockey final to see how dirty Russians can be when they play the spoiler.
@unnamed00 Don't tell you? When the fight at the WJC in '87 happened CCCP was out of medal contention, Canada was on track to win the gold. The video high lights clearly show the Soviet coach encouraging his team over the boards for a bench clearing brawl. Why would Canada start a fight with so much to lose? It was clearly poor sportsmanship on the part of the Soviets. Only a homer like you with his blinders on could not see that.
So the Soviet coach started a brawl knowing that he will get fired for it, just so that Canada would not get a medal in a junior tournament?? There was a fight already on the ice and the Soviet coach was yelling that one of the players who had a dislocated shoulder needed help. Then some Soviet players unexpectedly left the bench to help, but the fight on the ice was started by Canadians as usual.
And Canada was not on track to win the gold, as it needed many more goals to have a chance.
@unnamed00 Yes, actually a gold was well within reach as Canada was handily beating the Soviet junior team. And the fight on the ice was not started by the Canadians. The fight began in earnest when Pavel Kostichkin levelled a two handed slash against Theoren Fleury (Punch-up in Piestany, Wikipedia) and the first player off the bench was Evgeny Davydov. When the Soviets began leaving the bench en masse the Canadians had to defend their mates. It is truly sickening how you skew facts.
And you get your facts from Wikipedia and then misrepresent what is written there... You missed the description of the game before the brawl or the fact that Canada was already involved in another brawl in the tournament. So you think that Fleury, given his history, did not play a key role in starting the brawl? Read what he did when he scored a goal.
Canada was leading 4-2, not nearly enough to win gold.
@unnamed00 There was another period yet to play and Canada was in control. So are you saying Fleury started the whole thing because he did some show boating? If they shared your deranged sense of logic in the NHL Ovechkin would be dead by now.
Fleury taunting the Soviets shows what kind of a player he was and the things Canada was doing in the game. So saying that the Soviets started the dirty play and the fighting is silly.
@unnamed00 Did you read the article? It says "Off the opening faceoff, Sergei Shesterikov elbowed Canadian Dave McLlwain, who responded by cross-checking the Soviet player." So Russia started the game off with dirty play and Canada responded. Fleury is an agitator and always has been. So what? Disciplined teams don't respond and stay focussed on the task, the Soviet players did not. It sickens me how you pick and choose facts to support your lies, and then say how unbiased you are.
So it was only the Soviets who had a discipline problem? They were supposed to ignore the agitation and dirty play by Fleury and others. Considering that team Canada was already involved in a brawl in a previous game and the way Canadians traditionally play, it is hard to imagine that the Soviets started the dirty play...
@unnamed00 Well they did start off the play, playing dirty, that's what it says in Wikipedia. Or, as usual do you pick and choose facts to support your lies . . . ?
@unnamed00 Huh, I must have hit a nerve with that one. I understand how Wikipedia works, my point was that you are fine with what is in Wikipedia as long as it supports what you are saying.
I told you I only block those who obsessively flame and babble off topic.
Let's see here, you went from the 87 games to insults towards me and Russia, to skinheads, to nationalism, to Stalin, to your supposed history degree, to your sex tourism...
@unnamed00 Btw, if I am banned from here the only message sent will be that you were incapable of debating fairly and took your puck and went home, as we would say in Canada.
@unnamed00 Interesting how you had no problems with what is said in Wikipedia when it supports your argument (Fleury taunting the Russians) but anything that goes against what you think, you say is false. Yet another example of you picking and choosing facts to support your lies. Common practice in propaganda.
@unnamed00 And both sides have an opportunity to edit it. Maybe you should get on there and sort them out, then you could quote yourself and that would be perfect for you.
@unnamed00 You know, your continued assertions at my ignorrance of Russia are humourous. I have been to Moscow and St. Pete, I am of course familiar with a Russian last name vs a north american one. In some of the KHL fights there was a north american, but mostly Russian on Russian. One thing I noticed on my noticed in my travels is I have never seen a more self-centered, racist and ethnocentric nation than Russia. Try walking downtown Moscow and tell me how many black people you see.
I have been to Canada and there are much less black people there than in New York, so that obviously means Canadians are much more racist... (going by your logic)
Let me guess, in Russia you started saying that the country sucks in hockey and got slapped around?
Until recently the KHL had names written in Russian so I doubt you could have read those.
@unnamed00 I'm not sure what city you have been to Canada but if you were in Toronto you would have seen nearly as many black people as in New York. Comparitively, there were NO black people in downtown Moscow that I saw. Not one. Just a lot of your Uzbeki cousins cleaning the streets. So you know, I can read your country's alphabet so once again you have made a stupid assumption, which is not surprising it seems to be your habit.
@unnamed00 True Uzbeks are descended from Mongolia and we have plenty of Chinese here and even some Mongolians. So no, we are not racist. I myself grew up in a town that was mainly Ukrainian and was obliged to take it in school, so yes I can struggle through reading it. And while Russian is slightly different from Ukrainian, the Alphabet itself is virtually the same with a few minor differences. Or did you know that?
@unnamed00 I don't hate Russians you goof. My fiance is Russian and my child will be born there, and will be there, until we are able to sort out her emmigration to Canada. What do you think I was doing there? Actually many Ukrainian Canadians cheered for the USSR in hockey. Bit of a sore point actually. Canada does owe them a great debt for helping to build our country though. Are you trying to tell me Uzbeks have no Asian DNA? Sure doesn't look like it.
Ukrainian Canadians are often nationalists when it comes to Russia and the USSR (especially the families of former nazi collaborators who emigrated after WWII). Koharski was maybe one of those...
So you were going there as a sex tourist, just like I thought...
@unnamed00 Wow, now that's when I know I have won the argument. When my opponent resorts to shameless low blows because he cannot win with logic. Ukrainian Canadians are proud of their heritage, but they don't hate Russians, or Poles, or Austrians, or any other country that invaded them. They have taken the opportunity to prosper in Canada and they have done very well.We are lucky to have them. You don't what you are talking about in this regard.Koharski could be Polish for all you know.
@unnamed00 And you continue to to go even more off-line with you are comments. I have not met a Ukrainian who is a member of this congress. In the mother country, Eastern Ukraine's population is much different than Western Ukraine as is their political view and attitude towards Russia. You can't say all Ukrainians are anti-Russian. Although, the way they were treated by Stalin and the Tsars, who would blame them?
@unnamed00 And as for your comment that I was a sex tourist, well, somewhat humourous. In actuality I met a nice Russian girl and she wanted to show me her beautiful country and it is beautiful. Just a bit grumpy with people like you. Unfortunately she could not find a good Russian guy as her experience was that they are pre-occupied with pursuing as many mistresses as they can. Maybe that's your game, not mine.
@unnamed00 As I understand it I just have to be loyal and not be unfaithful to my fiance to keep her happy. Unfortunately she could not find a Russian man who did not engage in adultery, or I assure you she would not have looked elsewhere. I am not being grumpy, I am ardently defending against your false assumptions. Get it right.
@unnamed00 I am curious, on what qualifications have you deemed yourself supremely knowledgable of hockey, Ukrainian-Canadians, the Ukrainian Canadian congress, eastern european history, sex tourists, my mood and sobriety, Canada . . . have I pretty much covered it? Do you even live in Uzbekistan anymore?
@unnamed00 Furthermore, Stalin was on par with Hitler with respect to abuse of his people, so who would blame them with collaboration? In reality many Soviet citizens, including some Russians collaborated. It is the nature of survival during war time.
It is not a matter of survival if you volunteer to fight alongside the enemy or work for them, especially when you take part in war crimes (Ukrainian partisans, police, SS division). You need to learn history, and not from the Ukrainian nationalists...
@unnamed00 I'm not saying there are harps or halos and every Ukrainian and one of these war criminals your fer to was an ex-Ukrainian (Demanyuk) tried in my own country. I have a degree in history kid, and I didn't have a single Ukrainian professor. What's your educational background.
@unnamed00 Actually I have taken many courses in University in Eastern European history including those specifically relating to Russia (Czar Nicholas II to present). How about you? As for hockey, I would be surprised if you knew how to skate. You are not equiped to be deciding whether officiating is good or bad.
@unnamed00 You wouldn't think they would, my point is Stalin was a tryrant and very hard on his people. If Hitler had not been worse of a Tyrant to east europeans they would have welcomed him as a liberator, as many initially did. As it turned out, most Ukrainians supported the partisan movement against Hitler.
@unnamed00 As for my visit to Russia, Canadians in general are respectful of other countries when visiting and that is what I was in Russia. Pretty grumpy people in Moscow, St. Pete is much nicer. What did you do in Canada? Grumble that there was no quality ballet to watch?
While post-Soviet Moscow is not the friendliest of places, it would not surprise me that you were not so friendly... Also what does this have to do with hockey, I don't know.... You were trying to make a point with this?
@unnamed00 You said that I was probably running around Moscow shooting my mouth off and getting my face slapped by Russians. I was countering your rather foolish and immature point.
@unnamed00 I never said I was mistreated, I said I found Moscow to be unfriendly, nobody smiled. Learn to read english please, or comprehend and understand it at least.
@unnamed00 Well they are. It's ok, americans are like that too, and a lot of British. You're in good company. I mean if producing skinheads was a sport you would win hands down. And Russians love the term "White Russian." You probably aren't even Uzbeki, just a white Russian living in Uzbekistan. That would explain a lot about you.
@unnamed00 When I say "you" I mean Russia is excellent at producing skinheads. I have no idea if you are or not. If you were it would not surprise me. So your Grandfather was Uzbeki and the rest of your DNA is white Russian. So I am mostly right. And once again, when you resort to name calling and cheap shots, you are already showing you have lost the argument.
@unnamed00 Ok, so you are not ethnic Russian, your grandfather is Uzbeki, and you are an ardent supporter of Russian hockey. That's fine. Canada is a nation of immigrants so it's hard to keep track of our DNA. You never did mention your educational background though or if you have even played hockey.
@unnamed00 Actually it was to show you I am familiar and know something of your country. You were also insinuating I can't read Russian. It is a very common (sometimes accurate) stereotype that North Americans know nothing about other countries and you make sarcastic comments throughtout your specious argument. For what purpose only you know.
@unnamed00 What statement is that? I have given some thought to your position on the officiating in this game and can only come to the conclusion that since you are fairly young (25) you have not noted the evolution of officiating in the game. A lot more is called now than what was called in 1987. I'm not sure you have the proper perspective as you probably haven't been watching hockey that long.
My statement is that you have not shown yourself to be informed.
Much of what Canada was getting away with was called back then. Of course the Soviets were often called for what was not being called then and for what is not even being called now...
Post-Soviet Russia is mostly a failure, but in best on best games vs. Canada the team is still 1W-2L (if including a cheap Canadian win in the 96 World Cup where the referee had to change some rules for a Russian goal not to count).
@unnamed00 I don't recall Canada meeting the US in the '96 world cup. and can find no evidence of it. Are you sure you are not referring to the US-USSR game?
Well watch the game. It was relatively clean (except the bad cheapshot on Krutov); there were not as many bad calls or bad no calls. Koharski was more objective; for example, he did not allow a Canadian goal that was kicked in.
But still the Soviets had more penalties in this game, so they were just better using their power play chances...
@unnamed00 Yes, the Soviets were hockey gods, must be how the only best on best game they won against us was the 1981 Canada cup. Other than that when it comes to Canada's best vs Russia's best, Canada wins and Russia loses. There is a talent gap widening between the two countries and it's growing. Take away Malkin and Ovechkin what superstars are they playing in the NHL who are from Russia. Datsyuk? Not bad, getting older. Kovalchuk? More and more he looks like a victim
best on best game = Canada has its best players and it does not matter if the other team does, game is played in Canada with NHL rules and rink size, and the referee is a "competent and honest" NHL professional (preferably Canadian).
You talk about Soviet/Russian fans, but Canadian fans like you live in their own world...
@unnamed00 Finally, the most honest statement you have said. Honesty I can respect, not you presenting yourself as some objective inteligentsia, proponent of honor and justice in sport. You are an ardent Russian hockey fan who is a poor loser. It's ok, the Americans are the same way, we are used to you guys.
@unnamed00 I suggest you review some of what you have written. All you are doing is whining! Making accusations of poor officiating, dirty play. So what! Poor officiating is part of the game, none of this is an exact science, simply human beings doing a job. You are not looking at things objectively and I am not pretending to.
This is not about "human beings doing a job", but about clearly biased officials. Again, you can't say that I am whining because I am presenting proof.
@unnamed00 You only show the calls against the Russians. Without showing all the calls against the Canadians and balancing the two what you are showing is clearly video manipulation, it's not proof. Clearly you yearn for the days of communism where propaganda ruled all.
Propaganda ruled and still rules in Canada, since you seem to not be able to get past it yet.
You think that for every bad call or no call against the Soviets there is one against Canada? That is a wrong assertion, not even close. Watch the game again.
Canada cheated in the 1987 game against USSR. I've seen the replays a USSR player was tripped twice and no penalty was called. I know the referees did not see it, I'm not arguing that. But Canada did cheat, because you are not allowed to trip someone. It really baffles me when people say Canada fairly.
yes it was that same team... that's why that game called miracle on ice... it was a miracle... Soviet team beat Canadians not only in 1981, but also in 1973-74,76 and more... so cheers to you, canuk!
73-74 was a WHA team not NHLers...Hardly Team Canada guy...and Canada won in 76...Bobby Orr was MVP...on one leg...That leaves one win against Canada's best...Hardly the best team ever woudn't you have to agree? You just keep worshiping at the alter of 2nd best if it pleases you though...Cheers!
I'm not disputing whether the Soviets had their best or not in 76...I have no idea who their best are only that CCCP is written across their jerseys...I was merely refuting the contention that the Soviets won in 76...As for the Super Series, that's not Team Canada either, but the NHL's best that year was the Philadelphia Flyers and they beat the Red Army (the Soviets best) handily...I think we've gone over this ad nauseum...
Well the Super Series did not have the Soviet national team either, just two Soviet club teams.
We went over this but you still don't get it.
The Flyers were not the best that year (lost 4-0 in the final series to Montreal). And again, if you want to be proud of the way they won over CSKA, be so ignorant then.
Ok, so they (the Flyers) won in 74 and 75...they were reigning cup champs...and the Red Army only managed a tie against Montreal thanks to the acrobatics of Tretiak...Montreal dominated in every aspect of the game and were clearly the better hockey club...I'll certainly concede that Tretiak was the best goaltender...I may be patriotic but I'm not stupid. As for Philly, they beat the Red Army with tough, hard Canadian hockey and quite soundly at that... of which I'm quite proud...Thanks
They came for money...and they compromised their ideals and integrity when they came back out onto the ice because they were told they wouldn't get paid...Not only were they pussies they whored away their principals for a few American dollars...That, my friend is the hockey club that you're proud of...
The point being the NHL is trying to cut down on hooking and interference...I'll give you three guesses as to which team led the NHL in fighting majors last season...That's right...The Anaheim Ducks (a team that plays a punishing, physical style of hockey much like Philly did in the 70's). Watch and see how many teams try to emulate them, then tell me again about your theory about the NHL banning such hockey...
You weren't even born then so how would you know, guy? They won two consecutive cups and no one on the Bruins or Sabres (the teams they beat in the finals) said one word about them being dirty or "bullies" In fact Orr the best player ever said they were a great team...You're just a punk with two minute clips and second hand information...You probably haven't played a shift of hockey in you life...Quit wasting my time...You obviously know less about hockey than I thought.
With your dumb comments you have not shown that you know more than me. I don't base what I said on just clips. I watched that game against CSKA and read enough on the Flyers. The general view is that the way they played is not respected. Don't tell me that hockey fans were not happy when they got swept by Montreal.
Yeah, go ahead and look at meaningless records like the Olympics pre-Nagano when the Soviets beat up on second rate amateurs or the so called "World Championships" that are held the same time as the NHL playoffs...Sorry, but a tournament without all the best players in the world is not a world championship...
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unnamed00 11 months ago
@unnamed00 What is the truth? Not that Russia is better, than Canada. When you rate best on best tournaments since 1970 (can't count olympics or WHC because we don't have our best available) the 81 Canada Cup and 06 Olympics are your only victories.
lindsman68 1 year ago 6
I guess Canada had amateurs in the 79 Challenge Cup...
If you want to be selective, there have only been 5 tournaments where both the USSR and Canada played with their best against each other. All of the tournaments were in North America, except one half of the series in 72. The Soviets won two convincingly in blowouts. Canada won three very close ones with dirty play and/or favorable officiating.
unnamed00 1 year ago
@unnamed00 Poor officiating is only your opinion (which is obviously biased), you cannot prove it. As for dirty play, checking in allowed in the NHL. If you want to watch hockey with limited physical aggression my understanding is that hockey is played in the KHL.
lindsman68 1 year ago 4
Actually in the KHL it can get very rough, mostly thanks to minor league Canadians...
So hooking, holding, crosschecking, headshots, diving are allowed in the NHL? No this is not allowed, even back then.
I did prove the poor officiating in my other video, and like I said only Canadian homers disagree with me.
unnamed00 1 year ago
@unnamed00 Your video is shamelessly biased. Were there no missed calls going the other way? And actually I see some of those calls as being legitimate. I would have to watch the whole game and document. As for the rough stuff, we established how the game of hockey is played, and if you don't like it, go back to Bandy. You do not show a balanced view and that can only be done by seeing the game. Funny, I watched this back in 87, don't remember a reffing controversey then . . .
lindsman68 1 year ago 2
Well that explains everything... If you watched back in 87 then you don't remember most of the stuff. And what controversy could have been there at that time in Canada, if it was all about "go Canada go"?
I guess putting on a bear hug or crosschecking to the back is what distinguishes hockey from bandy? Again only in your world...
You can make your own video about how the Soviets played and then we can compare.
unnamed00 1 year ago
@unnamed00 I remember it quite clearly, and it was a very closely contested battle, which we won :) So you are saying you were too young to have seen it originally? And now you simply pick and choose clips that support your dysfunctional belief system? Sorry, I don't care to make propaganda, only to discredit those who do.Bandy, as you should know has distinctly diferent equipment than hockey and different rink size. I only mentioned it as that is where original CCCP hockey players came from
lindsman68 1 year ago
So you actually think that you seeing the game way back then is enough for you to make a judgment? Or that this makes you more knowledgeable than me when it comes to this game, even though I watched this game over and over? How silly...
unnamed00 1 year ago
@unnamed00 I am saying I am more knowledgeable because I have watched more hockey than you have young man, and, hockey is much more ingrained in our culture than Uzbekistan or wherever you come from. You arrogance is galling.
lindsman68 1 year ago
Uzbekistan was part of the USSR, if you did not know that...
You may have watched more hockey than me but that is irrelevant, as you did not watch this game more than me. What is arrogant is you claiming to know more about this game even though you only watched it in 1987...
unnamed00 1 year ago
@unnamed00 Yes, of course I am aware Uzbekistan was part of the USSR, as was Kazhakstan, Belarus, Tajikistan etc. You show your arrogance simply by making that sarcastic comment. As for my comments, I am not being arrogant by claiming to know more about this game, I am saying I know more about hockey than you do, and have been watching it longer, and have played it for longer. That would apply to anything, experience trumps all.
lindsman68 1 year ago
There is your arrogance again.
I don't see your vast knowledge in the posts you made, only overused and misinformed homer statements.
unnamed00 1 year ago
@unnamed00 And your statements are equally homer. I have had a chance to view more of the game in question and I have noticed a fair number of calls going against Canada. Non-calls as well. It looks to me like the ref tried to call as little as possible and let the players play as is the practice in playoff hockey. Once again your points are all biased and shamelessly one-sided.
lindsman68 1 year ago
Because the game was officiated in a shamelessly one-sided way...
A fair number of calls/no-calls going against Canada? Yes but that "fair number" can't compare to the one for the Soviets.
Let the players play? Well why did he then call soft penalties on the Soviets?
unnamed00 1 year ago
@unnamed00 And Btw, who here is agreeing with you?
lindsman68 1 year ago 2
This is not the place where people would be agreeing with me, since it is about game one's goals; go to my other video.
unnamed00 1 year ago
@unnamed00 I don't care to. This is more than enough propaganda for me to stomach.
lindsman68 1 year ago 2
You call it propaganda because you can't swallow it.
unnamed00 1 year ago
@unnamed00 What you can't swallow is that your country is no longer a first rate hockey power. You can't even beat Slovakia.
lindsman68 1 year ago
The same Slovakia Canada almost blew a 3-0 lead to?
And again this is about the USSR in 1987, not current Russia.
unnamed00 1 year ago
@unnamed00 Yes, because you love to lament for the past.
lindsman68 1 year ago
@unnamed00 You should just accept that your country got beat and not continue to look for excuses. Great teams are able to overcome poor officiating (which you have not proven) and excuses are for losers, loser.
lindsman68 1 year ago
These are empty words...
Great teams don't need favorable officiating and other advantages to barely squeeze out a win.
If it was a deserving win for Canada I would not have said anything.
unnamed00 1 year ago
@unnamed00 They didn't need favourable officiating and I am not even sure that was the case. You see what you want to see, and I see what I see.
lindsman68 1 year ago
Yes you are not sure because you don't want to see.
unnamed00 1 year ago
@unnamed00 Your opinion only, not fact.
lindsman68 1 year ago
@unnamed00 As for Canadians playing dirty in your KHL, well, if they didn't have enough skill to play there they wouldn't be getting a contract. And when I google Russian hockey fights in the KHL I only see Russians fighting and the fans love it from what I could see. Maybe you should watch the 1987 WJC hockey final to see how dirty Russians can be when they play the spoiler.
lindsman68 1 year ago 4
Don't tell me that the fight in 87 was provoked by the Soviets...
And you probably can't tell if it is a Russian or a Canadian fighting in the KHL.
unnamed00 1 year ago
@unnamed00 Don't tell you? When the fight at the WJC in '87 happened CCCP was out of medal contention, Canada was on track to win the gold. The video high lights clearly show the Soviet coach encouraging his team over the boards for a bench clearing brawl. Why would Canada start a fight with so much to lose? It was clearly poor sportsmanship on the part of the Soviets. Only a homer like you with his blinders on could not see that.
lindsman68 1 year ago
So the Soviet coach started a brawl knowing that he will get fired for it, just so that Canada would not get a medal in a junior tournament?? There was a fight already on the ice and the Soviet coach was yelling that one of the players who had a dislocated shoulder needed help. Then some Soviet players unexpectedly left the bench to help, but the fight on the ice was started by Canadians as usual.
And Canada was not on track to win the gold, as it needed many more goals to have a chance.
unnamed00 1 year ago
@unnamed00 Yes, actually a gold was well within reach as Canada was handily beating the Soviet junior team. And the fight on the ice was not started by the Canadians. The fight began in earnest when Pavel Kostichkin levelled a two handed slash against Theoren Fleury (Punch-up in Piestany, Wikipedia) and the first player off the bench was Evgeny Davydov. When the Soviets began leaving the bench en masse the Canadians had to defend their mates. It is truly sickening how you skew facts.
lindsman68 1 year ago
And you get your facts from Wikipedia and then misrepresent what is written there... You missed the description of the game before the brawl or the fact that Canada was already involved in another brawl in the tournament. So you think that Fleury, given his history, did not play a key role in starting the brawl? Read what he did when he scored a goal.
Canada was leading 4-2, not nearly enough to win gold.
unnamed00 1 year ago
@unnamed00 There was another period yet to play and Canada was in control. So are you saying Fleury started the whole thing because he did some show boating? If they shared your deranged sense of logic in the NHL Ovechkin would be dead by now.
lindsman68 1 year ago
You can't even read the article you brought up?
Fleury taunting the Soviets shows what kind of a player he was and the things Canada was doing in the game. So saying that the Soviets started the dirty play and the fighting is silly.
unnamed00 1 year ago
@unnamed00 Did you read the article? It says "Off the opening faceoff, Sergei Shesterikov elbowed Canadian Dave McLlwain, who responded by cross-checking the Soviet player." So Russia started the game off with dirty play and Canada responded. Fleury is an agitator and always has been. So what? Disciplined teams don't respond and stay focussed on the task, the Soviet players did not. It sickens me how you pick and choose facts to support your lies, and then say how unbiased you are.
lindsman68 1 year ago 2
So it was only the Soviets who had a discipline problem? They were supposed to ignore the agitation and dirty play by Fleury and others. Considering that team Canada was already involved in a brawl in a previous game and the way Canadians traditionally play, it is hard to imagine that the Soviets started the dirty play...
unnamed00 1 year ago
@unnamed00 Well they did start off the play, playing dirty, that's what it says in Wikipedia. Or, as usual do you pick and choose facts to support your lies . . . ?
lindsman68 1 year ago 2
Wikipedia can be edited by anyone silly. In case of that article, it is probably edited mostly by Canadians so it has a Canadian bias.
unnamed00 1 year ago
@unnamed00 Oh yes, it is one big conspiracy . . . are you sure you are taking your meds to deal with your obvious paranoia?
lindsman68 1 year ago 2
You don't even know what Wikipedia really is...
It is you who is on something here. I always get the feeling that you are at least half drunk when posting here...
Stay on topic and be civil or I will have to block you.
unnamed00 1 year ago
@unnamed00 Huh, I must have hit a nerve with that one. I understand how Wikipedia works, my point was that you are fine with what is in Wikipedia as long as it supports what you are saying.
lindsman68 1 year ago
It was you who chose to mention only the parts of the article that support your claim, and I told you about the parts you "missed".
unnamed00 1 year ago
@unnamed00 I understand you have a habit of blocking those who do not agree with you.
lindsman68 1 year ago
I told you I only block those who obsessively flame and babble off topic.
Let's see here, you went from the 87 games to insults towards me and Russia, to skinheads, to nationalism, to Stalin, to your supposed history degree, to your sex tourism...
Enough of this; take a few weeks off from here.
unnamed00 1 year ago
@unnamed00 Btw, if I am banned from here the only message sent will be that you were incapable of debating fairly and took your puck and went home, as we would say in Canada.
lindsman68 1 year ago
You are not debating but senselessly flaming, being way off topic, and wasting my time.
unnamed00 1 year ago
@unnamed00 Interesting how you had no problems with what is said in Wikipedia when it supports your argument (Fleury taunting the Russians) but anything that goes against what you think, you say is false. Yet another example of you picking and choosing facts to support your lies. Common practice in propaganda.
lindsman68 1 year ago 2
I am not questioning facts, but how they are presented. A Soviet player may have elbowed in the beginning, but it does not mean he started first.
Again you don't know how Wikipedia works. An article usually has a bias in favor of someone or something, depending on who is editing it.
unnamed00 1 year ago
@unnamed00 And both sides have an opportunity to edit it. Maybe you should get on there and sort them out, then you could quote yourself and that would be perfect for you.
lindsman68 1 year ago
Well maybe it was you who went there to add some stuff to then quote yourself...
Yes anyone can edit, but since it is English Wikipedia it is mostly edited by Canadians or Americans.
Maybe I will go to that article to edit, like I did for other hockey related articles...
unnamed00 1 year ago
@unnamed00 You know, your continued assertions at my ignorrance of Russia are humourous. I have been to Moscow and St. Pete, I am of course familiar with a Russian last name vs a north american one. In some of the KHL fights there was a north american, but mostly Russian on Russian. One thing I noticed on my noticed in my travels is I have never seen a more self-centered, racist and ethnocentric nation than Russia. Try walking downtown Moscow and tell me how many black people you see.
lindsman68 1 year ago 2
I have been to Canada and there are much less black people there than in New York, so that obviously means Canadians are much more racist... (going by your logic)
Let me guess, in Russia you started saying that the country sucks in hockey and got slapped around?
Until recently the KHL had names written in Russian so I doubt you could have read those.
unnamed00 1 year ago
@unnamed00 I'm not sure what city you have been to Canada but if you were in Toronto you would have seen nearly as many black people as in New York. Comparitively, there were NO black people in downtown Moscow that I saw. Not one. Just a lot of your Uzbeki cousins cleaning the streets. So you know, I can read your country's alphabet so once again you have made a stupid assumption, which is not surprising it seems to be your habit.
lindsman68 1 year ago
For some reason I don't believe you when you say that you can read Russian...
And speaking of Uzbeks, I did not see one Uzbek when I was in Canada, so I conclude that Canada is a racist country...
unnamed00 1 year ago
@unnamed00 True Uzbeks are descended from Mongolia and we have plenty of Chinese here and even some Mongolians. So no, we are not racist. I myself grew up in a town that was mainly Ukrainian and was obliged to take it in school, so yes I can struggle through reading it. And while Russian is slightly different from Ukrainian, the Alphabet itself is virtually the same with a few minor differences. Or did you know that?
lindsman68 1 year ago
Uzbeks are Turkic people, not Mongolian...
Maybe you can read some Russian from the Ukrainian you learned in school, maybe you are lying. It does not really matter...
Did the Canadian Ukrainians also teach you to hate Russians?
unnamed00 1 year ago
@unnamed00 I don't hate Russians you goof. My fiance is Russian and my child will be born there, and will be there, until we are able to sort out her emmigration to Canada. What do you think I was doing there? Actually many Ukrainian Canadians cheered for the USSR in hockey. Bit of a sore point actually. Canada does owe them a great debt for helping to build our country though. Are you trying to tell me Uzbeks have no Asian DNA? Sure doesn't look like it.
lindsman68 1 year ago
What does Asian DNA have to do with this silly?
Ukrainian Canadians are often nationalists when it comes to Russia and the USSR (especially the families of former nazi collaborators who emigrated after WWII). Koharski was maybe one of those...
So you were going there as a sex tourist, just like I thought...
unnamed00 1 year ago
@unnamed00 Wow, now that's when I know I have won the argument. When my opponent resorts to shameless low blows because he cannot win with logic. Ukrainian Canadians are proud of their heritage, but they don't hate Russians, or Poles, or Austrians, or any other country that invaded them. They have taken the opportunity to prosper in Canada and they have done very well.We are lucky to have them. You don't what you are talking about in this regard.Koharski could be Polish for all you know.
lindsman68 1 year ago
Koharski is most likely Ukrainian.
You talking about logic in an argument? How odd... You have went off topic here a long time ago with your illogical and silly statements.
The Ukrainian Canadian Congress is very nationalist, so don't tell me that I am making it up.
unnamed00 1 year ago
@unnamed00 And you continue to to go even more off-line with you are comments. I have not met a Ukrainian who is a member of this congress. In the mother country, Eastern Ukraine's population is much different than Western Ukraine as is their political view and attitude towards Russia. You can't say all Ukrainians are anti-Russian. Although, the way they were treated by Stalin and the Tsars, who would blame them?
lindsman68 1 year ago
Again don't start discussing something you know little about...
Much of Western Ukraine was not even part of the USSR before the war...
And I did not say that many Canadian Ukrainians were members of the congress, just that the congress reflected their views.
unnamed00 1 year ago
@unnamed00 I'm not certain you know what you are saying.
lindsman68 1 year ago
Well you are not certain again? Probably you are lost as usual.
unnamed00 1 year ago
@unnamed00 And as for your comment that I was a sex tourist, well, somewhat humourous. In actuality I met a nice Russian girl and she wanted to show me her beautiful country and it is beautiful. Just a bit grumpy with people like you. Unfortunately she could not find a good Russian guy as her experience was that they are pre-occupied with pursuing as many mistresses as they can. Maybe that's your game, not mine.
lindsman68 1 year ago 2
How am I grumpy? That is you actually...
So you just randomly met a nice Russian girl... Well don't chase her away with your grumpiness.
unnamed00 1 year ago
@unnamed00 As I understand it I just have to be loyal and not be unfaithful to my fiance to keep her happy. Unfortunately she could not find a Russian man who did not engage in adultery, or I assure you she would not have looked elsewhere. I am not being grumpy, I am ardently defending against your false assumptions. Get it right.
lindsman68 1 year ago
Well again you are being grumpy....
unnamed00 1 year ago
@unnamed00 Or truthful.
lindsman68 1 year ago
Not quite truthful...
unnamed00 1 year ago
@unnamed00 I am curious, on what qualifications have you deemed yourself supremely knowledgable of hockey, Ukrainian-Canadians, the Ukrainian Canadian congress, eastern european history, sex tourists, my mood and sobriety, Canada . . . have I pretty much covered it? Do you even live in Uzbekistan anymore?
lindsman68 1 year ago
No I don't live in Uzbekistan anymore...
So you are implying that I need a university degree to make statements based on observations or historical sources?
unnamed00 1 year ago
@unnamed00 Furthermore, Stalin was on par with Hitler with respect to abuse of his people, so who would blame them with collaboration? In reality many Soviet citizens, including some Russians collaborated. It is the nature of survival during war time.
lindsman68 1 year ago
It is not a matter of survival if you volunteer to fight alongside the enemy or work for them, especially when you take part in war crimes (Ukrainian partisans, police, SS division). You need to learn history, and not from the Ukrainian nationalists...
unnamed00 1 year ago
@unnamed00 I'm not saying there are harps or halos and every Ukrainian and one of these war criminals your fer to was an ex-Ukrainian (Demanyuk) tried in my own country. I have a degree in history kid, and I didn't have a single Ukrainian professor. What's your educational background.
lindsman68 1 year ago
You may have a degree in history, just not hockey or Eastern European history...
unnamed00 1 year ago
@unnamed00 Actually I have taken many courses in University in Eastern European history including those specifically relating to Russia (Czar Nicholas II to present). How about you? As for hockey, I would be surprised if you knew how to skate. You are not equiped to be deciding whether officiating is good or bad.
lindsman68 1 year ago
So now one has to know how to skate to see if officiating is biased or not.
You may know more about Russia than an average North American, but based on what you have said so far it still does not seem to be much...
unnamed00 1 year ago
@unnamed00 Are you trying to say not a single Russian collaborated with the Nazis?
lindsman68 1 year ago
Russians collaborated also but not to the extend Western Ukrainians did.
unnamed00 1 year ago
@unnamed00 You wouldn't think they would, my point is Stalin was a tryrant and very hard on his people. If Hitler had not been worse of a Tyrant to east europeans they would have welcomed him as a liberator, as many initially did. As it turned out, most Ukrainians supported the partisan movement against Hitler.
lindsman68 1 year ago
Well at least you are not equating Stalin and Hitler...
Those non-Soviet Ukrainian partisans spent more time fighting the Soviet Army and Partisans than they did the Germans.
unnamed00 1 year ago
@unnamed00 As for my visit to Russia, Canadians in general are respectful of other countries when visiting and that is what I was in Russia. Pretty grumpy people in Moscow, St. Pete is much nicer. What did you do in Canada? Grumble that there was no quality ballet to watch?
lindsman68 1 year ago
While post-Soviet Moscow is not the friendliest of places, it would not surprise me that you were not so friendly... Also what does this have to do with hockey, I don't know.... You were trying to make a point with this?
unnamed00 1 year ago
@unnamed00 You said that I was probably running around Moscow shooting my mouth off and getting my face slapped by Russians. I was countering your rather foolish and immature point.
lindsman68 1 year ago
I was saying that if you were mistreated or whatever in Moscow, your behavior was probably not proper also.
unnamed00 1 year ago
@unnamed00 I never said I was mistreated, I said I found Moscow to be unfriendly, nobody smiled. Learn to read english please, or comprehend and understand it at least.
lindsman68 1 year ago 2
No you need to learn to read.
You called Russia the most "self-centered, racist and ethnocentric nation".
unnamed00 1 year ago
@unnamed00 Well they are. It's ok, americans are like that too, and a lot of British. You're in good company. I mean if producing skinheads was a sport you would win hands down. And Russians love the term "White Russian." You probably aren't even Uzbeki, just a white Russian living in Uzbekistan. That would explain a lot about you.
lindsman68 1 year ago 2
So now I am a skinhead?? You are continuing to make stupid assumptions about me and Russia.
And my grandfather was Uzbek, you idiot.
unnamed00 1 year ago
@unnamed00 When I say "you" I mean Russia is excellent at producing skinheads. I have no idea if you are or not. If you were it would not surprise me. So your Grandfather was Uzbeki and the rest of your DNA is white Russian. So I am mostly right. And once again, when you resort to name calling and cheap shots, you are already showing you have lost the argument.
lindsman68 1 year ago 2
The name calling and cheap shots are mostly coming from you.
You were implying that I am a skinhead or Russian nationalist.
I am not an ethnic Russian, even partially, so you don't know what you are talking about...
unnamed00 1 year ago
@unnamed00 Ok, so you are not ethnic Russian, your grandfather is Uzbeki, and you are an ardent supporter of Russian hockey. That's fine. Canada is a nation of immigrants so it's hard to keep track of our DNA. You never did mention your educational background though or if you have even played hockey.
lindsman68 1 year ago
Why does my educational background or ability to play hockey matter here? You are just going more and more off topic.
unnamed00 1 year ago
You brought up your trip to Russia out of nowhere. I guess only to flame the country and its fans?
unnamed00 1 year ago
@unnamed00 Actually it was to show you I am familiar and know something of your country. You were also insinuating I can't read Russian. It is a very common (sometimes accurate) stereotype that North Americans know nothing about other countries and you make sarcastic comments throughtout your specious argument. For what purpose only you know.
lindsman68 1 year ago
And you know close to nothing, mostly silly stereotypes.
unnamed00 1 year ago
@unnamed00 Sorry mate, that's you. I am far more informed about Russia, and hockey than you are about Canada.
lindsman68 1 year ago 2
Far more informed?? Again you have shown exactly the opposite.
unnamed00 1 year ago
@unnamed00 You can't just make a statement like that without backing it up with a fact. That continues to be your problem young man.
lindsman68 1 year ago
You are doing a good job backing up my statement...
unnamed00 1 year ago
@unnamed00 What statement is that? I have given some thought to your position on the officiating in this game and can only come to the conclusion that since you are fairly young (25) you have not noted the evolution of officiating in the game. A lot more is called now than what was called in 1987. I'm not sure you have the proper perspective as you probably haven't been watching hockey that long.
lindsman68 1 year ago
My statement is that you have not shown yourself to be informed.
Much of what Canada was getting away with was called back then. Of course the Soviets were often called for what was not being called then and for what is not even being called now...
unnamed00 1 year ago
Post-Soviet Russia is mostly a failure, but in best on best games vs. Canada the team is still 1W-2L (if including a cheap Canadian win in the 96 World Cup where the referee had to change some rules for a Russian goal not to count).
unnamed00 1 year ago
@unnamed00 I don't recall Canada meeting the US in the '96 world cup. and can find no evidence of it. Are you sure you are not referring to the US-USSR game?
lindsman68 1 year ago 5
What? I meant the Canada-Russia game in the 1996 World Cup.
unnamed00 1 year ago
Surprising that with all the complaints about officiating CCCP scored two powerplay goals in this game . . .
lindsman68 1 year ago
Koharski was not as bad in this game as he was in game 3.
unnamed00 1 year ago
@unnamed00 Do you have stats to support this claim or is it merely your rhetoric?
lindsman68 1 year ago
Well watch the game. It was relatively clean (except the bad cheapshot on Krutov); there were not as many bad calls or bad no calls. Koharski was more objective; for example, he did not allow a Canadian goal that was kicked in.
But still the Soviets had more penalties in this game, so they were just better using their power play chances...
unnamed00 1 year ago
@unnamed00 Yes, the Soviets were hockey gods, must be how the only best on best game they won against us was the 1981 Canada cup. Other than that when it comes to Canada's best vs Russia's best, Canada wins and Russia loses. There is a talent gap widening between the two countries and it's growing. Take away Malkin and Ovechkin what superstars are they playing in the NHL who are from Russia. Datsyuk? Not bad, getting older. Kovalchuk? More and more he looks like a victim
lindsman68 1 year ago 3
This has been flagged as spam show
best on best game = Canada has its best players and it does not matter if the other team does, game is played in Canada with NHL rules and rink size, and the referee is a "competent and honest" NHL professional (preferably Canadian).
You talk about Soviet/Russian fans, but Canadian fans like you live in their own world...
unnamed00 1 year ago
@unnamed00 I think you live in your own world as well to be fair.
lindsman68 1 year ago 2
Well everyone lives in their own world, but it is a matter of how much that world is away from reality...
unnamed00 1 year ago
@unnamed00 You have a lot of good advice. I wonder if you are more of a do as I say, not as I do type of fellow.
lindsman68 1 year ago 4
I don't know about you but I don't have a problem with hypocrisy.
unnamed00 1 year ago
@unnamed00 Finally, the most honest statement you have said. Honesty I can respect, not you presenting yourself as some objective inteligentsia, proponent of honor and justice in sport. You are an ardent Russian hockey fan who is a poor loser. It's ok, the Americans are the same way, we are used to you guys.
lindsman68 1 year ago 4
A poor loser constantly whines and makes accusations?
You see me doing that? Again, I back up what I say.
And I am also used to ignorant Canadian fans not looking at things objectively.
unnamed00 1 year ago
@unnamed00 I suggest you review some of what you have written. All you are doing is whining! Making accusations of poor officiating, dirty play. So what! Poor officiating is part of the game, none of this is an exact science, simply human beings doing a job. You are not looking at things objectively and I am not pretending to.
lindsman68 1 year ago
This is not about "human beings doing a job", but about clearly biased officials. Again, you can't say that I am whining because I am presenting proof.
unnamed00 1 year ago
@unnamed00 You only show the calls against the Russians. Without showing all the calls against the Canadians and balancing the two what you are showing is clearly video manipulation, it's not proof. Clearly you yearn for the days of communism where propaganda ruled all.
lindsman68 1 year ago
Propaganda ruled and still rules in Canada, since you seem to not be able to get past it yet.
You think that for every bad call or no call against the Soviets there is one against Canada? That is a wrong assertion, not even close. Watch the game again.
unnamed00 1 year ago
@unnamed00 of great expectations. If Russian hockey is not careful, Sochi will be a very embarasing experience for the Russian national team.
lindsman68 1 year ago
What does the state of current Russian hockey have to do with the topic?
unnamed00 1 year ago
@unnamed00 You commented on how the Russians on this team were so skilled on the pp. I expanded it, hope you don't mind, droog.
lindsman68 1 year ago
I did not say that they "were so skilled" on the powerplay, just that they did well converting on their fewer chances.
unnamed00 1 year ago
@unnamed00 The implication is there.
lindsman68 1 year ago
They are fucking boooing when CCCP scores.. The crowd in Canada is the worst fucking losers on earth.
azynkron 1 year ago
@azynkron Oh and Russian fans are all class, whatever.
lindsman68 1 year ago
Look who is talking...
unnamed00 1 year ago
@unnamed00 Exactly, no fan is unbiased and neither are you.
lindsman68 1 year ago
Yes, but I am not as biased as some of you say...
unnamed00 1 year ago
@unnamed00 I would say you know your stuff, but you're as biased as I am.
lindsman68 1 year ago
No I am not as biased as you, simply because I know hockey both from the North American perspective and the Soviet/Russian one.
unnamed00 1 year ago
@unnamed00 Once again, only your opinion, and opinions are not facts.
lindsman68 1 year ago
Well yes opinions are not facts, but some are based on facts...
unnamed00 1 year ago
@unnamed00 Your opinions are based on what you consider to be facts which is a shamelessly specious argument.
lindsman68 1 year ago 2
And what facts do I have wrong? That Canada had home ice, home rules, home officials, that its players hooked, held, crosschecked... ?
unnamed00 1 year ago
The red car to stop to nobody
OLEGfmRUS 1 year ago
Canada cheated in the 1987 game against USSR. I've seen the replays a USSR player was tripped twice and no penalty was called. I know the referees did not see it, I'm not arguing that. But Canada did cheat, because you are not allowed to trip someone. It really baffles me when people say Canada fairly.
thefutureboom 2 years ago
amongst the all time great games.
DavidEmailman 3 years ago
yes it was that same team... that's why that game called miracle on ice... it was a miracle... Soviet team beat Canadians not only in 1981, but also in 1973-74,76 and more... so cheers to you, canuk!
zheka1780 4 years ago
CCCP lost with Canada in CC76 1:3. Only Czechoslovakia beat Canada 1:0 in CC76 in round robin,later lost finals 0:6,4:5 with Canada.
AMOLADOS 4 years ago
He means the Super Series of 76 (CSKA, Soviet Wings vs NHL).
unnamed00 4 years ago
73-74 was a WHA team not NHLers...Hardly Team Canada guy...and Canada won in 76...Bobby Orr was MVP...on one leg...That leaves one win against Canada's best...Hardly the best team ever woudn't you have to agree? You just keep worshiping at the alter of 2nd best if it pleases you though...Cheers!
chichigord 4 years ago
as I said to you before, your beloved NHLers were smashed in 1979... so again, cheers to you!
zheka1780 4 years ago
The 74 team was still very good.
Canada Cup 76 did not have the best Soviet team, how many times do we have to go over this?
unnamed00 4 years ago
I'm not disputing whether the Soviets had their best or not in 76...I have no idea who their best are only that CCCP is written across their jerseys...I was merely refuting the contention that the Soviets won in 76...As for the Super Series, that's not Team Canada either, but the NHL's best that year was the Philadelphia Flyers and they beat the Red Army (the Soviets best) handily...I think we've gone over this ad nauseum...
chichigord 4 years ago
Well the Super Series did not have the Soviet national team either, just two Soviet club teams.
We went over this but you still don't get it.
The Flyers were not the best that year (lost 4-0 in the final series to Montreal). And again, if you want to be proud of the way they won over CSKA, be so ignorant then.
unnamed00 4 years ago
Ok, so they (the Flyers) won in 74 and 75...they were reigning cup champs...and the Red Army only managed a tie against Montreal thanks to the acrobatics of Tretiak...Montreal dominated in every aspect of the game and were clearly the better hockey club...I'll certainly concede that Tretiak was the best goaltender...I may be patriotic but I'm not stupid. As for Philly, they beat the Red Army with tough, hard Canadian hockey and quite soundly at that... of which I'm quite proud...Thanks
chichigord 4 years ago
Yes I know that you are very proud of players cheapshotting and attempting to injure. We already went through this.
As for Montreal, they played better on their home ice and it was only one game. In the end, they did not play better enough to win.
unnamed00 4 years ago
How proud are you of Red Army "soldiers" quitting because they felt a hockey game was too rough?
chichigord 4 years ago
They came to play real hockey, not crap animal hockey that most hate.
Why is the NHL banning that Flyers type hockey of which you are so proud of?
unnamed00 4 years ago
They came for money...and they compromised their ideals and integrity when they came back out onto the ice because they were told they wouldn't get paid...Not only were they pussies they whored away their principals for a few American dollars...That, my friend is the hockey club that you're proud of...
chichigord 4 years ago
What the hell are you talking about?
Who said they came back out only because they were not going to get paid?
unnamed00 4 years ago
Ed Snider...the guy who paid them
chichigord 4 years ago
This is just another myth among the Canadians.
unnamed00 4 years ago
The point being the NHL is trying to cut down on hooking and interference...I'll give you three guesses as to which team led the NHL in fighting majors last season...That's right...The Anaheim Ducks (a team that plays a punishing, physical style of hockey much like Philly did in the 70's). Watch and see how many teams try to emulate them, then tell me again about your theory about the NHL banning such hockey...
chichigord 4 years ago
If they played like the Flyers of the 70s, many of their players would be sitting in the box most of the time or in the stands due to suspensions.
unnamed00 4 years ago
You weren't even born then so how would you know, guy? They won two consecutive cups and no one on the Bruins or Sabres (the teams they beat in the finals) said one word about them being dirty or "bullies" In fact Orr the best player ever said they were a great team...You're just a punk with two minute clips and second hand information...You probably haven't played a shift of hockey in you life...Quit wasting my time...You obviously know less about hockey than I thought.
chichigord 4 years ago
With your dumb comments you have not shown that you know more than me. I don't base what I said on just clips. I watched that game against CSKA and read enough on the Flyers. The general view is that the way they played is not respected. Don't tell me that hockey fans were not happy when they got swept by Montreal.
unnamed00 4 years ago
Yawn...
chichigord 4 years ago
Hey guy, how's it goin'? Have you noticed that fighting is up 50% in the NHL this season? Who could have predicted such a thing?
chichigord 4 years ago
So?
unnamed00 4 years ago
The NHL is banning the hooking and interference that became prevalent in the league since the Europeans came in...
chichigord 4 years ago
So it is the Europeans who brought it? Nice silly theory. You have to say at least something really dumb once a week.
unnamed00 4 years ago
@zheka1780 Spahseeba comrade :)
lindsman68 1 year ago
@lindsman68 Spasibo for what dude? :)
zheka1780 1 year ago
Both teams were awesome, what a final. unnamed00, you should really get over this 20 year hang up you have
mistrbrwn 4 years ago
If you people look at the records you'll find out that the Soviet Ice Hockey Team was the best of the best!!!!
zheka1780 4 years ago
Yeah, go ahead and look at meaningless records like the Olympics pre-Nagano when the Soviets beat up on second rate amateurs or the so called "World Championships" that are held the same time as the NHL playoffs...Sorry, but a tournament without all the best players in the world is not a world championship...
chichigord 4 years ago