Tony Abbott and Joe Hockey - Question Time - Carbon Tax

[JackyB92]

Best politician in the Anglosphere

- from an Englishman

[Maleincornwall]

so TRUE! australia you MUST get rid of julia gillard

[myfeeling4you]

It doesn't matter who's in government, they get paid too much for doing such a shit job, this country has gone backwards due to incompetant leadership with no vision for the future of this country.

We need a new political party based on comunitee values without favor or corruption, one that represents the population as a whole not individual groups with their own political agenda and a generous retirement scheme paid for by hard working Australians.

[mickjenks88]

cant wait to see this government smashed in 2013

[Mischelle999]

When are these hollow no policy Liberal weasels going to admit they are only working for the big mining and oil companies? They make me sick with their constant repetitive sound bites..it's all they have..empty shallow rhetoric..No brains, no idea, no policy. Abbott & co are puppet clowns working for the billionaires club. Weasel man only thinks of one thing..HIMSELF & the asshole mining moguls who want him as PM so they can continue to pollute the planet! F#ck off tony Abbott

[HSimon1981]

As soon as Abbott moves the motion to suspend standing and sessional orders, the Labor Party all leave. This is original.

This Prime Minister promised us before the election and I quote:

"THERE WILL BE NO CARBON TAX UNDER THE GOVERMENT I LEAD".

[Maleincornwall]

amazing

[ihaveairlockers]

keating and howard destroyed manufacturing in Australia.

They are both to blame. And the same with agriculture. A farmer commits suicide every 4 days in Australia.

Australia is a mess.

[messiahandrw]

@ihaveairlockers The only reference I can find to "A farmer commits suicide every 4 days" is due to the drought back in 2006/2007 and there are no credible census or academic references for this figure.

[ihaveairlockers]

@messiahandrw

RiRDC report 2008

Mental health of farmers and farm workers.The statistics are collated very clearly for you to see.

They are drawn directly from ABS and ABARE figures.

Please search for and find RIRDC and follow the links to the report. You can see all the stats, including method and age etc. The graphs of rural suicide are freely available and are easy to find in this report.

Rural Industry Research and Development Corporation. It's a government site. It's all there :o)

[jw2336]

Nobody likes to be treated like a fool. That's why I can no longer listen to Julia Gillard because I find her mantra offensive to me and my country. call an election!!!!

[Adonnus100]

@jw2336 abbott's stupidity is probably more offensive

[AinataKula]

@jw2336 Mantra: "A sacred verbal formula repeated in prayer, meditation, or incantation, such as an invocation of a god, a magic spell, or a syllable or portion of scripture containing mystical potentialities." I find the fact that she even posesses one of these very offensive indeed! Why don't we all get to own one? The privileged bitch!

[TheCapricornStrand]

I think to trully win the next election clearly ...the Liberal Party will just need to clarify if they are going to BRING BACK WORKCHOICES. That is the only sticking point with alot of ex Labour voters that will jump ship and vote Liberal given the poor waste management of Julia Gillard and her over taxing cronnies. The public is screaming out for a chance to pave way for a new leader because Labour has lost direction totally. Did they ever have a compass ?. Bring on an election ....PLEASE !!!

[2wheels88]

The LSE is the global operation “nerve center” and think-tank of the Fabian Society, which since it was formed has directly controlled the policies of the British, Australian and New Zealand Labour parties, and indirectly just about every major socialist government in the world. Fabians were also responsible for introducing Communism to Russia and China. Many of Prince Charles’ socialist, environmental “green” policies introduced at a government level have come directly through the LSE.

[maskedtruth]

Oh my god. Is that the environment our government has to work in every day? How on earth can they handle all the childish screaming? I'm generally a mild fellow, but I had this huge urge to smack Abbott and Hockey when watching this video.

[a10willy]

@wesleytarbuck I would like to ask you one question...

What do you think is more likely... That for the last 40 years, well over a thousand scientists have been piecing together and enormous conspiracy to trick the world into seeking an alternative form of energy... or... That very wealthy and powerful people, (who own and run companies in carbon emission intensive industries), are trying to protect their wealth and power, (by "sowing the seeds of doubt")?

[a10willy]

@wesleytarbuck, Virtually our entire modern world has come from science. I don't understand why you would deny science any respect and want to rely on hearsay and rock scratches to form your opinions. For every piece of "evidence" that sceptics produce there are piles of peer reviewed scientific evidence that counters it.

[a10willy]

@wesleytarbuck, yes the Egyptians did accomplish a lot using what we would today consider primitive technology. But they didn't even know how to make an arch let alone send man to the moon, measure the weight of stars and planets and calculate the age of the universe.

If you needed urgent medical attention would you rather go to modern hospital or get the same treatment people got hundreds of years ago? Or would you rather sail the oceans in a Viking ship or a modern cruise liner.

[a10willy]

@wesleytarbuck, please read this article, its about something you mentioned. I think you will find it good food for thought. It's in Sydney's SMH, "When science is undone by fiction" by: Jo Chandler, June 29, 2011.

You will have to search for it in Google as I can't include a link in this comment.

[a10willy]

@wesleytarbuck, You say you work outside and think it's cooling not warming? My perception is the opposite of yours. I am often outside at the coldest part of the morning and I have not seen frost on the ground once this winter. it used to be common but I don't see frost very often any more, (in Melbourne). But you perceptions and mine are not the best gauge, what really matters is cold hard scientific data and that only says one thing... Global average temperatures are rising.

[a10willy]

@wesleytarbuck, Sea levels have risen but not dramatically yet because much of the ice loss so far is sea ice (already in the ocean), or glacial ice which is small compared to the vastness of the ocean. But if ice loss continues and major ice fields on Antarctica and Greenland begin to melt and slide into the sea then we will see a much more dramatic effect on sea levels.

[a10willy]

@wesleytarbuck, do you consider that corporations are obligated to protect and increase profits wherever they can. They do not exist to look after the planet, they do not exist to look after society and they do not exist to look after your future and mine. They exist first and foremost to make money and to provide shareholders a return on investment, that is their obligation. Corporate exec's are paid bonuses based on profit and this is based largely on short term results.

[a10willy]

@wesleytarbuck, do you really believe scratches in a rock made by convicts 200 years ago is the most accurate data on sea levels we have? And since you mentioned propaganda, have you considered the possibility the biggest polluters who also happen to be many of the worlds richest and most powerful corporations, organizations and individuals might be feeding you propaganda to protect their own interests? What make you think they are more trustworthy than scientists?

[wesleytarbuck]

@a10willy yes i believe its a fair indication, as it was 200 years ago. The british navy has been measuring ocean temperatures for 100's of years, and their information shows sea level temperatures are falling, not rising. The ancient egyptians used to work out precise angles, and distances with rope and sticks 1000's of years ago, so absolutely marks from early settlers are a good indication. The propaganda, until recently has been "pro-warming" now its all starting to be a joke.

[markvansomething]

Ironically, all 4 organizations advising Abbott on his "Direct Climate Action" SUPPORT Gillards price on carbon.

The Clean Energy Council

"supports the introduction of an efficient and effective carbon price"

Green Buildings Council

"bring together businesses to demonstrate their support for the introduction of a carbon price in Australia."

Energy Efficiency Council

"The Carbon Price strikes the right balance."

Property Council

"The Council supports a carbon pricing mechanism."

[markvansomething]

This pollution fee money will come from the 500 biggest polluters, not the public.

Abbott, however, wants to fight global warming by spending $10.5 of your tax dollars. His plan is crazy considering he does not even care about atmospheric pollution, yet he wants to spend your money on it rather than charge the big polluters. Abbott wants to micro manage green projects rather than use market forces. Abbott can not find a single economist to publicly support his plan over Gillards. Not one!

[melbkid08]

I seriously cant understand why people cant see the economics in this. I mean for example when electricity prices go up households will be compensated and as a result of dearer electricity production the cost of producing goods and services will rise but household would be compensated....thats all fine, but how about exporters? people in other nations will be paying a higher price for our goods and services negatively affecting our global competitiveness

[markvansomething]

We are getting an ETS, like she promised. Get over it idiots. I voted for action towards a clean economy. Thank you Gillard for delivering what I voted for.

[theblackash]

I love people who have the guts to act and try and make our country stronger. But what i hate is loud mouth catholic priests that are complete assholes. and bullies no wonder she turned away while the idiot is talking. he makes the hair on the back of my neck raise let alone poor julias

[runcidog]

Abbott. For PM.. You have to be kidding.. This will mean he won't be able to sit back and wait for decisions to be made for him just so he can say no. He will have to make his own policies and be proactive rather than reactive.. I hope to god that this never actually happens.. At least Turnbull has convictions that he stands by..

[yeahproductions]

Funny, Abbott said 'man made climate change is crap",but said earlier this year ,man is contributing climate change. He wanted an ETS, then didn't. Thought a carbon tax was a good way to put a price on carbon(Sky News 2009) .Says Carbon isn't too bad , but has a very costly Direction Action plan to tackle it. Said in his book Battlelines "over my died body" regarding Parental Paid Leave, but now wants to introduce one with a tax on business to pay for it. . One has to ask WHO IS THE REAL TONY?

[JDHydraFlexx]

Further to my last: heliosrayne MUST BE a Greens or Labour supporter with an IQ and worldview like that hahahahaha

[JDHydraFlexx]

thoroughly exhausted - and make you look like a complete and utter asinine-tongued dullard in the process.

[JDHydraFlexx]

@heliosrayne

And how does much of that "compnesation" get dished out you imbecile?

Tell ya what, when you're old enough to get a driver's licence and bludge off the dole, then you'll understand adult issues like the carbon tax.

So, why don't you give mummy's computer a rest for a while, and go outside and play while the grown-ups have grown-up talk yeah?

Or if want to keep arguing with someone much smarter than you, i'll keep this little tiff going for as long as it takes for you to get thor

[heliosrayne]

@JDHydraFlexx how much? how about 6 million of the most struggling Australians get overcompensated? The rest of your argument is nothing but personal insults and misguided drivel. I'm 24 you idiot. Furthermore, bragging about how 'smart' you are is not only arrogant, but even worse when you've just been proved wrong. I must say, you do enjoy humiliating yourself don't you?

[JDHydraFlexx]

@heliosrayne LEARN TO UNDERSTAND ENGLISH you imbecilic self-confessed wanne-be 24 year old. “How does MUCH OF THAT” money get paid means – for a simpleton like you – How does that money get paid? “Compnesation” - as you so intelligently put – gets paid by: You Guessed It! Gold Star, Son! Centrelink!! So this “compnesation” is nothing more than converting hard working Australians into pathetic, useless-to-society, dumb, scumbag, parasitic moron dole bludgers like you. Check-AND- MATE

[heliosrayne]

@JDHydraFlexx no checkmate fool. I'm beginning to ponder the possibility you're just a troll, no one is possibly as stupid as you are showing yourself to be. So everyone with compensation is a dole bludger? A ridiculous genralisation only made by the most right wing and idiotic of people. So you would prefer not to be compensated for the tax? Well then why making such a fuss!

[JDHydraFlexx]

@heliosrayne So you're poor AND a poor loser too. Only the most ignorant lefty fools with an incredible dearth of IQ would hang on to your ridiculous ideology that lining up at Centrelink for – as you put it - “compnesation” in any manner “compnesates” for a lost job or business. Stupid people like you are whats wrong with this country: a minority of people with a sense of entitlement to others earnings, and enough political influence to be annoying.

[JDHydraFlexx]

@heliosrayne Like somehow you deserve to be a parasite and live off the hard work of others. Well I'll tell you something mate: the Australian people aren't so stupid as to accept you're crap that they shouldn't work hard to get ahead and become better everyday. The Australian people aren't so stupid that they would let this country be run a bunch of ignorant communist idealists like you.

[JDHydraFlexx]

@heliosrayne In conclusion: the tide is changing buddy – and YOU are on the losing side. Only hard work and making something of yourself means something in Australia – not bludging off the dole for the rest of their life like YOU are. You and people like you are complete failures in everything you do. You have no work ethic, you have nothing to contribute to this country, and the only way you can live is by leeching from the hard work of others.

[JDHydraFlexx]

@heliosrayne YOU heliosrayne, are a failure as an Australian, a failure as a worker, a failure as a citizen and a failure at debating for your ignorant ideas intelligently. Maybe that's because your ignorant ideology is so flawed :-) Get a REAL job... Something OTHER than working for the Greens, Labour or Getup!

[heliosrayne]

@JDHydraFlexx failure as an Australian? Because I care for the future? I think as you're the selfish individual who doesn't care for the future and is intolerant of other views, you're the unAustralian. I'm a uni student studying medicine at UNSW, not only that I'm part of the student council at said University. I don't work for any of those organisations, hell most of the time I don't even vote for them. I see you've descended into petty insults rather than debate. Pathetic really.

[JDHydraFlexx]

@heliosrayne Well... THAT says it all. YOU ARE a failure. You are a failure at understanding the real facts that matter to the average Australian. You are so far removed from reality that can't see what life is like for the everyday man or woman. You sit there typing away collecting your Centrelink “Compnesation” - as you so unintelligently put for supposed medical student - while leeching from your parents thinking that ”Compnesation” from Centrelink will replace a lost job or business.

[JDHydraFlexx]

@heliosrayne YOU are a minority in this country. And the fact that you are on the student council of UNSW says less about the worth of you as an individual and more about the state of minority student activism in this country. Your main concern is protecting the handouts you and worthless lazy individuals like you stand to get from the governments redistribution of wealth from hard working Australians. So, the fruits of hard work and innovation will get redistributed to people like you. Bravo.

[heliosrayne]

@JDHydraFlexx minority? i guess you're implying Abbott supporters are in the majority? is that wy he's not prime minister? is that why the Liberal Party is not in government?

[JDHydraFlexx]

@heliosrayne It's no wonder you support the Carbon Tax, MRRT and useless politicians like Labor and the Greens: You stand to profit the most from it! While the rest of Australia - ordinary hard working people who DON'T line up at Centrelink like you - are going to suffer. So heliosrayne: how does lining up at Centrelink "compnesate" for a lost job or business?

[heliosrayne]

@JDHydraFlexx lol i don't go to centrelink, nor do i always vote for labor, and i've never voted for the greens. I vote for whoever has the best policies, not what populism dictates. I follow my own principles rather than that of shock jocks (the latter of whom you must worship judging from your comments). Lost jobs? The carbon tax will mean more investment in green energy which equates to MORE jobs. The coal industry is not negatively affected, what about Peabody? Myth debunked.

[heliosrayne]

@JDHydraFlexx the fact that your entire argument is based on my misspelling of 'compensation' on Youtube is testament to how desperate and pathetic your argument really is.

[tzweck]

lol Labour is down to 27% AS I write this, they are going down!

[hotcakes4ever]

what a man abbott is

[HeLeX63]

Tony is such an intellect a smart guy with hot daughters. What an awesome GUY! GO TONY!

[solty48]

Tony will put this country back on its feet if he has the chance to.

[cunnamullafalla]

Wayne Swan is like failed businessman Alan Bond ? That’s what Hockey said in a press statement, Well Hockey you idiot, Australia compares you to retard who can't count or add numbers to save his life let alone the economy! You have been caught out time and time again as a stupid head with no basic mathematical ability at all. a 10year old can do their sums better than you. It will be a COLD DAY IN HELL when you'll see Government. YOU are a retard! read my lips you waste of space, RETARD HOCKEY!

[heliosrayne]

lol can't believe the libs and their supporters are still this butthurt after losing the election. get over it, and actually do something progressive for the country instead of just saying 'No' for whining and whingings sake.

[HeLeX63]

@heliosrayne Its called being an Opposition you retard. GO LIBERALS fuck the Communist LABOR!

[HospitallarKnight]

@HeLeX63 They are more socialist than communist...

[heliosrayne]

@HeLeX63 You have just demonstrated the average intelligence of the Abbott fanatic. Well done on humiliating yourself.

[HeLeX63]

@heliosrayne He is so intelligent. I don't see Julia ever receiving a scholarship HAHA!

[MRMILO57]

Gillard is a liar, she has proven this even more today, she cannot be trusted.

This carbon tax is based on lie!

Swan was as nerves as hell, Brown and Milhn were not happy at all, something bigger has happened, someone has reneged on an agreement, the green queens were very upset.

I CAN SEE A LABOR SPILL COMING!

[elec1app]

Abbot is a brilliant orator. 

[melbose]

Who voted this lying government into power not me. Who voted this Enviromental Nazis in not me, Who voted this 2 idiotic independents in not me. Who has to pay this tax w do, Who will struggel to make end's meet we will, Who will not be able to buy milk or food we will.

Who will we blame when this nation turns to the shit Julia Guillard and Bob Brown Ditch the Bitch and the hippie

[heliosrayne]

@melbose You're an idiot. cost of living will go up by a mere 0.7%, not that much despite what your ridiculous hyperbole says. The 6 million Aussies truly struggling are being overcompensated, the only people even paying the full $515 are those earning more than enough to pay for this amount. These 'environmental Nazis' are concerned about the future whilst you're selfishly concerned about a $515 a year you can pay easily. $200 groceries equates to a cost of less than a $1 from the carbon tax.

[CPGagie]

@heliosrayne 5% of $200 is $10. Which is extremely conservative, as it will compound as time moves on.

"the only people even paying the full $515 are those earning more than enough to pay for this amount". Yeah, its OK, everyone else can pay for you.

[heliosrayne]

@CPGagie Lol no. Its not '5%' of $200. Where are you getting these statistics from? Abbott himself? The SMH used the actual data from the carbon tax announcement to calculate that only $1 from the carbon tax will be added to $200 of groceries. Also, its alright for people earning $80000+ to pay the $515, its barely a drop in the ocean of their wealth. If they can't afford to pay this measly amount for the sake of environmental protection for future generations, its incredibly selfish.

[CPGagie]

@heliosrayne Saying as you replied to THIS video, and the figure mentioned was 5% on grocery prices, Your conclusion was "so what, its only a buck on $200. Also, "Its barley a drop in the ocean". How do you know what peoples outgoings are? Are you a communist? Like I say, dont worry, those that have more than you can pay for you eh? If its "only a drop in the ocean", then surely you can afford a couple of drops. No? If I ever pass through cuckoo land, maybe we could meet up and talk about it.

[heliosrayne]

@CPGagie You're also an idiot. This video is from May, the carbon tax's full detials were only announced earlier this week. The details have changed, but as evidenced from your support of the moronic caveman Abbott, you are stuck in the past. The 6 million Australians who are genuinely struggling are overcompensated, those who are more than capable of paying will pay $515 at most, although most will be paying less.

[JDHydraFlexx]

@heliosrayne Centrelink payments don't compensate for a lost job you fool

[heliosrayne]

@JDHydraFlexx they're not centrelink payments you idiot, they're compnesation from the carbon tax.

[EL20078]

Abbott is a machine, if we had him as PM we would be lucky. He is energetic, charismatic, and he has an excellent team.

[sumrandomguy3]

Gillard got owned

[bigswano]

hahahaha

Tony Abbott's career will be dead soon. Mark my words. People may have voted for him in droves at the last election, but he killed his career in the last few months, turning the opposition into a wrecking ball. nobody will vote for him now, and after the carbon tax goes through (which it will btw) he'll have no power in the Liberal party anymore. They'll be dumping him within a year I predict.

[IdunCareLesSn00b]

Everything he is saying is true what do people not get?

[Intencity69]

/watch?v=-rHURTDNBaI

its time to get the Labor Nazi party out for good

[elevander]

Hockey is a good public speaker :o

[Wallabytrack]

Howard ruled out a GST too eh' short memories! Pathetic!Hockey...I think you are the confused one,you are so full off shit,go sell a used car you fat creep!

[vidmanx0]

@Wallabytrack John Howard announced *before* the election that he had changed his mind about GST.  BIG difference.

[Wallabytrack]

@vidmanx0 Yeah Right! LOL!

[vidmanx0]

@Wallabytrack So you're claiming that John Howard *didn't* announce that he would implement a GST if elected? You can't "LOL" away the truth. (BTW I was against the GST)

[Wallabytrack]

@vidmanx0 Yes,I Just HATE to admit it,No tricking you eh'.Really I am sick of the lot of them.Things might have been better if Turnbull had won the top Job instead of the TBOT,I would have voted Liberal.

Rudd should not have been shafted,a labor, and Julia's big mistake for accepting the job,she should have waited.

For me those famous words of Clarke Gable sum it all up for me...Frankly my dear I don't give a damn!

Good Luck to you!

[vidmanx0]

@Wallabytrack Turnbull? The former "Goldman Sachs" multi, multi millionaire that just magically supports the carbon tax fraud?

Abbott is a deceptive clown but at least he doesn't fully buy into the pointless carbon dioxide nonsense.

Hockey for PM (unless they can find someone better.)

[Wallabytrack]

@vidmanx0 OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOh! NO Way! Joe Hockey is a Slick,After 30 years in Hospitality I can pick a slick.He is not up to the job,and Howard will not want a bar of him in the top job,Joe is not capable,I will have to go with the latter,please,please I hope you are not serious! I think you are trying to get me angry.

Tuning in to the ABC now,for a monday night watch,I will try and answer comments ta' morra' .

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[genxor]

youtube should delete this.

[Silverblood9]

Looks like Tony is on a killstreak...

[CivilianCheesy]

@Silverblood9 Tactical Nuke inbound

[Amunication]

Tony Abbott is a dangerous and septic joke he must be belittled out of existence for the sake of the nation he must NEVER become Prime Minister.

[sydRod00]

Tony Abbot reminds me of a primary school/junior high school debater...completely with tawdry, meaningless, sound byte orientated caselines that are recited without due consideration towards the importance of informing the public with sound, objective, policy infused debate over climate change. He has no respect towards the Australian electorate - he must honestly believe that voters are stupid! don't vote for him - he has no respect for the Australian people!

[theblackash]

@dmilliken231080 You wouldnt trust tony abbott with a jam jar full of 5 cent pieces

[theblackash]

tony abbott is crazy. listen to the bullshit that comes out if its mouth.

[edwardabundant]

Go Tony! Take charge of this country and hold the lying Government Accountable! Stop them from punishing the poor and putting the rights of Hollywood Actors above the Australian Middle Class!

[ellicattube]

Will the proposed compensation take into account the extra interest on borrowings and extra stamp duties required due to the increased cost for housing and motor vehicles ?.....or are the people acquiring such things considered too wealthy ?

[450hp202turbo]

i am watch this on tv now live and she stands up talks a load of crap .will not anwser

any questions , then when abbot stands up to talk . she walks out ./ twice now ,,

they dont want to listen to anyone ,,

[450hp202turbo]

why will they not let us vote on carbon tax? why .we got to vote for GST tax

WHY IS GILLARD SUCH A FUCK BITCH dictator . fuck her off Australia + she said there will be know carbon tax , she is a power hunggry bitch

[JONOVID]

the so called prophets of the climate institute predict Doomsday !.

are they hopeing to Control the Weather. or play God.

are they saying we can stop Volcanos or carbon Co2 is evil !

we are all made up of carbon. its part of the foundation of Life. So...

its a Conspiracy if we got a TAX based on things that do

not exist or on technology not yet in existence. its Not MY Religion.

the egg head's keep changeing there story.

as most storys have two sides.

why IS the ALP ADDING more TAX.

[3aw77]

Tony jumps up and down about a carbon tax , But his not jumping up and down about the war tax this is still going on in Australia, War = Tax tony come on bring our troops home

[wellwellwellall]

/watch?v=i7D60CoQUws

Is this what we AUstralia is heading for? SHame Shame SHame. LONG LIVE DEMOCRACY

[wellwellwellall]

get them out. save democracy and true free trade. get rid of the fabians on all sides. get rid of the neo cons, bring back ethical corporate citizens. save our troops. stop black ops. save free speech. save the monarchy, no to a republic. be a true environmentaist. Bring truth back to parliament. SAY NO TO EUGENICISTS, brijg back true science, screw the idea of a dictatorship style police state, stop monopolies, especially banks. the reserve bank needs to pay taxes like the rest of us.

[AngusT07171]

In a way she kept her word,

As it's really Bob brown whose leading this government, not her.

But seriously this is why you don't vote for the greens.

[wesleytarbuck]

@AngusT07171 can we just shoot the greens, line them up? quick fix?

[wellwellwellall]

@wesleytarbuck and you would be a fuck wit to do that. Its call democracy with reason. SEND THEM TO TRIAL

[wesleytarbuck]

@wellwellwellall if you knew anything about democracy / democrazy, you would realise that we (in australia) contrary to popular belief, do not live in a democeracy. Our democeracy is a farce. And if you ran a business, you'd probably think of australia more like a communist country, rather than a caplitolist democeracy.

Our two party system, gives us all the impression of a democeracy, but behind closed doors, these people end up doing whatever the hell they like anyways.

divide/conquer

[wellwellwellall]

@wesleytarbuck I know whats going on. I know it has been systematically dismantled since 1913. If you ran a business then you would understand the essence of building a business fairly. In true competition. This facade is just that, a facade. Those who preach no light is within (democracy and liberty) will suffer.when man merges with machine. It will cause the destruction of DNA. No two tiered society will escape. The Facscists are out in force. German Foreign MInister was at parliament today

[450hp202turbo]

@wellwellwellall i think is a joke that they can stack votes , its bordering on corruption deals with partys they have would of had no say .

[theblackash]

@wesleytarbuck I actually like the greens at the moment. its the only thing that is saving the country from a loud mouth moron . Please dont listen to this bullshit. i cant stand the four ugly sisters. toni abbott julie bishop joe hockey and that moron thats sitting behid toni there christopher pine isnt that his name. ugly ugly people.

[wesleytarbuck]

@theblackash you vote for the party not the leader. Nobody in their right mind would vote for a carbon tax, or anything even green related at the moment with the way the economy is. Global warming has been one of the biggest scams of this century just to raise taxes and make things harder for business. I have no problem with things that are green, but they must be cost effective and practical, and 95% of the stuff they come up with just isnt. We need a free market economy for business.

[jordtube]

@wesleytarbuck how would u know if global warming was real or not? ur not a scientist, its not ur job to tell us whether or not humans are impacting the environment. how would you like it if you had scientists telling you how to do your job!

[wesleytarbuck]

@jordtube well i live in australia, where the markings on the rocks in tasmania from the convicts 200 years ago show the water is at exactly the same level. The wallami pine tree (also australian) has been through dozens of ice ages which they can tell from examining the tree, all dating back to long before man came to be. And also I work outside every day as a tradesman, and in my own personal experience things are COOLING not warming. That and along with all the scientists who dont agree

[jordtube]

@wesleytarbuck Climate science isn't about your opinion on whether you believe that the earth is cooling, climate science is about the facts and evidence, and the evidence shows that sea levels are rising and global temperatures are increasing. If you don't believe that sea levels are rising, what do you have to say about islands in the pacific being swamped by the sea, and forcing villages to relocate. Or entire ice shelves in the polar regions disappearing???

[wesleytarbuck]

@jordtube yeah but there are no facts or evidence, that guy that came out with it 'cooked the books' And sea levels CANT BE RISING i live on the BEACH. the rocks where the convicts marked the water levels 200 years ago, are at the exact same level. Its propaganda to make idiots like you feel warm inside, and to drive up costs and create more beurocracy for everybody. FACTS as you say tell us we are entering a phase of global COOLING not warming. just check navy records for 100's of yrs.

[jordtube]

@wesleytarbuck i don't know what you talking about, you only have to watch "an inconvenient truth" to witness the evidence, i'd love to see a documentary that suggests otherwise if you would like to link that to me. even if u dont believe in it, that doesnt mean no action should be taken. I dont believe Australia will be invaded tomorrow, but does that mean we have scrap our defence force????

[MonkeyMagic88]

@AngusT07171 No , it is The Rothschild Bank of London who is leading the government. Julia 'Pinocchio' Gillard is following orders. Don't place the entire blame on that other Communist , Bob Brown. Mr Brown is helping Julia 'The Freak' Gillard enslave Australians under yet another massive tax !

[jacksoncapper]

@AngusT07171 or Labor