FPTV ep. 2-3: Rand vs. Libertarianism (Morning Commute)

[CamillaCalamity]

And the government (where I live) can force people off of their land, forcibly take their property, and imprison them as they see fit. We have rights and freedom until the powers that be decide they'd like to use us for something.

[JaredLangdon]

I checked out the web site of the Libertarian Party of Ontario and read their material. I could not find anything that differentiates that party from Freedom Party. They believe that it is the proper place of government to use force to protect freedom. Ditto for the Libertarian Party of Canada. So for me the question remains - what's the difference between the Freedom Party and the Libertarian Party? BTW, many thanks to you, Paul for all that you do to promote freedom.

[dharmashapta]

You are waffling. Libertarians defintely consider self-responsibility and consentual contracts. You are also wrong about libertarians not beliving in premptive strike. If there is evidence, its perfectly fine in defence. I think your idea of libertarianism is wrong.

[Libertarianist]

Who are you arguing against in this video?

[Libertarianist]

Threatening to drop a bomb IS an act of coercion. And I think all libertarians agree on that. I also believe that we pretty much agree that prevention of acts of coercion is justified, by your strawman, robbing a man at gunpoint isn't coercive, only until he shoots is it coercive.

[Sam26100]

Well, libretarians think that invading Iran is wrong, even though there is conciderable evidence that they are working on nuclear weapons

[Libertarianist]

Yes, I agree, I can't remember the context of my comment, but I think it is valid to threaten violence as a response to violence or an unprovoked threat of violence. For example "If you point that gun at me, I'll shoot you first."

Until Iran threatens to use a weapon they've developed, we should leave them alone but still make it clear to them what the result will be if they use, or even threaten to use a nuclear weapon.

[Libertarianist]

I may be committing the 'no true scotsman' fallacy here but I don't know any libertarian who would consider your example coercion by the wealthy man. And if I did meet one, I would assume that he doesn't understand libertarianism and is not actually one.

[sexdrugsRnR]

there is nothing wrong with protecting property rights.. but even that is a decision an individual should make.

protecting property through contract is the way, not through force.

[terraindrain2]

It comes as no suprise that this redneck mouth-piece lives out in the country.

[lonewolf1369]

Where do libertarians esposue "need trumps liberty" Paul?

[terraindrain1]

Is this the best the Freedom Party can do? Some moron spewing conjecture in a car?

[HrothgarOfHeorot]

I doubt you'll find a libertarian who agrees that "need trumps property rights," and the idea of a pre-emptive strike is the same as punishing a person for a crime he has not yet committed. I agree with Ayn Rand entirely on every point (I just finished Atlas Shrugged last night, in fact) and I don't think you've really understood why she disagrees with libertarianism. I don't know the reasons either but my finding of this video is an attempt to determine them.

[cflying]

My life, liberty, and property are not significantly threatened by Iraq or Iran. More people's lives and property are damaged by traffic accidents than terrorist attacks in the US. The wars in the Middle East are being fought to steal their property in the form of oil under the guise of protecting the rights of oppressed people. The US has destabilized Iraq so that it can establish a puppet government and exercise some level of control over Iraq's oil. This is theft and is immoral.

[PaulMcKeever]

Evil isn't a matter of addition.

[cflying]

The world is analog.

[bpope123]

Well, if most people shared the same philosophy towards aggression there would be much less (if any) of a need for preemptive force. The world would be a much more stable place. I think your basing you idea's on the world as it exists today (mostly chaotic confusion)

Preemtive self-defence is a hole other discussion

[bobcool123]

you described communism not libertarianism. You are confused about the definition of libertarianism.

[yazin60]

Rationality exists in Ontario! Excellent...happy you found me.

[PaulMcKeever]

The more the merrier! Welcome to the Group yazin60.

[darkstar1one]

Yeh, nice video but you're wrong about need trumping liberty under libertarianism.

[unionguy2006]

'Need' has NEVER trumped Liberty in Libertarianism theory. The idea of defensive action only has NEVER been espoused in any discussion with ANY Libertarian I have ever met. True Libertarians follow the US Constitution. In regards to Iraq, all americans and thei rpolitical parties are pulled apart on the issue.

[razer7echo]

I like everything you said. I do think you are wrong about what you said about Libertarians though. I have never encountered a Libertarian that believes any of the things you said about them and the way you explained the freedom party is how Libertarianism was introduced to me.

[leo14304]

very good breakdown of what you thoughts are related to ayn rand,

[PaulMcKeever]

Happy to have obliged davidngo4415. It was done on the fly, but I think it captures the general essence of the difference. Cheers.

[davidngo4415]

great summary of ayn rand and its difference with libertarianism. i appreciated it very much

[kp13822]

TURN OFF YOUR RADIO!