P.J. Crowley Debates Dinesh D'Souza's Endorsement of Torture

[RonDukeSilverSwanson]

It's too bad you have to wait for the last 30 seconds for any kind of logic to appear.

[JohnnyKidder]

Dinesh is a jackass, I'm sorry to say it like that, but the more debates I see him in, the more I think that

[santoshiful]

Perhaps this FOOL called dinesh d'souza is either an ALIEN ABDUCTEE returnee OR a RETARD from a TAVISTOCK EXPERIMENT! He LOOKS NO DIFFERENT from the ABU GHARIB Civilian VICTIMS. Does this RETARD really think europeans "love" him??? If he landed in Baghdad now, what makes him THINK his ameriKKKan "buddies" won't SODOMISE his ArseHole??? These DEPRAVED things actually HAPPENED in India Under Colonialism, yet THIS FUCKING WANKER..HOW would he like it happening TO HIS FAMILY???

[LogicalFlawDetector]

@santoshiful

Hey faggot, isn't your chore to choke on your mom's dick, and not troll on Youtube with the literacy of C-student?

[DaHonestAbe]

I have yet too see D'Souza win a debate. And I've seen him in a few debates.

[FantasticBob7000]

Son of a bitch

[klard]

To see how effective torture really is watch the series on torture during the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia 1975-1979. They tortured and killed 200,000 and did not find out one useful piece of information. watch?v=5zMZ4ddoNVI&feature=re­lated We are headed down a deep dark road of human depravity.

[klard]

These clowns always create some fantasy scenario that is never going to happen and then use it to justify torture generally. That is so non intellectual they should not be given a public forum. It is not censorship to require that before we listen to people and give them a forum, a person should have a rational reasoned point of view and be in at least some remote contact with facts and reality.

[eugdog106]

Torture Is wrong. If america sees itself as a beacon of hope and freedom and an example for the rest then there are somethings that they should abstain from and torture is one of them.

[ikkoikki]

D'Souza and all other pro-totture advocates use that same argument, by using hindsight. Why not torture everyone and we'll find out everything.

[bethechangeOSU]

All of this gratuitous torture sounds like a great way to keep generating false terror alerts and leading ourselves on a bunch of wild goose chases at the taxpayer's expense. Now it's clear why George Bush Jr. loved this kind of stuff--keep American citizen's attention on the threat of terrorism. Let's not forget that this is also an act of terrorism for political gain, and it's just plain outrageous to see this happening in the United States.

[dmlauffer]

You can call them false terror alerts all you want until they become real terror alerts. I find it hard to believe every terror alert is false considering the numerous attacks they have had abroad in the last 7 years.

[johnnondrowsyd]

it is insane to think that you can never go into the gray area of torture, and "harsher" techniques. What is the obsession with constant protection of everyone, and especially terrorists. To do it to a couple of people, a few times, to try and find out valuable info., is fine with me. It's not normal policy, but it is something to be used as a last resort, or in an emergency situation. This is no where near as a big a deal as people make it out to be.

[kg6120]

Absolutely! The whole liberal party is motivated by one thing and that is the freedom to kill babies. That is it! Let the terrorist free, by the way, don't call them that either, and kill the babies.

[alwaysright10000]

So, why shouldn't we kill babies? Terrorists are people too, and our civil liberties give s the RIGHT to kill babies when they pose an inconvenience. The whole problem with the right is they don't understand how IMPORTANT it is to us to kill babies and set terrorists free. Does that REALLY bug you so damn much? Why are you so uptight? Christ, get over it. Just wait till we institute or socialist Utopia and herd all you Christians and "patriots" into death camps...

Marx and infanticide forever!

[eatenmyeyes]

I hereby accuse Dinesh D'Souza of plotting a terrorist attack.  Dinesh, please report to the nearest post office for interrogation and fingernail removal.

[jwiska]

this is just like fox news, cut up and changed around, damn this left wing channel is a bunch of idoits just like fox

[MsLatosi]

The question should be, "What is the criteria for torture?

Eventually it will be expanded into domestic police use and we'll becaome like anyother

3rd world nation.

It's dangerous to suggest it.

But I still think D'Sousa is an amazing thinker, a great mind and should be used as one of Obama advisers, so we don't get anymore Aspartame pushing Donald Rumsfeld's who doesn't seem to care if he kills massive amounts of American's with his toxic Aspartame.

[copsontops]

If I knew a guy who knew plans of nukes launching on the U.S., I would not be the blind pridefull idiot who denise millions on people their lives... just how stupid the argument is against preventing 9-11

[lexus232323]

wtf Crowley, Wait until he or his family become a victim of a terrorist attack.. lets see how he feels after that.

[skycastles79]

I agree that Mr. D'Souza is wrong on supporting waterboarding for any prisioner, even the most despicable. I do not understand his dichotomy. He defends Christianity but at the same time can support such a heinous practice. No Christian should ever agree with torture. It is always inhuman. I pray that such a brilliant mind can see some of his worst mistakes and reconsiders some of his words.

[rashid120583]

Consider what you are suggesting: an entire class of people whose purpose is to inflict pain.

Do you want to work with such a person? Send your kids to the same school as him? Ride the bus with the guy who spent his entire day inflicting pain on people?

Conservatives love to advocate torture in the interest of national security; to me nothing is less secure to our nation. What can possibly be more corrosive to a free thinking democracy then the shadow of torture looming behind it?

[lakumbar]

This Indian snake oil peddler is singing a different tune each time he debates somebody else on a variety of issues. When he debates on atheism/god issues vis-a-vis Christianity he sings the opposite tune. He is a deluded fake with a twisted tongue.

[Phreylan]

Wouldn't it stand to reason, that indiscriminately bombing the middle east is going to push many of those same young 'American sympathetic' towards radicalization? Would our interests not be better served by embracing 9/11 as a catalyst for further sympathy, rather than a catalyst for MORE death and destruction.

What the USA has done, is the same as if the police firebombed an entire block in a Ghetto, because there were rumors of a drug dealer being in one of the houses.

[Phreylan]

At Freedom Talk 2007, Dinesh managed to, in what I believe is an obvious and unmistakable contradiction, stated that we are being attacked because "Too many young Muslims were taking on American values." Those are his exact words...

He then goes on to say that it's not the occupation but rather the threat to their traditions that has radicalized Islam. But this is the contradiction. If they are attacking the USA because too many young muslims are 'Americanizing' ... (continued)

[odge99]

I love America because it is (ideally) where you can be and not get tortured. If we become the tyrants we are worthy of being destroyed.

[WilltheAtheist]

Endorsement of Torture... Hm i wonder wath Jesus would think about that.

[bricology]

Yeah -- I thought he ordered his followers to "turn the other cheek".

[dealerovski82]

The same Jesus that said to turn the other cheek also dident lift an eyebrowe over an accident where many people died in a tower fall. And he is the same Jesus who will judge everyone in the end of time and send many to a lake of fire.

[rezuldazzle]

Dinesh got shot in the head, literally drowned and raped in the arse by the white dude. (well metaphorically). Watch the Documentary "taxi to the dark side"..... torture makes people say anything that the torturers wants to hear, just to make them stop. You have to negotiate to get honest and credible truths. After all they "terrorists" would be captive, so you have a leverage on them.

[ChocolateExplosion]

When have we ever captured someone who knew something so relevant only torture would save the day.. or a "ticking bomb" was going off and we had to torture him to save the world? what a moron, and he can't be thar smart if he think the US government is seriously interested in knowing where Bin Laden is. When they find him the war will be over and they'll have to go back to international diplomacy and negotiation... something they have no ability to do

[N0vayleaf]

You say Dinesh is wrong and ive thought about this but honestly if he's wrong what else should we do? this terrorist has information that if we discoverd could stop millions from dieing. like example "9/11"

[joba606]

For anyone who disagrees with waterboarding: what is your alternative method that you approve of, for getting brutal, mass-murdering terrorists to give up information in order to prevent another attack on our country?

[MustacheVerra]

You were not attack by terrorist. 911 is a lie.

BTW, if there are terrorist cells all over the world how come we don't see cars blowing up every week in the US, the UK etc.?

The fact is that cancer or drunk drivers kill 100% more people than terrorist. Maybe more. You're more likely to get hit by lighting than die in a terrorist attack.

[joba606]

That's just leftist propaganda. Of course terrorists attacked the WTC and the Pentagon.

[MustacheVerra]

lol... Actually it's not. There's a huge cover up regarding 911 and there more than 400 architect and engineer who does not accept the official story. There pilots for 911. CIA and FBI official who demand an investigation.

[joba606]

More fantasy. You cannot, or will not accept that terrorists attacked us because if you did accept that one fact, there is the slightest chance that Bush's War on Terror might be RIGHT.

[MustacheVerra]

If only you had a brain you would know the collpase of the towers cool only be explain if explosives were used.

I'd support the war if it was a good war but it's not and it's base on a lie.

[joba606]

You obviously can't speak or write in english, but you think you can. You're a paranoid leftist fool. Everything you say is a lie.

[MustacheVerra]

No it's not a lie. But i wish it was...

The fact is terrorist cant hijack 4 planes in one day because NORAD will catch them in no time.

Anyone can search world trade 7 and see it collapse at gravity speed just like a control demolition. Again, i have 400 architects and engineer backing me up on this.

[joba606]

'Debunking 9/11 Myths' by Popular Mechanics explains all 9/11 'Truther' lies.

[MustacheVerra]

lol.. I knew it! You're one of them paid posters.

...or you're an idiots?

[joba606]

Stupid, you drank the neo-Marxist Kool Aid a long time ago. That's your problem, not my problem.

[MustacheVerra]

bla bla bla! You dumb right wing prick. No wonder you support torture you Nazi son of a bitch.

Why do you think GW Bush did everything he could to stop an investigation on 911 to take place huh? He finally cave in when the 911 family victim insisted. Why would someone not want to investigate the biggest crime in US history? It took more than a year to start investigating? Who's drinking the Kool aid now huh? now?

[joba606]

Just because you suck Bin Laden's cock is no reason to get angry.

[Hottides]

Advanced interrogation methods designed to force the truth from Muslim insurgents should be investigated using captured terrorists and Iraqi insurgents as subjects. For example, could direct neural stimulation or sophisticated pharmaceuticals make Muslim prisoners believe their interrogators are Allah, and thus encourage them to "confess" their sins to their captors? It's worth a try..

[joba606]

I still can't understand why people get upset thinking about a mass-murdering fascist having water poured up his nose for two minutes, in order to save thousands of lives.

[MustacheVerra]

Torture id for fascist. You can call your country a democracy once you start torturing people.

The CIA has torturing people for decades. The only reason they want to make it legal is to scare us into thinking there's a threat out there.

[joba606]

Terrorists don't just torture - they maim, mutilate and behead their victims. I never see any of you leftists talk about what to do with terrorists, because you don't WANT the responsibility of having to deal with terrorists. It's easier to blame Bush than to actually do something about terrorism.

[Hottides]

Terrorists should be "rigorously" interrogated, then executed. Imprison select high-level ones for prolonged terms to gradually bleed them of information, and use some of the grunts to develop advanced interrogation techniques, or for counter infiltration a la The Manchurian Candidate.

[joba606]

Agreed. Bravo.

[j01tz0r]

So joba606, you're saying the government should stoop to the level of terrorists? Nice going.

[joba606]

If Zaccarias Moussaoui had been waterboarded after we arrested him in October 2001, 3,000 innocent human beings would NOT have died on 9/11.

Waterboarding isn't stooping to the level of terrorists because they wouldn't bother waterboarding anyone, when they can mutilate and behead him with knives.

[jshimmy666]

Um, hello you idiot, if we waterboarded Moussaoui in October 2001, 3000 people still would've died since 9/11 would've occurred a month earlier.

[joba606]

Right. Sorry, asshole. I meant August 2001.

Thanks, tool.

[jshimmy666]

LOL, I'm the 'tool'? The real tool is the one who mindlessly swallows the talking point and defends them through verbal assaults. Sorry, you're that tool.

[joba606]

"I know you are, but what am I?!" LOL.

Moussaoui was captured a month before 9/11. It might have been helpful if someone had made him talk.

Call that a talking point if you want.

[megamarsvin]

Oh I so love that hypocrite Dinesh D'Souza. He's all religious and we should believe in God he's the only moral compass we need. Then he turns around and says "Well torture is bad but the ends justify the means."

Guess I'll see him in Hell ^^

[MustacheVerra]

There's is no threat! There's only a bunch elitist with global ambition who are willing to use terror(which they then blame on Arabs) to further their cause. We're being plaid.

[Hottides]

Islam has been a potentially mortal threat to civilized values and human survival since Muhammad preached World War in Mecca 14 centuries ago. Either face the truth and fight Muslim fascist insanity, or prepare to endure a Global Darfur.

[MustacheVerra]

Do you seriously believe anyone will buy into this obvious rear mongering? Who do you work for body? Are you sponsored by the neocons? Or are you an Israeli cyber soldier? Because i don't believe you're just an average Joe.

Don't be fool people, there are people here trying to influence us and they are paid to do so.

[Hottides]

I'm no NeoCon; I'm an ardent Atheist and Rationalist who, like my comrades-at-arms Hirsi Ali, Sam Harris and Christopher Hitchens, understands civilization and humanity's future are mortally threatened by militant Islam. Let the foolish latter-day Imperialists have their misadventures in Iraq and elsewhere, so long as they wage merciless total war against those who cut female genitals, stone homosexuals and strive through murder and terror to enslave humanity to Mad Muhammad's ogre-god Allah.

[MustacheVerra]

BS! You're a propagandist paid to spread fear. I don't know who you work for exactly but i know nobody talks like that unless they have a political agenda. Stop trying to sell us the next war in the ME you sun of a bitch!

The truth is Islam is being threaten by Zionist and the western world.

[Hottides]

Everyone has a political agenda. As an Atheist, Zionism's my enemy as well. However, the danger posed by Zionism pales by comparison to the moral danger and evil of Islam. Zionists only seek to rule Palestine and rough-handle Arabs, while Muslims strive to conquer the world and enforce Shari'a, which confines women to the roles of whore and maid, mandates death for Atheism and homosexuality and extinguishes freedom of thought and conscience in deference to Allah's tyrannical dictates.

[scpotts101]

I just lost all my respect for this guy.

[tqd]

Does this jerk have any respect to the United States Bill of Rights?

And what if "water boarding" doesn't work, electrocute the "suspects" by the testicles? or nail them on a cross so that they will fess up?

[scpotts101]

Dinesh is a follower of Jesus, so I'm assuming he would wish that he and other people in the world would try to act like Christ. Would Jesus tip the waterboard? Based on what I've read about Jesus, no. Defending oneself is acceptable, torturing is not. How can you be sure of the accuracy of the information given?

[lyonellelion]

ur statment is of pure ignorance. if you read the gospels you will see how Jesus spoke severely to the pharisees and the saducees. he called them serpent and hypocrites. he even made a whip of cords to beat the people selling in the temple. in one occasion he said it would be better for you to have a rock tie to your neck and be thrown into the sea. there is a line if you cross it you loose your cival rights. i think the people dinesh is talking about have wander way beyond that line.

[tqd]

Such idiocy! the Lord Jesus is a savior, not a sadist!

[AwokenSpirit]

Although I think D'Souza is a very intelligent guy and has the capacity to make very good points, I am very sure that Christ never instructed Christians to torture other human beings.

[scpotts101]

I just lost a lot of respect for Dinesh. He is an extremely articulate and intelligent guy, and he more than held his own in a recent debate against a prominent atheist, but the way he upholds the use of torture here clashes with what I heard him espousing about God and western values and trying to live like Jesus during the other debate.

[isaacjohannsson]

I agree with you. D'Souza has a brilliant mind but he is wrong about this issue.

[lyonellelion]

i understand where you are coming from. keep in mind that the individuals in questions are not like you and i. They are evil, ruthless, babaric individuals who have no respect for life. they are ready to blow themselves up and 20 of their own people in order to kill one american. It is not always black and white there is a gray area in between that you have to consider.

[lyonellelion]

i understand where you are coming from. keep in mind that the individuals in questions are not like you and i. They are evil, ruthless, babaric individuals who have no respect for life. they are ready to blow themselves up and 20 of their own people in order to kill one american. It is not always black and white there is a gray area in between that you have to consider.

[Commando303X]

Is the entire debate available?

[dazzaclap]

Name one instance ever in the history of mankind when this kind of intervention based on torture has ever worked.... NEVER. This is an extreme hypothetical used to justify brutality.

[Therwood]

silly logic. Name one terrible thing that didn't happen because it was stopped before it could

[bavarianbeast2000]

I find it weird when conservatives agree on torture, when Teddy Roosavelt was agianst torture of the Philipino rebels in the Spanish-American war for the territory. Even when the Philipinos were at their most savage. (P.S. don't use that "9-11 changed everything" one-liner, no one buys it anymore...) PLus, information from torture can be taken to a grain of salt anyway, we don't have anyone that has any useful info in Guantanamo.

[caldopeixe]

Ask yourself this question - Which would you rather have as your father if you had been kidnapped by a child-molesting deranged lunatic - Dinesh D'Souza or this other guy? What if the police get a hold of this deranged lunatic and he won't say where he has put you? Now be honest.

[Scalia4prez]

post the whole debate, or does D'souza complete fuck up the bald asshole from the Clinton admin?

[ulsterscot]

put these terrorists on a spit...and roast them until they talk