nope. Mormon belief after life is much more complicated than heaven and hell. there is the celestial, terrestrial and tellestrial kingdoms being different parts of heaven according to them, most go to heaven. the only ones that go to hell are those that truly know the truth and choose to reject it and sin willingly. plus there is spirit prison until the final judgment which mostly involves God choosing which heaven to put you in. that's mormon
what i dont get about mormans is that they say they belive in Jesus Christ, and they say they use the bible to learn his word, but they ONLY use what they like. then they go and expect to become gods after they die, because they threw their life away! if they would stop seeing half the bible and realize all of it, they would realize that to be saved by Jesus Christ, you have to love him back! he loves them and they treat him like their boss.
To assume that our Temple ceremonies have any validity, one must assume them to be true ordinances before God. And if they are indeed true, then we got them the way we said we did and are obliged to carry them out, the way we've been told to do. His is a typical anti Mormon protestation, which holds no water, as usual.
"Not ready to understand? That is the same argument EVERY cult with ridiculous beliefs uses."
So true. The Bible says that God gives understanding of his Word liberally. Telling people they cant be given the full tenants of a faith until some other human decides they're ready to recieve them is classic avoidance & hidding of insular religious sects
It's how the Free Masons operate with their different degrees, but maybe that's why the Mormon Temple has Mason symbols on it
@Yobachi2007 Christ also said "And he said unto them, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear" (Matt 11:15; 13:9 Mark 4:9, Revelation 3:6,13, 22 just to state a few verses)
Mormons are racist, that's why. They don't like to tell people this, but up until the 70s the only way you could go to heaven if you were black was as a slave to a white man. That's because they are all a bunch of Neo Nazi white supremacists.
The secret handshake is done like this...1st you scratch your balls...then you scratch your partners balls...then while your scratching his balls you reach around and stick your finger in his ass, and he does likewise, then each of you lick each other fingers. After the fingers have been licked clean, you then sing "like a virgin" afterwards you have a coke and a smile! and light up a doobie.
The fact is you don't understand Mormonism. We want you to go to heaven. We want you to experience the blessings of the Temple. God wants you to be Mormon. God wants you to experience the blessings of the Temple. The problem is you want meat before milk. Just like was said before, you are trying to understand calculus without knowing how to add. The fact is, there are steps to prepare to understand the things taught in the Temple, and you haven't gone through them.
If God wants me to be Mormon, then why doesn't the Bible tell me that? God neglect to tell all his prophets this very important fact, and decide to wait until the thousands of years into humanity to only tell Joseph Smith? Now how shall I find that plausible?
@Yobachi2007 The Bible does tell you that, you've just been taught to ignore anything that supports the LDS point of view. LDS doctrine is close to the Bible than any other organized religion, it's just a fact.
@Yobachi2007 Here is what you must do: First, talk to the LDS missionaries. Have them teach you the gospel as we understand it. Receive it with all readiness of mind, like the ancient Bereans, and like them, then search the scriptures (including the Book of Mormon, you must read that) to see if these things are not true. And, like Moroni says (Moroni 10:3-5) pray about it. God will manifest the truth to you, and you can come to the temple.
@Yobachi2007 If you want a job somewhere and the job description says you need to know calculus, and you barely know your multiplication tables, do you honestly think you are going to get that job?
the Funny thing is the ur confusing teachings in the LDS region, members of the church or mormons as you called them, believe all are intital to believe how they wish (fyi this not refering to any consquinces good or bad that may come from doing so). and they "secert hand shakes" better put as sacred isn't somethink they are holding from you to keep you out of heaven. just as someone can not understand calculus until they under stand the basic their is much that must be understood for everyone
just to put out; to point out a teaching tought at the Harvard Divity school (not run by "the Mormons") If u have a question/consern for another's religion 1st go 2 a member or that reigion (not thier critics or anyone who has left that religion) on acount of bias they will hold. the 2nd thing is compare beliefs (e.g. to Mormons; all can recieve anwsers from heaven> to Buddhism "Enlightenment is intile to all) and 3rd Leave room for holy envey (respect) from them. I wish u all find what u seek.
The problem with going to die-hards of a religion, especially if you're dealing with single-minded adherents, is they're just as or more biased than then their critics in the other direction.
Again I'll reference the indisputable fact that the Book of Mormon has been changed. You will have Mormons deny this when this isn't a matter of faith, but actual fact. I need not ask a Mormon if this is true, I can simply pick up an older version & a current version and see this for myself.
@jmhatutube no, actually. the bible has never been changed. the wording has been changed several times though, but i guess changing the language from greek to english or spanish or french counts in a mormon world.
@S00praGuitarbr00tal Then you shouldn't have a problem with the Book of Mormon changes because it has been changed less significantly than the Bible.
It's funny though how you contradict yourself "the bible has never been changed. the wording has been changed..." I've heard plenty of Christian preach have problem with certain versions of the Bible, which means it has been changed with different meanings, quite often.
@jmhatutube ok when i say the wording has been changed, i mean they change "thou art there" to " you are there" and thats the only thing in the bible, other than the language that has been changed! ever! but the book of mormon, and trust me i have compared newer and older versions of it, the ENTIRE meaning has been changed! in the 70's mormons were extremely racist! now they are just normally racist because the world has changed! and when the world changes, so do the liars and the tricked.
@S00praGuitarbr00tal Sorry, but there is more changes in the Bible that just a "thou" to "you". Certain assumptions are made by different translators and so the meaning is done differently.
I've also done comparisons from current to previous and then to the manuscripts. Any difference was resolve with the manuscript because the typesetter/publisher got things wrong, not Jospeh.
Before you try to go any further, source your claims. Otherwise stop lying.
@jmhatutube but the thing is, everyone has the same perspective on it because they actually reference other versions of the bible, in most bibles! it even references greek bibles, as in words and some verses where the wording was changed. seriously, with them always referencing each other, nothing changed. i DO kind of have a 40 year old bible in my house.
and also, i never said people changed the book of mormon by accident, im saying that your " high priests" changed it, kuz they wanted to.
@S00praGuitarbr00tal Your absolutely wrong. While I don't personally own the versions I researched, I have compared the two and they actually don't have a basis of reference for their difference. They personally interpreted what they though the translation should mean.
As for the Book of Mormon, I'm waiting for your references. Otherwise you your just regurgitating the long refuted anti-Mormon garbage. You're not proving your point and don't have a leg to stand on.
@jmhatutube i dont need to prove a point. all i need to know is that in all the debates that are between a christian and a mormon, the christian wins about 95% of the time. usually because mormons use 50% of the bible and reject the rest, change laws about their own religion so to better suit themselves, are very racist, have different laws that do and dont apply for different ranks (in the new testament it says all are equal) and are usually extremely defensive and like to change subjects.
@S00praGuitarbr00tal When you make accusations you back them up, otherwise you look like an ignorant fool, which you seem to be ok with. You actually have everything backwards, which again proves how ignorant you really are. The Mormon church follows the doctrines of the Bible closer than any other organized religion. It's credal Christianity that wrongly interprets the Bible to fit their predetermined idea and tradition. Everyone of your statements is not only wrong, but laughable.
@jmhatutube more closely? really? go look up Matthew 7:21-23. now isnt it true that mormon? believe that their works will save them? if so, then would this mean that you dont believe that this verse is true? well this is the teaching of Jesus Christ, our Lord God, and if you say you follow the word as closely as you say, than you wouldn't believe in your works. But since you do, you dont follow every word of God, so that makes you all Hippocrates.
@S00praGuitarbr00tal First off, your a coward for not backing up your accusations. Secondly, it's ironic you bring up Matt. 7:21-23 since it's credal Christianity that professes salvation through a few sentences of "Lord Lord..." and then go on to profess in God's name with out His authority.
While Baptism is hit and miss with you guys, it's required in the Bible. No one else has apostles and prophets (although some are starting to call themselves apostles) the LDS doctrines r the most biblcl
@jmhatutube all i can say is, joseph smith is a liar. isnt it true that mormons arent allowed to drink alcohol? well i know firsthand that joseph smith, your "prophet" was a drunk.and since allot has changed in the world, alot has changed in the LDS church
@S00praGuitarbr00tal Seriously, another rant you know nothing about and only vomit hateful garbage. Yes, Joseph Smith drank, so did Brigham Young. Church members had to learn pieces at a time. the same way Jesus taught his apostles. Did you know Paul (as Saul) commissioned the murder of Christ's followers? Are you going to discount everything he did because of that?
People like you will continue to recycle long refuted garbage with no basis in fact. Backup your allegations or be a coward.
@jmhatutube well, yes saul did. but he was forgiven, a thing only Jesus Christ can do. but seriously, all this, all this being around you and me. doesnt matter. what happens after is what matters right now. and it says in that there verse, that Jesus Christ will declare to all who do not follow the will of God, "i never knew you." and what does he care about you, your not his friend. your not, really anyone important really. so why should he die for someone he doesnt know? would you?
@S00praGuitarbr00tal Well, what every you're trying to say is more that just a little incomprehensible. If you're saying I'm not a follower of Christ and that he doesn't care about me, then you have a seriously flawed understand of who Christ is and what he has done. Christ died for everyone! He will give you every chance to accept him. But if you reject Christ and his doctrine/commandments He will not know you.
@jmhatutube well since you just basicly said what i said but with some parts left out, i can honestly see that this whole thing is pointless. seriously, im not going to convince you of anything, and vice versa. nothing will change in ether of us, and if you think that you "won" then i can say you never really looked at the bible with an open mind. if you dont care, then i hope you have a good life man
@S00praGuitarbr00tal Pointless? Likely yes. I read the WHOLE Bible objectively and not just a few versus given by a preacher or whatever. Ironically the Bible only strengthens the LDS position because much of the Bible is practiced only by the LDS Church. Do what you want, all I really care about is following Christ - That is what keeps me in the LDS Church. BTW, you started this whole thing without even backing up your accusations. Pretty weak.
@S00praGuitarbr00tal Really?! How about I'll stay with the truth and stay with what ever it is you call it. Remember, you never specifically pointed anything out. All your statements were general. I would have had not problem addressing specifics, but I don't think you really had any.
@jmhatutube .....whatever just drop it. even if i had 100% specific things that whole time, you wouldve just came out exactly as you are. no different. still the same. you wouldn't have cared. you wouldve said the exact same things. just drop everything and whatever
@S00praGuitarbr00tal See, that's just it. You will never have anything close to 100% because your accusations are a lie. Worse than that, you showed NOTHING. You showed nothing because you have nothing. All I care about is truth and every time nitwits like come up with something that you've regurgitated from professional anti-Mormons, all it takes is a little contextual research to refute the claims. But since you not interested in the truth, have a great life and see you on the other side.
@jmhatutube well, as it occurs, you didnt reference anythning directly ether. so, really you just served your self a huge plate of crap. seriously man look at yourself too. not just the other person jeez
@S00praGuitarbr00tal Since you a beginner in this whole process let me help you out. Those who make specific accusations must back them up, otherwise he looks foolish. Those refuting specifics do so with their own facts. But since you stated nothing specific, how could one refute ambiguity (I know big word, look it up). Unless you're prepared to backup your statements, you need to let the adults work this out. Otherwise you look very ignorant. You must not mind that though.
@jmhatutube well now im just laughing. because for the one thing i referenced, you had one less in there. seriously, if your going to call me ignorant for not referencing anything, then you are a hypocrite. because you reference nothing say your right, and then yell at everyone else for not doing it. so shutup if you cant think!
@S00praGuitarbr00tal You referenced nothing. All you said was the Book of Mormon was changed and I said no more than the bible. Where's the reference? Your statement was general, so was my rebuttal. Again, read very slowly if it will help. General accusations are hollow and and since you didn't have any facts, I called you out. I've got a whole pile if facts so as soon as you want to have an adult conversation, I'm ready. Otherwise keep you assumptions to yourself.
@jmhatutube i actually did reference something. Matthew 7:21-23. and yes, your right about that next part. and th next. that next part is laughable. you hold yourself over me and everyone else dont you? i make a general accusation, you do the same. i reference something, you say you follow it closer than me. when you cant see what its saying. i referenced more that you, which means ive put out more facts. more facts which means your just being a hypocrite.
@S00praGuitarbr00tal Your Matt. reference as nothing whatsoever to do with your initial accusation. You said the Book of Mormon was changed without anything to back it up. After I called you on it, you referenced Matt. as a way to fell like you had some moral high-ground, even though the Matt reference supports the LDS view much more so that the traditional Christian view. Face it, you can't support you initial argument - you put out nothing.
@jmhatutube ok now your changing the subject. just like so many mormons before you. yes its true, i did not have anything to back it up, but you said the bible was changed MORE than the book or mormon, and YOU have nothing to back it up. then the whole reference thing. and that Matt. reference says that your works will not save you! you may prophesy in his name and cast out demon is his name! but if you do not know him he will not know you! if he does not know you....well you understand.d
@jmhatutube ok now your changing the subject. just like so many mormons before you. yes its true, i did not have anything to back it up, but you said the bible was changed MORE than the book or mormon, and YOU have nothing to back it up. then the whole reference thing. and that Matt. reference says that your works will not save you! you may prophesy in his name and cast out demon is his name! but if you do not know him he will not know you! if he does not know you....well you understand.
@bggruff05 To explore the truth take up both sides of the issue and make comparisons. Don't ask the pope and don't ask the Hierarchy. Mormonism posits strange un Christian doctrine and practices. Like Race. In the NT we read that the curse is removed and all are one under JC. In Mormonism we are stuck in the OT and ALL the shit that comes with it, like Race. Acts 8: an Ethiopian Eunuch of Queen Candide hears the word and baptized just like that. Impossible in Mormonism and Judaism; BLACK EUNUCH
I think you've missed the point of the vid by being overly literal about doctrine, when arguing doctrine is not actually the point.
The point is that just as many Mormons often in debate about things that are even historical fact, like the fact that things in Book of Mormon have been changed; just as manycall it hate for you point such things out, if that method is pointed back at them then I'm showing how I can erroneously classify their actions as hate if I wish to mis-classify.
@bggruff05 It isn't a matter of understanding. Your analogy fails because calculous isn't hidden from anybody wether they can understand it or not. There's no church holding calculus in secrete while simultaneously claiming it's the only way to God.
@Yobachi2007 Check out Cor 4:1 which states that Christ's ministers are stewards of the mysteries of God. There are plenty of references to "mysteries of God" that are only valuable and available to those properly prepared to receive them. You guy pick and choose what you want to see in the Bible and if it doesn't fit you Christian worldview then you ignore it.
when god ask a mormon what did they do to enter heaven..the mormon will say,,,i gave all my money to the mormon church...gave my childrens collage money to the mormon church..i sold my house and we all live in a tent and i gave all the money from the house to the mormon church!!!! i even made my family eat only one meal a day and then gave the rest to the church just to build temples then god shuts out....REAL MORON COMING THRU!!!!!
why can't he be in #1? God loves him just as much as anyone else...... why would God even separate heaven? is anyone on this earth better than anyone else? Am i better than anyone else? OH HELL NA!!!!!!!!! i know where i'm going though. it's an easy destination to predict, if you know that God is love. blessed be
So there's segregation in Heaven, too! G-wiz, a brotha can't catch a break.
Do I have to go through the back pearly gates to get in? Can I even drink from the same Heavenly springs as you good Mormon people, or do the rest of us Christians have to drink from the seperate but equal springs, and eat from the seperate but equal Tree Of Life?
lots of good Mormons going to be in Heaven 2 & 3 as well. But don't worry you get to the top Heaven in the end we just are not allowed to teach that yet.
surely your not that dumb weak sounding fag,your a black person that's why.plus their is a battle for your soul,now mormons want to win souls for satan,they will let you join their church,but secretly call you a stupid ni--er.
Don'cha know? It's because them mormons want a "white" heaven. I'm glad I'm not the only one who's noticed that their church is like a secret society almost as closed as the masons or skull and bonesmen.
Hello, my friend. I don't hate you. You are welcome to receive all of the ordinances and covenants that are offered by the church. The only condition, is that you believe that the teachings of the church are true. Inasmuch as you do not believe that they are true, why would you or anyone want to receive covenants or ordinances in which they clearly do not believe? They are sacred to us, and are offered to all who choose to believe. You are free to choose as you wish. Best wishes.
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@Troul478 We don't really want to talk about the Mormons concept of Heaven and Hell do we, with their space aliens having polygamy in the hear after, and their different layers of Heaven depending on how good you are?
@Yobachi2007 1 Corinthians 15:40-42: "There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial; but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for one star differeth from another star in glory. SO ALSO IS THE RESURRECFTION OF THE DEAD..."
If Paul wants to talk about this wonderful teaching, why don't you?
@Troul478 LMAO, and this supports space alien polygamy and different layers of Heaven, how?
You can pull as many isolated passage out of the Bible without context that you want, to try and twist, but the Bible tells us to compare line upon line, scripture upon scripture. Which is to say the word is congruent and trying to take a few lines in isolation to make them out to say what you want doesn't work.
@Yobachi2007 Was the polygamy Abraham, Jacob or Solomon practiced "space alien polygamy", too? What do you mean by with this expression? Do you say that the patriarchs of the Bible were some kind of freaks?
You are trying to avoid the question. In the light of your immense wisdom and in the context of the Bible, what does the passage from 1 Corinthians mean? What do you think. Please stop spreading propaganda and present a few facts.
So now you're trying to use Abraham, Jacob and Solomon to say polygamy is okay. Are you LDS? I thought LDS were against polygamy now. So by justifying it you prove that LDS haven't changed, they only changed their religion for politics. Wow, some kind of faith that changes based on what the government tells you is right.
1 Cor means what it says, and doesn't say anything about having sex with multiple wives in Heaven. At least start with verse 35.
@Yobachi2007 My view is just more balanced than yours. The fact that I do not CONDEMN polygamy does not say that I am a polygamist or in favor of practicing it.
You know, at times when the authority was on the earth there have always been changes and adaptations in the Church of God because God spoke through prophets and apostles. Only after an apostacy the Church closed the canon of scripture and said God stopped speaking for good. The power then went to preachers who got no revelations.
@Yobachi2007 In 1 Corinthians Paul speaks about different bodies and degrees of glory in the ressurection. The whole chapter is about the resurrection of the dead. So the context is absolutely clear.
Let me ask you one question: According to your view. can someone who practices polygamy be saved?
@Troul478 You can try and twist the Word all you want, it still says what it says. The whole chapter is about the resurrection. It talks about the human body vs beast and birds. Then in verse four it says there is a terrestrial body (the 1 you have now) vs the celestial body (the 1 you will have post resurrection). This is understood when u follow the context of the chapter instead of trying to twist the Word to justify ur perversion
Paul is addressing how the dead & decomposed can have a body.
@Yobachi2007 This is the way people have been dealing with the Bible through the century. They make up their own theories and twist the verses around until it seems to match their own favorite interpretation. You really should not do that.
1 Corinthians 15:41 talks about THREE different levels of glory in the ressurrection. You only mention TWO different types of body. How would you define the "glory of our earthly bodies"? And what is the "third heaven" in 2 Corinthians 12:2?
@Troul478 "can someone who practices polygamy be saved?"
I don't make that decision. I leave it to the only qualified being in existence to make such determinations.
All have sinned and come short of the Glory of God. Yet, the Bible does not sanction polygamy and expressly states that TWO people, a man & woman cleave together, becoming one flesh. Not a man & 5.
Rev 22: 18-19 warns against adding to the word, and taking away from it; and those who do being taken out of the book of salvation.
@Yobachi2007 So, neither you nor I will judge these people. Agreed. Nevertheless, would you say that it was a crazy idea of Abraham to take 3 wives and of Jacob to take 4 wives? And yet Matthew 8:11 states clearly: "...That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham; and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven."
I promise you, I would never add anything to the Book of Revelations. Do you know when and how the books of the Bible were collected into one volume?
@Troul478 Right, and the Bible also said David was a man after God's own heart, even though he murdered someone. Just because someone may have gained their righteousness, that doesn't mean God condones what they did, or that what they were sinless, hence, "All have sinned and come short of the Glory of God."
Highlighting someones sin, and trying to justify yourself with it is lunacy.
That quote does not pertain just to the Book of Rev, it' pertains to God's whole Word, and yes, I'm familiar .
@Yobachi2007 Are you sure you still know what you are talking about? Do you really say that I want to justify myself with the sin of someone else? What kind if sin am I trying to justify with what kind of sin of someone else?
You are the one who is trying to condemn someone (us!). I would never do such a thing because I know that we are all sinners. Judge not that you be not judged!
"Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it..." Deut 4:2.
@Troul478 You tried to use Abraham and company to justify polygamy. It's in black and white next to your user name, so stop playing dumb.
Telling the Word of God isn't condemning. If you feel condemned, then you feel condemned by the Word. Your feelings at hearing the Word are for you to deal with; it's not on me.
But typical Mormon retreat when faced with the Word of God, or any historical truth. "Stop condemning me by speaking the truth." Exactly why I made this video.
@Yobachi2007 I used Abraham to make you start thinking. Finally. The word of God is not condemning to me. Your twisted interpretation of it is. Your video is BS, of course. It is as if I said: "I can't become President of the United States of America, because I was not born in the USA. Why do the Americans hate me so?"
You know, the admonition not to judge anybody is not just a meaningless phrase in an old book. It is fully applicable to us today. And I would advise you to heed it.
@Yobachi2007 In order to end our nice little discussion about polygamy: Why don't you simply give me the verse from the Bible which generally and expressly forbids the practice of polygamy?
No mormon hates you and I know for sure you are going to heaven. Jesus made sure of that. We are not better than you. Sorry if we gave you that impression; we are all God's children and He is no respecter of persons.
He doesn't want us to suffer in hell eternally. The only question is: Do you want to be with God? or be like Him? "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.(Matt 5:48)
"secret handshakes" do you no good if your heart is not right with God
MORMONS ARE TOTALLY DELUDED, they got their endowment sessions for their temples directly from freemasonry rituals, its not a requirement, its just a fear element that is drummed into the brains of committed Mormons who feel they are in the right when they are not, by the way, Joseph smiths youngest wife was 14, now that would make him a pedophile wouldnt it, his second youngest wife was 16, mormon rituals are not a requirement for immortality and eternal life, and exaltation is just false.
@trailertrashrnr I know exactly what my words mean, by the way, I don't think Mormons know exactly what their supposed to believe in because they profess to be Christian but unfortunately their beliefs are not based on the bible whereas the beliefs of christians are, are you saying Im spreading around shit,
Ha, you believe a video you saw on youtube? Ha ha, get your facts straight man. Lol. Have you tried talking to a bishop from the LDS church?
If you want to make up excuses like "all mormons hate me..." to avoid going to church or to try and use it as an excuse to make yourself the victim; then it's all good man. Just grow up already and accept that everything on the internet isn't true.
Anyway, let me know what you think. I'd like to argue on the internet, it makes me feel cool.
The secret handshakes are suppose to get you "through" the pearly gates quicker. Not knowing the handshakes does not mean you go to hell {according to LDS} it just means you are less likely to get exalted as they think they will. It also means we may become their servants (ie, slaves) for eternity. In one sense, being a slave to a Mormon god is like being in hell.
I agree. A lot of Mormons I know spend a lot of time thinking and talking about how great they were in the pre-earth life. They talk and act like they're going to be the next prophet. People stereotype me into being a goody-goody Molly Mormon just because I am a fifth-generation Mormon. That's just goes along with their idea of how the world works. And whenever I do something wrong, they judge me the harder for it.
Everything you people say here is recorded in heaven everyone knows that for a fact, if you want clarification on any of Mormonisn talk to the Mormon Missionaries yo! but don't ask about the temple cause thats not just secret, its sacred like your privacy in your shower kind of sacred
@OwRdrKsTdAySBeCk speaking of being recorded in heaven, were not the crimes of joseph smith recorded in heaven also, because they certainly were recorded in the records of the earth, and if you want to see a good source, "the 19th wife' by ann elizer young, she was a member who knew joseph smith and brigam young, she saw the mormon movement happen, and it wasnt written by the ex mormons for jesus.
@OwRdrKsTdAySBeCk Because 19 year olds have all the answers on the Book they probably haven't read since they were 8 right? Makes total sense....oh wait
Temple momonism is freemasonry. Freemasonry is BAAL WORSHIP. Read Ezekiel 8 for the origin of masonry. Joe Smith came up w/ the 'endowment' 2 months after he became a mason.
Temple mormons worship BAAL & they dont even know it- Satan is laughing his ass off at them.
you just go in to the pres & declare yourself righteous and holy. then you get the club card. (dont sin after that! they'll take it back)
Then you get Magic Underpants with symbols on them of the same tools they used to build the Tower of Babel,.. see?? JoeSmith was right, its all about building yourself up to heaven! Jesus just kind of smooths out the leftover rough spots eh...
wow, you are awesome at making up stuff about the Mormon church. I have seen many, but you have a gift. You should do this all the time. Or better yet, get on the internet and broadcast it to millions to try to misinform them as much as possible and bear as much false witness as you can against those evil Mormons.
pilottim79 I've been a mormon since birth- thru the temple &on a mission. My forbearers were handcart pioneers. I challenge you to study ancient mystery schools of babylon- origins of masonry & your own church doctrines. They are all a reflection of Satans boast to be like God through his own merits.
When you tell me Im just 'making it up' you sound like the typical LDS wetback who hasnt gotten much past "popcorn popping on the apricot tree."
thanks for confirming my belief that you are a bigot. I am not a "wetback" but I love the latino people. I am sorry that you are such a racist, bigot, but hey it takes all kinds.
pilottim79 Ive heard the term wetback used in the past as an abreviated way to say "wet behind the ears" -that is what I meant by that, even if I used it somewhat incorrectly. so, sorry. not a bigot
You really got excited when you thought you had some petty point to attack me on though, however irrelevant it was to the topic.
And that confirms my belief that You are an intellectual coward. Go learn some things, read the bible & so on, this is like taking candy from a baby..
What?? We don't hate you!! We love you!! We WANT you to go to heaven with us! There are no secret handshakes or secret phrases to get into heaven. The only thing there is to do is to have faith in the Church, repent, be baptized, and endure to the end. Entering the temple plays a huge role in your salvation as well. But you can't enter the temple unless you have taken the first steps which include baptism.
I was a Mormon and I can PROMISE you there are secret handshakes and a name you are given. You get them in the temple. What "Arenelda" is trying to hide is that Mormons think you can get into the3rd degree of Heaven. If you want to go all the way though (to the 1st degree of the celetisla kingdom, or "heaven") you must have the signs and tokens of the priesthood (which includes the handshakes/name).
I used to be a Mormon. I got out of the mormon Church because. People say if you need the help we will help you. I was going through a hard time and I turned to my Bishup and he told me that he could not help me what so ever. I was very upset. I now have join the catholic church and they have shown me lots of love and Care. That I will never go back EVER. And I don't want my Family to set in there Church.
I saw your response to this video first, it made this one funnier than it normally would have been haha.
I can teach anyone who wants to know those handshakes. I as an unbeliever got a recommend once, however I won't share how I got it, I will share what I saw on the inside of my "endowment" though haha.
The handshakes and other things that you refer too, are to the best of my understanding, more symbolic in nature than literal. As to why we choose not to talk about, things like what you are asking about, outside of the temple I would suggest you turn to the New Testament and try to learn why it is that Jesus Christ, several times, told people to not tell anyone about various things. I think that would help anyone with the question you are posing.
Because some things although simple is only relevant in certain settings, nothing stranger than that, only symbolic and a focus point. Since all in temple are about eternity and related to things eternal, it is natural to leave it for those settings and also a lot depend on th eperson visiting, it is all really about having peace and a reflective atmosphere. If you like to erase all troubles of day to day life to attempt a more reflective and spiritual setting (NO visitors) and attitude.
WHY DOES GOD HATE LIARS?...Anytime a streetpreacher is confronted by anyone on the road because of their loud mouths using their megaphones, they will cry persecutions on you or cry Jesus haters on you or even cry Christian haters on you. So why do Mormons hate you? Simple...'cause you're a liar dude! Have a good week.
I think you are being called a liar because Mormons do not teach that if you don't know a secret password that you will go to hell. That is simply not true. I think this has taken the wind out of your satirical sails.
@leSavaii You wouldn't know a lie if it bit you in ass. If you can't understand that Joseph Smith was a liar, then you deserved to be lied to, the rest of your life. Stay off of youtube, and continue living your life believing that Indians are Jewish, that Joseph was a man of God who found golden plates of writing, that you have to know secret handshakes to get into heaven and that you must live your life to the book of mormon because that's all you really have until you learn to think.
Where is all this stuff about secret handshakes and phrases and stuff coming from? I am LDS and i have never even heard of any handshake or anything of that sort until hearing about it on youtube last week.
there is a difference between hate and disagreeing, if you are doing it in a horrible harsh way then it is hateful.. And it isnt funny, I would not mock something that I dont know about in regards to anything or anyone.
Jesus said not to cast pearls before swine, because they will tread those pearls under thier feet like they were nothing. Pearls - in this case sacred truths - are not given to those who are not ready for them, given your sarcastic aproach to this topic, I'd say your not mature enough, but that not for me to judge. Read 1 Corinthians 2:14
I wanna know this secret hand shake too. I am a mormon and i know nothing of this.... apparently it's real cuz I've seen mormons say it is on other videos. I guess you and I both are going to hell. see ya there brotha!!
Lol, your obivuously a very funny guy. Someone I would love to get to know more. People with caracter always make life more interesting. Hey I dont know the secret handshakes either and I am LDS. I make you a deal though. If you help support me to live my life according the gospel of Christ, Then Ill help you live your life rightousely as well. We can both have the opportuntiy to walk inside the house of the lord together. What do you say? It cant hurt.
Yobachi2007 Mormons say Christians ARE THE DEVILS INVENTION & they are as CORRUPT AS HELL
We talk about Christianity, but it is a perfect pack of nonsense... Myself and hundreds of the Elders around me have seen its pomp, parade, and glory; and what is it?It is a sounding brass and a tinkling symbol; it is as corrupt as hell; and the Devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century.(LDS Mormon journal of discourses volume 6 page 167)
I want my own planet, too! REAL Christianity doesn't offer that!
thebryghtidea 3 months ago
nope. Mormon belief after life is much more complicated than heaven and hell. there is the celestial, terrestrial and tellestrial kingdoms being different parts of heaven according to them, most go to heaven. the only ones that go to hell are those that truly know the truth and choose to reject it and sin willingly. plus there is spirit prison until the final judgment which mostly involves God choosing which heaven to put you in. that's mormon
blakodeel 4 months ago
no you have got it wrong the mormons won't hate yopu unless you
1. leave the church
2.don't show any interest in joining their church
3.are gay
4. think differently
5. aren't a republican (Bush left office with over 60% approval rate in Utah )
6. are intelligent and think for yourself
WGBudd801 5 months ago
what i dont get about mormans is that they say they belive in Jesus Christ, and they say they use the bible to learn his word, but they ONLY use what they like. then they go and expect to become gods after they die, because they threw their life away! if they would stop seeing half the bible and realize all of it, they would realize that to be saved by Jesus Christ, you have to love him back! he loves them and they treat him like their boss.
S00praGuitarbr00tal 6 months ago
To assume that our Temple ceremonies have any validity, one must assume them to be true ordinances before God. And if they are indeed true, then we got them the way we said we did and are obliged to carry them out, the way we've been told to do. His is a typical anti Mormon protestation, which holds no water, as usual.
scubawrestler 6 months ago
@dirtykurt017
"Not ready to understand? That is the same argument EVERY cult with ridiculous beliefs uses."
So true. The Bible says that God gives understanding of his Word liberally. Telling people they cant be given the full tenants of a faith until some other human decides they're ready to recieve them is classic avoidance & hidding of insular religious sects
It's how the Free Masons operate with their different degrees, but maybe that's why the Mormon Temple has Mason symbols on it
Yobachi2007 6 months ago
@Yobachi2007 Christ also said "And he said unto them, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear" (Matt 11:15; 13:9 Mark 4:9, Revelation 3:6,13, 22 just to state a few verses)
bggruff05 6 months ago
Mormons are racist, that's why. They don't like to tell people this, but up until the 70s the only way you could go to heaven if you were black was as a slave to a white man. That's because they are all a bunch of Neo Nazi white supremacists.
RocketeerAndRoll 7 months ago
The secret handshake is done like this...1st you scratch your balls...then you scratch your partners balls...then while your scratching his balls you reach around and stick your finger in his ass, and he does likewise, then each of you lick each other fingers. After the fingers have been licked clean, you then sing "like a virgin" afterwards you have a coke and a smile! and light up a doobie.
JSeely218 9 months ago
The fact is you don't understand Mormonism. We want you to go to heaven. We want you to experience the blessings of the Temple. God wants you to be Mormon. God wants you to experience the blessings of the Temple. The problem is you want meat before milk. Just like was said before, you are trying to understand calculus without knowing how to add. The fact is, there are steps to prepare to understand the things taught in the Temple, and you haven't gone through them.
stlmormonguy 10 months ago
@stlmormonguy
If God wants me to be Mormon, then why doesn't the Bible tell me that? God neglect to tell all his prophets this very important fact, and decide to wait until the thousands of years into humanity to only tell Joseph Smith? Now how shall I find that plausible?
Yobachi2007 6 months ago
@Yobachi2007 The Bible does tell you that, you've just been taught to ignore anything that supports the LDS point of view. LDS doctrine is close to the Bible than any other organized religion, it's just a fact.
jmhatutube 5 months ago
@Yobachi2007 Here is what you must do: First, talk to the LDS missionaries. Have them teach you the gospel as we understand it. Receive it with all readiness of mind, like the ancient Bereans, and like them, then search the scriptures (including the Book of Mormon, you must read that) to see if these things are not true. And, like Moroni says (Moroni 10:3-5) pray about it. God will manifest the truth to you, and you can come to the temple.
lindalds 5 months ago
@Yobachi2007 If you want a job somewhere and the job description says you need to know calculus, and you barely know your multiplication tables, do you honestly think you are going to get that job?
lindalds 5 months ago
the Funny thing is the ur confusing teachings in the LDS region, members of the church or mormons as you called them, believe all are intital to believe how they wish (fyi this not refering to any consquinces good or bad that may come from doing so). and they "secert hand shakes" better put as sacred isn't somethink they are holding from you to keep you out of heaven. just as someone can not understand calculus until they under stand the basic their is much that must be understood for everyone
bggruff05 1 year ago
just to put out; to point out a teaching tought at the Harvard Divity school (not run by "the Mormons") If u have a question/consern for another's religion 1st go 2 a member or that reigion (not thier critics or anyone who has left that religion) on acount of bias they will hold. the 2nd thing is compare beliefs (e.g. to Mormons; all can recieve anwsers from heaven> to Buddhism "Enlightenment is intile to all) and 3rd Leave room for holy envey (respect) from them. I wish u all find what u seek.
bggruff05 1 year ago
@bggruff05
The problem with going to die-hards of a religion, especially if you're dealing with single-minded adherents, is they're just as or more biased than then their critics in the other direction.
Again I'll reference the indisputable fact that the Book of Mormon has been changed. You will have Mormons deny this when this isn't a matter of faith, but actual fact. I need not ask a Mormon if this is true, I can simply pick up an older version & a current version and see this for myself.
Yobachi2007 1 year ago
@Yobachi2007 So I'm assuming you don't believe in the Bible either since it's been changed more times than the Book of Mormon?
jmhatutube 7 months ago
@jmhatutube no, actually. the bible has never been changed. the wording has been changed several times though, but i guess changing the language from greek to english or spanish or french counts in a mormon world.
S00praGuitarbr00tal 6 months ago
@S00praGuitarbr00tal Then you shouldn't have a problem with the Book of Mormon changes because it has been changed less significantly than the Bible.
It's funny though how you contradict yourself "the bible has never been changed. the wording has been changed..." I've heard plenty of Christian preach have problem with certain versions of the Bible, which means it has been changed with different meanings, quite often.
jmhatutube 6 months ago
@jmhatutube ok when i say the wording has been changed, i mean they change "thou art there" to " you are there" and thats the only thing in the bible, other than the language that has been changed! ever! but the book of mormon, and trust me i have compared newer and older versions of it, the ENTIRE meaning has been changed! in the 70's mormons were extremely racist! now they are just normally racist because the world has changed! and when the world changes, so do the liars and the tricked.
S00praGuitarbr00tal 6 months ago
@S00praGuitarbr00tal Sorry, but there is more changes in the Bible that just a "thou" to "you". Certain assumptions are made by different translators and so the meaning is done differently.
I've also done comparisons from current to previous and then to the manuscripts. Any difference was resolve with the manuscript because the typesetter/publisher got things wrong, not Jospeh.
Before you try to go any further, source your claims. Otherwise stop lying.
jmhatutube 6 months ago
@jmhatutube but the thing is, everyone has the same perspective on it because they actually reference other versions of the bible, in most bibles! it even references greek bibles, as in words and some verses where the wording was changed. seriously, with them always referencing each other, nothing changed. i DO kind of have a 40 year old bible in my house.
and also, i never said people changed the book of mormon by accident, im saying that your " high priests" changed it, kuz they wanted to.
S00praGuitarbr00tal 6 months ago
@S00praGuitarbr00tal Your absolutely wrong. While I don't personally own the versions I researched, I have compared the two and they actually don't have a basis of reference for their difference. They personally interpreted what they though the translation should mean.
As for the Book of Mormon, I'm waiting for your references. Otherwise you your just regurgitating the long refuted anti-Mormon garbage. You're not proving your point and don't have a leg to stand on.
jmhatutube 6 months ago
@jmhatutube i dont need to prove a point. all i need to know is that in all the debates that are between a christian and a mormon, the christian wins about 95% of the time. usually because mormons use 50% of the bible and reject the rest, change laws about their own religion so to better suit themselves, are very racist, have different laws that do and dont apply for different ranks (in the new testament it says all are equal) and are usually extremely defensive and like to change subjects.
S00praGuitarbr00tal 6 months ago
@S00praGuitarbr00tal When you make accusations you back them up, otherwise you look like an ignorant fool, which you seem to be ok with. You actually have everything backwards, which again proves how ignorant you really are. The Mormon church follows the doctrines of the Bible closer than any other organized religion. It's credal Christianity that wrongly interprets the Bible to fit their predetermined idea and tradition. Everyone of your statements is not only wrong, but laughable.
jmhatutube 6 months ago
@jmhatutube more closely? really? go look up Matthew 7:21-23. now isnt it true that mormon? believe that their works will save them? if so, then would this mean that you dont believe that this verse is true? well this is the teaching of Jesus Christ, our Lord God, and if you say you follow the word as closely as you say, than you wouldn't believe in your works. But since you do, you dont follow every word of God, so that makes you all Hippocrates.
S00praGuitarbr00tal 6 months ago
@S00praGuitarbr00tal First off, your a coward for not backing up your accusations. Secondly, it's ironic you bring up Matt. 7:21-23 since it's credal Christianity that professes salvation through a few sentences of "Lord Lord..." and then go on to profess in God's name with out His authority.
While Baptism is hit and miss with you guys, it's required in the Bible. No one else has apostles and prophets (although some are starting to call themselves apostles) the LDS doctrines r the most biblcl
jmhatutube 6 months ago
@jmhatutube all i can say is, joseph smith is a liar. isnt it true that mormons arent allowed to drink alcohol? well i know firsthand that joseph smith, your "prophet" was a drunk.and since allot has changed in the world, alot has changed in the LDS church
S00praGuitarbr00tal 6 months ago
@S00praGuitarbr00tal Seriously, another rant you know nothing about and only vomit hateful garbage. Yes, Joseph Smith drank, so did Brigham Young. Church members had to learn pieces at a time. the same way Jesus taught his apostles. Did you know Paul (as Saul) commissioned the murder of Christ's followers? Are you going to discount everything he did because of that?
People like you will continue to recycle long refuted garbage with no basis in fact. Backup your allegations or be a coward.
jmhatutube 6 months ago
@jmhatutube well, yes saul did. but he was forgiven, a thing only Jesus Christ can do. but seriously, all this, all this being around you and me. doesnt matter. what happens after is what matters right now. and it says in that there verse, that Jesus Christ will declare to all who do not follow the will of God, "i never knew you." and what does he care about you, your not his friend. your not, really anyone important really. so why should he die for someone he doesnt know? would you?
S00praGuitarbr00tal 6 months ago
@S00praGuitarbr00tal Well, what every you're trying to say is more that just a little incomprehensible. If you're saying I'm not a follower of Christ and that he doesn't care about me, then you have a seriously flawed understand of who Christ is and what he has done. Christ died for everyone! He will give you every chance to accept him. But if you reject Christ and his doctrine/commandments He will not know you.
jmhatutube 6 months ago
@jmhatutube well since you just basicly said what i said but with some parts left out, i can honestly see that this whole thing is pointless. seriously, im not going to convince you of anything, and vice versa. nothing will change in ether of us, and if you think that you "won" then i can say you never really looked at the bible with an open mind. if you dont care, then i hope you have a good life man
S00praGuitarbr00tal 6 months ago
@S00praGuitarbr00tal Pointless? Likely yes. I read the WHOLE Bible objectively and not just a few versus given by a preacher or whatever. Ironically the Bible only strengthens the LDS position because much of the Bible is practiced only by the LDS Church. Do what you want, all I really care about is following Christ - That is what keeps me in the LDS Church. BTW, you started this whole thing without even backing up your accusations. Pretty weak.
jmhatutube 6 months ago
@jmhatutube ok whatever. just stay with your contradictions and things of the sort. good luck with your life man. hope it goes a long ways.
S00praGuitarbr00tal 6 months ago
@S00praGuitarbr00tal Really?! How about I'll stay with the truth and stay with what ever it is you call it. Remember, you never specifically pointed anything out. All your statements were general. I would have had not problem addressing specifics, but I don't think you really had any.
jmhatutube 6 months ago
@jmhatutube .....whatever just drop it. even if i had 100% specific things that whole time, you wouldve just came out exactly as you are. no different. still the same. you wouldn't have cared. you wouldve said the exact same things. just drop everything and whatever
S00praGuitarbr00tal 5 months ago
@S00praGuitarbr00tal See, that's just it. You will never have anything close to 100% because your accusations are a lie. Worse than that, you showed NOTHING. You showed nothing because you have nothing. All I care about is truth and every time nitwits like come up with something that you've regurgitated from professional anti-Mormons, all it takes is a little contextual research to refute the claims. But since you not interested in the truth, have a great life and see you on the other side.
jmhatutube 5 months ago
@jmhatutube well, as it occurs, you didnt reference anythning directly ether. so, really you just served your self a huge plate of crap. seriously man look at yourself too. not just the other person jeez
S00praGuitarbr00tal 5 months ago
@S00praGuitarbr00tal Since you a beginner in this whole process let me help you out. Those who make specific accusations must back them up, otherwise he looks foolish. Those refuting specifics do so with their own facts. But since you stated nothing specific, how could one refute ambiguity (I know big word, look it up). Unless you're prepared to backup your statements, you need to let the adults work this out. Otherwise you look very ignorant. You must not mind that though.
jmhatutube 5 months ago
@jmhatutube well now im just laughing. because for the one thing i referenced, you had one less in there. seriously, if your going to call me ignorant for not referencing anything, then you are a hypocrite. because you reference nothing say your right, and then yell at everyone else for not doing it. so shutup if you cant think!
S00praGuitarbr00tal 5 months ago
@S00praGuitarbr00tal You referenced nothing. All you said was the Book of Mormon was changed and I said no more than the bible. Where's the reference? Your statement was general, so was my rebuttal. Again, read very slowly if it will help. General accusations are hollow and and since you didn't have any facts, I called you out. I've got a whole pile if facts so as soon as you want to have an adult conversation, I'm ready. Otherwise keep you assumptions to yourself.
jmhatutube 5 months ago
@jmhatutube i actually did reference something. Matthew 7:21-23. and yes, your right about that next part. and th next. that next part is laughable. you hold yourself over me and everyone else dont you? i make a general accusation, you do the same. i reference something, you say you follow it closer than me. when you cant see what its saying. i referenced more that you, which means ive put out more facts. more facts which means your just being a hypocrite.
S00praGuitarbr00tal 5 months ago
@S00praGuitarbr00tal Your Matt. reference as nothing whatsoever to do with your initial accusation. You said the Book of Mormon was changed without anything to back it up. After I called you on it, you referenced Matt. as a way to fell like you had some moral high-ground, even though the Matt reference supports the LDS view much more so that the traditional Christian view. Face it, you can't support you initial argument - you put out nothing.
jmhatutube 5 months ago
@jmhatutube ok now your changing the subject. just like so many mormons before you. yes its true, i did not have anything to back it up, but you said the bible was changed MORE than the book or mormon, and YOU have nothing to back it up. then the whole reference thing. and that Matt. reference says that your works will not save you! you may prophesy in his name and cast out demon is his name! but if you do not know him he will not know you! if he does not know you....well you understand.d
S00praGuitarbr00tal 5 months ago
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@jmhatutube ok now your changing the subject. just like so many mormons before you. yes its true, i did not have anything to back it up, but you said the bible was changed MORE than the book or mormon, and YOU have nothing to back it up. then the whole reference thing. and that Matt. reference says that your works will not save you! you may prophesy in his name and cast out demon is his name! but if you do not know him he will not know you! if he does not know you....well you understand.
S00praGuitarbr00tal 5 months ago
@bggruff05 To explore the truth take up both sides of the issue and make comparisons. Don't ask the pope and don't ask the Hierarchy. Mormonism posits strange un Christian doctrine and practices. Like Race. In the NT we read that the curse is removed and all are one under JC. In Mormonism we are stuck in the OT and ALL the shit that comes with it, like Race. Acts 8: an Ethiopian Eunuch of Queen Candide hears the word and baptized just like that. Impossible in Mormonism and Judaism; BLACK EUNUCH
IExposeMormonism 1 year ago
@bggruff05
I think you've missed the point of the vid by being overly literal about doctrine, when arguing doctrine is not actually the point.
The point is that just as many Mormons often in debate about things that are even historical fact, like the fact that things in Book of Mormon have been changed; just as manycall it hate for you point such things out, if that method is pointed back at them then I'm showing how I can erroneously classify their actions as hate if I wish to mis-classify.
Yobachi2007 1 year ago
@bggruff05 It isn't a matter of understanding. Your analogy fails because calculous isn't hidden from anybody wether they can understand it or not. There's no church holding calculus in secrete while simultaneously claiming it's the only way to God.
Yobachi2007 6 months ago
@Yobachi2007 Check out Cor 4:1 which states that Christ's ministers are stewards of the mysteries of God. There are plenty of references to "mysteries of God" that are only valuable and available to those properly prepared to receive them. You guy pick and choose what you want to see in the Bible and if it doesn't fit you Christian worldview then you ignore it.
jmhatutube 5 months ago
when god ask a mormon what did they do to enter heaven..the mormon will say,,,i gave all my money to the mormon church...gave my childrens collage money to the mormon church..i sold my house and we all live in a tent and i gave all the money from the house to the mormon church!!!! i even made my family eat only one meal a day and then gave the rest to the church just to build temples then god shuts out....REAL MORON COMING THRU!!!!!
MsAlicewonderful 1 year ago
oh i guess i just love the mormons now.
CharlieConcepts 1 year ago
why can't he be in #1? God loves him just as much as anyone else...... why would God even separate heaven? is anyone on this earth better than anyone else? Am i better than anyone else? OH HELL NA!!!!!!!!! i know where i'm going though. it's an easy destination to predict, if you know that God is love. blessed be
JustMikeable 1 year ago
You can get to Heaven Brother, just not the top one, but don't be feared, lots of Room in Heaven #2 and Heaven #3
But then I think you knew that all along.
rd1999 1 year ago
@rd1999
So there's segregation in Heaven, too! G-wiz, a brotha can't catch a break.
Do I have to go through the back pearly gates to get in? Can I even drink from the same Heavenly springs as you good Mormon people, or do the rest of us Christians have to drink from the seperate but equal springs, and eat from the seperate but equal Tree Of Life?
Yobachi2007 6 months ago
lots of good Mormons going to be in Heaven 2 & 3 as well. But don't worry you get to the top Heaven in the end we just are not allowed to teach that yet.
rd1999 6 months ago
mormons judge the shit out of everyone. they can say they don't all they want but we know. i moved to utah from vegas....i know.
CharlieConcepts 1 year ago
@CharlieConcepts That's funny cause if not for Mormons there would be no Vegas LMAO
UtahRaider 1 year ago
surely your not that dumb weak sounding fag,your a black person that's why.plus their is a battle for your soul,now mormons want to win souls for satan,they will let you join their church,but secretly call you a stupid ni--er.
treeyard1 1 year ago
Honestly, I can't think of another religion that requires a money and a secret hand shake to get into heaven.
awolLDSasap 1 year ago
there are no secret handshakes and no secret phrases
gman2024 1 year ago
@gman2024 that's what they want you to thank
EpicLeafNinja 1 year ago
Don'cha know? It's because them mormons want a "white" heaven. I'm glad I'm not the only one who's noticed that their church is like a secret society almost as closed as the masons or skull and bonesmen.
jaethenfalcon 1 year ago
Hello, my friend. I don't hate you. You are welcome to receive all of the ordinances and covenants that are offered by the church. The only condition, is that you believe that the teachings of the church are true. Inasmuch as you do not believe that they are true, why would you or anyone want to receive covenants or ordinances in which they clearly do not believe? They are sacred to us, and are offered to all who choose to believe. You are free to choose as you wish. Best wishes.
lwbgomail 1 year ago
@lwbgomail HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHHHHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHA, OH WOW HARD TO STOP LAFFIN..........AHHHHH.........I BELIEVE THE TEACHINGS OF THE MORMON CHURCH ARE TRULY SATANIC.......
eitoobmiz 1 year ago
fuck mormons i have a mormon cousin and i dont like him or any mormon hahahahahaha
killercookie777 1 year ago
@killercookie777
This video is not about "fuck mormons," we don't have to take it there. We can disagree or not like what we don't like with out all that.
Yobachi2007 1 year ago
@Yobachi2007ok i shouldnt of said that lol
killercookie777 1 year ago
funny. And just as funny, all the serious, earnest comments! lol
CobinRain 1 year ago
@CobinRain I know right. They're missing the point and flipping out.
Yobachi2007 1 year ago
Mormons do not believe in the simplistic heaven/hell concept. And, no, hate is definitely not part of our faith.
Troul478 1 year ago
@Troul478 We don't really want to talk about the Mormons concept of Heaven and Hell do we, with their space aliens having polygamy in the hear after, and their different layers of Heaven depending on how good you are?
Yobachi2007 1 year ago
@Yobachi2007 1 Corinthians 15:40-42: "There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial; but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for one star differeth from another star in glory. SO ALSO IS THE RESURRECFTION OF THE DEAD..."
If Paul wants to talk about this wonderful teaching, why don't you?
Troul478 1 year ago
@Troul478 LMAO, and this supports space alien polygamy and different layers of Heaven, how?
You can pull as many isolated passage out of the Bible without context that you want, to try and twist, but the Bible tells us to compare line upon line, scripture upon scripture. Which is to say the word is congruent and trying to take a few lines in isolation to make them out to say what you want doesn't work.
Yobachi2007 1 year ago
@Yobachi2007 Was the polygamy Abraham, Jacob or Solomon practiced "space alien polygamy", too? What do you mean by with this expression? Do you say that the patriarchs of the Bible were some kind of freaks?
You are trying to avoid the question. In the light of your immense wisdom and in the context of the Bible, what does the passage from 1 Corinthians mean? What do you think. Please stop spreading propaganda and present a few facts.
Troul478 1 year ago
@Troul478 Uhh, you didn't ask a question.
So now you're trying to use Abraham, Jacob and Solomon to say polygamy is okay. Are you LDS? I thought LDS were against polygamy now. So by justifying it you prove that LDS haven't changed, they only changed their religion for politics. Wow, some kind of faith that changes based on what the government tells you is right.
1 Cor means what it says, and doesn't say anything about having sex with multiple wives in Heaven. At least start with verse 35.
Yobachi2007 1 year ago
@Yobachi2007 My view is just more balanced than yours. The fact that I do not CONDEMN polygamy does not say that I am a polygamist or in favor of practicing it.
You know, at times when the authority was on the earth there have always been changes and adaptations in the Church of God because God spoke through prophets and apostles. Only after an apostacy the Church closed the canon of scripture and said God stopped speaking for good. The power then went to preachers who got no revelations.
Troul478 1 year ago
@Yobachi2007 In 1 Corinthians Paul speaks about different bodies and degrees of glory in the ressurection. The whole chapter is about the resurrection of the dead. So the context is absolutely clear.
Let me ask you one question: According to your view. can someone who practices polygamy be saved?
Troul478 1 year ago
@Troul478 You can try and twist the Word all you want, it still says what it says. The whole chapter is about the resurrection. It talks about the human body vs beast and birds. Then in verse four it says there is a terrestrial body (the 1 you have now) vs the celestial body (the 1 you will have post resurrection). This is understood when u follow the context of the chapter instead of trying to twist the Word to justify ur perversion
Paul is addressing how the dead & decomposed can have a body.
Yobachi2007 1 year ago
@Yobachi2007 This is the way people have been dealing with the Bible through the century. They make up their own theories and twist the verses around until it seems to match their own favorite interpretation. You really should not do that.
1 Corinthians 15:41 talks about THREE different levels of glory in the ressurrection. You only mention TWO different types of body. How would you define the "glory of our earthly bodies"? And what is the "third heaven" in 2 Corinthians 12:2?
Troul478 1 year ago
@Troul478 "can someone who practices polygamy be saved?"
I don't make that decision. I leave it to the only qualified being in existence to make such determinations.
All have sinned and come short of the Glory of God. Yet, the Bible does not sanction polygamy and expressly states that TWO people, a man & woman cleave together, becoming one flesh. Not a man & 5.
Rev 22: 18-19 warns against adding to the word, and taking away from it; and those who do being taken out of the book of salvation.
Yobachi2007 1 year ago
@Yobachi2007 So, neither you nor I will judge these people. Agreed. Nevertheless, would you say that it was a crazy idea of Abraham to take 3 wives and of Jacob to take 4 wives? And yet Matthew 8:11 states clearly: "...That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham; and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven."
I promise you, I would never add anything to the Book of Revelations. Do you know when and how the books of the Bible were collected into one volume?
Troul478 1 year ago
@Troul478 Right, and the Bible also said David was a man after God's own heart, even though he murdered someone. Just because someone may have gained their righteousness, that doesn't mean God condones what they did, or that what they were sinless, hence, "All have sinned and come short of the Glory of God."
Highlighting someones sin, and trying to justify yourself with it is lunacy.
That quote does not pertain just to the Book of Rev, it' pertains to God's whole Word, and yes, I'm familiar .
Yobachi2007 1 year ago
@Yobachi2007 Are you sure you still know what you are talking about? Do you really say that I want to justify myself with the sin of someone else? What kind if sin am I trying to justify with what kind of sin of someone else?
You are the one who is trying to condemn someone (us!). I would never do such a thing because I know that we are all sinners. Judge not that you be not judged!
"Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it..." Deut 4:2.
Troul478 1 year ago
@Troul478 You tried to use Abraham and company to justify polygamy. It's in black and white next to your user name, so stop playing dumb.
Telling the Word of God isn't condemning. If you feel condemned, then you feel condemned by the Word. Your feelings at hearing the Word are for you to deal with; it's not on me.
But typical Mormon retreat when faced with the Word of God, or any historical truth. "Stop condemning me by speaking the truth." Exactly why I made this video.
Yobachi2007 1 year ago
@Yobachi2007 I used Abraham to make you start thinking. Finally. The word of God is not condemning to me. Your twisted interpretation of it is. Your video is BS, of course. It is as if I said: "I can't become President of the United States of America, because I was not born in the USA. Why do the Americans hate me so?"
You know, the admonition not to judge anybody is not just a meaningless phrase in an old book. It is fully applicable to us today. And I would advise you to heed it.
Troul478 1 year ago
@Yobachi2007 In order to end our nice little discussion about polygamy: Why don't you simply give me the verse from the Bible which generally and expressly forbids the practice of polygamy?
Troul478 1 year ago
No mormon hates you and I know for sure you are going to heaven. Jesus made sure of that. We are not better than you. Sorry if we gave you that impression; we are all God's children and He is no respecter of persons.
He doesn't want us to suffer in hell eternally. The only question is: Do you want to be with God? or be like Him? "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.(Matt 5:48)
"secret handshakes" do you no good if your heart is not right with God
firstgeir 1 year ago
If you are not a bad person you won't go to hell. everyone knows that.
You may not be able to enter the celestial kingdom. but you wont go to hell.
P.s. I AM MORMON!
I don't hate you! :)
rainbowlove1414 1 year ago
I hear weakness. Sorry.
209Hmooblis 1 year ago
They hate you because you're part of the seed of Cain. Don't you know why Mormons are racist? :) Fuck them.
lamjer68 1 year ago
Mormons dont hate you.
Zella456 1 year ago
what secret hand shake? they probable hate you because your black. and we all know the blacks killed Jesus
trailertrashrnr 1 year ago
@trailertrashrnr Oh no! I can tell you if your black they will call you a nigger behind your back.Nice church huh.
Chris242tt 1 year ago
You have no idea what your talking about. Go to a mormon church they welcome all.
Zella456 1 year ago
@Zella456 I do know what I'm talking about.
Will they show me the secrete hand shakes and give me the secrete celestial password when I get there?
Yobachi2007 1 year ago
@trailertrashrnr No, that was the Native American Jews.
Yobachi2007 1 year ago
MORMONS ARE TOTALLY DELUDED, they got their endowment sessions for their temples directly from freemasonry rituals, its not a requirement, its just a fear element that is drummed into the brains of committed Mormons who feel they are in the right when they are not, by the way, Joseph smiths youngest wife was 14, now that would make him a pedophile wouldnt it, his second youngest wife was 16, mormon rituals are not a requirement for immortality and eternal life, and exaltation is just false.
billymeier182 1 year ago
@billymeier182 the love the way you ignorant people throw around words with out really knowing what they mean.
trailertrashrnr 1 year ago
@trailertrashrnr I know exactly what my words mean, by the way, I don't think Mormons know exactly what their supposed to believe in because they profess to be Christian but unfortunately their beliefs are not based on the bible whereas the beliefs of christians are, are you saying Im spreading around shit,
billymeier182 1 year ago
I agree. Mormons hate me and I AM mormon. I wish they would tell me the secret handshake and the secret phrases. If you find it out will you tell me?
jlmcbride1 1 year ago
me too. I am Mormon and haven't been told any of these "secrets"
pilottim79 1 year ago
nicely worded Yobachi
thesiRisacc 2 years ago
Ha, you believe a video you saw on youtube? Ha ha, get your facts straight man. Lol. Have you tried talking to a bishop from the LDS church?
If you want to make up excuses like "all mormons hate me..." to avoid going to church or to try and use it as an excuse to make yourself the victim; then it's all good man. Just grow up already and accept that everything on the internet isn't true.
Anyway, let me know what you think. I'd like to argue on the internet, it makes me feel cool.
ProjectTheLife 2 years ago
The secret handshakes are suppose to get you "through" the pearly gates quicker. Not knowing the handshakes does not mean you go to hell {according to LDS} it just means you are less likely to get exalted as they think they will. It also means we may become their servants (ie, slaves) for eternity. In one sense, being a slave to a Mormon god is like being in hell.
lgazzini 2 years ago
I agree. A lot of Mormons I know spend a lot of time thinking and talking about how great they were in the pre-earth life. They talk and act like they're going to be the next prophet. People stereotype me into being a goody-goody Molly Mormon just because I am a fifth-generation Mormon. That's just goes along with their idea of how the world works. And whenever I do something wrong, they judge me the harder for it.
jlmcbride1 1 year ago
If Mormons hate you, and I do not know any who do -- it could be because you are Anti-Mormon.
Surely you can understand how some might take offense at that.
ImLDSRU2 2 years ago
Everything you people say here is recorded in heaven everyone knows that for a fact, if you want clarification on any of Mormonisn talk to the Mormon Missionaries yo! but don't ask about the temple cause thats not just secret, its sacred like your privacy in your shower kind of sacred
OwRdrKsTdAySBeCk 2 years ago
@OwRdrKsTdAySBeCk "Everything you people say here is recorded in heaven"
What, that's supposed to be a threat? Typical. It's all you've got instead of a logical retort, or even scripture to back you up.
Yobachi2007 2 years ago
Revelations about the books and things being recorded....its a good read. You should check it out sometime......is that scripture enough for ya?
pilottim79 1 year ago
Seriously the temple is like my shower? I get naked with my wife in the shower pretty frequently does that mean its ok do that in the temple too? :D
Ammdar 2 years ago
It was an analogy....kinda like, your stomach is like a submarine, large and full of seamen.
pilottim79 1 year ago
@OwRdrKsTdAySBeCk speaking of being recorded in heaven, were not the crimes of joseph smith recorded in heaven also, because they certainly were recorded in the records of the earth, and if you want to see a good source, "the 19th wife' by ann elizer young, she was a member who knew joseph smith and brigam young, she saw the mormon movement happen, and it wasnt written by the ex mormons for jesus.
billymeier182 1 year ago
@OwRdrKsTdAySBeCk Because 19 year olds have all the answers on the Book they probably haven't read since they were 8 right? Makes total sense....oh wait
lamjer68 1 year ago
Temple momonism is freemasonry. Freemasonry is BAAL WORSHIP. Read Ezekiel 8 for the origin of masonry. Joe Smith came up w/ the 'endowment' 2 months after he became a mason.
Temple mormons worship BAAL & they dont even know it- Satan is laughing his ass off at them.
blackblade789 2 years ago
man, haven't got my freemason membership card yet....dang. I got ripped off.
pilottim79 1 year ago
you just go in to the pres & declare yourself righteous and holy. then you get the club card. (dont sin after that! they'll take it back)
Then you get Magic Underpants with symbols on them of the same tools they used to build the Tower of Babel,.. see?? JoeSmith was right, its all about building yourself up to heaven! Jesus just kind of smooths out the leftover rough spots eh...
blackblade789 1 year ago
wow, you are awesome at making up stuff about the Mormon church. I have seen many, but you have a gift. You should do this all the time. Or better yet, get on the internet and broadcast it to millions to try to misinform them as much as possible and bear as much false witness as you can against those evil Mormons.
Mormons eat children. Yum yum yum
pilottim79 1 year ago
pilottim79 I've been a mormon since birth- thru the temple &on a mission. My forbearers were handcart pioneers. I challenge you to study ancient mystery schools of babylon- origins of masonry & your own church doctrines. They are all a reflection of Satans boast to be like God through his own merits.
When you tell me Im just 'making it up' you sound like the typical LDS wetback who hasnt gotten much past "popcorn popping on the apricot tree."
blackblade789 1 year ago
thanks for confirming my belief that you are a bigot. I am not a "wetback" but I love the latino people. I am sorry that you are such a racist, bigot, but hey it takes all kinds.
pilottim79 1 year ago
pilottim79 Ive heard the term wetback used in the past as an abreviated way to say "wet behind the ears" -that is what I meant by that, even if I used it somewhat incorrectly. so, sorry. not a bigot
You really got excited when you thought you had some petty point to attack me on though, however irrelevant it was to the topic.
And that confirms my belief that You are an intellectual coward. Go learn some things, read the bible & so on, this is like taking candy from a baby..
blackblade789 1 year ago
sorry, Bro', You'll have to join the Prince Hall Freemason chapter. It's gods law
IExposeMormonism 2 years ago
What?? We don't hate you!! We love you!! We WANT you to go to heaven with us! There are no secret handshakes or secret phrases to get into heaven. The only thing there is to do is to have faith in the Church, repent, be baptized, and endure to the end. Entering the temple plays a huge role in your salvation as well. But you can't enter the temple unless you have taken the first steps which include baptism.
Arenelda 2 years ago
I was a Mormon and I can PROMISE you there are secret handshakes and a name you are given. You get them in the temple. What "Arenelda" is trying to hide is that Mormons think you can get into the3rd degree of Heaven. If you want to go all the way though (to the 1st degree of the celetisla kingdom, or "heaven") you must have the signs and tokens of the priesthood (which includes the handshakes/name).
ToolFan68 2 years ago
Sorry I had a typo. That is spelled "celestial kingdom"
ToolFan68 2 years ago
When I said bug I meant big. Sorry.
Arenelda 2 years ago
It's a joke right?
I promise you you will be just fine:))))
Start painting! more
synnell2001 2 years ago
I used to be a Mormon. I got out of the mormon Church because. People say if you need the help we will help you. I was going through a hard time and I turned to my Bishup and he told me that he could not help me what so ever. I was very upset. I now have join the catholic church and they have shown me lots of love and Care. That I will never go back EVER. And I don't want my Family to set in there Church.
Ma88502 2 years ago
shut the fuck up. jesus christ mormons are so mindless
alexrad1 2 years ago
I saw your response to this video first, it made this one funnier than it normally would have been haha.
I can teach anyone who wants to know those handshakes. I as an unbeliever got a recommend once, however I won't share how I got it, I will share what I saw on the inside of my "endowment" though haha.
CommieThreat 2 years ago
The handshakes and other things that you refer too, are to the best of my understanding, more symbolic in nature than literal. As to why we choose not to talk about, things like what you are asking about, outside of the temple I would suggest you turn to the New Testament and try to learn why it is that Jesus Christ, several times, told people to not tell anyone about various things. I think that would help anyone with the question you are posing.
JosephKemper 2 years ago
well said
ZorroTech88 2 years ago
im a morman and i have never heard of a secret hand shake nor phrase to get into heven. faith and humility will get you a long way.
have a lovely week.
mzluvcooking92 2 years ago
Either you are not a mormon or you are a child.
ighter4 2 years ago
Why won't they show you the secret handshakes and secrets passwords? Because you are not WORTHY. HELLO! LOL.
chriscb 2 years ago 2
Because some things although simple is only relevant in certain settings, nothing stranger than that, only symbolic and a focus point. Since all in temple are about eternity and related to things eternal, it is natural to leave it for those settings and also a lot depend on th eperson visiting, it is all really about having peace and a reflective atmosphere. If you like to erase all troubles of day to day life to attempt a more reflective and spiritual setting (NO visitors) and attitude.
synnell2001 2 years ago
WHY DOES GOD HATE LIARS?...Anytime a streetpreacher is confronted by anyone on the road because of their loud mouths using their megaphones, they will cry persecutions on you or cry Jesus haters on you or even cry Christian haters on you. So why do Mormons hate you? Simple...'cause you're a liar dude! Have a good week.
leSavaii 2 years ago
No I'm not a liar; and you simply calling me names with no substantiation of your accusation doesn't make me so.
You have whatever kind of week you want being the kind of person you are; but I really don't care.
Yobachi2007 2 years ago
Also I think you misunderstand,
Mormons do not believe anyone goes to hell, it is not a place but a state of existance,
also that you will be given a chance to learn and accept all truth
but remember who you are now and how you behave now will probably be the same after you die, so you will probably deny the truth then also.
ZorroTech88 2 years ago
I think you are being called a liar because Mormons do not teach that if you don't know a secret password that you will go to hell. That is simply not true. I think this has taken the wind out of your satirical sails.
allzago 2 years ago
@leSavaii You wouldn't know a lie if it bit you in ass. If you can't understand that Joseph Smith was a liar, then you deserved to be lied to, the rest of your life. Stay off of youtube, and continue living your life believing that Indians are Jewish, that Joseph was a man of God who found golden plates of writing, that you have to know secret handshakes to get into heaven and that you must live your life to the book of mormon because that's all you really have until you learn to think.
lamjer68 1 year ago
Where is all this stuff about secret handshakes and phrases and stuff coming from? I am LDS and i have never even heard of any handshake or anything of that sort until hearing about it on youtube last week.
srhdrummerfool 2 years ago
Have you gone through the Temple?
Yobachi2007 2 years ago
Yes, many times. I have gone and personally done temple work many times.
srhdrummerfool 2 years ago
Hilarious :) Good job good sir!
saldownik 2 years ago
Thank you :D
Yobachi2007 2 years ago
So... what do you really think about LDS?
Criterionx9 2 years ago
Buddy.
This is only funny cos your trolling and Mormons are fools.
God damned fools (y'know for te lulz)
(....of a dead guy...who was a pedo, murderer, heretic, liar and err.....polygamist lol cow etc etc)
LUZRAR IZ MOARMANSZ - i know that killed it but hey...they gotta learn em' some how...
Quasiguambo 2 years ago
This isn't funny and Mormons dont hate you please.. you shouldnt mock something that is good, it is disrespectful
GillianKH 2 years ago 2
Baseless-ly calling people hateful every time someone disagrees with a Mormon isn't good. That's the point. That's disrespectful.
I don't respect people making false accusations.
And this is funny.
Yobachi2007 2 years ago
there is a difference between hate and disagreeing, if you are doing it in a horrible harsh way then it is hateful.. And it isnt funny, I would not mock something that I dont know about in regards to anything or anyone.
GillianKH 2 years ago
Jesus said not to cast pearls before swine, because they will tread those pearls under thier feet like they were nothing. Pearls - in this case sacred truths - are not given to those who are not ready for them, given your sarcastic aproach to this topic, I'd say your not mature enough, but that not for me to judge. Read 1 Corinthians 2:14
makareini 2 years ago
Sarcasm doesn't at all indicate immaturity; that's a false, unsubstantiated, and intellectually weak premise.
Yobachi2007 2 years ago
I'm glad God gave us the secret handshake to get into heaven. Haha suck it fags
Havokfist 2 years ago
We love you so much sir, ahaha HIGH FIVE!, Pound it! Explode it, there the mormon hand shake you can go to heaven now. haha.
doodlerboy1 2 years ago
I wanna know this secret hand shake too. I am a mormon and i know nothing of this.... apparently it's real cuz I've seen mormons say it is on other videos. I guess you and I both are going to hell. see ya there brotha!!
234candy 2 years ago
just put secrete mormon handshake into your youtube search engine, and a few different vids showing it will come up.
The one entitled "Freemason Handshake" show's it the clearest and most detailed.
Yobachi2007 2 years ago
Thanks that was very helpful. Apparently you learn it in the temples... weird shit.
234candy 2 years ago
He he, I'll say.
Yobachi2007 2 years ago
Lol, your obivuously a very funny guy. Someone I would love to get to know more. People with caracter always make life more interesting. Hey I dont know the secret handshakes either and I am LDS. I make you a deal though. If you help support me to live my life according the gospel of Christ, Then Ill help you live your life rightousely as well. We can both have the opportuntiy to walk inside the house of the lord together. What do you say? It cant hurt.
marcopolo8765 2 years ago
MORMON SCRIPTURES in 2009 say when people are BAD Mormon God CURSES them BLACK
"...they WERE WHITE...and DELIGHTSOME...Lord God did cause a SKIN OF BLACKNESS to come upon them(Book of Mormon 2 Nephi 5:21)"
when people become GOOD the MORMON GOD TURNS there SKIN WHITE
"12...the Lamanites who had become converted unto the Lord did unite with their brethren,the Nephites...
15 And their curse was taken from them, and their SKIN became WHITE like unto the Nephites(Book of Mormon 3 Nephi 2:12-15)"
Ilegalplayer 2 years ago
Yobachi2007 Mormons say Christians ARE THE DEVILS INVENTION & they are as CORRUPT AS HELL
We talk about Christianity, but it is a perfect pack of nonsense... Myself and hundreds of the Elders around me have seen its pomp, parade, and glory; and what is it?It is a sounding brass and a tinkling symbol; it is as corrupt as hell; and the Devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century.(LDS Mormon journal of discourses volume 6 page 167)
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