Where have I been rude to you? Your the rude one. Tell me if DNR employees have told you harvesting is so bad, you are aware that DNR sells these tracts do you call your "friends" morals into question for working for a state agengy that sells not only geoducks but entire forest's in the sameway geoducks are sold. Who do you think signs off on these sales as being enviromentally sound Some proff's who wants money. Get over yourself and look at some of your own bias. I have not once insulted you
Modern natives are the most negative aspect of all commercial fishing... at least in Washington State.
It is absolutely INSANE to grant the natives 50% of all natural resources.
Especially when they pride themselves on taking every .001% of their treaty granted rights.
All species that natives target are royally fucked in and offshore.
Since the bolt decision, native commercial operations have been a plague on Washington State, and will be a death blow to more than one species in my lifetime.
clearly you have issues for one I did not comment on this but.......I have been in a relationship with a comercial geoduck diver that has been diving 12 years soooooooooooo....WHATEVER!!!
Commercial Divers pay $300 dollars a year for a license to dive. The geoducks they dive for are sold by the state of washington bidding starts at $250,000.00 for a small track and 90% of the market vaule goes back into the state aquatic lands fund which pays for all public docks and boat launchs. Commercial divers are not greedy. I was almost killed and after making the state roughly a million dollars over 2 years that I worked those tracks I did not even get L&I to pay for my $50,000.00 med bil
"commercials" refers to the industry, not the divers themselves..... who are ignorant and evil if they dont know or care what is happening as a result from pressure fishing.
other species share the habitat, increasing dead beds, fucked up geoduck aquaculture farming setups(which are REQUIRED in order not destroy the population).
geoduck might be the largest contributer to the benthic biomass, but without proper management and regulation, like any resource, it will be over-harvested by greed
The tracks that commercial divers get to harvest have to pass and EIS, Be approved by fish&wildlife, and be eel grass free. The natural beds do not get replanted by aqua culture they recover naturally, the fishery is managed tracks rotate between north/south sound 7 to 10 year cycle no more than 3 mil pounds are taken year between white/tribal divers. geoduck farms are different geoducks dont belong where farms plant them and are not harvested by divers. Divers dont like farms either.
i am more than aware of how the bidding process works for commercial beds....
i am also fairly sure i said "commercials".... i didnt separate natives or non-natives when i said "commercials"... anyways
your "regulations" are avoidable, have been avoided and will continue to be avoided.
i have personally witnessed and responded to multiple pressure fishing operations who have dumped FULL quotas of geoduck, to dig more profitable beds... obviously having zero ability to "dig", they all die.
Commercial divers are heavily restricted we have a DNR compliance vessal on site everyday of the dive, every boat weighs out everyday, we are dove on by DNR to make sure no geoducks are dumped before weigh out. Tribal divers are much less regulated than we are. We hate farms they undercut our labor rates, piss of the public who dont know there is a huge difference. Check some of facts before you call me ignorant. I can take you out on a boat and show you the difference let me know?
without the geoduck aquaculture, what would happen to the total population?
how fast would it decline without replacment
you counting on no harvesting under 70feet to produce all the geoduck for commercial and rec?
properly maintained farms are crucial to the success of geoduck.
pressure fishing one of the least sportsmen like methods of capture. it does massive destruction to ALL the surrounding habitat, eel grass or not... there are more important species besides herring and salmon....
The geoduck beds that the state sells are not replanted they replenish naturally as they have since the harvest began in the 70's beds that are harvested between 30-fsw adjusted for tide repopulate themselves. Dumping a full quota is insane no diver would do that it takes months to harvest a quota. divers are paid by the pound regardless of quality. have bad things happend in the past yes. Tell me one thing than man touches that doesnt have some negative effect?
30 to 70 fsw adjusted for tide sorry. geoducks that people dig on the beach are not the ones that commercial divers dig. We are not allowed to dig above 30feet regardless of tide the deeper limit is affected by tide. We will never agree on this. but i do agree that the private beach farms are and eye sore and try to put geoducks up the beach where they dont belong. PRIVATE shallow farms are the ones that require planting it is nearly impossible to plant underwater it has been tried.
Where is degree in spin and disinformation from? You were telling me that geoducks are replanted by aqua culture in the 30-70 fsw range which is 100% false so save your insults, you claimed that the divers are not regulated which they are. what have you said that is true? Don't call me bias when you cant get basic facts correct. You have repeatly proven that you know next to nothing about what acually happens out there? Have you been out with DNR to see how things are run? Talked with state bio?
if the harvesting is bad why are divers harvesting and reharvesting the same tracts? They are not replanted. The current managment plan is working just fine the population of wild geoduck is sustaining and repopulating it's self just fine. New track are raley opened the sameone's are rotated in and out as the geoducks repopulate the tracks. Do you even understand how it works? because it really seems like you dont.
@masterchief1271 Literally everybody agrees with you. Everyone, on the whole planet, ever. They would all say that same thing (in whatever language they spoke).
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16MirkoV4ever 2 years ago
Whats the best suit to harvest geo ducks
alaskandiver 2 years ago
I like a viking dive suit ....but many use a neoprene suit.
a1diver 2 years ago
beds are OFTEN over harvested and left for DECADES to "recover", just to be re-harvested as soon as the beds are "ready".... amazing!
regulations are twisted and commercial fishermen in general are looking for profit, not species protection in any way.
ive been out on 2 sep. native diving boats taking measurements.
and ive spoken to countless NOAA and DNR employees on the issue.
usually good friends or proffs.
you can attempt to twist what i say, but your wrong, biased, rude and w/o morals
eeeen321 2 years ago
Where have I been rude to you? Your the rude one. Tell me if DNR employees have told you harvesting is so bad, you are aware that DNR sells these tracts do you call your "friends" morals into question for working for a state agengy that sells not only geoducks but entire forest's in the sameway geoducks are sold. Who do you think signs off on these sales as being enviromentally sound Some proff's who wants money. Get over yourself and look at some of your own bias. I have not once insulted you
mi5jason 2 years ago
Modern natives are the most negative aspect of all commercial fishing... at least in Washington State.
It is absolutely INSANE to grant the natives 50% of all natural resources.
Especially when they pride themselves on taking every .001% of their treaty granted rights.
All species that natives target are royally fucked in and offshore.
Since the bolt decision, native commercial operations have been a plague on Washington State, and will be a death blow to more than one species in my lifetime.
eeeen321 2 years ago
clearly you have issues for one I did not comment on this but.......I have been in a relationship with a comercial geoduck diver that has been diving 12 years soooooooooooo....WHATEVER!!!
munkemunk 2 years ago
too bad commercial fisherman are not restricted to dig like everyone else, unstable fishery doesnt need more greedy commercials taking more and more.
eeeen321 3 years ago
Hater
munkemunk 2 years ago
Just cause you don't know what your talking about does not make me a "hater"...
making dumbshit statements like that makes you seem like a biased, fact ignorer....
eeeen321 2 years ago
Commercial Divers pay $300 dollars a year for a license to dive. The geoducks they dive for are sold by the state of washington bidding starts at $250,000.00 for a small track and 90% of the market vaule goes back into the state aquatic lands fund which pays for all public docks and boat launchs. Commercial divers are not greedy. I was almost killed and after making the state roughly a million dollars over 2 years that I worked those tracks I did not even get L&I to pay for my $50,000.00 med bil
mi5jason 2 years ago
"commercials" refers to the industry, not the divers themselves..... who are ignorant and evil if they dont know or care what is happening as a result from pressure fishing.
other species share the habitat, increasing dead beds, fucked up geoduck aquaculture farming setups(which are REQUIRED in order not destroy the population).
geoduck might be the largest contributer to the benthic biomass, but without proper management and regulation, like any resource, it will be over-harvested by greed
eeeen321 2 years ago
The tracks that commercial divers get to harvest have to pass and EIS, Be approved by fish&wildlife, and be eel grass free. The natural beds do not get replanted by aqua culture they recover naturally, the fishery is managed tracks rotate between north/south sound 7 to 10 year cycle no more than 3 mil pounds are taken year between white/tribal divers. geoduck farms are different geoducks dont belong where farms plant them and are not harvested by divers. Divers dont like farms either.
mi5jason 2 years ago
i am more than aware of how the bidding process works for commercial beds....
i am also fairly sure i said "commercials".... i didnt separate natives or non-natives when i said "commercials"... anyways
your "regulations" are avoidable, have been avoided and will continue to be avoided.
i have personally witnessed and responded to multiple pressure fishing operations who have dumped FULL quotas of geoduck, to dig more profitable beds... obviously having zero ability to "dig", they all die.
eeeen321 2 years ago
Commercial divers are heavily restricted we have a DNR compliance vessal on site everyday of the dive, every boat weighs out everyday, we are dove on by DNR to make sure no geoducks are dumped before weigh out. Tribal divers are much less regulated than we are. We hate farms they undercut our labor rates, piss of the public who dont know there is a huge difference. Check some of facts before you call me ignorant. I can take you out on a boat and show you the difference let me know?
mi5jason 2 years ago
without the geoduck aquaculture, what would happen to the total population?
how fast would it decline without replacment
you counting on no harvesting under 70feet to produce all the geoduck for commercial and rec?
properly maintained farms are crucial to the success of geoduck.
pressure fishing one of the least sportsmen like methods of capture. it does massive destruction to ALL the surrounding habitat, eel grass or not... there are more important species besides herring and salmon....
eeeen321 2 years ago
The geoduck beds that the state sells are not replanted they replenish naturally as they have since the harvest began in the 70's beds that are harvested between 30-fsw adjusted for tide repopulate themselves. Dumping a full quota is insane no diver would do that it takes months to harvest a quota. divers are paid by the pound regardless of quality. have bad things happend in the past yes. Tell me one thing than man touches that doesnt have some negative effect?
mi5jason 2 years ago
30 to 70 fsw adjusted for tide sorry. geoducks that people dig on the beach are not the ones that commercial divers dig. We are not allowed to dig above 30feet regardless of tide the deeper limit is affected by tide. We will never agree on this. but i do agree that the private beach farms are and eye sore and try to put geoducks up the beach where they dont belong. PRIVATE shallow farms are the ones that require planting it is nearly impossible to plant underwater it has been tried.
mi5jason 2 years ago
lol, are you telling me the geoduck on the tidelands are not the geoduck that are harvested? what the hell? ..ummmm, ok?
not sure where that came from.... never said that in ANY way......
i am WELL aware a very small % of the total geoduck are found on the tidelands...
i have more bivalve knowledge than you can fathom obviously.
you purposely ignore facts due to your massive bias and it shows...
save your 7th grade common knowledge geoduck info for your blindly biased commercial friends
eeeen321 2 years ago
Where is degree in spin and disinformation from? You were telling me that geoducks are replanted by aqua culture in the 30-70 fsw range which is 100% false so save your insults, you claimed that the divers are not regulated which they are. what have you said that is true? Don't call me bias when you cant get basic facts correct. You have repeatly proven that you know next to nothing about what acually happens out there? Have you been out with DNR to see how things are run? Talked with state bio?
mi5jason 2 years ago
if the harvesting is bad why are divers harvesting and reharvesting the same tracts? They are not replanted. The current managment plan is working just fine the population of wild geoduck is sustaining and repopulating it's self just fine. New track are raley opened the sameone's are rotated in and out as the geoducks repopulate the tracks. Do you even understand how it works? because it really seems like you dont.
mi5jason 2 years ago
once again you massively molest my words to make your point seem acceptable....
....wow!
i said NOTHING about geoducks being replanted by aqua culture in the 30-70' range.
i said divers cant get into those shallow depths to harvest...
do YOU know shit about the geoduck lifecycle?! how far egg and sperm drift?!
single beds do not solely depend on local geoduck from that bed to repopulate, it is a general area of broadcast.... miles of range.
beds are often overfished....
eeeen321 2 years ago
Geodick
puchu333 3 years ago
these things geoducks look very very similar to a dick...
masterchief1271 3 years ago 3
thats wut she sead!!!!!
teeku666 3 years ago
@masterchief1271 Literally everybody agrees with you. Everyone, on the whole planet, ever. They would all say that same thing (in whatever language they spoke).
autocon2002 11 months ago
That is one long geoduck... i want some
waya121 4 years ago
you would like some water penis wouldnt you
sucklava 4 years ago 7