not clean! Some of the particles on the surface are deposited in the grooves, which makes matters worse. Cleaning the surface is like sweeping a new sidewalk. Some of the dirt ends up in the cracks.
1) Dirt and dust become quite invisible when lodged in the grooves (looking clean is not clean)
2) cleaning cloths do not clean deep into the grooves (they drive more particles into them)
3) The stylus plays the grooves, not the surface
4) so why is this record guy cleaning the surface?
Brand new vinyl should be cleaned before allowing your stylus to pick up gunk left in the grooves from the pressing equipment.
.
There is a lot of discussion here about whether or not this cleaning method is safe for vinyl. I would not want any impurities building up on my stylus, too.
.
This guy might know the record business. But that does not make him an expert on what is safe for a stylus. Maybe he is an expert? I don't know.
And I have absolutely no motive to lie. Why would I want people to mess up their records? So they can travel all the way to our store to buy another Tom Petty record? That's just stupid and paranoid. We use this every day on every record...from cheap Police to Butcher covers. It's safe. Avoid the label if you can 'cause it can get funky on certain labels. That it's.
Now let's all just turn off our caps, back away from the computer, and go play some records for cryin' out loud.
Hi, this is Mark, the guy in the video. This product is perfectly safe to clean simple dust and dirt off vinyl. Of course a VPI is ideal, but some people just want to play some records for fun and do not want to spend the money on crazy expensive systems. Discwasher is great, but again it's like $20 bucks.
Look, if you're a super serious record collector with some insanely kick-ass system then this video is not for you. Why are you even looking at it?
Discwasher was the worst record cleaner invented. It will grind sludge into the grooves. Using glass cleaning is just ridiculous. If you have a sizable record collection, buy a Nitty Gritty or VPI record cleaner. Some reputable shops like The Audio Connection in Seattle even rent them. And buy an Audioquest carbon fiber brush. If you want to preserve the vinyl, apply LAST preservative afterwards. This record shop just doesn't want to go through the care and expense of cleaning records properly.
@LorenzoNW No way man. LAST is a scam. I have evidence in a few 'shootout' videos that shows breakdown of product and actually creating undue friction to stylus. You can see visible 'gunk' after 1/4 side after "last" is applied. We had a demo at a record show a few years back and even the "last" users had to agree. You don't need anything that costs over $1 an ounce. even 1/20th of Isopropal is better than any 'marketed ' record cleaner. Be a reputable person, use your head.
@oatstao I would love to see the video you're referring to. Everything I've read about LAST preservative is that it is not a coating; It's absorbed into the vinyl to harden the molecular surface. Aside from that, I would still recommend a carbon fiber brush over Discwasher any day since the Discwasher DOES grind dust into the record grooves. And a carbon fiber brush can also be used to demagnetize records. If someone has the money, a Nitty Gritty or VPI record cleaner does a great job.
@xxx69ajj69xxx Best bang for the buck (if you have a big collection and mid to high-end stereo) is a Clearaudio Smart Matrix Professional Record Cleaning Machine. And it cleans release agents from new records. If you don't have $1500 to spend, get an Audioquest carbon fiber brush for $15. It lifts dust out of the grooves instead of grinding it in. It also demagnetizes your records by holding the record in one hand and lightly touching the brush to the record surface twice (on opposite sides).
@Fonofilm Agreed 100% Cleaning records this way is a disaster. I can't believe this guy, who works at a record store would say this. That "new" corduroy Discwasher is a piece of garbage. The vintage one is better, but the fact remains is that this guy is all about not cleaning records at all. Too bad, really. Look around, there's incredible information here on how to properly clean vinyl. Total thumbs down, this.
@Gilsams Check a local record store or online for record cleaning kits. They are safe & affordable. A machine is pricey & so most people will do fine with the kits & regular maintenance. Microfiber is safe, but the record should be dusted off lightly before applying any cloth with pressure to avoid scuffing it up with the dust particles. Otherwise, they will just dig deeper into the vinyl. Dust your records before each play and before each washing. Hope this helps.
@goodvibesallround I didn't say anyone has lied. Get it right. I'm really trying to help but if you don't get the chemical action of common glass cleaners on vinyl, then it's your vinyl collection that is at risk. I think he's a fucking idiot..not a liar.. big difference bub.
@oatstao The dude owns a record store! He must clean hundreds of records a week! and i'm sure that he's tried various other methods. Who are you? do you own a store? have you tired different methods?
@goodvibesallround who the fuck are 'you'? why does it matter. Do I need to pin a fucking badge on my arm to talk about sensibility? No I need only information, knowledge, science and understanding of practice. You want fucking numbers buddy? To squelch your squak and make you sleep well at night? I've cleaned hundreds of thousands of LPs for many clients and sell worldwide. You can choose a side. I will use my will to do so also. Go use your caustic chemicals.
@goodvibesallround go ask the psychologist who understands very well why people in commerce lie every day. Now apply the science and read the fine print. Go read one of the top audio engineered direct to disc manufacturers (sheffield labs) and what THEY have to say about spray on products, including 'glass cleaner' one of the most volitile chemicals to use with vinyl . Where is the sensibility here? GO AHEAD - SPRAY AND RUIN YOUR VINYL.
@mukkohaha So if you average what I use, Caps lock for, you get the lower end of the spectrum. Go ahead-- use your brain to average. Now the subject. I capitalized for effect. Not for kicks. So I will disable my important tip. You call me a Troll. That is your subjective. You obviously know jack shit about commerce and what people will do for a buck.You gauge length of 'sales' to sensibility. That's your downfall. You better come with science. I have it, you just have insults.
@oatstao Your clearly not a caps lock troll, but reading your old comment i just got the wrong idea :p
But ! Yesterday i washed an old 1978 Dire straits LP ( which sounded like the most dirty shit ever ) I first washed it in Water and Dish cleaning soap,
Then i clened it with Glass Spray, Then i had it in a bowl of Chlorine for 20 minutes and then at last i washed it with a special thing that removes dried water.
Hello Rockaway. I used to love buying all different music items from you back in the 90's through Goldmine magazine. I just found this post and I am glad I connected with you again. Thanks for the cleaning tips. I look forward to more posts from you as well.
the first way looked good........but the second way was frightening.
posthumanhero 3 days ago
not clean! Some of the particles on the surface are deposited in the grooves, which makes matters worse. Cleaning the surface is like sweeping a new sidewalk. Some of the dirt ends up in the cracks.
1) Dirt and dust become quite invisible when lodged in the grooves (looking clean is not clean)
2) cleaning cloths do not clean deep into the grooves (they drive more particles into them)
3) The stylus plays the grooves, not the surface
4) so why is this record guy cleaning the surface?
TheFRiNgEguitars 1 week ago
the record stores i go to use a record cleaner
ThaMuzeekEnthuziest 1 month ago
"How to Clean Old Records"
.
Age is irrelevant.
.
Brand new vinyl should be cleaned before allowing your stylus to pick up gunk left in the grooves from the pressing equipment.
.
There is a lot of discussion here about whether or not this cleaning method is safe for vinyl. I would not want any impurities building up on my stylus, too.
.
This guy might know the record business. But that does not make him an expert on what is safe for a stylus. Maybe he is an expert? I don't know.
NoEgg4u 1 month ago 3
And I have absolutely no motive to lie. Why would I want people to mess up their records? So they can travel all the way to our store to buy another Tom Petty record? That's just stupid and paranoid. We use this every day on every record...from cheap Police to Butcher covers. It's safe. Avoid the label if you can 'cause it can get funky on certain labels. That it's.
Now let's all just turn off our caps, back away from the computer, and go play some records for cryin' out loud.
Soyomega2001 1 month ago
Hi, this is Mark, the guy in the video. This product is perfectly safe to clean simple dust and dirt off vinyl. Of course a VPI is ideal, but some people just want to play some records for fun and do not want to spend the money on crazy expensive systems. Discwasher is great, but again it's like $20 bucks.
Look, if you're a super serious record collector with some insanely kick-ass system then this video is not for you. Why are you even looking at it?
Soyomega2001 1 month ago
Comment removed
OldSonRecords 4 weeks ago
Discwasher was the worst record cleaner invented. It will grind sludge into the grooves. Using glass cleaning is just ridiculous. If you have a sizable record collection, buy a Nitty Gritty or VPI record cleaner. Some reputable shops like The Audio Connection in Seattle even rent them. And buy an Audioquest carbon fiber brush. If you want to preserve the vinyl, apply LAST preservative afterwards. This record shop just doesn't want to go through the care and expense of cleaning records properly.
LorenzoNW 2 months ago
@LorenzoNW No way man. LAST is a scam. I have evidence in a few 'shootout' videos that shows breakdown of product and actually creating undue friction to stylus. You can see visible 'gunk' after 1/4 side after "last" is applied. We had a demo at a record show a few years back and even the "last" users had to agree. You don't need anything that costs over $1 an ounce. even 1/20th of Isopropal is better than any 'marketed ' record cleaner. Be a reputable person, use your head.
oatstao 2 months ago
@oatstao I would love to see the video you're referring to. Everything I've read about LAST preservative is that it is not a coating; It's absorbed into the vinyl to harden the molecular surface. Aside from that, I would still recommend a carbon fiber brush over Discwasher any day since the Discwasher DOES grind dust into the record grooves. And a carbon fiber brush can also be used to demagnetize records. If someone has the money, a Nitty Gritty or VPI record cleaner does a great job.
LorenzoNW 2 months ago
Comment removed
rapemequickly 2 months ago
Please never use this suggested method of record cleaning.
1) Dirt and grime are rubbed into the grooves, you just remove the surface dust
2) Glass cleaner leaves a residue that will attract more dirt (grooved vinyl is not a mirror surface that can be wiped off)
3) Glass cleaner contains alcohol solvent that will dry out the vinyl (remove the plasticizers causing the vinyl to become brittle by time)
4) A cloth containing cotton will scratch the vinyl.
Fonofilm 3 months ago 12
@Fonofilm So what way would you recommend...
xxx69ajj69xxx 2 months ago
@xxx69ajj69xxx Best bang for the buck (if you have a big collection and mid to high-end stereo) is a Clearaudio Smart Matrix Professional Record Cleaning Machine. And it cleans release agents from new records. If you don't have $1500 to spend, get an Audioquest carbon fiber brush for $15. It lifts dust out of the grooves instead of grinding it in. It also demagnetizes your records by holding the record in one hand and lightly touching the brush to the record surface twice (on opposite sides).
LorenzoNW 1 month ago
@Fonofilm Hmm..odd you get thumbs up and I get attacked for saying the same thing. Weird place youtube is.
oatstao 2 months ago
@Fonofilm Agreed 100% Cleaning records this way is a disaster. I can't believe this guy, who works at a record store would say this. That "new" corduroy Discwasher is a piece of garbage. The vintage one is better, but the fact remains is that this guy is all about not cleaning records at all. Too bad, really. Look around, there's incredible information here on how to properly clean vinyl. Total thumbs down, this.
Yesmathius 1 month ago
@Fonofilm Ok, so what kind of cloth is safe? Do tell where there is a reliable and accurate source of vinyl cleaning information..
Gilsams 4 weeks ago
@Gilsams Check a local record store or online for record cleaning kits. They are safe & affordable. A machine is pricey & so most people will do fine with the kits & regular maintenance. Microfiber is safe, but the record should be dusted off lightly before applying any cloth with pressure to avoid scuffing it up with the dust particles. Otherwise, they will just dig deeper into the vinyl. Dust your records before each play and before each washing. Hope this helps.
OldSonRecords 4 weeks ago
Ya can't cut corners with you're precious vinyl people.
Buy the good stuff for you're records...
Carbon fiber brush...some record cleaner...and a cleaning cloth.
Because their worth it !!...lol
HitchHikersBlues 6 months ago
@TheJJHman I just received a shipment from DHL yesterday, myself : )
I've been rockin the decks all day...
What a past time...eh?
HitchHikersBlues 6 months ago
Vinyl all the way no brickwalling .. more depth and music that breaths..
I love and adore vinyl, i dont care a little crackles and very few pops
MrDemilord 6 months ago
@MrDemilord ...agreed!
HitchHikersBlues 6 months ago
I LOVE VINYL...KEEP IT ALIVE...BUY MORE VINYL ; )
HitchHikersBlues 7 months ago
And that doesn't affect the label at all?
zuma5278255424 7 months ago
@zuma5278255424 it affects the whole thing .you contaminate the grooves. DO NOT USE GLASS CLEANER.
oatstao 6 months ago
@oatstao The guy ownes a record store and uses it everyday. Why would he lie? it makes not sense.
goodvibesallround 5 months ago
@goodvibesallround I didn't say anyone has lied. Get it right. I'm really trying to help but if you don't get the chemical action of common glass cleaners on vinyl, then it's your vinyl collection that is at risk. I think he's a fucking idiot..not a liar.. big difference bub.
oatstao 5 months ago
@oatstao The dude owns a record store! He must clean hundreds of records a week! and i'm sure that he's tried various other methods. Who are you? do you own a store? have you tired different methods?
goodvibesallround 5 months ago
@goodvibesallround who the fuck are 'you'? why does it matter. Do I need to pin a fucking badge on my arm to talk about sensibility? No I need only information, knowledge, science and understanding of practice. You want fucking numbers buddy? To squelch your squak and make you sleep well at night? I've cleaned hundreds of thousands of LPs for many clients and sell worldwide. You can choose a side. I will use my will to do so also. Go use your caustic chemicals.
oatstao 2 months ago
@oatstao Well i've been cleaning my records the way he's suggested and there playing fine. So I guess YOU'RE FUCKING WRONG LOSER!!!!!!!
goodvibesallround 2 months ago
@goodvibesallround wow, what are you trying to protect? I can't help your ignorance any longer. Go play with your chemicals, cancer boy.
oatstao 2 months ago
@oatstao How the fuck does glass cleaner give you cancer you fucking moron. Jesus! and you want to talk about ignorance.
goodvibesallround 2 months ago
Comment removed
OldSonRecords 4 weeks ago
@goodvibesallround go ask the psychologist who understands very well why people in commerce lie every day. Now apply the science and read the fine print. Go read one of the top audio engineered direct to disc manufacturers (sheffield labs) and what THEY have to say about spray on products, including 'glass cleaner' one of the most volitile chemicals to use with vinyl . Where is the sensibility here? GO AHEAD - SPRAY AND RUIN YOUR VINYL.
oatstao 2 months ago
@zuma5278255424
Just buy a bottle of record cleaner, and a cloth, that usually comes with the bottle : )
HitchHikersBlues 6 months ago
Comment removed
oatstao 5 months ago
@oatstao So should i listen to a random Caps lock Troll, or a guy who have owned a record store for 30 years, hmmmmmm ^^
mukkohaha 2 months ago
@mukkohaha So if you average what I use, Caps lock for, you get the lower end of the spectrum. Go ahead-- use your brain to average. Now the subject. I capitalized for effect. Not for kicks. So I will disable my important tip. You call me a Troll. That is your subjective. You obviously know jack shit about commerce and what people will do for a buck.You gauge length of 'sales' to sensibility. That's your downfall. You better come with science. I have it, you just have insults.
oatstao 2 months ago
@oatstao Your clearly not a caps lock troll, but reading your old comment i just got the wrong idea :p
But ! Yesterday i washed an old 1978 Dire straits LP ( which sounded like the most dirty shit ever ) I first washed it in Water and Dish cleaning soap,
Then i clened it with Glass Spray, Then i had it in a bowl of Chlorine for 20 minutes and then at last i washed it with a special thing that removes dried water.
Sounded as good as new ;)
mukkohaha 2 months ago
@oatstao i bet you have a cheap crap Pickup and you own shitty non- hifi Speakers, and Non hifi Amp, shitty turntable etc,
And you just want to sound wise in here because you buy stuff you can mix up at home ^^
mukkohaha 2 months ago
@mukkohaha oh and are you saving your pennies for "record store day" they can sell you some more useless things.
oatstao 2 months ago
@mukkohaha Hmmmmm? is that you choking on your own vomit?
oatstao 2 months ago
@oatstao you hit a soft spot their, i were in fact chocking on my own vomit, how insensitive of you.
mukkohaha 2 months ago
Pretty cool.
I got my first few records today on RecordStore Day =D
I live in LA so when I get more money I just might visit that store
twistedknightmare 10 months ago
Didn't Rockaway have a location in the village part of NYC? I remember going to a Rockaway with my cousin who lives in Queens. Thanks again,
Rob/Boston
Paneeks1960 1 year ago
Hello Rockaway. I used to love buying all different music items from you back in the 90's through Goldmine magazine. I just found this post and I am glad I connected with you again. Thanks for the cleaning tips. I look forward to more posts from you as well.
Paneeks1960 1 year ago