4) Elevator Attack Self Defense Training (Close Quarters)

[Trollek1984]

cat fight.... that's lame...

[aliciarocknroll]

He needs to be saying, "who's your daddy" while slapping him.

[simon285285]

Hi

training PFS and SEAL in my experience it is rapid strikes that confuse an opponent, I use rapid strikes and deflections ,not neccessarily knock out blows (they are hard to land) I use these rapid strikes to disorientate the attacker so i can then enter in close and try to do real damage- biting (face, hands anyhting in range) , gouging, whilst using legs, knees, elbows to keep the attacker distracted, this in my experience seems to really put thai fighters off their 'game'

[Ceosan]

agreed. ring, MMA and MA fights arnt brutal or fast enough.

it tends to be the more physical and fast aggressor that comes out on top, and soft target striking helps a whole lot. don't waste a single second.

a lot of fighters watch each other in the ring and are more about out lasting an opponent not beating him. it works for the ring, but not if you intend to fight for real.

they say fools rush in, i guess that makes me a fool : P

[hagiospaulos]

Big problem I have with this vid and others like it: Why isn't the assailant as aggressive in training as the defender? If this were realistic, they would both be going all out, the attacker would initiate aggressively and intently, and the outcome might or might not be desireable. There is a reason attackers use surprise, speed, and agression; even against TRAINED personel, THESE PRINCIPLES WORK TO THE ATTACKER's ADVANTAGE! To the thinker - save your money by criticing the attacker and scenario

[arikandel2002]

You would have them both go all-out and seriously injure each other for the sake of a demo???

Do you want to volunteer to be my demo partner for that???

BTW, we've tried nearly all the protective suits on the market since the '80s. The only one that offered adequate head/neck protection was the "bullet man" that makes the head several feet in diameter--completely unrealistic. And nothing adequately protects the entire rest of the body.

PLEASE volunteer. . . .

[shniddles]

Great reply. Why can't people understand that there is some form of co-operative or "mock" combat in every system for the sake of training,learning and evolving? And the bullet man just allows the other guy to keep coming when he would've been shut down almost immediately. It really doesn't make it more realistic.

[AndyTorez]

i sorta agree and disagree with the muy thai clinch ..ive trained alot with that clinch and if done properly the attacker will be to confused and disorientated to even focuz much on hitting you he'll be to busy trying to keep balance and not fall. at the same time tho always keep in mind u do hav to adapt to w/e comes ur away no matter wat techniques u know...bruce lee always said be like water...

[skywalkr2000]

You can take balance without trying to control the guy in a clinch. There are much easier ways. Take the balance with a pulsation or uproot and during the split second he needs to regain balance HIT HIT HIT don't stop till he's done.

[solpapisolmook]

Can someone please explain to me how the Muay Thai clinch works? How is it applicable in a streetfight (when someone's rushing at you with a flurry of punches, are you really going to try to reach your hands behind his head and secure them?)?

As well, how hard is it to get out of it, and what is protecting you from him punching you in the gut or balls when you have him in that position??

I'm not saying it doesn't work, I'm just saying I don't understand how it does.

[UniversalStandards]

It's usually done when the attacker is hurt and his posture somehow broken in sportfighting. It works because when the posture is broken and the clinch done properly, there's not much room for the attacker to move. The problem is getting it and against somone properly trained in Guided CHaos it's damn near impossible.

[crouchtig]

So there's debate over whether a clinch would work, but surely knees and elbows would be pretty optimal? Trouble is, because of the nature of the drill, low-power slaps are quicker and more confusing than low-power knees. But a full-power knee does alot of damage...

[MajorRoy]

I would use the thaiclinch in such a tight environment. Power, control and it is proven to work. But i hope my mugger is training this form of spastic dancing though...

[arikandel2002]

Hm, we've had many people (including competitive Muay Thai fighters) try to apply stuff such as the Thai clinch. Somehow the spastic dancing always prevented this and left them overwhelmed and . . . wanting to learn. We'll have a seminar in England soon. Not quite Sweden but if you could make it, we'd like you to teach us your Thai clinch. . . .

[skywalkr2000]

If you could get a thai clinch in this situation you missed an opportunity to already be hitting. The only place a thai clinch is proven to work is in a ring with rules, in the street you can have a number of nasty things happen by going for that kind of control. Eye gouges, hair pulling, balls and if someone is actually stronger than you, controlling tactics are a problem.

[tazandbuddha]

missed what oppertunity? in a thai clinch? to pull you head down and knee you in the face!! to pull them into a elbow!

[adonzela]

you need to be able to adapt to whats available. if you go for the "thai clinch" your slow and you ain't really being attacked with fury. The "thai clinch" is a sportive control, don't be fooled into thinking your attacker wont pull your eyeball out while your wrestling with his head trying to set him up for the big knee or elbow. Just hit and be able to instantly change and ADAPT with repeat stiking.

[skywalkr2000]

And by the way MajorRoy, if you're training a martial art that relies upon power and control to make work, the only people you would be able to defeat would have to be of weaker strength or stature. Problem being there is always someone stronger...

[chevimpala63]

I think the confined space is great for simulated CQC, however the application has to be basic, and effective so everyone regardless of fitness shape and size can use the same principals to evade block diminish takedown diminish and withdraw.

Sam

[Musashib00]

I want one!!!

[jdstacy]

There is no way i am ever going in a freakin elevator EVER AGAIN!!

[esylvano]

very nice

[wombatfredman]

Man, this is really, really great stuff

[sto9joe]

Very good demo of close quarters fighting...I agree with the other comments! Thanks for posting.

[cmalinowski30]

here's a tip. Don't make anyone angry on your way into an elevator. And, carry a lighter.

[tankboyvet]

YES! loved it. Gotta try this. Never even thought about an assault in an elevator. we all know it can happen anywhere. But, the elevator sliped my mind. thanks for the post, mattkovsky.

[Ikeea]

First when i saw that guy slapping other guy like a woman, i thought: " What the hell kind of self defence is that?" But now i realized that it was brilliant. The guy in red was too busy protecting his eyes to punch anyone. :)

[mattkovsky]

Actually because this is a demo the slaps look alot less potent. For a real attack, translate the slaps into axehands to the spine and throat and gouges, rips and tears to the eyes. If you do that in a demo you only get to use your "training partner" once.

[Musashib00]

Bas Rutten used to slap boys silly in the ol Pancrase, but I wouldnt call him or anyone else in pancrase a woman. Plus, Palm Striking hurst just about as much as a punch, and no worrying about knuckles breaking.

[kingcobrabites]

Awesome mate, brilliant idea - had some doorstaff mates train with mats on the wall, but creating an elevator environment, great idea.

[stephenshellmc]

i like that it kinda was like a sumo rolling a guy into a ball