Apostolic Succession Refuted (1 of 3) - Catholic Dogma Debunked

[Cherubaby]

Another Protestant LIAR that doesn't even know what "Apostolic Tradition" is!

[Jehstfan]

Yea you can't just add stuff to the bible.

[zapatac1]

@Jehstfan the catholic church compiled the bible. you should thank us

[Jehstfan]

Awesome post bro. So many nonbiblical things mixed in the Catholic faith.

[jardeytrue]

Judging from the atrocious and very anti-Catholic comments, I have a clear view on the true face of Protestantism or whatever cult you guys belong too. C'mon, practice what you preach. Hatred is not a Christian virtue. I don't think you can spread the word of God using semi-literate strings of personal insults.

[jardeytrue]

Anti-Catholicism: A tradition of men. Just like sola-scriptura.

[adams1684]

it's not funny that you call the most high "a cracker that you eat" but i will pray for you. Cuz man you need it. I seen a lot of your vids but this one makes you look very DUMB. I think we all should pray for you GOD BLESS YOU.

[14Pelasgia83CZC]

1 Timothy (3:15) : " But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the CHURCH of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth. "

[Pilgrim1411]

Apostolic Succession is a true Christian tenet, but the Roman Catholics lost it. It is retained today in the Orthodox Church alone. Read the writings of Saint Irenaeus.

[TheCatholicbeliever]

Foundation - the act of founding or establishing or the state of being founded or established. The foundation was not a building. The foundation was an organization for tasks with a goal - His Church. The goal  - See John 20:21.

Was Jesus intention his church should end because for lack of an apostolic succession?

Over looked by many scholars. Perhaps an misinterpretation for a lack of proper hermeneutics? No disrespect here, but a disagreement. Your argument lasks a certain logic so far.

[RainhadoCanto4]

Pity no one told Peter about it!

5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

1 Peter 2:5, 9 (King James Bible)

Considering the "Catholic Church" didn't even begin UNTIL CONSTANTINE SO DECIDED!!

[WayOfTheMaster454]

@RainhadoCanto4 --The Catholic Church began with Jesus;  If you read the pre-313 church fathers you will see ideas and doctrine that are very catholic.

[RainhadoCanto4]

@WayOfTheMaster454

You are delirious!! I have read plenty which has told me that the Roman Catholic church has perpetrated the biggest fraud ever in history!! NO ideas or any such GARBAGE like was invented by the RCC was EVER part of anything the early TRUE CHRISTIANS followed!

You read about the early NEW TESTAMENT churches and not the fables that the Vatican has concocted!

THERE IS NOTHING CATHOLIC in the early NEW TESTAMENT churches! There was no such UNTIL Constantine!! THIS IS HISTORY!

[WayOfTheMaster454]

@RainhadoCanto4 --What church do you belong to? Baptist / 7th day adv / evangel ? I need to know where you are coming from.

[RainhadoCanto4]

@WayOfTheMaster454

1 -

You mean denomination! I subscribe to no denomination! Christ came not to give us "religion" but belief in Him! I believe in nothing more that HIS WORD! He admonished we follow it, time and again!

Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him,

If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;

John 8:31 (King James Bible)

[RainhadoCanto4]

@WayOfTheMaster454

2 -

27 And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked.

28 But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.

Luke 11:27-28 (KJB)

He disses his mother and ELEVATES the word of God! It isn't Mary before whose statue you kneel: it is SEMIRAMIS, the Queen of Heaven well before Christ came!

[RainhadoCanto4]

@WayOfTheMaster454

3 -

Mary is in Heaven with Jesus and knows NOTHING about you!

It wouldn't be Heaven if she knew of the filth through which the RCC has dragged her name!

Neither is it Jesus you worship, but SEMIRAMIS' son/god NIMROD!

It may interest you to know I was deceived by the RCC for 52 years before my eyes were opened just by reading the New Testament! NOTHING IN IT OF ALL THE PAGAN CEREMONIES AND BELIEFS! NOTHING! I was in virtual shock!

[RainhadoCanto4]

@WayOfTheMaster454

5 -

ALL OF WHICH YOU DO HAS PAGAN ORIGINS: the wafer "eucharist", praying for the dead, candles, statues, infant baptism, purgatory, Easter,... and on and on it goes...

30And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?

31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

Acts 16:30-31 (King James Bible)

IT DOES NOT GET SIMPLER THAN THAT! BELIEVE IN HIM AND YOU ARE SAVED!!

[ibsd]

@RainhadoCanto4 Protestant and Catholic both are full of Pagan origins.  The cross, Hell/Hades, communion, baptism, the trinity, the bible itself.. he, he.

[RainhadoCanto4]

@ibsd

GEE! ANOTHER MORON WHO OPENS CHANNELS JUST TO POST HIS IGNORANCE!!

Substantiate what you say, idiot! OBVIOUSLY, just your word is garbage, since you cannot be found to put up a decent debate, your wimpy self hiding somewhere!

[ibsd]

@RainhadoCanto4 OBVIOUSLY, Calling people names makes you look like a fool. You have already lost.

[RainhadoCanto4]

@ibsd

HA HA HA HA HA! You have nothing else with which to back you crap, do you?!

A complete IGNORAMUS! The truth is the truth!

And you hide your channel again! You prove that you are a MORON!

[ibsd]

@RainhadoCanto4 This discussion is going places.

[RainhadoCanto4]

@WayOfTheMaster454

6 -

Look up "LIST OF CATHOLIC HERESIES And HUMAN TRADITIONS" by jesus-is-savior . com (an excellent site through which to learn the truth!)

See my blog: "True Christianity vs Roman Catholicism" and you will see your pope to be no more than a prostitute! Just HOW can any SELF-RESPECTING person knowing and seeing all this, what the murderous 75 popes IN A ROW did through the Dark Ages remain associated to such a repulsive religion?! HOW??

[RainhadoCanto4]

@WayOfTheMaster454

7 -

16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Matthew 7:16-20 (King James Bible)

[RainhadoCanto4]

@WayOfTheMaster454

8-

Thus, being REHABILITATED is OUT OF THE QUESTION!

YOU CANNOT UNLEAVEN THAT WHICH HAS BEEN LEAVENED!

IT IS CORRUPT TO THE CORE, AND WILL END IN THE LAKE OF FIRE WHERE IT BELONGS!

Small wonder we as Catholics were BRAINWASHED to believe we could not comprehend the His word, a word so simple He brought to the simple! Try it! It is quite enlightening!

I will...praise thy name... and for thy truth:

for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.

Psalm 138:2 (KJB)

[RainhadoCanto4]

@WayOfTheMaster454

Inadvertently I skipped 4 ! There was no 4 !

[RainhadoCanto4]

@WayOfTheMaster454

By the way, neither is the 7th Day Adventist a Christian Church, as is not the Roman Catholic!

[WayOfTheMaster454]

@RainhadoCanto4 --The Catholic Church is the original Christian Church; what church are you a member of?

[RainhadoCanto4]

@WayOfTheMaster454

Are you are moron?! I responded to this question some 8 comments ago!!

AGAIN, THERE WAS NO CATHOLIC CHURCH UNTIL CONSTANTINE CAME INTO THE PICTURE! He UNITED all PAGANS AND CHRISTIANS into ONE UNIVERSAL CHURCH!! That is what Catholic means: UNIVERSAL!!

THIS IS HISTORY! YOU CANNOT ARGUE WITH IT! NO AMOUNT OF DISTORTION BY THE VATICAN CAN CHANGE THIS! EVER!  ONLY DIMWITS BELIEVE WHAT THE VATICAN HAS TO SAY!

Now, GOODBYE!

[RainhadoCanto4]

@WayOfTheMaster454

By the way: the Roman Catholic Church IS NOT CHRISTIAN! NEVER WAS!

YOUR FIRST POPE WAS SIMON MAGUS, A PAGAN SORCERER!

That is what Vaticanus means, too!

Peter's bones were found in Jerusalem, for he was the disciple to the Jews!

[redlightdeath]

@WayOfTheMaster454 no, actually it's not. the original Christian church was started by Peter as soon as Jesus ascended into heaven circa. 33 AD. The catholic church was not founded until about 300 years later. it was founded by rome when they realized they could not kill off all the true Christians and force them to worship the ruler of Rome. Catholicism is a mixture of Pagan traditions and pseudo Christian practices. but it is not the original church. you might want to check your history.

[WayOfTheMaster454]

@redlightdeath --"...if they (the apostles) should die, other approved men should suceed to their ministry" --St Clement, Pope of Rome 80 AD Letter to the Corinthians, making refference to Apostolic Sucession.

[WayOfTheMaster454]

@redlightdeath --"...the presbytery (priesthood) is subject to the laws of Jesus Christ" -St Ignatius / Letter to the Magnesians 110 A D

[WayOfTheMaster454]

@redlightdeath --"..to the church in the country of the Romans which holds the presidency, worthy of all honor..." --St Ignatius heaping praise on the Roman Church / Letter to the Romans 110 AD

[WayOfTheMaster454]

@redlightdeath --"Mother of God"---Bishop Alexander of Alexandria refering to St Mary, 324 AD

[WayOfTheMaster454]

@redlightdeath --"Catholic Church" -The Council of Elvira making reference to the Catholic Church, 300 AD

[redlightdeath]

@WayOfTheMaster454 no, the catholic church began with Rome. it was founded in rome 300 years after Jesus left earth. you really need to go back and read your "canons," and then read the bible, and figure out that Catholicism is nothing more than a Pagan copy of Christianity. this is why Catholics worship idols, worship the pope, (both violations of 1st commandment), and believe the pope can forgive sins, which he cannot - The Most High can. Catholicism is not Christianity.

[WayOfTheMaster454]

@redlightdeath --Catholic ideas and doctrine are found in the New Testament and pre 313 ad writings of the Church Fathers; I'll post some examples after I get home from work.

[redlightdeath]

@WayOfTheMaster454 no, those are the few Christian ideals that catholics copied and contorted to fit their pagan views. The reality of it is, the bible says nothing about the pope, worshipping idols, moving the sabbath to sunday, etc. furthermore, the bible actually refutes the idea of apostolic succession, which basically does away with all catholic doctrine.

[WayOfTheMaster454]

@redlightdeath --So why should we worship on the jewish sabbath?

[redlightdeath]

@WayOfTheMaster454 sorry man, you can't use catholic doctrine to prove catholic doctrine. most of the people you listed were simply romans carrying out the will of rome. and rome, as already stated, was trying to destroy Christianity since its beginning. the fact remains that none of what these "popes" and "saints" claim, none of their doctrine, can be found in the bible. none of it. and Saturday isn't a "Jewish" sabbath - it's the 6th day of the week, as per the bible. Jesus kept it.

[WayOfTheMaster454]

@redlightdeath --"They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they do not confess that the Eucharist is the flesh of our sviour Jesus Christ..." -St Ignatius / Letter to the Smyrnaens 110 A D

[WayOfTheMaster454]

@redlightdeath --"...and the Bishops who suceeded them (the apostles) by being ordained in their place." --Firmillian of Caesarea / Letter to Cyprian 256 AD

[WayOfTheMaster454]

@redlightdeath --We have an altar, from which those who serve the tabernacle may not eat" -Heb 13 10

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SDA churches have no altars.

[redlightdeath]

@WayOfTheMaster454 furthermore, i'm not a seventh day adventist. I am a believer and follower of Jesus Christ, the one true God. and that is why i refuse to pray to mary, worship the pope, or eat a cracker given to me by some guy because he thinks he has power to turn it into Jesus' flesh. None of this is in the bible, the only reason you believe it's true is because of apostolic succession, which has been refuted. thus, catholicism has been refuted. follow Christ, not a man in a wizard hat.

[WayOfTheMaster454]

@redlightdeath --No offense, but im not so sure that you're intelligent enough to understand the bible and the catholic church; I feel that it is the lack of intellect that keeps people out of the catholic church, and thats a shame.

[redlightdeath]

@WayOfTheMaster454 ah, so you take the liberal, "you just don't get it because you aren't an 'intellectual'" argument. it's a nice copout, but not good enough. you're the one who doesn't understand the bible. show me one place where the bible says there should be popes, where mary should be worshiped, and where regular men have been given the power to summon the body of Christ. there isn't any, and you're mad, thus you insult my intellect. the shame is that rome is still in control.

[redlightdeath]

@WayOfTheMaster454 and no offense, but i'm not sure you're intelligent enough to understand the bible or the history those who follow Christ. the bible says two basic things: follow the laws of God (not men) and love your neighbor as yourself. those are embodied in 10 commandments. the FIRST commandment is to have NO OTHER GODS BESIDES GOD. apostolic succession is fake, catholicism is fake, and you know it, which is why you have no argument but ad hominem attacks on my intellect. nice.

[truth7seeker]

WOW, how can the Apostolic Succession be VALID in the Catholic Church? The Roman Catholic has left the Original ONE HOLY CATHOLIC ( as UNIVERSAL) AND APOSTOLIC CHURCH in 1054. THE APOSTOLIC SUCCESSION MUST BE VALID ONLY IN THE ORTHODOX CHURCH called EASTERN ORTHODOX.

In the Orthodox Church CHRIST is the LEADER of the Church not the POPE like in the Catholic. Read the History of the Church PEOPLE do not fall for Cyrus Scofield's zionist interpretation of the Bible written in 1909.

[redlightdeath]

@truth7seeker orthodox "christianity" is all the pagan satanic activities of the catholic church without the pope.

[truth7seeker]

@redlightdeath Devil never sleeps, I know, and is seating on your left shoulder dictating you letter by letter what to respond to my comment. Isn't that a bitch?! I wish to invest a little time here with you to clear out this issue but I declare myself a proud and happy goy that has no interest to covert a jew (if you are one).

Shalom to you! By the way you know what shalom means right?

P.S Learn more from my ex jew brother : Brother Nathanel Kapner, you will thank me later.

[redlightdeath]

@truth7seeker uhm, the devil is actually sitting in your heart, but whatever, you are ignorant and have no idea what you're talking about. i don't try to "convert people" to judaism - I am Christian; i believe that Jesus is Messiah-but I am from Israel, and therefore culturally i am Jewish-hence MESSIANIC Jew. Shalom means peace. and you still missed the whole point of my comment - "orthodox" Christianity is simply catholicism (idol worshiping, praying to false gods) as catholicism.

[truth7seeker]

@redlightdeath Also do not judge to not be judge, try to discuss peacefully without superiority if u treat me like an equal. Usually jews r indoctrinated with false idea that they r children of g-d. As far as I know MONEY r their GOD. MY GOD is CHRIST whether u accept or not. I am sharing this info with u, I do not force you to believe, just research to find out why I believe the way I do. Do not inform urself from corrupt material , find an orthodox source. Tell me what the word orthodox means?

[redlightdeath]

@truth7seeker (con't.) by the way, even for an "orthodox" Christian, you seem to be especially angry and hateful, judging by the fact you call yourself a follower of Christ, yet use such immature and asinine language. moreoever, you're too stupid to even understand that a Messianic Jew is simply a Christian from Israel, or who has Jewish Heritage. Have fun at your KKK meeting though, i'm sure you'll learn some more anti-semitic stuff to hurl in ignorance! Shalom.

[truth7seeker]

@redlightdeath I know exactly who messianic jews are, I know who are jews yet they are not and I know that once a jew accepts Christ as Messiah, that jew is not a jew anymore, he/she becomes one in Christ, because In Christ you are no jew, no gentiles, no greek, no female, no male BUT ONE IN CHRIST.

The devil is not in my heart yet.....he is around but he does not have a green light to enter in my heart , he just sends me signals through others.

[truth7seeker]

@redlightdeath As a messianic jew ,are you supporter of Israel?

[truth7seeker]

@redlightdeath The reason u mention all these to me (idol worshiping, praying to false gods) is because the jews were behind the split of the Church in 1054 and also all the heresies before that were created by the jews (pharisee). Who crucified Christ? The Romans, yeah but who put HIM in the hands of the Romans?

Who was yelling let the blood be upon us and upon our children's children? Let me see if you see the picture.Please do not intimidate me with anti-antisemitism, I do not buy it.

[14Pelasgia83CZC]

@truth7seeker I am also an Eastern Orthodox Christian and I agree with truth7seeker. Knowwheretorun1984, I visited your website to and I saw that you said "No church you attend will be perfect (after all you will be there) You dont have to agree with them about everything, If you think that you do, you will never find a church that stacks up to your expectations. If they believe in the basics and love Jesus, and you feel led in some way that you should be there. its usually OK."

[14Pelasgia83CZC]

@truth7seeker Well, I think you( Chris, not truth7seeker) should read about Eastern Orthodox Christianity and go to a church. May God bless you all and show you the Truth!

[SAYYOURROSARY]

It's so strange ! This guy acts ignorant of HISTORY ! You "bible only" folks ARE CONFUSED . YOUR OWN BIBLE says it's NOT COMPLETE and it's hard to understand and that many a fool will wrestle with scripture

[redlightdeath]

@SAYYOURROSARY where does it say that "it's not complete?" you have absolutely NO scripture to back up that baseless claim. there's plenty of history to show that the catholic church was started 300 years AFTER Christ, and is based on pagan rituals. the only reason the catholic church even exists is because rome realized it couldn't kill every Christian, so they sought to control "religion" instead. Jesus is the way, the truth and the life. not your child molesting pope/bishop/"father".

[SAYYOURROSARY]

This is totally foolish . The Bible was unavailable to anyone before 397 . (the council of Nicea (right after the Edict of Milan ) the Bible was UNavailable to

Most till the 1900's ! Of course TRADITION was important the Bible says

to KEEP TRADITIONS and hold fAST TO THEM ! Your "I'm Saved" religon is not

Tradition at all . You have traditions of MEN you follow 2 Peter 3 16

[redlightdeath]

@SAYYOURROSARY you are pretty ignorant. the bible was available way before that, it just was not compiled until then. and after the council of nicea realized that the bible prophesied the catholic church as the anti-christ, the bible was burned and people were killed for having one. that's why the bible was translated into latin vulgate and all throughout the dark ages people were killed for having bibles. catholicism is anti-christian, and only pretends to be Christian now to fool people.

[TheCASBand]

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[OoohReally1]

The Bible as we know was recognized through Councils in The RCC- Councils of Rome, Hippo, and Carthage establish the 73 Books of the Bible – 382 AD, 393 AD, and 397 AD respectively.

I would like to point out Dr.Peter Kreeft & Dr. Scott Hahn as excellent examples of former anti-catholic protestant scholars who have converted to Catholicism. Not to mention Dr. Francis Beckwith who was the Pres. of the American Evangelical Theological Society prior to his conversion to Catholicism.

[kiwichristian2009]

Peter understood with all humility the implications of being only a man. But popes, being only men like Peter, allow multitudes to bow their knees before them, kiss their feet, and reverence them—thereby receiving worship that does not rightfully belong to them. What a tremendous difference between Peter and his supposed successors!

[kiwichristian2009]

Jesus never established a single bishop over a multiplicity of others; rather,He established an impartial order of service.However, men departed from the original pattern of the Bible in search of power, honor, and deification.The first indication of this desertion was when the distinction between the words,bishops, elders, and pastors was made-titles that are used interchangeably in the Bible (e.g.,Acts 20:17,28;Titus 1:5,7;1 Pet5:1-2; etc.)—thereby giving preeminence to the position of bishop

[kiwichristian2009]

Catholics claim that the present day bishops and priests in the Catholic Church are successors to the apostles, being inheritors of their power and authority. This cannot be true. The Catholic bishops and priests were not promised the power from on high nor commanded to wait in Jerusalem to receive it (Luke 24:49; Acts 1:4,8). They have no authority because they are not inspired of the Holy Spirit nor are they eyewitnesses of Jesus (John 20:22-23; Acts 1:8, 21-26)...

[kiwichristian2009]

@Timeofflux But, my friend, the catholic "Jesus" is not the Jesus Christ of the Bible.

[NyRamsey]

Paul himself spoke of the foundation he built [1Corinth 3:10] but later deferred to Christ and said in 1 Corinthians 3:11; "For other foundation ca no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ." <-- from the mouth of an apostle! The catholic church is nothing but a fraud, from the days of constantine till now!

[KJVBaptistGuy]

@NyRamsey Amen! Preach it!

[kiwichristian2009]

@Timeofflux Amen. Thats all you need. Only Christ. Christ is not confined to a church, He is NOT in a catholic wafer ( no matter how much they try to convince you He is, this is easily proved in the Bible ). You are a sinner and deserve hell just like me. But i know Christ was sinless, the ONLY sinless person who ever lived ( INCLUDING mary ) and that He paid the price for my sins. for ALL my sins, past, present and future. When i die, God promises me i will be in heaven. Amen!

[kiwichristian2009]

@Timeofflux Romans 10:9 "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."

[KJVBaptistGuy]

@kiwichristian2009 Amen! That's right!

[kiwichristian2009]

@KJVBaptistGuy Thanks. Its not a matter of "I'm right you are wrong" when i discuss things with catholics. It's more a case of "Here's what GOD says about your beliefs and practices. HE says they are wrong, not me.". But then the "you dont understand catholics" or "you are just anti-catholic" cards get played, then usually the "well, we gave you the Bible anyhow" cards are dealt.

[KJVBaptistGuy]

@kiwichristian2009 No prob. You have to forgive me, it's hard to express yourself over the internet. That's something we say out loud in church when we hear some really good preaching. The emphasis is on the verse and what the verse means, not on a "I'm right you're wrong so there" basis. I know it's especially important to be careful what you say when witnessing to people.

[kiwichristian2009]

@KJVBaptistGuy Amen. Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. Matthew 15:3, 6, 7 "Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? [Y]e made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition. Ye hypocrites."

[kiwichristian2009]

@Timeofflux My friend. Read the Bible. Thats all you need. You can come to Christ yourself. You need NO intermediary.

[kiwichristian2009]

... They cannot prove their authority by speaking in tongues, prophesying and working miracles (2 Cor. 12:12). They are not the chosen ambassadors who were selected to deliver God's message or "the faith" to mankind (Eph. 3:3-4; Jude 3). Moreover, they cannot be successors to the apostles and prophets because the only infallible succession to them are the inspired writings (2 Pet. 1:15; 3:1; 2 Tim. 3:14-17).

[kiwichristian2009]

Catholics claim that the present day bishops and priests in the Catholic Church are successors to the apostles, being inheritors of their power and authority. This cannot be true. The Catholic bishops and priests were not promised the power from on high nor commanded to wait in Jerusalem to receive it (Luke 24:49; Acts 1:4,8). They have no authority because they are not inspired of the Holy Spirit nor are they eyewitnesses of Jesus (John 20:22-23; Acts 1:8, 21-26)...

[ChristianPatriarchy]

Also why do you use the English Crown ?

[ChristianPatriarchy]

Dear Chris, why have you displayed a picture of Anglican Bishops when speaking of the Papacy ?

[fannycradet]

Rubbish catholic's are from baal look up the history.

[whatdoyouwantandwhy]

@Timeofflux Th0is may be true, however the practice of these other doctrine is enough to call blasphemy. You have to understand, that God will see these doctrine, as Jesus saw the doctrine of the high priest who questioned him.

[gweems828]

@Timeofflux I hope what u say is true. Its all about Him. He is the rock. Psalm 19:14 May the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be pleasing in your sight, O LORD, my Rock and my Redeemer.

[SupremeAmerican]

I was raised a catholic. :(

[loudmouthspeaker]

@SupremeAmerican thats ok its not your fault but what are you going to do about it

[Onetruthrgv]

Nice job

[PrincesseJen]

I agree this is very well done in detail. Great work.

[stupaod]

this series was really well done

[Leiflton]

@Timeofflux yes and there is a reason it troubles you. there are true believers in every denomination, though all denominations are unbiblical. but there will be one flock, and one shepherd, as we are in the last days. we must reject everything that is contrary to sound doctrine. i think the true path to Christ is merely repentance, and "doing the will of God from the heart."

Jesus guides us, helps, protects, encourages, strengthens, redeems, and rebukes us, and shapes us into his image...

[Leiflton]

@Leiflton "And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly."

"Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts."

"Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths."

if you seek you will find, and "the battle is not yours, but God's."

and Jesus is already victor.

[Leiflton]

@Timeofflux i dont think it matters. why does the pope wear a fish-god dagon mitre? why do they call priests "father" when Jesus said call no man "father?" why is there a sun wheel and egyptian obelisk at st peters? what about the saturn hat? what about all the extra-biblical traditions and ceremonies that are antichrist according to the Bible?

"But in vain they do worship me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men."

"Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition."

[Leiflton]

@Leiflton also catholic means universal, which is the ecumenical lie of the serpent. Jesus came not to bring peace "but a sword."

[whatdoyouwantandwhy]

@Leiflton Well if that sword is figurative speech, then yes, but Jesus didn't speak of violence as the tool.

[Leiflton]

@whatdoyouwantandwhy yes, Jesus never called for physical violence. perhaps the most violent act(excluding future events, ie in Revelation) recorded is in John 2:15:

"And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;"

but Jesus says to "Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword."....

[Leiflton]

@Leiflton its basically talking about division, as the sword of truth, the word of God (out of His mouth proceedeth a two edged sword, hebrews 4:12 etc.) divides people.

"The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law."

also matt 10:35 etc.

[whatdoyouwantandwhy]

@Leiflton That reference was a literal reference. Stating that people who take the sword would die by it, and there by stabing themselves with the sword.

The demolishon of the temple market, was to make the point of Gods, tolerance for capitalism.

While it was indeed a violent act upon the pursuit of profit, it was hardly a violent act upon which we equate with the use of violence i.e against people

[Leiflton]

@whatdoyouwantandwhy yeah, i mean the "come not to bring peace, but a sword" passage, heb 4:12 etc. i dont think we should use physical violence either, as it was one of the reasons for the great flood. "the earth was filled with violence." also it says in revelation 13 "he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword."

which is the same as in Genesis "Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man."

[kiwichristian2009]

@whatdoyouwantandwhy But the rcc is responsible for the torture and murder of MILLIONS of innocent Christians who do not agree with them. Most were burned for daring to even OWN a Bible in their own language! Christ taught us to love our enemies and neighbor.

[whatdoyouwantandwhy]

@kiwichristian2009 Yes and how does this apply to me again?

[kiwichristian2009]

@Leiflton Because the rcc is full of blatant idolatry. Hence the upside-down cross, a powerful symbol in satanism. Theres no evidence for peter being crucified upside-down or for being in rome at all. Even if he was, why give HIM glory that belongs ONLY to God?

[Leiflton]

the only verse i can think of is 1 timothy 4:14

"Neglect not the gift that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy, with the laying on of the hands of the presbytery."

also, does anyone know the underlying significance of the number 12?

[MAGNETGRUNT]

WoW! These Catholics are crazier than the Mormons! 

[Knowwheretorun1984]

@SUNIVAG Well the thing is, uniquely with catholic religion, you can in fact say this. Because they are required to believe it, or they are an anathema (cursed and rejected by the catholic church). That is the nature of their dogma, whether or not they have heard of it before makes no difference.

[snappa52]

@SUNIVAG I was a catholic for 28 years, he's right

[snappa52]

@SUNIVAG it doesnt matter what the 90% think when the authority thinks otherwise. Your tithe still goes to the vatican, so whether you reject it or not, you are still supporting them monetarily. Dont start with this internet tough guy horseshit. If you had half a brain or an ounce of morality you would have left like I did. Your money has paid/is paying for the defense of child abusers. Get it?

[snappa52]

@SUNIVAG here is some latin for a telephone tough guy: ad hominem. You've proven you are a pussy and a dumb ass. I have 6 years in the Marines that says i would mud stomp your dumb ass.

[gweems828]

Thanks for posting!