Alternate History of Europe

[djolepfc97]

not bad video



[cristianmicalaca]

your history is a story I made ... mongrel civilization are a pot of empires ... the people are not pure or Rumania Thracians have a false history

[iobtvoiumati]

these maps have a lot of mistakes.

[elvisbjones]

ok what exactly was that the dates changed but the map didn't wtv

[sebythg]

LOL YOU NOOB!!!! DUDE OPEN A BOOK HISTORY AND LOOK THERE AND YOU WILL FIND ''ROMANIA GET THE ADMINISTRATION OF DOBROJUSA AFTER THE INDEPENDENCE WAR(1878)!!!!!''

[wilcoxchar]

@sebythg Do you not understand the meaning of "alternate history"?

[xardasNL]

yeah and where's mighty poland?

owned by german and russia hah

[Soldier1488able]

amazing map, north italian federation might become real in some years, our padanian comrades are a true middle european country. FORZA PADANIA!!!

[albertjenajbolji]

Thanks for not forgetting Bosnia ;-)

[Mihajlo261]

Austria and Hungary were not separated theye were Empire,Also Italy was united 1870. Bosnia and Croatia werent have theye countryies in world war 1 theye were released 1918 wenn Austro-Hungarian Empire was separated.

[CaptainRex143]

I like this :D

[asdfasqwrt]

I think you should have unified Serbia, Montenegro and Bosnia into one state-Serbia, or maybe Croatia+Serbia+Bosnia+Monteneg­ro+Bulgaria=Yugoslavia :D

Plus there are some errors with Croatia and Hungary, parts north of Bosnia are Croatian, well in this video they should be. And what happened to Poland?

[November10th1775USMC]

This is incredibly wrong. The German Empire had already been formed by this time as well as Astro Hungary and there was never a Hungarian Empire split up from Austria before modern day. And your forgetting a whole bunch of Italian states like Modena, Piedmont, Tuscany and so on. And also Venice was part of Austro Hungary.

[bronkoghma]

i study history, but....

would you care to elaborate the changes?

cause like this, it doesn't seem...like anything...sorry

looks pretty random

[KuvayiMilliye666]

This is the true

[darnjack0roll]

where the fuck is finland?!

[p5ivan]

I devised an alternate history based on one of my ancestors masturbating more.....

[123systemlord]

German Politik of War 

[defern64]

I hate it when people just pull out random shit from thin air and expect people to buy it. This "alternative history" is full of it.

[valldevall]

go back in mongolia

[liinisx]

Stop making videos without doing a basic research first.

[wilcoxchar]

@liinisx

I probably put more research into this than you have for anything.

[liinisx]

@wilcoxchar No seriously if you are trying to make some kind of Alternate history map you need at least 3 - 4 credible sources...

[SuperTravis898]

@wilcoxchar hey not to say your wrong, but why is Bavaria owned by Austria, it being my home state I dont think it was ever owned by Austria, infacted[oveously or there would never be a germany] it sided with prussia until the unification then thats why they wared with austria to have Bavaria join. It might be a blank spot in my history, but I was just asking

[wilcoxchar]

@SuperTravis898 Actually, Bavaria generally sided with Austria during the 19th century in the German Confederation all the way up to the Austro-Prussian War in 1866 when Prussia pretty much forced most of the German states to accept Prussian hegemony over Germany. In this history, Prussia either accepted only incorporating the northern German states or was unable to break the Austrian hold over Bavaria, Bade, and Wurttemberg.. 

[SuperTravis898]

@wilcoxchar Sorry, I seemed to miss the word alternate, dearly sorry, you are right if it alternate.

[TheGreentomato123]

@wilcoxchar Dude, Norway have never been apart of Sweden.... Just a union, and Norway has also been in union with Denmark, sorry you failed on this vid.

[wilcoxchar]

@TheGreentomato123 I know that Norway was in a personal union with Sweden. The usual convention on every map I've seen during the 19th century shows Sweden and Norway as a unified country, just like every map shows Denmark and Norway completely unified while they were in a personal union.

[RhoDaZZGR]

@wilcoxchar Norway and Denmark were technically in personal union but Norway was annexed as an integral part of the realm by the council of the realm in 1536. Sweden, however, never formally (or de-facto) annexed Norway (it was granted to the King of Sweden, not the Kingdom of Sweden).

[ophone77]

Bah!

You incorporated Luxembourg into the German Reich?!

Are you crazy?

"Frot dir no alle Säiten hin, mir wëlle jo keng Preise gin!"

[Xaz88]

Where is Poland?! You forgot one of the biggest and greatest country in Europe you ignorant!

[calocaerus]

@Xaz88

A lesson in Polish history:

In 1772, 1793 and 1795 Russia, Prussia and Austria divided the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. Poland ceased to exist as an independent nation.

In 1807 Napoleon Bonaparte created a Polish client-state, called the duchy of Warsaw.

In 1815 at ther Congress of Vienna that duchy was given to Russia as Congress Poland.

After World War I (1918) Poland regained its independence as a republic.

Hope you understand now why Poland is not on the map.

[Xaz88]

@calocaerus As I thought, you're from the Netherlands, the country which has never won any single war.

1st of all. Poland is 6 centuries older than the Netherlands.

XVI century - Polish golden age - We were one of the greatest and richest country in the world.

1569 - The union of Lublin. From this time on Poland and Lithuania are knows as The Republic of Both Nations and prosper together on almost 1.000.000 swuare kilometers of central and eastern Europe

[Quintinohthree]

@Xaz88

The Dutch never won a war eh? They did win:

the 80 years war and the 30 years war;

two of the four Anglo-Dutch wars, also lost two;

the war on Napoleon's France after its anexation;

quite a lot of wars for colonies.

The Anglo-Boer wars also deserve a mention. The Boers weren't Dutch anymore but they certainly identified (still do) themselves as closely related to the Dutch and won the first while immensely undermanned, even more so than the Dutch were in their wars against the English.

[Xaz88]

@calocaerus

In 1610 Poland invaded and occuped Moscow. Our great prince has been nominated for the tsar of Moscow

In 1683 our great king Sobieski has crushed and stopped Turkish hordes (by the way! They now take Germany, The Netherlands and other nations without swords and shields.) under Vienna.

in 3rd May 1791 The Polish parliament announces the signing of the Constitution. It is the second such important act in the world (after the US) and the first one in Europe.

[calocaerus]

@Xaz88 I know that the Polish did some geat stuff in the history, but at the time span of this map the country was part of Russia and because of that non-existant. And that's why it is not on the map.

thought I explained that ver well in m last post.

[Xaz88]

@calocaerus We have never been a part of russia and will not be. This mape is a fake.

[XmadonaX]

@Xaz88

Don't deny historical facts. You only make yourself look dumb.

[Xaz88]

@XmadonaX Oh really? then tell me when Poland was a part of russia huh? c'mon clever man, tell me

[calocaerus]

@Xaz88

I think I already did that a few posts back.

[Xaz88]

@calocaerus Not you, I'm writting to XmadonaX

[XmadonaX]

@Xaz88 First I'm not a man, I'm a woman! Second I haven't written that because that was calocaerus. He was on my account.

[Xaz88]

@XmadonaX Then show me the post where you proved that Poland was a part of russia

[calocaerus]

@Xaz88 Remember this?

"In 1815 at ther Congress of Vienna that duchy was given to Russia as Congress Poland.

After World War I (1918) Poland regained its independence as a republic."

[Xaz88]

@calocaerus This is pathetic argument, russians just annexated and occuped us for 123 years but we have never forget that we are Poles!!

[calocaerus]

@Xaz88

Can't remember that I said you became Russians, just that your country was part of Russia. Which happened during that occupation.

[Xaz88]

@calocaerus Pfffft! Your country also shouldn't be on this map because you were annexated by France in 1810!

See? same pathetic argument as yours.

Poland is a medival nation with gorgeous culture and history. We were always first to fight for freedom and no one can erase us from the maps of Europe just like that !

[Xaz88]

@calocaerus Oh and by the way, look at this stupid map. There is a country called "Empire of All Russias". Now I am quoting your last post: "Can't remember that I said you became Russians" Then I am asking once again! Where is Poland? This map is so fake and shame

[Xaz88]

@calocaerus I don't want to argue with you. I've been to your country once and met a lot of friendly people there. It's sad that you reduce Polish deserts in European history and want to kick us out from the maps. We are nation of proud men and we will always stand against the enemies to save our country.

[calocaerus]

@Xaz88

take the facts as they are. Poland was annexed by Russia, official name Empire of All Russias, against their will. Just cause they had a great past and future is no reason to put a country on a historical map. I have nothing against Poland or you, I just try to make you understand why Poland is not on the map. Which seems almost impossible. No accurate map of Europe in the 19th century shows Poland.

[TheShadowwolf88]

@calocaerus

Actually Poland were divided between Prussia,Austria-Hungary and Russia!

But one historical fact is that NO one have EVER been able to subjugate the poles for long a few centuries at "best" both the germans and the russians and (especially) the Austrians learned this the painful way!

[calocaerus]

@Xaz88

If there was a map with the Netherlands on it from 1810 I would have complained that it is wrong. But we were restored by the Congress of Vienna in 1815, so the Netherlands is on the map.

As you don't want to argue any further I wish you a nice day and good luck!

[torrente123456789]

jajajajajaja

los rusos se adelantaron a su tiempo

[NegruBK]

lol hi got dat from a game i think empires its cold lame ....

[AnimeAnalist]

You people do understand that he said ALTERNATE HISTORY!!! Which means at some point the timeline of his universe diverged from our timeline.

[dedder15]

your maps are wrong

[kojPRVpocna]

this aren`t right maps, central balkan region was under ottoman `till 1913

[kojPRVpocna]

oh but it is alternative :))))))))

[Radioshack77]

PLAIN STUPID !!

[SMCCOMM]

fail!

[Kybo96]

WRONG!!!!!

[21436587abc]

what the fuck is this???

[superdubman999]

why are italy and germany not united

[icecreaml3arrage]

fail

[zsoldos19881129]

Ria Ria Hungarya !

[cicciofiat500]

Very good maps!!!!The kingdom of two sicilies rules!!!!

[rodzynka111]

Luck of knowlage is an ignorance but publick manifestation of it is a luck of respect to yourself.

[Martok86]

cool, i would life I the "German Federation" :)

This borders are Prussia at its best.

[Thomson503]

I'm sure that Poles could destroy your "perfect world" withour Poland beetewn Germany and Russia -_-.

[wilcoxchar]

I'm sure they could, although it's not my perfect world. In fact I was planning on having the Germans support a rebellion in Congress Poland later in the war. ;)

[Mysio]

@wilcoxchar strong Germany and weak Russia Poland could be indepenent. Before WW1 Germans werent really interested in expanding east (like they did in WW2) they cared more to establish some buffer states between them and Russia from Russian teritorry (they did so durring WW1)

[Guyzo997]

why does bulgaria have macedonia?

[wilcoxchar]

Because they were able to get it in their independence war and the country wasn't scaled back like it was in our history.

[OKSODRAKamilKiel]

where are the hobbits?

[Gunsnipe95]

Expecting maybe something less boring?

[wilcoxchar]

Such as...

[devulboy1]

To imagine this world besides Europe: The U.S. never exists, no rise of the British, French & Russian empires; the Dutch, Germans & Spaniards are bigger empires instead; Africa & Latin America never became independent from Portugal & Spain; no Franco-Prussian wars & Russo-Turkish wars; nothing to trigger World wars I & II; also Hitler never existed & his horrors of Nazism never taken place; and the U.S. wouldn't achieved world's leading superpower status, no war in Iraq & no state of Israel. +

[Ikazi]

Big speculation Devulboy1. How about going back further, so no Spain exists, instead the Moors take over most of Western Europe and the Chinese end up circumnavigating the new world and expanding their first? Like I said, speculation.

[devulboy1]

If a little altercation on the treaties of 1871 and 1914 can alter the course of world history, what about the Congress of Vienna of 1815 or even the Treaty of Paris of 1763? What would Europe be without the French lose the French-Indian war, then there wasn't the American Revolution nor the French to follow in 1789 and as a result, Napoleon or his nephew Napoleon III would never risen to power. Then we wouldn't have revolutions of 1848 and Communism won't exist, no U.S.S.R. & no E.U. either. +

[1V4Victory1]

1903 WTF? France owns the ottoman empire?

[wilcoxchar]

No. The first 1905 map shows alliances.

[vonschnorkel]

what the hell...?

[steakhousemafia]

even if it was alternate, it never changes the whole 40 seconds... and it's all a map of 1914 Europe anyway... ?

[xplson]

Whats so alternative? I can't remember exactly how the map looked like in 1910 but everything looks correct to me.

[theboxinghare]

No, the difference is Germany & Italy didnt reunify. France and ottomans seem smaller and austria and hungary are divided, and spain has morocco.

I think thats all

[badwolf66]

And by 1914 the whole world was destroyed.

[AceTrax2007]

What happened after 1914 in your ATL?

[wilcoxchar]

I haven't worked on it past there, probably should though.