Completely with you and not sure if I am comfortable about it. Now I wonder what that bad feeling (as a man) means...
Might be because to many men in Germany abuse your lines of valid arguments while dealing with prostitues from eastern Europe and Asia whom I doubt they would be consenting if they would see an alternative for them. Gues your arguemnts might be completely valid in principle but only apply to a minority of the sex workers because of the premises you correctly stated.
Also what's kind of stupid in this video is that, None of you guys know ANYTHING of what it's like to be a prostitute on a street to be honest. Neither do I, so to try and like sell it off as some sort of woman's liberation and right to sell her body and do what she wants with it is stupid.When push comes to shove, lets be honest it's not like that at all. It's dirty horrible work that women are often forced into to feed a drug habit, it's fucked up for the girls involved and it should stop- MO
@0MrRib0 If you don't know what it's like to be a prostitute on the street, then don't make such strong descriptions of it. And as far as you're assuming anything about these girls, look at 1:53. They know it's not all peaches and roses.
wwoooooaaahhh .... aren't we missing the point though? most prostitutes do what they do because they suffer from a drug addiction, so even if you want to call it sex with consent... they still really don't have a choice because they need to house their addiction, that's why I think it's fucked up, not because it's putting restraints on how a woman is allowed to use her body.
@0MrRib0 "most" studies about prostitutes focus exclusively on street walkers, even though by some estimates they are less than 10% of all prostitutes. Most prostitutes are escorts, and studies typically don't interview escorts. Don't assume you know the motivations of "most" prostitutes.
@PenelopeBaden Okay fair enough, but exclusive from escorts etc. the "10%" as you say, that's still messes up, i don't think anyone wants to be force fucked by some random dude to help house a crack addiction or w.e. Also, i'm not trying to second guess anyone's motives, it's just a pretty wide ethical question to be asking, and i think this might be a fairly narrowminded view of it. All i'm saying is, it's not consensual, and it's not by choice for some prostitutes...
@0MrRib0 If it's by choice, even if motivated by poverty, it's consensual. At least as much so as any job pretty much ever is. And if people are already in a desperate situation, I don't see what help criminalizing prostitution really brings to their lives. You're just preventing them from having another option, while doing nothing to help them.
@PenelopeBaden Yeah it's consensual by technicality. It's not like she's enjoying it, indeed she barely has any choice at all. And yeah i totally respect that argument actaully, making it illegal doesn't really help. But my argument is more based at the fact that it's completely ridiculous to play it off as some sort of woman's liberation/right/bullshit because the reality of it is not like that at all is it?- at least for some people. Thus, i think it's a little narrowminded in that respect.
@0MrRib0 "Yeah it's consensual by technicality." Then so is pretty much everyone's job. Most of us wouldn't keep going to our jobs if we didn't need money to survive. I didn't enjoy being a waitress or cashier, but it was better than not having those options. No, it's not empowering for some people. For others it is. That's really what needs to be acknowledged, that people have very different experiences int he sex industry. It's not all good or all bad.
@PenelopeBaden Indeed, everyone's job is consensual by technicality. But there's a world of difference between working as a waiter, and working as a prostitute. Like i said its by choice for some people. I bet people would chose the lowliest legal job over prostitution for money for proverty or addiction ANYday. Like I said people end up doing it because there is no alternative; and its disgusting for those people. I agree yeah that is what needs to be identified with,but this is pretty bias IMO
@0MrRib0 Well, not everyone would. I know that for a fact. I've known people who have left minimum wage jobs to go into escorting. In one day they went from making $7 to $100. It's not hard to see why that was more appealing to them. I've worked in standard customer service jobs and the sex industry. There's no comparison, the customer service jobs offered me no control and dismal pay. I'd much rather be a sex worker.
@PenelopeBaden Well i'm happy for you in your new job, that's awesome if you're truly happy. However i do have to reinstate my point that you're an escort now? Which really isn't the type of prostitute that springs to mind when the word is mentioned (for me at least) i'm referring to those who have little or no choice in the matter, you yourself are not suffering from poverty or addiction, you've just went into something because it suits you better, you're not on the street getting flagged.
@0MrRib0 "Which really isn't the type of prostitute that springs to mind when the word is mentioned." No, it's not, but therein lies an important point. People have an idea as to what they think all or most prostitute's situations are like. To truly understand the sex industry, and to address sex worker's issues, we have to acknowledge that there are different demographics within the sex industry, with different needs, concerns, and issues.
@0MrRib0 I'm not seeing what's so "biased" about this video. It's not saying that the sex industry is all a bed of roses. It's not saying that abuse doesn't happen in the industry. It's not saying that you shouldn't help people in the industry who need help. It's just saying that people shouldn't make sweeping generalizations about the sex industry and it's workers.
@PenelopeBaden8:45 "WE HAVE A RIGHT TO CHOOSE WHAT HAPPENS TO OUR BODIES, AND WE WILL NOT ACCEPT YOU FORCING YOUR SCEWED MORALS ONTO US" I'm not doing anything of the sort, you want to be a hooker girl BE MY GUEST- I don't give a fuck, it's still fucked up for other people who are in that business who are there without choice; it's not liberation for them, tell that shit to the girl who's getting sodomised for a few grams, lets see if she thinks it's feminist and liberating and awesome.
@0MrRib0 The video is not directed at you specifically, of course. It's largely directed at those who want to prostitution criminalized. It is biased in the sense that it is clearly in favor of legal or decriminalized prostitution. But I don't think that means anyone is denying that some people are in fucked up situations in the industry. It seems that one can't say anything positive about the sex industry without being expected to give a disclaimer that there are negative aspects as well.
These people are all idiots. Being a feminist is something that you define for yourself. Whether you're sex-positive or anti-porn, it doesnt matter. All long as you believe that women should have equal rights as men, bam. Feminism. all of these little sub-groups are taking shit to a ridiculous level.
Other think sex workers should be defended for they have same right as any other workers even though they also recognize that there are factors of sex work that are different from other non-sex work and recognizing that prostitution is product of women's oppression. And no one is accusing others of "not being a feminist" simply because they don't recognize the view that one (group of) feminist(s) share. They do so because they believe other party's view actually harm women.
I have no clue what your "message" is. LOL!!!! It seems like you are all assuming that these "feminists" all have one opinion about sex workers. This is ongoing debate within feminist community(and there are various tendencies among feminists) as well as other leftists that engage in women's issues("feminists" aren't the only social activists who engage in women's issues). Some think prostitution should be banned for it degrades and exploits women.
Wait a minute. When did prostitution become a women's rights issue? Sure, most prostitutes are women, but not all. Look, feminism seems to like beating itself to death with its own mental masturbation. Isn't it enough to strive for equality between the sexes? Why is sex for money a women's issue? Statistics? Now, I'm not a fan of prostitution, but I don't oppose it on moral grounds, and agree that legal protection is necessary. I am objecting to its portrayal as women's issue, per se, (cont)
@garbledstoic (cont) It's my view that prostitution should be controlled, taxed, and legalized, mind you, but I did not get to that position via feminism. I do not think that personal behavior, inasmuch as it stays private, even if it differs from the mores of society, should be criminalized. To me, that includes drug use, something I also do not personally advocate but think should be tolerated. You ladies seem to be advocating prostitution as integral to feminism, which I do not get. (cont2)
@garbledstoic (cont 2) I so agree that the pseudoscience of sexual objectification should be exorcised from the attic of feminism. It wasn't necessary as a concept to ensure women's rights, and it only served as a bogey-man to denigrate males as a group. But feminists who are anti-prostitution are no less feminists in my view, just as feminists who are not lesbian are no less feminist than lesbian counterparts. Let's get back to basics -- women's equality to men -- and stop this noise.
I love this video, I'm a sex worker and its one of my biggest pet peeves when someone comes up to me and tries to convince me that being a sex worker is wrong, that I'm going to hell because of what I do as a profession. People say that I'm not educated, I just got accepted into SFSU queer studies program. People say I'm a victim of abuse and exploitation because I'm a sex worker, I say how when I choose what scenes to do and who to fuck. Keep up the good work we need more advocates like you.
@Lollipop256 your just one individual that seems to know what she is doing is right but do you realise that your degrading yourself.why did you enter the sex industry? what influenced you?
"Here, allow me to to straw man my opponents argument, throw statistics and absurd examples at you in hope that you side with me and remember we're not talking about sex slaves." Oh right, I forgot. Because if you spoke about sex slaves you'd have to acknowledge the fact that society creates a specific demand for them. This video claims that we should fix preexisting problems but doesn't state what they are or how to fix them. For the record, I'm not a militant feminist.
@meldegenerate How does "society" create a demand for sex slave? Of course, there will always be a market for sex, because people will always want sex. But that's not society's doing. That's nature.
@MissTemperence no its not its always bloody society come on look the media its constantly bombarding young girls with lots of cosmetic surgery commercials making girls more self-concious about their bodies its also giving out the message to young girls that they need to dress in a certain way to get guys attention, even in music vids they are very sexual and suggestive and young girls look at this and think thats what they must do to get boys to like them and message post continued)
great video. Maybe i would have added a couple of words about how 25% of the workers in the sex industry are male and how this is always invisibilised in the discussion? The London Sex Worker Open University is starting a channel soon with panels, and discussions filmed during our last events.
who in their right mind would want to enter the sex industry! do you really think young women can make a rational decision when the media is telling them that beauty is more important then your brains!
@crumpetsrcool First of all, the sex industry does require brains. Running your own business as an escort (and keeping it underground) does take brains. Secondly, your post seems to suggest that no woman could ever be fit to make a decision about her own sexuality, or to understand her own worth. That's pretty sexist and insulting.
@PenelopeBaden let me give you a scenario if for example a guy kidnapped a girl and put her on gun point and said to her she has two options a) sleep with him and you will live B) if you don't you will be raped and we will kill you. This girl obviously has been kidnapped and knows that if she doesn't do it she will die so the girl does it .She later goes and reports it to the police but the guys that kidnapped her say that she did it willingly and so they get away with it..(post continued)
@crumpetsrcool no the sex industry does not require brains you are using your body not your brain i'm just going to repeat what somebody else said which i wanted to say "..... I oppose exploiting something as beautiful as human sexuality for profit." for goodness sake sex trafficking -women are forced into doing things they don't want to do
stop bloody encouraging it do you really think that anyone would actually respect someone who is doing something so degrading as porn or prostitution no I don't think so I mean why the f would you say that its okay for a women to be part of the sex industry when their are millions of job opportunities out there. Open your mind people the reason why porn and prostitution STILL exists is because disgusting perverted men have encouraged it!
@crumpetsrcool There are not "millions of job opportunities out there. In case you haven't noticed, there aren't even enough crappy minimum wage jobs for everyone. There is a jobs crisis. This is not news.
@PenelopeBaden no dear turning to prostitution isn't the answer look at the definition of prostitution it is a women who does sexual favours for men. Its basically like slavery. Most women who enter prostitution are drug addicts.
@crumpetsrcool "look at the definition of prostitution it is a women who does sexual favours for men. " Oh, is that the definition? So when a man trades sexual acts to other men for money, it's not prostitution? Or are you naive enough to believe that doesn't happen? Either way, you're a fucking idiot.
@PenelopeBaden your insulting me! wow ..really mature! yes that is essentially the definition of prostitution because their are more women who are prostitutes... why? because their are women who are raped/forced into prostitution by men and used like sex toys by men just for their dame pleasure. I know that there are men who are prostitutes too but they are not at the receiving end usually the women is having stuff done to her which can damage her body.
@crumpetsrcool yes, there are more women prostitutes than men. But that doesn't change the definition, now does it? It doesn't mean it's not prostitution when a man sells sex. There are more female prositutes because it's mostly male clients, because men's sex drives are different. There is less work available for men who get into the sex industry, that's why there are fewer men in the sex industry.
@crumpetsrcool (cont) "but they are not at the receiving end." You don't think men get paid to take it up the ass? Really? You don't think men are exposed to health risks in the industry? You're clearly speaking out of your ass and know nothing about the sex industry.
@crumpetsrcool You have no idea how many women in the industry are there by their own accord and how many are not. Though it's revealing that you don't seem to give a shit about any men who might be in a bad situation. There are likely far more escorts than streetwalkers, and escorts often work for themselves, booking their own clients and arranging their own appointments, and making hundreds or thousands of dollars a day.
@PenelopeBaden so what money won't by you love and happiness it will only by you materialistic things look at all those celebs they have so much money but they are not happy their marriages are ruined e.g., Wayne Rooney he cheated on his wife with so many prostitutes and he has a son and a lovely wife and tiger woods too did the same and is now divorced.
@crumpetsrcool No, money won't buy you happiness, but having a decent paying job and working for yourself certainly contributes to a person's happiness. Besides, who are you to insinuate that people can't be in the sex industry and be happy? There are plenty of sex workers who are open and happy about their decision to choose sex work. Tiger wood's marriage was ruined because he broke his commitment, not because prostitutes exist. HE made the decision to break HIS commitment.
@PenelopeBaden that's what I just said money can't buy you happiness and no selling your most intimate parts of your body to strangers isn't the same as having a regular job and the examples I gave you of the celebs i.e.tiger was just an example of what too much money can do to a person i know that tiger woods didn't sleep with prostitutes but Wayne Rooney did and it destroyed his reputation and his family the prostitutes he used didn't care they were happy to sell their stories to the papers.
@crumpetsrcool too much money can cause problems, but not necessarily. Too little money almost always causes problems. money CONTRIBUTES to happiness and well being.The prostitutes are not to blame for people who have cheated on their spouses. That's like blaming the bakery for existing because you bought a donut and cheated on your diet. Fidelity is the responsibility of those who have made that commitment, not the responsibility of the rest of the world to help you uphold.
@crumpetsrcool "intimate parts of your body" is a social construct. There's no concrete, factual reason why your pussy/cock/ass/breasts should be considered any more taboo or private than your throat, foot, ears or male pectoral muscles. It's just a value promoted by a society that's afraid of sex, and especially female and queer sexuality. Also, they're not selling their body by having sex any more than a ballerina is selling theirs by dancing, or a construction worker by building.
@StellaEllaMaya you see thats what a prostitute would say to justify what she/ he (typically she) is doing but really she’s in denial she’s doing it for money and she’s selling her body in order to get that money. If you look at prostitution from a punters point of view they view these women as just sex toys and not real women they wouldn’t marry or respect these women like individuals bcoz she is essentially a recycled product on the market providing men sexual favours in exchange for money.
@StellaEllaMaya post continued read my first 1) I never said its a taboo you should be proud of your body and you can have sex for free i'm all for that but selling your body thats something i'm strongly against nobody should have to be a sex slave to someone else and don't say its a choice because society glamorises it and women feel pressurised to do these things.
@crumpetsrcool See, this is why you're misogynistic. Way to infantilize and objectify sex workers who, by the way, are perfectly capable of making their own career decisions and participating in fulfilling relationships. HER BODY ISN'T A PRODUCT. SHE IS OFFERING A SERVICE. Anyone who reduces a woman's body to her pussy or her worth to her body is fucking sexist. Go hang out with a few sex workers and come back to the discussion when you're educated.
@StellaEllaMaya Also I did not state that women are not capable of making their own career choices YOU made that assumption yourself. What I was trying to get across to you is that women who enter the prostitution are usually pushed into it by difficult circumstances therefore means that she isn't in the psychological state to make a rational decision if you go to demand change website the point that I just made will become more clear to you and watch..
@StellaEllaMaya and watch the testimonies of former prostitutes you might finally understand what's wrong with prostitution. And if you still don't understand the problem with prostitution then get out of earth you mindless corrupt vermin.
@crumpetsrcool If you were honestly interested in the testimony of sex workers, you would know that there are also many sex workers who are happy with their choice. You may feel that "no sane person" would do this, but that's only your opinion. It's not supported by anything, being a sex worker doesn't make you insane from any medical standpoint. That's just your own bias.
@PenelopeBaden why is it that you only acknowledge some of the points and ignore the others your obviously in your little bubble and you don't know what your talking about!
@crumpetsrcool You don't really know how to follow a point, Hon. You say sex workers are objectifying themselves. When I point out that they are not the one's who decided that being a sex worker means you can't be valued for anything other than being a sex worker, you start talking about the validity of the job, a completely different argument. Which means you've moves on to an entirely seperate point and abandoned your origional point. You do this a lot.
@crumpetsrcool And if you could brush up on the various forms of their/there/they're, that would be great. They have separate meanings and are not interchangeable. I find it really irritating when someone is trying to insult someone else's intelligence with empty insults, but cannot even write at a third grade level themselves. The irony is too great.
@PenelopeBaden oh oh! i didn't know you were the grammar police!!..this is the internet like i care about my grammar i don't need to prove myself to someone who's living in lalala land!
@StellaEllaMaya its like when someone who smokes on a regular basis and says that they will stop but really they know their deluding themselves because they know that they are addicted to the nicotine and they are aware of what the outcome (lung cancer) will be but they still continue in a similar way a sex worker knows that she is very highly likely to catch an STD and she is not only putting herself at risk but her life at risk.
@StellaEllaMaya firstly no I don't need to hang out with a bunch of diseased sex workers to educate myself I already know what their thinking their views and opinions are just inevitable (post continued)
@StellaEllaMaya do not try and insult me ..and i'm not the one who is objectifying sex workers their objectifying themselves! and you say that they are perfectly capable of fulfilling relationships as if their normal human beings their not normal any sane person wouldn't sell their sexuality to make a profit.
@crumpetsrcool "i'm not the one who is objectifying sex workers their objectifying themselves!" Just because someone does a certain job does not mean anyone has the right to reduce them to that job. Sex workers aren't doing that to themselves. Being a sex worker shouldn't objectify you, shouldn't mean that you aren't capable of being anything else anymore than being a garbage man should mean you're good for nothing other than clearing away garbage.
@PenelopeBaden being a garbage man is much less humiliating and degrading then being a sex worker you can argue all you want fact is you are in denial. garbage men keep the environment clean and safe they actually make a difference to our community whereas sex workers they do nothing to keep the environment safer. if their were no garbage men our communities would be at risk as streets would be filled with litter with no one to clean it .garbage men keep the community safe and happy!
@crumpetsrcool "being a garbage man is much less humiliating and degrading then being a sex worker." That's completely subjective. What people find degrading is a matter of personal perspective. Besides, you've sidestepped the point. Whatever you think of garbage men or service workers, it doesn't mean they should be REDUCED to their job. And neither should a sex worker. People are more than their jobs,
@PenelopeBaden 1.yeah someone who exchanges their virgina for a living should be treated as someone normal oh you are shallow! the point i was trying to get across to you is that they bring nothing good into this society I wasn't going off the point you just weren't paying any attention to what i was saying instead your too busy picking out my grammatical errors.
@crumpetsrcool And how do you suggest people's who personal sexual morals vary from yours should be treated? With degradation and derision? And you think that makes you deep? Yours is the same type of thinking that would suggest that women who don't wear burkas, or have sex before marriage, deserve to be treated poorly. Lots of people work for corporations that do a hell of a lot more damage to the world than any prostitute. There are worse things one can sell than an orgasm, darling,
@PenelopeBaden worst thing a women or man can do is prostitution like I said you just can't see the truth I can't think of any other bad profession that some one can do besides prostitution. Also they are not selling an orgasm they are selling their whole entire body. BTW do you have to accounts or something?
@PenelopeBaden (part 2) and they're not really selling their whole entire bodies, now are they? When you sell something, you don't have it anymore. They still own their body at the end of the day. They've owned their body the whole time. If you mean that they use their body to make a living, so what? We all do. By the same logic, a mailman sells their body.
@crumpetsrcool Really? The WORST thing a person can do is prostitution? Not, say, killing someone? Not polluting an environment and increasing cancer risks for residents for generations? Not selling dangerous or even deadly products? Not paying desperate people unlivable low wages? You're honestly suggesting that what 2 consenting adults do behind closed doors is more important than any of this?
@crumpetsrcool (part 2) and they're not really selling their whole entire bodies, now are they? When you sell something, you don't have it anymore. They still own their body at the end of the day. They've owned their body the whole time. If you mean that they use their body to make a living, so what? We all do. By the same logic, a mailman sells their body.
@PenelopeBaden so what if a man's sex drive is higher doesn't mean that they have to use a prostitute they should learn to control their sexual urges end of! you seem to cherry pick the points you don't like and ignore the other points I made!
@crumpetsrcool "Open your mind people the reason why porn and prostitution STILL exists is because disgusting perverted men have encouraged it!"
I am a woman and I enjoy, love, watch porn. Shocker, a woman who likes porn, oh no I'm contributing to the oppression of women!...No. The point is that porn and prostitution are not disgusting or perverted (at least sometimes). Porn and prostitution STILL exist because humans like sex.
their is A reason why people are aganist prostitution and porn it is because of the risk of catching an STD america and africa has the highest stds just look at the statistics.
@mysha67 STD's are in all sexual interactions of men and women. The STD argument means you should be against sex altogether. Prostitution does not increase or decrease the STD rate among a population.
@travelingjohn69 i'm not aganist people having sex i'm just aganist prostitution for a number a different reasons one of them being that it increases the chances of STD's for example in Africa prostitution is quiet common and the STD RATE is very high just look at the statistics if you don't believe me)unlike Britain and america they don't have any job opportunities that we have so they have to do it as a means of survival.
these women are basically saying that being a slut is okay if you say that prostitution and porn is okay then you need to seriously get your head checked. its like saying that taking drugs is okay!
You know, a sex worker and a feminist need not be mutually exclusive - I know 2 sex workers who are both socially and politically minded, and I'm pretty sure that if I asked them, they would agree that they were both feminists. The have their own businesses - they work for themselves.
i would be uncomfortable receving money for sex, that does not make it wrong. if another person is comfortable it (of an approprate age, understands and consents) and chooses to do it, i will support their choice entirly. people have the right to choose how to live their life. when we remove this choice and enforce our believes on another were become dictators.
And finally, I hate the title of this piece "Feminism vs the Sex Industry."Attacking. Let us communicate & operate NOT as this patriarchal world has taught us-we are not men, we are women & we are capable of making our views clear OUR WAY. Do you know how many misogynists & anti-feminists would love to see this-women fighting amoung themselves? Express your views intelligently & try to win over your sisters who are against legalisation.This link's on a man's page,who has anger issues with women.
Also: you seemed to be attacking feminists for keeping prostitution illegal. You should focus more on religious groups and politicians using their religious views as a platform, also patriarchal government systems, stacked with men - men who don't want prostitution legalised as it gives female sex workers power (do men feel like they've given away some of their power by seeing a sex worker?) . We disempower ourselves by attacking other women, seek the common ground, explain, not attack.
I'm a proud feminist - & I do believe that prostitution should be legalised. But is concerns me to hear at least one of you saying they are "anti-feminist." We do need to give credit where it's due, & hard-core feminists did help get us what we have today. Also, women in the 1st world/western world etc, need to remember that in some countries women are terribly marginalised - female Infanticide in India and China; in many countries women can't vote or drive a car; put to death for "adultery"
My math teacher is a 57 year old feminist and most of the students in my class are male. We have spent only 47% of a MATH class talking about MATH! The rest was just her spouting her ideas and verbaly bitch slapping every guy for so much as coughing. On the first day she spent the first 10 minutes yelling at a kid for making "Strange inhaling noises" This kid has severe asthma problems.
excelent!!! I live with a feminist and I hate how she consider that all women are victims all the time and that women should have an specific sexual behaviour. Some feminists can't think by themselves I guess... Also, I consider that men and women deserve same rights and can do the same work, but feminists deny scientific evidence of brain differences depending on sex that make generally men better for some tasks and women better for others.
Really? Fine, do whatever you want because you do have choice. But if you get robbed, raped, beat up or dieing in a bed over some STD remember it was your choice so don't expect me to feel sorry for you. By the way, anybody knows how much the main chick in the video is charging for services?
@kenfla2 you.... are.... an idiot. To expand. Being raped, or robbed is an action taken by an agressor, it isn't something invited. To clarify it is in the RAPISTS mind, not the victims, you... stupid....brainless. dumbass. I rarely resort to insult, in as much as it is a discusion ender, not facilitator, but I've no interest in actually having a discusion with someone so f***** up that they acribe rape as the victims choice is ... ZERO.
@wotmot223 You.....are..... a retard. I never said she was asking for it but they are working a job where bad thing happen allot more then you think!!!! What is the problem with my logic? You play with fire, your going to get burned. Its her choice, rather selling or not, to be with a stranger and she is taking a chance. Where the hell do you people come from who don't have any common since.
@kenfla2 It was pretty strongly implied that you felt such people deserved it when you said "don't expect me to feel sorry for you." That's a pretty calous thing to say, the implication being that these particular victims are less deserving of compassion and care than other rape victims. And it's called common SENSE, not common "since." Which, ironically, is generally considered common sense.
@MissTemperence You know its sad that 99 percent of the women on the streets dont want to be there. Common SENSE tells me you should help them get off the streets instead of telling them its ok when in their hearts they know its not. All y'all are slack bitches, all you want to do is kill any moral you can find. How in the hell can you in your head fell it is ok to sell you body at a high risk to your health not to mention the family your helping to distroy?
@kenfla2 First of all, not all prositutes are "on the streets." There appear to be far more people working through escort agencies or as independent escorts. And no one knows how many of them are satisfied with their jobs, because it's an underground job that people have to keep secret. But yes, we should help impoverished people who need it. But it doesn't follow that we have to criminalize the entire industry in order to do so.
@kenfla2 (part 2) I have plenty of morals, I just don't believe on forcing them all on everyone else through legislation. Laws are meant to build a better, safer society, not just uphold any arbitrary moral position. Prostitution, when it occurs between constenting adults, is a victimless crime. And in legal areas, there's very little std transmission due to enforced condom usage. People do lots of dangerous things- extreme sports, drinking, etc. doesn't mean it should be illegal.
@MissTemperence So how far are you willing to let things go sense you don't believe in forcing morals? Porn on daytime tv? Couple having sex in a mall full of kids around Christmas? Where is that line at that you will say its gone to far? If your daughter goes into prostitution what will you say to that?
@kenfla2 I'll explain my position again: laws should be based on what is beneficial to a society, they should be about keeping people from being abused and victimized. I'm for keeping porn away from children. We know exposing children to sexually graphic material can be bad for them. But that logic does not apply to consenting adults, they should be able to make that choice for themselves. I would have no legal say in regards to my daughter's sex life. And that's exactly how it should be.
@MissTemperence I'd asked you how you would feel if your daughter was a prositute? What is beneficial about making prosititution legal other then its going to happen anyway? There is a group out there that wants to make sleeping with little boys legal! In my state it is legal for me to sleep with a 14yr or 16yr but whatever i'm like wtf and then i see this video. So, if all these things are legal you would be ok with it right? Or is there a line you don't want to see cross?
@kenfla2 I'm sure I'd have a lot of different emotions. But how I would feel isn't relevant, we don't use that criteria to limit other people's sexuality in any other way. The benefit is that it makes things safer for both the sex workers and the clients. Again, no I am not ok with doing thing siwth children because they don't have the proper faculties to CONSENT. But, again, that logic cannot be applied to adults.
@kenfla2 "So, if all these things are legal you would be ok with it right? " Your argument is basically that if I'm ok with an adult doing something, I have to be ok with a child doing it as well. That's a fallacious argument. Would you let 10 year olds become bus drivers? Probably not. Does it then follow that we shouldn't allow adults to become bus drivers either?
@MissTemperence I told you there is a group out there who wants to make it legal to sleep with kids and you aready said you don't think its right to push your morals, so you should be ok with that right? I mean its going to happen anyway just like drugs so might as well right? And no, i'm not for sleeping with kids and i will fight to keep it eligal.
@kenfla2 Let me clarify. What I said is that "morality" in itself is not justification enough for a law. It's not justifiable to outlaw something just because it's considered "immoral" by some. Otherwise, people could vote to make all premarital sex illegal, or to make it illegal to not keep kosher, etc. We don't outlaw murder just because it's "immoral." We do it because that rule has a real practical benefit for us all. Child molestation leaves a victim. Prostitution does not.
@MissTemperence Yes, i got that but you said there is no victim well i disagree with that! Someone, somewhere gets hurt. But look, you go ahead and make it legal, I'm sure you will make everybody husband and sons very happy.
@kenfla2 In that case, someone is a victim of their own partner's deception. The problem isn't that prostitution exists, but that your partner isn't honoring your commitment. And if your partner is the type to cheat, I doubt prostitution is their one and only option. Maybe it's infidelity you want to criminalize?
@MissTemperence In that case, someone is a victim of their own partner's deception. The problem isn't that prostitution exists, but that your partner isn't honoring your commitment. And if your partner is the type to cheat, I doubt prostitution is their one and only option.
I love you people. You've just shown me that the world is not totally fucked up. I guess I watched and read far too much feminist materials on the net. I think you hit the nail on the head with that one. Nobody should be able to force others to do, or not do, anything, as long as no violence towards others is involved. Its as simple as that.
Ok, seriously. Informal trade will ever exist, so the real point here is not about legalizing the industry, but getting rid of all the prejudice related to these professionals.
But, as a father, I admit that's a very "advancing" attitude for me. I mean, in case it was legalized I'd have to raise my girl really considering the possibility of seeing her going into this business.
@gamerdaddy It wouldn't be one of her first options? How do you figure? It's not exactly hard to get into. That's one reason so many people turn towards the sex industry- it's one of the only entry level jobs that you can make a decent amount of money at, right out of the gate, with little to no investment. Legalization won't change that. It will just give the people who do take that route a lot more protection.
@DoctorRainbow8321 It really depends on how legalization changes things. Legal brothels can be expensive to run, and the prostitutes then have to worry about paying for licensing, weekly doctor exams, etc.all of which drives the price up. Prostitution in a legal brothel in Nevada is quite a bit more expensive than seeing an illegal escort or sreetwalker.
Some schools of feminism think that way - but not all schools of feminism. I appreciate the point of your video, but the fact you have an 'anti-feminist' activist on there discredits your issue (which IS a feminist issue)
If you’re saying that women can’t make their own choices, taking away their rights, making sex seem like a dirty thing (which is exactly what you do by opposing porn and prostitutes) it’s you who isn’t a “real feminist.”
Women asserting their sexual desires is liberation. But porn is not sex. So for women to assert porn and claim it as liberation is silly.
Women can assert porn only when it is not structured by the male gaze. But even a lot of women that are in porn are probably total mental weaklings, enslaved by men in their very desires. So maybe a horny feminist could make good porn from a female perspective, but what would that even mean first of all, and would it even be successful...?
@agapeiron Well porn is sex. They are clearly engaging in sexual intercourse, it isn't simulated.
And actually alot of Porn stars have a list who they will and won't work with, what they will and won't do. But of course there is that small percentage who are forced to do it, due to another man or for drugs, easy money etc and so forth.
Completely with you and not sure if I am comfortable about it. Now I wonder what that bad feeling (as a man) means...
Might be because to many men in Germany abuse your lines of valid arguments while dealing with prostitues from eastern Europe and Asia whom I doubt they would be consenting if they would see an alternative for them. Gues your arguemnts might be completely valid in principle but only apply to a minority of the sex workers because of the premises you correctly stated.
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Legalize prostitution, it is up to women to decide what they do with their bodies, not some invisble entity or men lawmakers.
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Also what's kind of stupid in this video is that, None of you guys know ANYTHING of what it's like to be a prostitute on a street to be honest. Neither do I, so to try and like sell it off as some sort of woman's liberation and right to sell her body and do what she wants with it is stupid.When push comes to shove, lets be honest it's not like that at all. It's dirty horrible work that women are often forced into to feed a drug habit, it's fucked up for the girls involved and it should stop- MO
0MrRib0 2 weeks ago
@0MrRib0 That's disregarding porn stars and escorts and stuff like that- i'm talking about the girls on the street doing it to stay alive and shit
0MrRib0 2 weeks ago
@0MrRib0 If you don't know what it's like to be a prostitute on the street, then don't make such strong descriptions of it. And as far as you're assuming anything about these girls, look at 1:53. They know it's not all peaches and roses.
tethrum 1 week ago
wwoooooaaahhh .... aren't we missing the point though? most prostitutes do what they do because they suffer from a drug addiction, so even if you want to call it sex with consent... they still really don't have a choice because they need to house their addiction, that's why I think it's fucked up, not because it's putting restraints on how a woman is allowed to use her body.
0MrRib0 2 weeks ago
@0MrRib0 "most" studies about prostitutes focus exclusively on street walkers, even though by some estimates they are less than 10% of all prostitutes. Most prostitutes are escorts, and studies typically don't interview escorts. Don't assume you know the motivations of "most" prostitutes.
PenelopeBaden 2 weeks ago
@PenelopeBaden Okay fair enough, but exclusive from escorts etc. the "10%" as you say, that's still messes up, i don't think anyone wants to be force fucked by some random dude to help house a crack addiction or w.e. Also, i'm not trying to second guess anyone's motives, it's just a pretty wide ethical question to be asking, and i think this might be a fairly narrowminded view of it. All i'm saying is, it's not consensual, and it's not by choice for some prostitutes...
0MrRib0 2 weeks ago
@0MrRib0 If it's by choice, even if motivated by poverty, it's consensual. At least as much so as any job pretty much ever is. And if people are already in a desperate situation, I don't see what help criminalizing prostitution really brings to their lives. You're just preventing them from having another option, while doing nothing to help them.
PenelopeBaden 2 weeks ago
@PenelopeBaden Yeah it's consensual by technicality. It's not like she's enjoying it, indeed she barely has any choice at all. And yeah i totally respect that argument actaully, making it illegal doesn't really help. But my argument is more based at the fact that it's completely ridiculous to play it off as some sort of woman's liberation/right/bullshit because the reality of it is not like that at all is it?- at least for some people. Thus, i think it's a little narrowminded in that respect.
0MrRib0 2 weeks ago
@0MrRib0 "Yeah it's consensual by technicality." Then so is pretty much everyone's job. Most of us wouldn't keep going to our jobs if we didn't need money to survive. I didn't enjoy being a waitress or cashier, but it was better than not having those options. No, it's not empowering for some people. For others it is. That's really what needs to be acknowledged, that people have very different experiences int he sex industry. It's not all good or all bad.
PenelopeBaden 2 weeks ago
@PenelopeBaden Indeed, everyone's job is consensual by technicality. But there's a world of difference between working as a waiter, and working as a prostitute. Like i said its by choice for some people. I bet people would chose the lowliest legal job over prostitution for money for proverty or addiction ANYday. Like I said people end up doing it because there is no alternative; and its disgusting for those people. I agree yeah that is what needs to be identified with,but this is pretty bias IMO
0MrRib0 2 weeks ago
@0MrRib0 Well, not everyone would. I know that for a fact. I've known people who have left minimum wage jobs to go into escorting. In one day they went from making $7 to $100. It's not hard to see why that was more appealing to them. I've worked in standard customer service jobs and the sex industry. There's no comparison, the customer service jobs offered me no control and dismal pay. I'd much rather be a sex worker.
PenelopeBaden 2 weeks ago
@PenelopeBaden Well i'm happy for you in your new job, that's awesome if you're truly happy. However i do have to reinstate my point that you're an escort now? Which really isn't the type of prostitute that springs to mind when the word is mentioned (for me at least) i'm referring to those who have little or no choice in the matter, you yourself are not suffering from poverty or addiction, you've just went into something because it suits you better, you're not on the street getting flagged.
0MrRib0 2 weeks ago
@0MrRib0 "Which really isn't the type of prostitute that springs to mind when the word is mentioned." No, it's not, but therein lies an important point. People have an idea as to what they think all or most prostitute's situations are like. To truly understand the sex industry, and to address sex worker's issues, we have to acknowledge that there are different demographics within the sex industry, with different needs, concerns, and issues.
PenelopeBaden 2 weeks ago
@0MrRib0 I'm not seeing what's so "biased" about this video. It's not saying that the sex industry is all a bed of roses. It's not saying that abuse doesn't happen in the industry. It's not saying that you shouldn't help people in the industry who need help. It's just saying that people shouldn't make sweeping generalizations about the sex industry and it's workers.
PenelopeBaden 2 weeks ago
@PenelopeBaden 8:45 "WE HAVE A RIGHT TO CHOOSE WHAT HAPPENS TO OUR BODIES, AND WE WILL NOT ACCEPT YOU FORCING YOUR SCEWED MORALS ONTO US" I'm not doing anything of the sort, you want to be a hooker girl BE MY GUEST- I don't give a fuck, it's still fucked up for other people who are in that business who are there without choice; it's not liberation for them, tell that shit to the girl who's getting sodomised for a few grams, lets see if she thinks it's feminist and liberating and awesome.
0MrRib0 2 weeks ago
@0MrRib0 The video is not directed at you specifically, of course. It's largely directed at those who want to prostitution criminalized. It is biased in the sense that it is clearly in favor of legal or decriminalized prostitution. But I don't think that means anyone is denying that some people are in fucked up situations in the industry. It seems that one can't say anything positive about the sex industry without being expected to give a disclaimer that there are negative aspects as well.
PenelopeBaden 2 weeks ago
Here in Spain Sex work is legal . It is not a problem.
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crumpetsrcool 1 month ago
We're all prostitutes, everytime we punch a clock to make someone else rich!!! We're all part of the greater scheme of things!!!
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@levyelegino1 I don't think you understand what this topic is about.
crumpetsrcool 1 month ago
MarinaIsTehSex is hot.
And I completely agree with you.
Legalize prostitution.
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TVGIRLAMERICA 1 month ago
These people are all idiots. Being a feminist is something that you define for yourself. Whether you're sex-positive or anti-porn, it doesnt matter. All long as you believe that women should have equal rights as men, bam. Feminism. all of these little sub-groups are taking shit to a ridiculous level.
SK84ANGELDUST 1 month ago
Other think sex workers should be defended for they have same right as any other workers even though they also recognize that there are factors of sex work that are different from other non-sex work and recognizing that prostitution is product of women's oppression. And no one is accusing others of "not being a feminist" simply because they don't recognize the view that one (group of) feminist(s) share. They do so because they believe other party's view actually harm women.
unorthodoxtrotsky 1 month ago
I have no clue what your "message" is. LOL!!!! It seems like you are all assuming that these "feminists" all have one opinion about sex workers. This is ongoing debate within feminist community(and there are various tendencies among feminists) as well as other leftists that engage in women's issues("feminists" aren't the only social activists who engage in women's issues). Some think prostitution should be banned for it degrades and exploits women.
unorthodoxtrotsky 1 month ago
Wait a minute. When did prostitution become a women's rights issue? Sure, most prostitutes are women, but not all. Look, feminism seems to like beating itself to death with its own mental masturbation. Isn't it enough to strive for equality between the sexes? Why is sex for money a women's issue? Statistics? Now, I'm not a fan of prostitution, but I don't oppose it on moral grounds, and agree that legal protection is necessary. I am objecting to its portrayal as women's issue, per se, (cont)
garbledstoic 1 month ago
@garbledstoic (cont) It's my view that prostitution should be controlled, taxed, and legalized, mind you, but I did not get to that position via feminism. I do not think that personal behavior, inasmuch as it stays private, even if it differs from the mores of society, should be criminalized. To me, that includes drug use, something I also do not personally advocate but think should be tolerated. You ladies seem to be advocating prostitution as integral to feminism, which I do not get. (cont2)
garbledstoic 1 month ago
@garbledstoic (cont 2) I so agree that the pseudoscience of sexual objectification should be exorcised from the attic of feminism. It wasn't necessary as a concept to ensure women's rights, and it only served as a bogey-man to denigrate males as a group. But feminists who are anti-prostitution are no less feminists in my view, just as feminists who are not lesbian are no less feminist than lesbian counterparts. Let's get back to basics -- women's equality to men -- and stop this noise.
garbledstoic 1 month ago
I love this video, I'm a sex worker and its one of my biggest pet peeves when someone comes up to me and tries to convince me that being a sex worker is wrong, that I'm going to hell because of what I do as a profession. People say that I'm not educated, I just got accepted into SFSU queer studies program. People say I'm a victim of abuse and exploitation because I'm a sex worker, I say how when I choose what scenes to do and who to fuck. Keep up the good work we need more advocates like you.
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@Lollipop256 your just one individual that seems to know what she is doing is right but do you realise that your degrading yourself.why did you enter the sex industry? what influenced you?
crumpetsrcool 1 month ago
"Here, allow me to to straw man my opponents argument, throw statistics and absurd examples at you in hope that you side with me and remember we're not talking about sex slaves." Oh right, I forgot. Because if you spoke about sex slaves you'd have to acknowledge the fact that society creates a specific demand for them. This video claims that we should fix preexisting problems but doesn't state what they are or how to fix them. For the record, I'm not a militant feminist.
meldegenerate 2 months ago
@meldegenerate How does "society" create a demand for sex slave? Of course, there will always be a market for sex, because people will always want sex. But that's not society's doing. That's nature.
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@MissTemperence no its not its always bloody society come on look the media its constantly bombarding young girls with lots of cosmetic surgery commercials making girls more self-concious about their bodies its also giving out the message to young girls that they need to dress in a certain way to get guys attention, even in music vids they are very sexual and suggestive and young girls look at this and think thats what they must do to get boys to like them and message post continued)
mysha67 1 month ago
@mysha67 media and society are very closely linked.
MissTemperence 1 month ago
great video. Maybe i would have added a couple of words about how 25% of the workers in the sex industry are male and how this is always invisibilised in the discussion? The London Sex Worker Open University is starting a channel soon with panels, and discussions filmed during our last events.
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I'm all for it!
wRTGyt 2 months ago
@Joyw72 -_- Its *cough* legal in a way...
pochopaz7381 2 months ago
who in their right mind would want to enter the sex industry! do you really think young women can make a rational decision when the media is telling them that beauty is more important then your brains!
crumpetsrcool 2 months ago
@crumpetsrcool First of all, the sex industry does require brains. Running your own business as an escort (and keeping it underground) does take brains. Secondly, your post seems to suggest that no woman could ever be fit to make a decision about her own sexuality, or to understand her own worth. That's pretty sexist and insulting.
PenelopeBaden 1 month ago in playlist "making sex work" and responses
@PenelopeBaden let me give you a scenario if for example a guy kidnapped a girl and put her on gun point and said to her she has two options a) sleep with him and you will live B) if you don't you will be raped and we will kill you. This girl obviously has been kidnapped and knows that if she doesn't do it she will die so the girl does it .She later goes and reports it to the police but the guys that kidnapped her say that she did it willingly and so they get away with it..(post continued)
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@crumpetsrcool no the sex industry does not require brains you are using your body not your brain i'm just going to repeat what somebody else said which i wanted to say "..... I oppose exploiting something as beautiful as human sexuality for profit." for goodness sake sex trafficking -women are forced into doing things they don't want to do
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mysha67 1 month ago
stop bloody encouraging it do you really think that anyone would actually respect someone who is doing something so degrading as porn or prostitution no I don't think so I mean why the f would you say that its okay for a women to be part of the sex industry when their are millions of job opportunities out there. Open your mind people the reason why porn and prostitution STILL exists is because disgusting perverted men have encouraged it!
crumpetsrcool 2 months ago
@crumpetsrcool There are not "millions of job opportunities out there. In case you haven't noticed, there aren't even enough crappy minimum wage jobs for everyone. There is a jobs crisis. This is not news.
PenelopeBaden 1 month ago in playlist "making sex work" and responses
@PenelopeBaden no dear turning to prostitution isn't the answer look at the definition of prostitution it is a women who does sexual favours for men. Its basically like slavery. Most women who enter prostitution are drug addicts.
crumpetsrcool 1 month ago
@crumpetsrcool "look at the definition of prostitution it is a women who does sexual favours for men. " Oh, is that the definition? So when a man trades sexual acts to other men for money, it's not prostitution? Or are you naive enough to believe that doesn't happen? Either way, you're a fucking idiot.
PenelopeBaden 1 month ago
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crumpetsrcool 1 month ago
@PenelopeBaden your insulting me! wow ..really mature! yes that is essentially the definition of prostitution because their are more women who are prostitutes... why? because their are women who are raped/forced into prostitution by men and used like sex toys by men just for their dame pleasure. I know that there are men who are prostitutes too but they are not at the receiving end usually the women is having stuff done to her which can damage her body.
crumpetsrcool 1 month ago
@crumpetsrcool yes, there are more women prostitutes than men. But that doesn't change the definition, now does it? It doesn't mean it's not prostitution when a man sells sex. There are more female prositutes because it's mostly male clients, because men's sex drives are different. There is less work available for men who get into the sex industry, that's why there are fewer men in the sex industry.
PenelopeBaden 1 month ago
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crumpetsrcool 1 month ago
@crumpetsrcool (cont) "but they are not at the receiving end." You don't think men get paid to take it up the ass? Really? You don't think men are exposed to health risks in the industry? You're clearly speaking out of your ass and know nothing about the sex industry.
PenelopeBaden 1 month ago
@PenelopeBaden the majority are women in the industry that are being exploited for the body!
crumpetsrcool 1 month ago
@crumpetsrcool You have no idea how many women in the industry are there by their own accord and how many are not. Though it's revealing that you don't seem to give a shit about any men who might be in a bad situation. There are likely far more escorts than streetwalkers, and escorts often work for themselves, booking their own clients and arranging their own appointments, and making hundreds or thousands of dollars a day.
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@PenelopeBaden so what money won't by you love and happiness it will only by you materialistic things look at all those celebs they have so much money but they are not happy their marriages are ruined e.g., Wayne Rooney he cheated on his wife with so many prostitutes and he has a son and a lovely wife and tiger woods too did the same and is now divorced.
crumpetsrcool 1 month ago
@crumpetsrcool No, money won't buy you happiness, but having a decent paying job and working for yourself certainly contributes to a person's happiness. Besides, who are you to insinuate that people can't be in the sex industry and be happy? There are plenty of sex workers who are open and happy about their decision to choose sex work. Tiger wood's marriage was ruined because he broke his commitment, not because prostitutes exist. HE made the decision to break HIS commitment.
PenelopeBaden 1 month ago
@PenelopeBaden that's what I just said money can't buy you happiness and no selling your most intimate parts of your body to strangers isn't the same as having a regular job and the examples I gave you of the celebs i.e.tiger was just an example of what too much money can do to a person i know that tiger woods didn't sleep with prostitutes but Wayne Rooney did and it destroyed his reputation and his family the prostitutes he used didn't care they were happy to sell their stories to the papers.
crumpetsrcool 1 month ago
@crumpetsrcool too much money can cause problems, but not necessarily. Too little money almost always causes problems. money CONTRIBUTES to happiness and well being.The prostitutes are not to blame for people who have cheated on their spouses. That's like blaming the bakery for existing because you bought a donut and cheated on your diet. Fidelity is the responsibility of those who have made that commitment, not the responsibility of the rest of the world to help you uphold.
PenelopeBaden 1 month ago
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crumpetsrcool 1 month ago
@crumpetsrcool Hmmm...looks like you know YOUR argument is weak, Hon. That's why you removed it.
PenelopeBaden 1 month ago
@PenelopeBaden i didn't it still their and don't call me hun!
crumpetsrcool 1 month ago
@crumpetsrcool "intimate parts of your body" is a social construct. There's no concrete, factual reason why your pussy/cock/ass/breasts should be considered any more taboo or private than your throat, foot, ears or male pectoral muscles. It's just a value promoted by a society that's afraid of sex, and especially female and queer sexuality. Also, they're not selling their body by having sex any more than a ballerina is selling theirs by dancing, or a construction worker by building.
StellaEllaMaya 1 month ago
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crumpetsrcool 1 month ago
@StellaEllaMaya you see thats what a prostitute would say to justify what she/ he (typically she) is doing but really she’s in denial she’s doing it for money and she’s selling her body in order to get that money. If you look at prostitution from a punters point of view they view these women as just sex toys and not real women they wouldn’t marry or respect these women like individuals bcoz she is essentially a recycled product on the market providing men sexual favours in exchange for money.
crumpetsrcool 1 month ago 2
@StellaEllaMaya post continued read my first 1) I never said its a taboo you should be proud of your body and you can have sex for free i'm all for that but selling your body thats something i'm strongly against nobody should have to be a sex slave to someone else and don't say its a choice because society glamorises it and women feel pressurised to do these things.
crumpetsrcool 1 month ago
@crumpetsrcool See, this is why you're misogynistic. Way to infantilize and objectify sex workers who, by the way, are perfectly capable of making their own career decisions and participating in fulfilling relationships. HER BODY ISN'T A PRODUCT. SHE IS OFFERING A SERVICE. Anyone who reduces a woman's body to her pussy or her worth to her body is fucking sexist. Go hang out with a few sex workers and come back to the discussion when you're educated.
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@StellaEllaMaya Also I did not state that women are not capable of making their own career choices YOU made that assumption yourself. What I was trying to get across to you is that women who enter the prostitution are usually pushed into it by difficult circumstances therefore means that she isn't in the psychological state to make a rational decision if you go to demand change website the point that I just made will become more clear to you and watch..
crumpetsrcool 1 month ago
@StellaEllaMaya and watch the testimonies of former prostitutes you might finally understand what's wrong with prostitution. And if you still don't understand the problem with prostitution then get out of earth you mindless corrupt vermin.
crumpetsrcool 1 month ago
@crumpetsrcool If you were honestly interested in the testimony of sex workers, you would know that there are also many sex workers who are happy with their choice. You may feel that "no sane person" would do this, but that's only your opinion. It's not supported by anything, being a sex worker doesn't make you insane from any medical standpoint. That's just your own bias.
PenelopeBaden 3 weeks ago in playlist "making sex work" and responses
@PenelopeBaden why is it that you only acknowledge some of the points and ignore the others your obviously in your little bubble and you don't know what your talking about!
crumpetsrcool 3 weeks ago
@crumpetsrcool You don't really know how to follow a point, Hon. You say sex workers are objectifying themselves. When I point out that they are not the one's who decided that being a sex worker means you can't be valued for anything other than being a sex worker, you start talking about the validity of the job, a completely different argument. Which means you've moves on to an entirely seperate point and abandoned your origional point. You do this a lot.
PenelopeBaden 3 weeks ago
@crumpetsrcool And if you could brush up on the various forms of their/there/they're, that would be great. They have separate meanings and are not interchangeable. I find it really irritating when someone is trying to insult someone else's intelligence with empty insults, but cannot even write at a third grade level themselves. The irony is too great.
PenelopeBaden 3 weeks ago
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@PenelopeBaden oh oh! i didn't know you were the grammar police!!..this is the internet like i care about my grammar i don't need to prove myself to someone who's living in lalala land!
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@StellaEllaMaya its like when someone who smokes on a regular basis and says that they will stop but really they know their deluding themselves because they know that they are addicted to the nicotine and they are aware of what the outcome (lung cancer) will be but they still continue in a similar way a sex worker knows that she is very highly likely to catch an STD and she is not only putting herself at risk but her life at risk.
crumpetsrcool 1 month ago
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@StellaEllaMaya firstly no I don't need to hang out with a bunch of diseased sex workers to educate myself I already know what their thinking their views and opinions are just inevitable (post continued)
crumpetsrcool 1 month ago
@StellaEllaMaya do not try and insult me ..and i'm not the one who is objectifying sex workers their objectifying themselves! and you say that they are perfectly capable of fulfilling relationships as if their normal human beings their not normal any sane person wouldn't sell their sexuality to make a profit.
crumpetsrcool 1 month ago
@crumpetsrcool "i'm not the one who is objectifying sex workers their objectifying themselves!" Just because someone does a certain job does not mean anyone has the right to reduce them to that job. Sex workers aren't doing that to themselves. Being a sex worker shouldn't objectify you, shouldn't mean that you aren't capable of being anything else anymore than being a garbage man should mean you're good for nothing other than clearing away garbage.
PenelopeBaden 3 weeks ago
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crumpetsrcool 3 weeks ago
@PenelopeBaden being a garbage man is much less humiliating and degrading then being a sex worker you can argue all you want fact is you are in denial. garbage men keep the environment clean and safe they actually make a difference to our community whereas sex workers they do nothing to keep the environment safer. if their were no garbage men our communities would be at risk as streets would be filled with litter with no one to clean it .garbage men keep the community safe and happy!
crumpetsrcool 3 weeks ago
@crumpetsrcool "being a garbage man is much less humiliating and degrading then being a sex worker." That's completely subjective. What people find degrading is a matter of personal perspective. Besides, you've sidestepped the point. Whatever you think of garbage men or service workers, it doesn't mean they should be REDUCED to their job. And neither should a sex worker. People are more than their jobs,
PenelopeBaden 3 weeks ago
@PenelopeBaden 1.yeah someone who exchanges their virgina for a living should be treated as someone normal oh you are shallow! the point i was trying to get across to you is that they bring nothing good into this society I wasn't going off the point you just weren't paying any attention to what i was saying instead your too busy picking out my grammatical errors.
crumpetsrcool 3 weeks ago
@crumpetsrcool And how do you suggest people's who personal sexual morals vary from yours should be treated? With degradation and derision? And you think that makes you deep? Yours is the same type of thinking that would suggest that women who don't wear burkas, or have sex before marriage, deserve to be treated poorly. Lots of people work for corporations that do a hell of a lot more damage to the world than any prostitute. There are worse things one can sell than an orgasm, darling,
PenelopeBaden 3 weeks ago
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crumpetsrcool 2 weeks ago
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@PenelopeBaden worst thing a women or man can do is prostitution like I said you just can't see the truth I can't think of any other bad profession that some one can do besides prostitution. Also they are not selling an orgasm they are selling their whole entire body. BTW do you have to accounts or something?
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PenelopeBaden 2 weeks ago
@PenelopeBaden (part 2) and they're not really selling their whole entire bodies, now are they? When you sell something, you don't have it anymore. They still own their body at the end of the day. They've owned their body the whole time. If you mean that they use their body to make a living, so what? We all do. By the same logic, a mailman sells their body.
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@crumpetsrcool Really? The WORST thing a person can do is prostitution? Not, say, killing someone? Not polluting an environment and increasing cancer risks for residents for generations? Not selling dangerous or even deadly products? Not paying desperate people unlivable low wages? You're honestly suggesting that what 2 consenting adults do behind closed doors is more important than any of this?
PenelopeBaden 2 weeks ago in playlist "making sex work" and responses
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@crumpetsrcool (part 2) and they're not really selling their whole entire bodies, now are they? When you sell something, you don't have it anymore. They still own their body at the end of the day. They've owned their body the whole time. If you mean that they use their body to make a living, so what? We all do. By the same logic, a mailman sells their body.
PenelopeBaden 2 weeks ago in playlist "making sex work" and responses
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@PenelopeBaden so what if a man's sex drive is higher doesn't mean that they have to use a prostitute they should learn to control their sexual urges end of! you seem to cherry pick the points you don't like and ignore the other points I made!
crumpetsrcool 1 month ago
@crumpetsrcool "Open your mind people the reason why porn and prostitution STILL exists is because disgusting perverted men have encouraged it!"
I am a woman and I enjoy, love, watch porn. Shocker, a woman who likes porn, oh no I'm contributing to the oppression of women!...No. The point is that porn and prostitution are not disgusting or perverted (at least sometimes). Porn and prostitution STILL exist because humans like sex.
carminav25 1 month ago
what about suicide? should that be legal?
Joyw72 2 months ago in playlist More videos from ZOMGitsCriss
I haven't thought much about this but you make a very good point. All of you. Thanks for sharing.
yashaouchan 2 months ago
ZOMGitsCriss for president!
tabularasa0606 2 months ago
their is A reason why people are aganist prostitution and porn it is because of the risk of catching an STD america and africa has the highest stds just look at the statistics.
mysha67 2 months ago
@mysha67 STD's are in all sexual interactions of men and women. The STD argument means you should be against sex altogether. Prostitution does not increase or decrease the STD rate among a population.
travelingjohn69 1 month ago
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@travelingjohn69 i'm not aganist people having sex i'm just aganist prostitution for a number a different reasons one of them being that it increases the chances of STD's for example in Africa prostitution is quiet common and the STD RATE is very high just look at the statistics if you don't believe me)unlike Britain and america they don't have any job opportunities that we have so they have to do it as a means of survival.
mysha67 1 month ago
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these women are basically saying that being a slut is okay if you say that prostitution and porn is okay then you need to seriously get your head checked. its like saying that taking drugs is okay!
mysha67 2 months ago
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these women have been completely brainwashed by men.
mysha67 2 months ago
You know, a sex worker and a feminist need not be mutually exclusive - I know 2 sex workers who are both socially and politically minded, and I'm pretty sure that if I asked them, they would agree that they were both feminists. The have their own businesses - they work for themselves.
catcomplex 2 months ago
Hi, actually, the title at the front of the film says "Making Sex Work" - Feminism vs. the Sex Industry - Watch! It is the sub-title.
catcomplex 2 months ago
i would be uncomfortable receving money for sex, that does not make it wrong. if another person is comfortable it (of an approprate age, understands and consents) and chooses to do it, i will support their choice entirly. people have the right to choose how to live their life. when we remove this choice and enforce our believes on another were become dictators.
viv0rawr 2 months ago
And finally, I hate the title of this piece "Feminism vs the Sex Industry."Attacking. Let us communicate & operate NOT as this patriarchal world has taught us-we are not men, we are women & we are capable of making our views clear OUR WAY. Do you know how many misogynists & anti-feminists would love to see this-women fighting amoung themselves? Express your views intelligently & try to win over your sisters who are against legalisation.This link's on a man's page,who has anger issues with women.
catcomplex 2 months ago
@catcomplex The title of this piece is "Making sex work." Not "Feminism vs the Sex Industry."
MissTemperence 2 months ago
Also: you seemed to be attacking feminists for keeping prostitution illegal. You should focus more on religious groups and politicians using their religious views as a platform, also patriarchal government systems, stacked with men - men who don't want prostitution legalised as it gives female sex workers power (do men feel like they've given away some of their power by seeing a sex worker?) . We disempower ourselves by attacking other women, seek the common ground, explain, not attack.
catcomplex 2 months ago
I'm a proud feminist - & I do believe that prostitution should be legalised. But is concerns me to hear at least one of you saying they are "anti-feminist." We do need to give credit where it's due, & hard-core feminists did help get us what we have today. Also, women in the 1st world/western world etc, need to remember that in some countries women are terribly marginalised - female Infanticide in India and China; in many countries women can't vote or drive a car; put to death for "adultery"
catcomplex 2 months ago
My math teacher is a 57 year old feminist and most of the students in my class are male. We have spent only 47% of a MATH class talking about MATH! The rest was just her spouting her ideas and verbaly bitch slapping every guy for so much as coughing. On the first day she spent the first 10 minutes yelling at a kid for making "Strange inhaling noises" This kid has severe asthma problems.
malaxvor 2 months ago in playlist More videos from ZOMGitsCriss
@malaxvor Does that have anything to do with this video?
MissTemperence 2 months ago
@MissTemperence I mentioned it because it seemed feminism was rather prominent in the begining.
malaxvor 2 months ago
@malaxvor And you felt that an off hand story about one particular feminist you didn't like was somehow relevant?
MissTemperence 2 months ago
@MissTemperence Apparently so.
malaxvor 2 months ago
Take that you feminist. Also wanting a sex servant is ok. There is a difference between a sex slave and a sex servant.
travelingjohn69 2 months ago
Take that you feminist.
travelingjohn69 2 months ago
Awesome video
RagingHydra 2 months ago
excellent video
SchizophrenicDelight 2 months ago in playlist More videos from ZOMGitsCriss
excelent!!! I live with a feminist and I hate how she consider that all women are victims all the time and that women should have an specific sexual behaviour. Some feminists can't think by themselves I guess... Also, I consider that men and women deserve same rights and can do the same work, but feminists deny scientific evidence of brain differences depending on sex that make generally men better for some tasks and women better for others.
atikokapo 2 months ago
@atikokapo You need to move out.
travelingjohn69 2 months ago
Really? Fine, do whatever you want because you do have choice. But if you get robbed, raped, beat up or dieing in a bed over some STD remember it was your choice so don't expect me to feel sorry for you. By the way, anybody knows how much the main chick in the video is charging for services?
kenfla2 2 months ago
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@kenfla2 If you die from being a douche, don't expect me to feel sorry for you. It was your choice to be a douche.
NerdySabbath 2 months ago
@kenfla2 you.... are.... an idiot. To expand. Being raped, or robbed is an action taken by an agressor, it isn't something invited. To clarify it is in the RAPISTS mind, not the victims, you... stupid....brainless. dumbass. I rarely resort to insult, in as much as it is a discusion ender, not facilitator, but I've no interest in actually having a discusion with someone so f***** up that they acribe rape as the victims choice is ... ZERO.
wotmot223 2 months ago
@wotmot223 You.....are..... a retard. I never said she was asking for it but they are working a job where bad thing happen allot more then you think!!!! What is the problem with my logic? You play with fire, your going to get burned. Its her choice, rather selling or not, to be with a stranger and she is taking a chance. Where the hell do you people come from who don't have any common since.
kenfla2 2 months ago
@kenfla2 It was pretty strongly implied that you felt such people deserved it when you said "don't expect me to feel sorry for you." That's a pretty calous thing to say, the implication being that these particular victims are less deserving of compassion and care than other rape victims. And it's called common SENSE, not common "since." Which, ironically, is generally considered common sense.
MissTemperence 2 months ago
@MissTemperence You know its sad that 99 percent of the women on the streets dont want to be there. Common SENSE tells me you should help them get off the streets instead of telling them its ok when in their hearts they know its not. All y'all are slack bitches, all you want to do is kill any moral you can find. How in the hell can you in your head fell it is ok to sell you body at a high risk to your health not to mention the family your helping to distroy?
kenfla2 2 months ago
@kenfla2 First of all, not all prositutes are "on the streets." There appear to be far more people working through escort agencies or as independent escorts. And no one knows how many of them are satisfied with their jobs, because it's an underground job that people have to keep secret. But yes, we should help impoverished people who need it. But it doesn't follow that we have to criminalize the entire industry in order to do so.
MissTemperence 2 months ago
@kenfla2 (part 2) I have plenty of morals, I just don't believe on forcing them all on everyone else through legislation. Laws are meant to build a better, safer society, not just uphold any arbitrary moral position. Prostitution, when it occurs between constenting adults, is a victimless crime. And in legal areas, there's very little std transmission due to enforced condom usage. People do lots of dangerous things- extreme sports, drinking, etc. doesn't mean it should be illegal.
MissTemperence 2 months ago
@MissTemperence So how far are you willing to let things go sense you don't believe in forcing morals? Porn on daytime tv? Couple having sex in a mall full of kids around Christmas? Where is that line at that you will say its gone to far? If your daughter goes into prostitution what will you say to that?
kenfla2 2 months ago
@kenfla2 I'll explain my position again: laws should be based on what is beneficial to a society, they should be about keeping people from being abused and victimized. I'm for keeping porn away from children. We know exposing children to sexually graphic material can be bad for them. But that logic does not apply to consenting adults, they should be able to make that choice for themselves. I would have no legal say in regards to my daughter's sex life. And that's exactly how it should be.
MissTemperence 2 months ago
@MissTemperence I'd asked you how you would feel if your daughter was a prositute? What is beneficial about making prosititution legal other then its going to happen anyway? There is a group out there that wants to make sleeping with little boys legal! In my state it is legal for me to sleep with a 14yr or 16yr but whatever i'm like wtf and then i see this video. So, if all these things are legal you would be ok with it right? Or is there a line you don't want to see cross?
kenfla2 2 months ago
@kenfla2 I'm sure I'd have a lot of different emotions. But how I would feel isn't relevant, we don't use that criteria to limit other people's sexuality in any other way. The benefit is that it makes things safer for both the sex workers and the clients. Again, no I am not ok with doing thing siwth children because they don't have the proper faculties to CONSENT. But, again, that logic cannot be applied to adults.
MissTemperence 2 months ago
@kenfla2 "So, if all these things are legal you would be ok with it right? " Your argument is basically that if I'm ok with an adult doing something, I have to be ok with a child doing it as well. That's a fallacious argument. Would you let 10 year olds become bus drivers? Probably not. Does it then follow that we shouldn't allow adults to become bus drivers either?
MissTemperence 2 months ago
@MissTemperence I told you there is a group out there who wants to make it legal to sleep with kids and you aready said you don't think its right to push your morals, so you should be ok with that right? I mean its going to happen anyway just like drugs so might as well right? And no, i'm not for sleeping with kids and i will fight to keep it eligal.
kenfla2 2 months ago
@kenfla2 Let me clarify. What I said is that "morality" in itself is not justification enough for a law. It's not justifiable to outlaw something just because it's considered "immoral" by some. Otherwise, people could vote to make all premarital sex illegal, or to make it illegal to not keep kosher, etc. We don't outlaw murder just because it's "immoral." We do it because that rule has a real practical benefit for us all. Child molestation leaves a victim. Prostitution does not.
MissTemperence 2 months ago
@MissTemperence Yes, i got that but you said there is no victim well i disagree with that! Someone, somewhere gets hurt. But look, you go ahead and make it legal, I'm sure you will make everybody husband and sons very happy.
kenfla2 2 months ago
@kenfla2 If two adults consent to trade sex for money, who is the victim? And why? Who has been victimized?
MissTemperence 1 month ago
@MissTemperence Spouse comes to mind especally if there is a desease involved
kenfla2 1 month ago
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@kenfla2 In that case, someone is a victim of their own partner's deception. The problem isn't that prostitution exists, but that your partner isn't honoring your commitment. And if your partner is the type to cheat, I doubt prostitution is their one and only option. Maybe it's infidelity you want to criminalize?
MissTemperence 1 month ago
@MissTemperence In that case, someone is a victim of their own partner's deception. The problem isn't that prostitution exists, but that your partner isn't honoring your commitment. And if your partner is the type to cheat, I doubt prostitution is their one and only option.
MissTemperence 1 month ago
I love you people. You've just shown me that the world is not totally fucked up. I guess I watched and read far too much feminist materials on the net. I think you hit the nail on the head with that one. Nobody should be able to force others to do, or not do, anything, as long as no violence towards others is involved. Its as simple as that.
PeterTheEvilBastard 3 months ago
Those were the weirdest kitchen I ever seen.
ErikRicardoLC 3 months ago in playlist Más videos de ZOMGitsCriss
great video
albertbox07 3 months ago
i state my support.
crackintoes 3 months ago
Ok, I agree, women have the right to decide on their own bodies.
But I can't help thinking... Wouldn't legalization make the service more expensive?
gamerdaddy 3 months ago
@gamerdaddy Actually it would make it cheaper, since a lot more women would be willing to do it.
DoctorRainbow8321 3 months ago
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gamerdaddy 3 months ago
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Now, you've got a point, baby!
Ok, seriously. Informal trade will ever exist, so the real point here is not about legalizing the industry, but getting rid of all the prejudice related to these professionals.
But, as a father, I admit that's a very "advancing" attitude for me. I mean, in case it was legalized I'd have to raise my girl really considering the possibility of seeing her going into this business.
Quite a stride "ahead", huh?
gamerdaddy 3 months ago
@gamerdaddy Of course, prostitution being illegal does not mean there is no chance of your daughter going into it.
MissTemperence 3 months ago
@MissTemperence
Surely, but that wouldn't be one her (my hypothetical daughter, since I only have a boy) first options.
As soon as prostitution becomes legalized, teenagers will seriously consider it as a valid, reasonable option.
Look, I'm not saying I'm against the idea, I just point out the new dilemma that would come with it.
gamerdaddy 3 months ago
@gamerdaddy It wouldn't be one of her first options? How do you figure? It's not exactly hard to get into. That's one reason so many people turn towards the sex industry- it's one of the only entry level jobs that you can make a decent amount of money at, right out of the gate, with little to no investment. Legalization won't change that. It will just give the people who do take that route a lot more protection.
MissTemperence 3 months ago
@DoctorRainbow8321 It really depends on how legalization changes things. Legal brothels can be expensive to run, and the prostitutes then have to worry about paying for licensing, weekly doctor exams, etc.all of which drives the price up. Prostitution in a legal brothel in Nevada is quite a bit more expensive than seeing an illegal escort or sreetwalker.
MissTemperence 3 months ago
Some schools of feminism think that way - but not all schools of feminism. I appreciate the point of your video, but the fact you have an 'anti-feminist' activist on there discredits your issue (which IS a feminist issue)
upsidedowntumble 3 months ago
If you’re saying that women can’t make their own choices, taking away their rights, making sex seem like a dirty thing (which is exactly what you do by opposing porn and prostitutes) it’s you who isn’t a “real feminist.”
comeclarityy 3 months ago
awesome!
SShamit1 3 months ago in playlist More videos from ZOMGitsCriss
Great video, I couldn't agree more. Feminists are against ALL forms of porn, they like to tell women that sex is bad and prostitution is wrong.
Feminists need to let woman make their own decisions regarding porn and prostitution.
jamesbond007hot 3 months ago
@jamesbond007hot She's saying radical feminists. She is a feminist herself.
DoctorRainbow8321 3 months ago
I need to show this to some of my more uppity moral high-horse friends lol!
I couldn't agree more with this entire vid.
spleanicus 3 months ago
Women asserting their sexual desires is liberation. But porn is not sex. So for women to assert porn and claim it as liberation is silly.
Women can assert porn only when it is not structured by the male gaze. But even a lot of women that are in porn are probably total mental weaklings, enslaved by men in their very desires. So maybe a horny feminist could make good porn from a female perspective, but what would that even mean first of all, and would it even be successful...?
agapeiron 3 months ago
@agapeiron Well porn is sex. They are clearly engaging in sexual intercourse, it isn't simulated.
And actually alot of Porn stars have a list who they will and won't work with, what they will and won't do. But of course there is that small percentage who are forced to do it, due to another man or for drugs, easy money etc and so forth.
sneekz07 3 months ago