Nice to see a fresh perspective. Yes out of some basic sense of responsibility I feel a need to criticize self proclaimed experts showing the same worthless Kote Gaeshi technique, however they do it. It is fool hardy to think you should try to "outrun" a knife, which is what the usual parry and wristlock tries to do.
Thank you for challenging the norm, and especially for reminding the people to judge for themselves.
instead realize that Fred is merely sharing an ideology that offers a possible solution to a very dangerous problem. The perfect solution is be nowhere near the knife but sometimes we dont have that choice. Instead of finding fault, you should applaud fred's attempt to share his time and knowledge to give ppl a fighting chance and prob save a life. Id love to see your ideas on vid, it seems you have some to share.Good Job Fred and Steve as always!
Survey Fred has trained LE for years as well as public. Being 41 years training and 31 teaching in JJ as well as Arnis FMA and having trained LE, Military,Corrections, Doorstaff etc and having worked in those fields for most of my life, experiencing knife attacks first hand,I can say that in the position Fred is in even if a switch were to ensue, he has control of balance and position. The most important 2 things in a knife attack. Anyone can find fault in anything,
SurveyofFilmMusic Serious possibility. Hand switching could happen in many knife attacks. Defender wouldn't be looking into a video camera, stopping his movement to explain drill. He would try to off-balance viciously; most likely ending in smashing attacker into ground. There are other drills to practice escaping (if can't off-balance him) so one could re-boot own posture.
SurveyofFilmMusic - Thanks for taking the time to share your views. It certainly is very possible that the attacker could regain his balance enough to attack further. All drills are limited. Your scenario would be an excellent drill in itself. The 40 other comments further reflects views on this particular drill; as well as Jujutsu 101 A Little Philosophy #1 and #2. Again, thank you and take good care. Fred
This is good basic movement and provides perspective on simple technique. I think he kept the attack static to show the movement better. I remember a 9th dan instructor telling me that what actually happens on the street will rarely look like any formal technique - you just react and improvise based on your 1,000s of hours of training. I like this video - good basics.
Please forgive my being ignorant, but as I am still in the discovery mode, I need help with answering some basic questions :
- the technique you demonstrate put you almost behind the aggressor whil he still has not move and kept his arm straight. Is that realistic?
- in the last demonstration you make you end up up on the grould entangled with your aggressor with the knife in between the two of you. Is this really something you plan for?
I do not like to comment on knife video. I teach knife defense myself and don't need the heat of disgruntled fellow martial artists upset that I would complain about their infallable methods. I will say that I personally stood by and watched someone really good at knife defense get 23 stitches on a really simple defense. Knife=death. Well your stuff is as good and better than most and I have seen some good guys with the knife. Thanks for the insights. Master Ron Saturno/Cabales Serrada Escrima
rsaturnoserrada - I totally agree with your statement of "Knife = death". There is no perfect "move" for all situations and body types. Put a knife into UFC and a lot of the submissions, strikes and throws would be non-practical to attempt. If you can tap or touch someone, you can knife them. I hope all read your comments and pause to consider your words. Fred
Coming from a Filipino Martial Arts background, as well as that of an aspiring healthcare student, most knife defenses people show tend to freak me out in a very bad way. This however, is very solid material, and looks very similar to stuff being put out by the Dog Brothers right now ("Die Less Often"). It amazes me how good, practical and applicable, things pop up all over the place in the martial arts. Cool video, thanks for posting it.
GarlandMuay Appreciate your thoughts. Yes, there are folks out there who keep it basic. Consistent and thoughtful study and practice are vital. Whatever few basic moves you learn, work them to consistent results. And then there still is no guarantee in some intense situations. Keep working to improve, within reality. Also be a student of good coaching. I have a feeling you already know this view. Again, much thanks. Fred
Thank you for sharing dabash00r - Of course it is just one drill; though it has good use. There are other ways to deal with a knife thrust, plus the coach (progressively) should eventually come up with counters and more intense problems. Good coaching is a key to learning and helping another learn a practical skill. Again, thank you for posting and sharing. Fred
very cool stuff, but i gotta say if your not super quick this stuff is useless. i tried some moves similar to this on my sparring partner. he out weighs me by more than 150 pounds, and his several feet taller than i am. the first couple times i found the moves workable to an extent but the times when i wasnt quick enough or fumbled he basically just lifted me with his arm and tossed my around . Still i like the video nice work
Great post. Perhaps you guys increased the drill a little too much, too quickly. Juggle with tennis balls before you try cannon balls. There is ALWAYS a level of INTENSITY that NOBODY can deal with. You have a GREAT attitude and I suspect your friend does too. That is VERY important. Read over my Jujutsu 101 site and blog for further drilling tips. Send me a video of your practicing if you want to. See also Jujutsu 101 - Distance Drilling For Punching Attack. Take care. Fred
I would just like to say, despite the seemingly dinghy look of the place you are showing the drill (just a safety concern), after reading through your comments I would like to commend you on your dedication to reminding people to be safe and respect your partner. You have garnered some e-respect from this viewer for that. Though, could you note in your description that you should use a cup, clothing that is effective as a rash guard, and the "knife" is a rubber fake? Peace out and much love.
Cool! Have to make sure he does not quickly remove the knife with his left hand? You might not even notice he did that till he was cutting you with the other hand?
Tried posting comment. I'll try again. You have good points. First do the drill as stated: telegraphic lunging, arm almost straight out, etc. Give partner a chance to learn balance, leverage angle, timing, etc. at THAT level. Then increase (gradually) power of attack. Ensure both understand the limits of the particular drill. Then when you feel your partner has his timing pretty good, work out a more complicated level of drill. Train safe. Fred
No street response will look like controlled dojo training. We pull from techniques and adapt. Having options are a good thing - we decide what to use and how to finish. I like Fred's moves - superior position is senior to technique, it's safer & gives more options.
This is ridiculous on so many levels. First you need to recognize the attack path in a split second. Then shift your whole body before the guy retracts his arm. If this guy tries this in a real life situation....Fred is dead.
Snap53 - Thanks for your concerns on the reality and use of the drill I showed. I addressed hopefully some of those concerns in a rather lengthy e-mail to you. Take care and train safe. Fred
Snap53 - It was a telegraphing lunge to help start a person learning at some level before moving to more intense knife attacks. There are faster and more dangerous levels that I could never set-up the hold that way, nor tell any student to. Fred
Snap53 - In your video - Frontline Krav Maga Posturing Knife Attack - you face an attacker who is balanced with a knife in a ready posture. You swiftly fake a low kick and then jab the attacker and then because he is confused and stunned you run in to deal with the attacker. A person could have said about your video what you did say about mine. Would they be right? No. You shared a drill that has helped your students. All drills are limited. Fred
"A person could have said about your video what you did say about mine. Would they be right?"
No. It is apples and oranges. In this posturing position you need to get offensive immediately if there is no escape or item to pick up to swing. The strike is to short circuit the second or third attack. Once entering your attack need be vicious and relentless. Your vid is based on defensive response.
I agree with Fred. Fred's and Frontline Posturing Knife Attack have use and limits. In order to sell that distracting low kick and then enter with a lightning jab without the knifer cutting seems high risk. There isn't a perfect answer. If I had a knife, balanced,crouched and with my guard hand up I don't think that fake would distract me. It is true that you don't have many options except trained and lightning reflexes. Both videos are good.
Thank you Chrigetteb for your participation. You are correct that this scenario is not one that is good to be in. Put a knife in the hands of a 9 year old and have them swing it at you and it still is problematic and dangerous. Knife attack is the most dangerous of all weapon threats.
Snap53 - In my copy of Krav Maga, by the Founder and Chief Instructor, there are a number of various moves against knife attacks. For instance page 38 the defender side kicks the attacker's knee as the attacker is advancing in order to stab defender. It is a matter of a LOT of practice, timing and making your move as best you can. All drills are limited. Keep your videos coming Rick. Take care, Fred
I dont have the book with me. If it is off the straight stab, I don't like it or emphasis it for the reason you state. Against a slashing attack it is more feasible because the attacker needs to get closer to you, thus you lean back and attack low with side kick to the knee to stop their forward aggression. Then you respond accordingly to their body reaction. I have this on my paid site. Perhaps I will post it. Be well.
Fred is giving you a drill to work on breaking the balance in order to steal the limb. I can vouch for Fred's ability. I have studied with him for many years and I know his effectiveness first hand. I would also caution you on using the absolute term "never" in asserting views on self-defense. There's lots of value in his training methods. If you spend some time with an open mind working on Fred's drills with a partner you will become a more effective martial artist.
And it wouldn't work because? I'm pretty sure if Fred was reacting at full speed and strength with the intension of disabling the attacker, it would be over quickly. Fred is behind his attacker, controlling the limb while off-balancing him, just before he breaks the limb or begins striking an immobilized individual. Seems pretty effective to me!
True enough - lots of options once you get in the "blind spot". I like Fred's movements because we can pull from our various styles at whatever point we need to...I remember watching some nice finishing moves by Tohei-shihan and Shioda-shihan from their hombu-dojo days.
Your defense is right on - leverage rules. Too many people train with the idea they are faster & stronger than the attacker. Don't we train all those years to use the needed response while protecting ourselves? Isn't that the higher level of Sun Tzu's Art of War? Btw, after the neck is slashed as described below and recorded by security cameras...it may be the slasher who is arrested.
I agree. Sometimes, life brings us into a crossroad - one leads us to the cemetery, the other one to the hospital, and the third to the jail. Worst, is that there's no other way to do the tenkan-ho (pivot/detour)- it's all a matter of choice! And there is no 'right' and 'wrong' choice if life is at stake...thanks for the insight.
my unsolicited solution on the first defense is to sit on the leg (with all my body weight against the leg of the defender)to break his leg that is used to leverage my left leg and then get the knife from my left hand with my right hand and slash the neck of the defender. thanks for the lesson.
Thank you huglaes for your views. I think I understand your concern. Perhaps I need to do a youtube video on the angling of my leg behind Steve's. A 2-dimensional video is hard at times to see the 3-dimensional angle of a posture, as you know being an instructor yourself. Best to you and your own students. Fred
The guy with the big legs is quickly immobilized. Once Fred began striking him, a submission (Ex: broken nose, knock out, etc.) wouldn't be far behind!
You could clearly see the guys open to lots of attacks, like a huge right hand from that huge guy. That huge guy would power through what ever that guy tried to do and stab him.
i agree. most ppl dont understand that jujuts is about kazushi, breaking your opponents body structure/balance, this takes away his strength, misaligns his spine. thus the weaker is now stronger, because he has 100% of his power, and the other guy might have 25% of his.
that shoulder control is similar to a whizzer in wrestling. you'd be surprised how little your opponent can move if you control his shoulder. not to mention..hes not gonna stay there long. and the guy is probably gonna try to keep YOU from getting his knife. not worry about punching you.
Nice to see a fresh perspective. Yes out of some basic sense of responsibility I feel a need to criticize self proclaimed experts showing the same worthless Kote Gaeshi technique, however they do it. It is fool hardy to think you should try to "outrun" a knife, which is what the usual parry and wristlock tries to do.
Thank you for challenging the norm, and especially for reminding the people to judge for themselves.
ShotokanTanto 9 months ago
he could grab the knife with his right hand and stab you??????? or cut the top of your head
buckckck 1 year ago
instead realize that Fred is merely sharing an ideology that offers a possible solution to a very dangerous problem. The perfect solution is be nowhere near the knife but sometimes we dont have that choice. Instead of finding fault, you should applaud fred's attempt to share his time and knowledge to give ppl a fighting chance and prob save a life. Id love to see your ideas on vid, it seems you have some to share.Good Job Fred and Steve as always!
TimA340 1 year ago
Survey Fred has trained LE for years as well as public. Being 41 years training and 31 teaching in JJ as well as Arnis FMA and having trained LE, Military,Corrections, Doorstaff etc and having worked in those fields for most of my life, experiencing knife attacks first hand,I can say that in the position Fred is in even if a switch were to ensue, he has control of balance and position. The most important 2 things in a knife attack. Anyone can find fault in anything,
TimA340 1 year ago
your man can easily pass the knife to his other hand and finish you. period
SurveyofFilmMusic 1 year ago
SurveyofFilmMusic Serious possibility. Hand switching could happen in many knife attacks. Defender wouldn't be looking into a video camera, stopping his movement to explain drill. He would try to off-balance viciously; most likely ending in smashing attacker into ground. There are other drills to practice escaping (if can't off-balance him) so one could re-boot own posture.
leveragepinning 1 year ago 2
@SurveyofFilmMusic Even if the attacker had time or was able to pass the knife o his other hand Fred is in a position where he can't be reached.
BodyPerformanceTV 1 year ago
SurveyofFilmMusic - Thanks for taking the time to share your views. It certainly is very possible that the attacker could regain his balance enough to attack further. All drills are limited. Your scenario would be an excellent drill in itself. The 40 other comments further reflects views on this particular drill; as well as Jujutsu 101 A Little Philosophy #1 and #2. Again, thank you and take good care. Fred
leveragepinning 1 year ago
Interesting way to cover the high and low line.
Aldannon 1 year ago
This is good basic movement and provides perspective on simple technique. I think he kept the attack static to show the movement better. I remember a 9th dan instructor telling me that what actually happens on the street will rarely look like any formal technique - you just react and improvise based on your 1,000s of hours of training. I like this video - good basics.
tenkan180 2 years ago
Please forgive my being ignorant, but as I am still in the discovery mode, I need help with answering some basic questions :
- the technique you demonstrate put you almost behind the aggressor whil he still has not move and kept his arm straight. Is that realistic?
- in the last demonstration you make you end up up on the grould entangled with your aggressor with the knife in between the two of you. Is this really something you plan for?
Thanks
Mngnt 2 years ago
i just think that distance might be a key factor to begin with and this hugs u up with guy with a knife.
NIbirUSA 2 years ago
I do not like to comment on knife video. I teach knife defense myself and don't need the heat of disgruntled fellow martial artists upset that I would complain about their infallable methods. I will say that I personally stood by and watched someone really good at knife defense get 23 stitches on a really simple defense. Knife=death. Well your stuff is as good and better than most and I have seen some good guys with the knife. Thanks for the insights. Master Ron Saturno/Cabales Serrada Escrima
rsaturnoserrada 2 years ago
rsaturnoserrada - I totally agree with your statement of "Knife = death". There is no perfect "move" for all situations and body types. Put a knife into UFC and a lot of the submissions, strikes and throws would be non-practical to attempt. If you can tap or touch someone, you can knife them. I hope all read your comments and pause to consider your words. Fred
leveragepinning 2 years ago
Coming from a Filipino Martial Arts background, as well as that of an aspiring healthcare student, most knife defenses people show tend to freak me out in a very bad way. This however, is very solid material, and looks very similar to stuff being put out by the Dog Brothers right now ("Die Less Often"). It amazes me how good, practical and applicable, things pop up all over the place in the martial arts. Cool video, thanks for posting it.
GarlandMuay 2 years ago
GarlandMuay Appreciate your thoughts. Yes, there are folks out there who keep it basic. Consistent and thoughtful study and practice are vital. Whatever few basic moves you learn, work them to consistent results. And then there still is no guarantee in some intense situations. Keep working to improve, within reality. Also be a student of good coaching. I have a feeling you already know this view. Again, much thanks. Fred
leveragepinning 2 years ago
A very nice idea of taking and pinning a knife attack. i have to memorize that, especially the lever, where i pin his own arm at his hips.
dabash00r 2 years ago
Thank you for sharing dabash00r - Of course it is just one drill; though it has good use. There are other ways to deal with a knife thrust, plus the coach (progressively) should eventually come up with counters and more intense problems. Good coaching is a key to learning and helping another learn a practical skill. Again, thank you for posting and sharing. Fred
leveragepinning 2 years ago
very cool stuff, but i gotta say if your not super quick this stuff is useless. i tried some moves similar to this on my sparring partner. he out weighs me by more than 150 pounds, and his several feet taller than i am. the first couple times i found the moves workable to an extent but the times when i wasnt quick enough or fumbled he basically just lifted me with his arm and tossed my around . Still i like the video nice work
ltpliskenjg 2 years ago
Great post. Perhaps you guys increased the drill a little too much, too quickly. Juggle with tennis balls before you try cannon balls. There is ALWAYS a level of INTENSITY that NOBODY can deal with. You have a GREAT attitude and I suspect your friend does too. That is VERY important. Read over my Jujutsu 101 site and blog for further drilling tips. Send me a video of your practicing if you want to. See also Jujutsu 101 - Distance Drilling For Punching Attack. Take care. Fred
leveragepinning 2 years ago
I would just like to say, despite the seemingly dinghy look of the place you are showing the drill (just a safety concern), after reading through your comments I would like to commend you on your dedication to reminding people to be safe and respect your partner. You have garnered some e-respect from this viewer for that. Though, could you note in your description that you should use a cup, clothing that is effective as a rash guard, and the "knife" is a rubber fake? Peace out and much love.
CanadianWolverine 3 years ago
Big Dojo
awoodtiger 4 years ago
Cool! Have to make sure he does not quickly remove the knife with his left hand? You might not even notice he did that till he was cutting you with the other hand?
JKDWWA 4 years ago
Tried posting comment. I'll try again. You have good points. First do the drill as stated: telegraphic lunging, arm almost straight out, etc. Give partner a chance to learn balance, leverage angle, timing, etc. at THAT level. Then increase (gradually) power of attack. Ensure both understand the limits of the particular drill. Then when you feel your partner has his timing pretty good, work out a more complicated level of drill. Train safe. Fred
leveragepinning 4 years ago
No street response will look like controlled dojo training. We pull from techniques and adapt. Having options are a good thing - we decide what to use and how to finish. I like Fred's moves - superior position is senior to technique, it's safer & gives more options.
tenkan180 4 years ago 2
chron m8 hes took his posture theres no right hand going to go anywhere near him
this guy is very good but you have to train it to be second nature but effective and well explaned
hats off
JACKO6666 4 years ago
This is ridiculous on so many levels. First you need to recognize the attack path in a split second. Then shift your whole body before the guy retracts his arm. If this guy tries this in a real life situation....Fred is dead.
Snap53 4 years ago
Snap53 - Thanks for your concerns on the reality and use of the drill I showed. I addressed hopefully some of those concerns in a rather lengthy e-mail to you. Take care and train safe. Fred
leveragepinning 4 years ago
Snap53 - It was a telegraphing lunge to help start a person learning at some level before moving to more intense knife attacks. There are faster and more dangerous levels that I could never set-up the hold that way, nor tell any student to. Fred
leveragepinning 4 years ago
Snap53 - In your video - Frontline Krav Maga Posturing Knife Attack - you face an attacker who is balanced with a knife in a ready posture. You swiftly fake a low kick and then jab the attacker and then because he is confused and stunned you run in to deal with the attacker. A person could have said about your video what you did say about mine. Would they be right? No. You shared a drill that has helped your students. All drills are limited. Fred
leveragepinning 4 years ago
"A person could have said about your video what you did say about mine. Would they be right?"
No. It is apples and oranges. In this posturing position you need to get offensive immediately if there is no escape or item to pick up to swing. The strike is to short circuit the second or third attack. Once entering your attack need be vicious and relentless. Your vid is based on defensive response.
Snap53 4 years ago
I understand your drill. Like I wrote it is a good drill. Our opinions may differ; let's leave it at that. Good luck in your teachings. Fred
leveragepinning 4 years ago
I agree with Fred. Fred's and Frontline Posturing Knife Attack have use and limits. In order to sell that distracting low kick and then enter with a lightning jab without the knifer cutting seems high risk. There isn't a perfect answer. If I had a knife, balanced,crouched and with my guard hand up I don't think that fake would distract me. It is true that you don't have many options except trained and lightning reflexes. Both videos are good.
cbridgetteb 4 years ago
Thank you Chrigetteb for your participation. You are correct that this scenario is not one that is good to be in. Put a knife in the hands of a 9 year old and have them swing it at you and it still is problematic and dangerous. Knife attack is the most dangerous of all weapon threats.
Snap53 4 years ago
Snap53 - In my copy of Krav Maga, by the Founder and Chief Instructor, there are a number of various moves against knife attacks. For instance page 38 the defender side kicks the attacker's knee as the attacker is advancing in order to stab defender. It is a matter of a LOT of practice, timing and making your move as best you can. All drills are limited. Keep your videos coming Rick. Take care, Fred
leveragepinning 4 years ago
I dont have the book with me. If it is off the straight stab, I don't like it or emphasis it for the reason you state. Against a slashing attack it is more feasible because the attacker needs to get closer to you, thus you lean back and attack low with side kick to the knee to stop their forward aggression. Then you respond accordingly to their body reaction. I have this on my paid site. Perhaps I will post it. Be well.
Snap53 4 years ago
That move would never work, and that guy would so get stabbed.
chron416 4 years ago
Fred is giving you a drill to work on breaking the balance in order to steal the limb. I can vouch for Fred's ability. I have studied with him for many years and I know his effectiveness first hand. I would also caution you on using the absolute term "never" in asserting views on self-defense. There's lots of value in his training methods. If you spend some time with an open mind working on Fred's drills with a partner you will become a more effective martial artist.
jujutsu29 4 years ago
And it wouldn't work because? I'm pretty sure if Fred was reacting at full speed and strength with the intension of disabling the attacker, it would be over quickly. Fred is behind his attacker, controlling the limb while off-balancing him, just before he breaks the limb or begins striking an immobilized individual. Seems pretty effective to me!
BodyPerformanceTV 4 years ago 2
True enough - lots of options once you get in the "blind spot". I like Fred's movements because we can pull from our various styles at whatever point we need to...I remember watching some nice finishing moves by Tohei-shihan and Shioda-shihan from their hombu-dojo days.
tenkan180 4 years ago
Your defense is right on - leverage rules. Too many people train with the idea they are faster & stronger than the attacker. Don't we train all those years to use the needed response while protecting ourselves? Isn't that the higher level of Sun Tzu's Art of War? Btw, after the neck is slashed as described below and recorded by security cameras...it may be the slasher who is arrested.
tenkan180 4 years ago
I agree. Sometimes, life brings us into a crossroad - one leads us to the cemetery, the other one to the hospital, and the third to the jail. Worst, is that there's no other way to do the tenkan-ho (pivot/detour)- it's all a matter of choice! And there is no 'right' and 'wrong' choice if life is at stake...thanks for the insight.
huglaes 4 years ago
my unsolicited solution on the first defense is to sit on the leg (with all my body weight against the leg of the defender)to break his leg that is used to leverage my left leg and then get the knife from my left hand with my right hand and slash the neck of the defender. thanks for the lesson.
huglaes 4 years ago
Thank you huglaes for your views. I think I understand your concern. Perhaps I need to do a youtube video on the angling of my leg behind Steve's. A 2-dimensional video is hard at times to see the 3-dimensional angle of a posture, as you know being an instructor yourself. Best to you and your own students. Fred
leveragepinning 4 years ago
why does that guy always wear short shorts.. thats wrong. anywaysu should actually have them in an arm bar, then u can get them into submission
underkleenex 4 years ago
The guy with the big legs is quickly immobilized. Once Fred began striking him, a submission (Ex: broken nose, knock out, etc.) wouldn't be far behind!
BodyPerformanceTV 4 years ago
You could clearly see the guys open to lots of attacks, like a huge right hand from that huge guy. That huge guy would power through what ever that guy tried to do and stab him.
chron416 4 years ago
I pretty should the huge guy is off-balance preventing him from generating power for an effective punch.
BodyPerformanceTV 4 years ago
i agree. most ppl dont understand that jujuts is about kazushi, breaking your opponents body structure/balance, this takes away his strength, misaligns his spine. thus the weaker is now stronger, because he has 100% of his power, and the other guy might have 25% of his.
kempobrad 4 years ago
that shoulder control is similar to a whizzer in wrestling. you'd be surprised how little your opponent can move if you control his shoulder. not to mention..hes not gonna stay there long. and the guy is probably gonna try to keep YOU from getting his knife. not worry about punching you.
kempobrad 4 years ago
are u talkin about yourself in the thrid person?
Nikon05 4 years ago
Nice drills. All of them 8).
VoltVulture 4 years ago