I have to sa as a partial unschooling mom, my 13yr old has just started Algebra 1, does online science with "The Happy Scientist", Professor Krampf, Cursive writing. As for Language and writing we work that into, Bible daily reflections, writing about anything he finds interesting, writing out the grocery list, etc (he hates Language and Writng and Grammer) so we just found another way to get those subjects in (by freestyle, LOL)! Unschooled children with "direction" and Goals do very well :-)
Another huge benefit to unschooling OR homeschooling is that children aren't bogged down with HOURS of homework after school! You can cover everything you need to cover, in a fun way, during the day, and then continue that learning through dinner to bedtime without it being WORK! :)
We already know how unschoolers will do in 20 years, unschooling is 40 years old. Those who unschooled when the idea first came out in the 70s are doing just fine...Albert Einstein was pretty okay, too
One COULD gain a more in depth & diverse education with this method, but should the child choose university there are no alternatives to learning the conventional way/taking standardized tests. I can't help but imagine these kids will be at a disadvantage, & will need to play catch up with methods & may have no access to many scholarships. Education needs to change but I think these kids need to understand how our society's institutions work if they wish to enter the working world. Just my 2¢.
@pentatonia & most unschoolers do understand it. I know 16 year olds in college, that are doing amazing. I know an 18 year old unschooler who runs her own business,Not many 18 year olds can say that, they can say they're going to college, most likely to learn to do something they probably don't want to learn, because they just spend the last 12 years of their lives learning pointless stuff, but are doing so, to please their parents. & By the way, this is coming from a 14 year old unschooler.c:
What is going to happen when these children go to college or try to get a real job where they will be required to know somethings? It is great to have children take an interest in learning and learn about subjects they want to learn about. However, the world is not all about me. I have to do things I don't want to do. At 28 years old I can't expect to take care of myself if all I do is work on things I want to and unschooling is teaching these children that everything is about what they want.
@Lucailey No, it's teaching them that there's other choices then school. I'm assuming that if anyone of those kids said "Can I go to school?" their parents would say yes. And if we want to go to college, we will, or get a "real" job, we'll learn the things we need to, to do so. ._.
@tairanotomomori Being an unschooler myself, I'll be a social worker most likely. Possibly traveling the world, and running my own business. It really depends on what exactly I want to do at any given time.
Unschooling is not new, in our culture alone it dates back at least to the 60's. As a college instructor I had home-schooled students 30 years ago. They were, by the way, always in the top 5% of the class. By contrast, it is the public school system that is an experiment to train docile workers for industry. Do your research before throwing out a misleading assumption.
@thetravelfool if you actually cared about the awnsers to your questions you could look it up, which is exactly what unschoolers do when they want to know something.. To many people just expect the awnsers to be fed to them after years of school doing just that. Unschoolers are given the freedom to come upwith their own questions and explore the possibilities.
Public school is a perpetuate human rights violation that lasts for 13 years until most children are so physically, emotionally, creatively, cognitively and spiritually damaged that they no longer nee the school to enforce their own imprisonment.
I try to give my students as many choices as possible and also bring in real world skills to the class, such as cooking French food. I am for child centered learning, but not a lack of control or discipline.
No control of the kids comment bothered me, the "math" in video games...lady playing video games is lazing about. give them manipulatives or have them go outside and collect twigs and add them.
no time table, no structure, the kids lead...sounds like no discipline and no parenting to me. I like child lead learning, but that can be done in a classroom but kids should never be boss in a home.
My senior yr of HS I went to live in Finland, I learned more in that year and in the year I spent in Brazil later when I was 21 than in my years of schooling from K through graduate school.
This little video, has transformed my home. It is the first thing I ever heard about unschooling. We love unschooling, my kids are happy, I'm happy, for the first time ever in our school journey. This video sparked the unschooling fire in our house, thanks for posting.
The guy with glasses in this video does not understand Unschooling. I am not sure why he is in this documentary. He is espousing opinions without having any real clue as to what he is talking about.
@Treemeadow This documentary does not provide both sides of the argument. All of these people represent unschooling and one of them does not have the best knowledge of what he is talking about.
a google education could probably beat the hell out of the norm
Schools have pretty much turned into thought prisons. Imagine what you could learn in 13 years if you were out in the world exploring and discovering vs reciting information from textbooks.
I know a home schooled kid who is kind of a nutcase but he does have a hell of an imagination.
"Imagination is more important than knowledge"
-Albert Einstein
watch "waiting for superman" at documentarywire dotcom
@wheelmanstan Albert Einstein was a genius, regular person will never know what that imagination feels like...why? well no need to ask, just look outside. Most kids can't learn without structure, just looking at the rocks in the backyard wont teach kid how to do algebra. My 9 y.o. sister can do algebra and loves school...what does unschooled 9 y.o. can do?I should actually do a research...Ill get back to after that lol
@LexieDeaves But the real question is, in our society, roughly, not many of us are going to need algebra, most jobs don't need it. Unschooling 9 year olds? A lot of them do amazing things. I know unschooling 14 year olds who have written books, and traveled to different countries, and met people, and had experiences that your "average" adult hasn't even thought of having.
@StupidTalkingTree well I didnt leave comment about that, someone else did but that someone else might have been 8 but she knows what she is talking about. I have never heard of them or read their books so they must have not been that amazing after all. So far unschooled that Ive met knew nothing, not in math not in science...wont say anything about history.Algebra is not for a profession, you should do research on that.I am in art school and I use algebra everyday.
@StupidTalkingTree btw I know a lady she was pretty much unschooled as a kid...well she is 27 and she is getting her GED right now...Science opens people eyes, math helps people think outside the box. Of course not all people have the same believe in what unschooling is, some actually do more than just watch tv and go to museums. Gifted kids dont always need school(some public schools suck) because they like learning and don't waste time.
with internet, the choices seem endless, even with a little to nothing budget to spend on supplies. & theres so many free resources out & about, free entrance to some places on certain days.. the internet, has in many ways, made amny things level playing ground.stay outta the box.
I wish I had been this enlightened when I homeschooled my kids! I had to earn a PhD in education to be convinced that unschooling is the best way for children to reach their full potential AND love learning for a lifetime.
Unschooling with a parent who has had an expensive university education, and is able to stay home, is an huge luxury that only the richest can afford but it would lead to a great education.
When a poorly educated parent attempts to do the same, the child will be limited by the education of the parent - unschooling was the norm pre-1900 for the poor (the rich had 1on1 tutors or school), and the children of labourers would become labourers.
@neverfearchrisishere public library, free dial up internet ,caring parents that while not university educated are by no means stupid or uneducated(they just didn't spend 4 years plusall that money to get there), friends and relatives that can, and do, help out with paying for supplies and classes when desired. Pre- 1900's poor families did not have access to all the amazing stuff we modern "poor" folks do. :)
@neverfearchrisishere I think, more accurately, that while children of "poorly educated parents" CAN potentially be limited to their parents' education they don't HAVE to be. David Albert (look him up) has stressed in many of his writings how Mentor-ship and involvement in Community need to be a HUGE part of educating (unschooling) a child (preteen and teen years especially). Regardless of how well or poorly educated the parents are, these two factors are KEY to a diverse experience.
@ssherrod57 it's only best for kids who are motivated, many children will avoid something when they know they struggle with it such as reading if a child has dyslexia.
I agree with the concept of unschooling and think that public schools (and just about 100% of private schools, for that matter) are downright awful, but I have to wonder how feasible it is for most. Often, both parents want to or have to work. Also, most people I know would make really shitty 'learning facilitators', so to speak. It seems more efficient to me to destructuralize curricula in schools and turn them into a place where kids go to tell competent people what they'd like to do/learn.
public schools are already daycares- super expensive overpriced daycares where they indoctrinate u
The only hope is if u actually totally break away from this malicious system which is controlled by the state & for the state. I suggest u actually study what is learning & the various SPONTANEOUS ways that learning comes about.
also there are many private schools & places such as sylvan learning are generally much better than 99% of the public schools-
I have to sa as a partial unschooling mom, my 13yr old has just started Algebra 1, does online science with "The Happy Scientist", Professor Krampf, Cursive writing. As for Language and writing we work that into, Bible daily reflections, writing about anything he finds interesting, writing out the grocery list, etc (he hates Language and Writng and Grammer) so we just found another way to get those subjects in (by freestyle, LOL)! Unschooled children with "direction" and Goals do very well :-)
skaismith 2 days ago
I agree, if you want to give your child the World....Homeschool,unschool or unlearn.
rawrosegirl 2 days ago
I could actually see this as an effective way to learn especially how easy it is to access information nowadays with the Internet.
ThePhantom135 1 week ago
"Nothing" by "The Rebel Set" was a really good choice.
heikophilo 2 weeks ago
Another huge benefit to unschooling OR homeschooling is that children aren't bogged down with HOURS of homework after school! You can cover everything you need to cover, in a fun way, during the day, and then continue that learning through dinner to bedtime without it being WORK! :)
jessomglol 1 month ago
"My kids go to the store and use money" LOL Yes that is what I am talking about
urtalking2me 1 month ago
We already know how unschoolers will do in 20 years, unschooling is 40 years old. Those who unschooled when the idea first came out in the 70s are doing just fine...Albert Einstein was pretty okay, too
gtrtrtrtr 1 month ago
One COULD gain a more in depth & diverse education with this method, but should the child choose university there are no alternatives to learning the conventional way/taking standardized tests. I can't help but imagine these kids will be at a disadvantage, & will need to play catch up with methods & may have no access to many scholarships. Education needs to change but I think these kids need to understand how our society's institutions work if they wish to enter the working world. Just my 2¢.
pentatonia 2 months ago
@pentatonia & most unschoolers do understand it. I know 16 year olds in college, that are doing amazing. I know an 18 year old unschooler who runs her own business,Not many 18 year olds can say that, they can say they're going to college, most likely to learn to do something they probably don't want to learn, because they just spend the last 12 years of their lives learning pointless stuff, but are doing so, to please their parents. & By the way, this is coming from a 14 year old unschooler.c:
StupidTalkingTree 3 weeks ago
you let them lead bynursing themselves and eating what they want? video was looking ok up to that point, now i'll watch the rest.
TheOlzee 2 months ago
What is going to happen when these children go to college or try to get a real job where they will be required to know somethings? It is great to have children take an interest in learning and learn about subjects they want to learn about. However, the world is not all about me. I have to do things I don't want to do. At 28 years old I can't expect to take care of myself if all I do is work on things I want to and unschooling is teaching these children that everything is about what they want.
Lucailey 2 months ago
@Lucailey No, it's teaching them that there's other choices then school. I'm assuming that if anyone of those kids said "Can I go to school?" their parents would say yes. And if we want to go to college, we will, or get a "real" job, we'll learn the things we need to, to do so. ._.
StupidTalkingTree 3 weeks ago
Let's just see how those unschooled kids will fare in society in 20 years or so. Too early to tell if this is a good idea or not.
tairanotomomori 2 months ago
@tairanotomomori Being an unschooler myself, I'll be a social worker most likely. Possibly traveling the world, and running my own business. It really depends on what exactly I want to do at any given time.
StupidTalkingTree 3 weeks ago
@tairanotomomori
Unschooling is not new, in our culture alone it dates back at least to the 60's. As a college instructor I had home-schooled students 30 years ago. They were, by the way, always in the top 5% of the class. By contrast, it is the public school system that is an experiment to train docile workers for industry. Do your research before throwing out a misleading assumption.
billdakelski 1 day ago
I have faith that people will eventually 'get it'. Common sense ideas always take the longest to catch on.
kozychik 3 months ago
@thetravelfool if you actually cared about the awnsers to your questions you could look it up, which is exactly what unschoolers do when they want to know something.. To many people just expect the awnsers to be fed to them after years of school doing just that. Unschoolers are given the freedom to come upwith their own questions and explore the possibilities.
tamarasn84 4 months ago 5
@tamarasn84 FTW!
kozychik 3 months ago
Public school is a perpetuate human rights violation that lasts for 13 years until most children are so physically, emotionally, creatively, cognitively and spiritually damaged that they no longer nee the school to enforce their own imprisonment.
LaurieACouture 4 months ago 4
I am a teacher but a very unconventional one. The schools have become nothing but babysitting services sadly.
TheTravelfool 4 months ago
I try to give my students as many choices as possible and also bring in real world skills to the class, such as cooking French food. I am for child centered learning, but not a lack of control or discipline.
TheTravelfool 4 months ago
No control of the kids comment bothered me, the "math" in video games...lady playing video games is lazing about. give them manipulatives or have them go outside and collect twigs and add them.
TheTravelfool 4 months ago
no time table, no structure, the kids lead...sounds like no discipline and no parenting to me. I like child lead learning, but that can be done in a classroom but kids should never be boss in a home.
TheTravelfool 4 months ago
How does an unschooled child learn algebra? trigonometry? chemistry? physics?
TheTravelfool 4 months ago
@TheTravelfool By getting books from the bookstore or library.
scaboi 1 week ago
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@TheTravelfool By getting books from the bookstore or library.
scaboi 1 week ago
My senior yr of HS I went to live in Finland, I learned more in that year and in the year I spent in Brazil later when I was 21 than in my years of schooling from K through graduate school.
TheTravelfool 4 months ago
Excellent video. This is the only way...at least for us :)
FreedomRingsToday 5 months ago 2
This little video, has transformed my home. It is the first thing I ever heard about unschooling. We love unschooling, my kids are happy, I'm happy, for the first time ever in our school journey. This video sparked the unschooling fire in our house, thanks for posting.
puddleybug 6 months ago 2
The guy with glasses in this video does not understand Unschooling. I am not sure why he is in this documentary. He is espousing opinions without having any real clue as to what he is talking about.
Great video though. Thanks for posting!
lukebessey 6 months ago
All good documentary's provide both sides of the argument.
Treemeadow 6 months ago
@Treemeadow This documentary does not provide both sides of the argument. All of these people represent unschooling and one of them does not have the best knowledge of what he is talking about.
lukebessey 6 months ago
@Treemeadow Perhaps it's because the "other side" of the argument makes itself present everyday in the media, in politics, and economic reality.
hartforest 6 months ago
It never ceases to amaze me that people are prepared to turn their children over to strangers to be schooled.
asubjectiveopinion 6 months ago 2
@asubjectiveopinion some don't have a choice many parents have to work.
TheTravelfool 4 months ago
@TheTravelfool
There's always a choice.
asubjectiveopinion 4 months ago
@asubjectiveopinion what if you're poor or a single mum? :)
TheTravelfool 4 months ago
a google education could probably beat the hell out of the norm
Schools have pretty much turned into thought prisons. Imagine what you could learn in 13 years if you were out in the world exploring and discovering vs reciting information from textbooks.
I know a home schooled kid who is kind of a nutcase but he does have a hell of an imagination.
"Imagination is more important than knowledge"
-Albert Einstein
watch "waiting for superman" at documentarywire dotcom
wheelmanstan 7 months ago 19
@wheelmanstan Albert Einstein was a genius, regular person will never know what that imagination feels like...why? well no need to ask, just look outside. Most kids can't learn without structure, just looking at the rocks in the backyard wont teach kid how to do algebra. My 9 y.o. sister can do algebra and loves school...what does unschooled 9 y.o. can do?I should actually do a research...Ill get back to after that lol
LexieDeaves 1 month ago
@LexieDeaves But the real question is, in our society, roughly, not many of us are going to need algebra, most jobs don't need it. Unschooling 9 year olds? A lot of them do amazing things. I know unschooling 14 year olds who have written books, and traveled to different countries, and met people, and had experiences that your "average" adult hasn't even thought of having.
StupidTalkingTree 3 weeks ago
@StupidTalkingTree well I didnt leave comment about that, someone else did but that someone else might have been 8 but she knows what she is talking about. I have never heard of them or read their books so they must have not been that amazing after all. So far unschooled that Ive met knew nothing, not in math not in science...wont say anything about history.Algebra is not for a profession, you should do research on that.I am in art school and I use algebra everyday.
LexieDeaves 3 weeks ago
@StupidTalkingTree btw I know a lady she was pretty much unschooled as a kid...well she is 27 and she is getting her GED right now...Science opens people eyes, math helps people think outside the box. Of course not all people have the same believe in what unschooling is, some actually do more than just watch tv and go to museums. Gifted kids dont always need school(some public schools suck) because they like learning and don't waste time.
LexieDeaves 3 weeks ago
with internet, the choices seem endless, even with a little to nothing budget to spend on supplies. & theres so many free resources out & about, free entrance to some places on certain days.. the internet, has in many ways, made amny things level playing ground.stay outta the box.
onegreeneye 7 months ago 2
how can i donate for moe videos
AnarchyEnsues 8 months ago
I wish I had been this enlightened when I homeschooled my kids! I had to earn a PhD in education to be convinced that unschooling is the best way for children to reach their full potential AND love learning for a lifetime.
ssherrod57 8 months ago 2
@ssherrod57
Unschooling with a parent who has had an expensive university education, and is able to stay home, is an huge luxury that only the richest can afford but it would lead to a great education.
When a poorly educated parent attempts to do the same, the child will be limited by the education of the parent - unschooling was the norm pre-1900 for the poor (the rich had 1on1 tutors or school), and the children of labourers would become labourers.
neverfearchrisishere 7 months ago
@neverfearchrisishere public library, free dial up internet ,caring parents that while not university educated are by no means stupid or uneducated(they just didn't spend 4 years plusall that money to get there), friends and relatives that can, and do, help out with paying for supplies and classes when desired. Pre- 1900's poor families did not have access to all the amazing stuff we modern "poor" folks do. :)
gleasonfam97 7 months ago
@neverfearchrisishere I think, more accurately, that while children of "poorly educated parents" CAN potentially be limited to their parents' education they don't HAVE to be. David Albert (look him up) has stressed in many of his writings how Mentor-ship and involvement in Community need to be a HUGE part of educating (unschooling) a child (preteen and teen years especially). Regardless of how well or poorly educated the parents are, these two factors are KEY to a diverse experience.
bigandlittle 6 months ago
@ssherrod57 it's only best for kids who are motivated, many children will avoid something when they know they struggle with it such as reading if a child has dyslexia.
TheTravelfool 4 months ago
I agree with the concept of unschooling and think that public schools (and just about 100% of private schools, for that matter) are downright awful, but I have to wonder how feasible it is for most. Often, both parents want to or have to work. Also, most people I know would make really shitty 'learning facilitators', so to speak. It seems more efficient to me to destructuralize curricula in schools and turn them into a place where kids go to tell competent people what they'd like to do/learn.
AnarchoHumanist 8 months ago
@AnarchoHumanist
public schools are already daycares- super expensive overpriced daycares where they indoctrinate u
The only hope is if u actually totally break away from this malicious system which is controlled by the state & for the state. I suggest u actually study what is learning & the various SPONTANEOUS ways that learning comes about.
also there are many private schools & places such as sylvan learning are generally much better than 99% of the public schools-
swu880 8 months ago 12
@swu880
however when u blur the line of who is footing the bill, if the parents/students aint payin the bill then education becomes more of a side show
swu880 8 months ago
@swu880
/watch?v=dk60sYrU2RU
its actually possible to learn by yourself & SPONTANEOUSLY. theres no reason why someone can't learn for himself or be dictated to.
swu880 8 months ago
I am tempted to home school my kid.
darkwhitedirewolf 8 months ago 4
@darkwhitedirewolf do it!
TheTravelfool 4 months ago
Take that, motherfucker bureaucrats!
AngeloNoel 8 months ago
Cool documentary. Thanks.
dingerness 8 months ago
unschooling is a good idea and it is the reason why we need to vote for RON PAUL 2012 president.
ron paul wants to give parents control of education to parents and not the evil teachers union.
hyylo 8 months ago 3
montessori style.
AnarchoCapitalistTV 8 months ago
tweeted. awesome documentary.
josda1000 8 months ago