@sorbothane yeeeh... also interesting to watch how they frequently stop and check if the others fall behind... I guess that indicates how much REAL BALLS you needed in those days, charging as the first of your group and therefore be the most prominent target, with the most archers aming straight for you.
According to the Weapons that made Britain, munitions grade plate armour can be penetrated by a longbow, but we're talking about at 20m range. The finest Milanese stuff could take an arrow at 10m and protect the wearer.
Longbows defeating armoured knights happened under rather specific circumstances and casualties would have probably been mostly horses going down and dragging their riders down with them. And the ensuing trampling.
In an open field, an armoured charge would run archers over.
Yes, an armoured charge would run them over - if it consists only of knights wearing the finest armour, which was almost never the case. Most soldiers were wearing munitions grade plate or there were guys with only minimal amount of armour who didn't belong to the rich nobility and did not have the money to afford the finest armour. And these guys were having a very hard time facing a barrage of heavy warbow arrows, believe me.
one fully trained archer with a #140 pound high altitude north faceing italian yew bow could kill the best armoured knight out to 200 odd yards! he could then let loose over 30 more arrows before the knight or man at arms was at 50 yards. At 50 yards he could start aiming at the eyes or groin, Only problem was that it took 15 to 20 years to train a real archer. FACT!!!!!
@robbieatvic he "could" but it isn't likely to happen, although there is the chance to, certainly.
Apart from that... from 200 to 50 yards distance of a knight equals approximate 30 arrows? Either the Archer is a skilled asian on speed, or the Knight has the lamest horse in history.
But it could also be, that you aimed too low altitude south........... imho
@robbieatvic given that a cavalry advance could cover that ground at the canter in about half a minute I doubt your statements. If the formation is undisciplined and breaking into a gallop early then your archer has about 15 seconds from glancing shots or dismounting the knight at long range until a lance is in his face.
Legolas is fantasy, and any other belief simply isn't matched by documented historical fact or indeed even in stylised tests.
@CorBlimey2 Yes thats true, about 15 secs would cover it. Only English archers dont wait out in the open field on flat land, normally they are up a hill or on broken ground and nearly always with large sharpened spikes dug into the earth, If you look at the battle of crecy, agincourt and even poiters you see that the so called unbeatable French Knights persist with the notion that we will "ride them down". Cavalry must of made a great target as the stumbled, fell,jumped and moved off course.
Heres the thing, maybe if that wasn't cheap tin reanactment armor the bows wouldn't penetrate it.I could guarantee you that a bow isn't penetrating steel plate armour+chainmail+Thick leather,that is if i can get past the shield.Also a arrow tip would be blunted from going through any armor.
This was the last event after a few days of fighting had passed, not alot of gas left in the tank. Armour weighs in at between 60-80 lbs depending (16ga and 18ga most commonly used). Plate doesn't cover everything, one arrow passed through my butted chainmail into the shoulder. Armoured march! Yes I suppose it was - however we were curious to know how/where the arrows would penetrate. Keep in mind everyone here are regular people, not professional knights obviously, just a pleasure to do it.
A full suit of plate armor doesn't weight 200 pounds... more like less than 75. And the weight is well distributed, so it don't feel like much of a burden. In fact, a person can flip around and swim in the armor without injury... and still have the protection to endure 100 arrows.
Of course, with so much protection, why waste stamina casing down archers, when you can have fun scaring them to death?
actually the modern soldier carries about twice that and considering most of our troops are in the middle east, the heat is even worse. Knights trained from birth while our troops are only enlisted for a few years. Armor was nothing to them.
Hey , take it easy ... At a 20 foot distance not even the best armour can take an arrow and keep the man wearing it intact...or even capable of fighting ...
i will say that the English Bodkin arrow has 'armour-piercing' capabilities when fitted with the right longbow and given to the english longbowmen at Agincourt for example
yeah, longbow arrows didn't do so well against plated armor. However, very few knights could afford plate-armor, so everyone but them was killed/wounded/driven back, and then they were outnumbered/slaughtered.
Actually a real arrow will punch through armor. It may not get deep enough to kill a person but it will get through. Most armor back then was only 16gauge.
@sorbothane yeeeh... also interesting to watch how they frequently stop and check if the others fall behind... I guess that indicates how much REAL BALLS you needed in those days, charging as the first of your group and therefore be the most prominent target, with the most archers aming straight for you.
000000AEA000000 9 months ago
According to the Weapons that made Britain, munitions grade plate armour can be penetrated by a longbow, but we're talking about at 20m range. The finest Milanese stuff could take an arrow at 10m and protect the wearer.
Longbows defeating armoured knights happened under rather specific circumstances and casualties would have probably been mostly horses going down and dragging their riders down with them. And the ensuing trampling.
In an open field, an armoured charge would run archers over.
Wings012 10 months ago
@Wings012
Yes, an armoured charge would run them over - if it consists only of knights wearing the finest armour, which was almost never the case. Most soldiers were wearing munitions grade plate or there were guys with only minimal amount of armour who didn't belong to the rich nobility and did not have the money to afford the finest armour. And these guys were having a very hard time facing a barrage of heavy warbow arrows, believe me.
NICKarrowman 8 months ago
one fully trained archer with a #140 pound high altitude north faceing italian yew bow could kill the best armoured knight out to 200 odd yards! he could then let loose over 30 more arrows before the knight or man at arms was at 50 yards. At 50 yards he could start aiming at the eyes or groin, Only problem was that it took 15 to 20 years to train a real archer. FACT!!!!!
robbieatvic 1 year ago
@robbieatvic give me some fact's that anny bow could penetrat the brest plate att anny combat range!
SweStuff94 11 months ago
@robbieatvic he "could" but it isn't likely to happen, although there is the chance to, certainly.
Apart from that... from 200 to 50 yards distance of a knight equals approximate 30 arrows? Either the Archer is a skilled asian on speed, or the Knight has the lamest horse in history.
But it could also be, that you aimed too low altitude south........... imho
000000AEA000000 9 months ago
@robbieatvic given that a cavalry advance could cover that ground at the canter in about half a minute I doubt your statements. If the formation is undisciplined and breaking into a gallop early then your archer has about 15 seconds from glancing shots or dismounting the knight at long range until a lance is in his face.
Legolas is fantasy, and any other belief simply isn't matched by documented historical fact or indeed even in stylised tests.
CorBlimey2 9 months ago
@CorBlimey2 Yes thats true, about 15 secs would cover it. Only English archers dont wait out in the open field on flat land, normally they are up a hill or on broken ground and nearly always with large sharpened spikes dug into the earth, If you look at the battle of crecy, agincourt and even poiters you see that the so called unbeatable French Knights persist with the notion that we will "ride them down". Cavalry must of made a great target as the stumbled, fell,jumped and moved off course.
robbieatvic 9 months ago
Good old containment, always good fun.
666satanification666 1 year ago
wow there's a dude thats mega tall
NLmonsterNL 2 years ago
And yes I do realize getting hit with a fast sharp stick ,Stings like a bitch ,BUT THATS ALL when you have knight armour on.
GladiatorShield 2 years ago
Heres the thing, maybe if that wasn't cheap tin reanactment armor the bows wouldn't penetrate it.I could guarantee you that a bow isn't penetrating steel plate armour+chainmail+Thick leather,that is if i can get past the shield.Also a arrow tip would be blunted from going through any armor.
GladiatorShield 2 years ago
Arrow shot from 150# bow will go into that plate armor like nothing.
TatankaOhitika1 2 years ago
depending on the range of course.
kardentyrell 2 years ago
This was the last event after a few days of fighting had passed, not alot of gas left in the tank. Armour weighs in at between 60-80 lbs depending (16ga and 18ga most commonly used). Plate doesn't cover everything, one arrow passed through my butted chainmail into the shoulder. Armoured march! Yes I suppose it was - however we were curious to know how/where the arrows would penetrate. Keep in mind everyone here are regular people, not professional knights obviously, just a pleasure to do it.
busakabenka 2 years ago
just walking forward like a bunch of thugs who do give a shit
cryora 2 years ago
you people are stopid the armory is 200 ponds theye try to run they will get injurd
RorekSR 2 years ago
A full suit of plate armor doesn't weight 200 pounds... more like less than 75. And the weight is well distributed, so it don't feel like much of a burden. In fact, a person can flip around and swim in the armor without injury... and still have the protection to endure 100 arrows.
Of course, with so much protection, why waste stamina casing down archers, when you can have fun scaring them to death?
ManintheArmor 2 years ago 12
well, im pretty sure, one arrow from a warbow at that range would easily kill a armor clad knight.
yourredcomrade717 2 years ago
Mans got a point. ^.^
Shortpaulio 2 years ago
No, a suit of armour was 45 - 55lbs, around the same as what a average soldier carries in a equipment now.
AnonAnonyAnon 2 years ago
actually the modern soldier carries about twice that and considering most of our troops are in the middle east, the heat is even worse. Knights trained from birth while our troops are only enlisted for a few years. Armor was nothing to them.
pianoman91819 1 year ago
@ManintheArmor
Hey , take it easy ... At a 20 foot distance not even the best armour can take an arrow and keep the man wearing it intact...or even capable of fighting ...
az09jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj 1 year ago
@ManintheArmor maybe not swim the armour would make him sink...
rometotalwarviper 10 months ago
Oh! What a stomping charge, isn't it!
If my grandmother charges against them, they would be killed.
¬¬"
Gilroben 2 years ago
lol.....I think the knights forgot to pack their cucumber sandwiches and bottles of fizzy ginger beer during the "attack". :-)
withapulse 2 years ago
they dident even charge :(
lilscrappy1fan 3 years ago
Chaaarge you fat cunts
Poostachio 3 years ago
Ah, I believe that's a "march" against archers. :P
000majorwinters000 3 years ago 4
I lol'd when that guy fell randomly.
razethew0rld 3 years ago
hummmm ?
rattyarchery 3 years ago
i will say that the English Bodkin arrow has 'armour-piercing' capabilities when fitted with the right longbow and given to the english longbowmen at Agincourt for example
Cheers
Ausworthar 3 years ago
the bodkin was used for piercing chain mail
Friends752 3 years ago
haha, i'm not too sure about that, maybe you're right, that it pierces chainmail. thanks for sharing mate =)
Cheers
Ausworthar 3 years ago
yeah, longbow arrows didn't do so well against plated armor. However, very few knights could afford plate-armor, so everyone but them was killed/wounded/driven back, and then they were outnumbered/slaughtered.
sureshot649 3 years ago
it has to be a short bodkin to pierce plate and a long bodkin for chain.
Cheers!
ImparatorEugenius 3 years ago
ohh i see.. lol
thanks for sharin the knowledge man !
Cheers
Ausworthar 3 years ago
did the arrow pierce through the armour?
bangalaheng 4 years ago
yes
tomukaszkx 4 years ago
waow...i dun suppose the person is hurt arh?...
bangalaheng 4 years ago
no the arowws are fake and if thay were real thay wouldint pierce
ww2FAN121 3 years ago
Actually a real arrow will punch through armor. It may not get deep enough to kill a person but it will get through. Most armor back then was only 16gauge.
Kingonads 3 years ago
Not true, arrows & bolts often deflect from plate armor...
Look up watch?v=Uo72dL7uDuc & watch?v=D3997HzuWjk
255Knights 3 years ago
It would still punch through on flat angles. But not enough to kill... But not much actually would have gotten past a soldiers shield anyway.
Kingonads 3 years ago