I find it disappointing that until now... We still have NO IDEA how Archer fights with UBW (We have BMW, FUC & FSD but nothing 'official' from Nasu.). We know how Shirou fights with it (From the novel). But not Archer...
Is that a TTGL reference I see? Archer posing for the camera while Sakura explodes in the background reminds me quite a lot of the Giga Drill Breaker.
Also, keep in mind two things. One, it's the exact same camera angle as in episode 11 when Simon uses the Giga Drill Breaker, just mirrored.
Two, Battle Moon Wars is a pastiche of Super Robot Wars with the characters switched for Type-MOON ones, so it's not exactly impossible that it would reference a recent and totally fucking awesome Super Robot series.
oh heavens, i don't no. the earliest use of it i can think of is the original kamen rider series, which is from the 70's, but it's probably older than that.
Wow...original Kamen Rider? Earliet I could think of was Turboranger's RVRobo finisher or as the Americans know it as "TurboMegazord Spinout" and this was the 90s
I Know that. Reality Marbles are the proyection of the Magus personality and their feelings. Created by the own prana, it takes the form of a pararel world where the Magus can feel free and use his abilities to a higher level. Reality Marble is the most powerfull demostration of Taumaturgy by the Magus, and it has the power of the speciality of the Magus.
Reality Marble is considered his Noble Phantasm, because is his simbol of the Counter Guardian or Heroic Spirit
Well , the berserker class gives too many malus so i guess he would lose against Saber.
Hercules would be unbeatable only with another class like Saber or Archer and using Nine Lives would be sure death to the enemy , no matter how fast the other is , if he activates Nine Lives he overcomes the sound speed nine times and slash the enemy 9 times to death.
Their have been many speculations but in regards to Berserker being weaker. He got weaker in terms of being Blind and his divinity being lower.
But Berserker's Nine Lives is an All-Purpose Noble Phantasm. But what has been generally perceived is that Shirou while using the technique also used Berserker's strength was also applied at the same time, or the technique was used as if Berserker was using it when it was actually alive, allowing Shirou to defeat Black Berserker with Berserkers own NP.
actually ignore my post about Caliburn and Excalibur not taking all 12 lives shabalabadingdong. i talked to my friend about that and i was wrong.
but i also discussed the Saber (under Rins control) vs Berserker fight and it could honestly go either way. both have exceptional skill and a sense of danger, and Berserker has his Eye of the Mind which would keep him away from a direct hit from Excalibur. but if Berserker was capable of using Nine Lives the battle would probably tip in his favor.
but the problem with the Saber vs Berserker argument is that theyve never had an 1 on 1 fight with both at there strongest which makes it impossible to predict the outcome. in fate Saber would have lost but it was due to her using Excalibur before then and in UBW there fight didnt finish but Saber couldnt do anything against Berserker, she had a good advantage by dodging but if she went to attack she would been done for by one connected blow. a real match could go to either of them though.
look for all those people out there archer can defeat berserker pkay. It just the creators of the anime made him lose because he will take too much of saber spotlight and shiro's of course. If u watch the anime archer is alot weaker compaared to the game(game is the canon one) You see most of the anime is based on fate senerio so wat did you people expect him to win lol. Look when archer injured his arm to the point where he can only use one arm in combat it already hinted that the creators.
Okay, fine, so Archer didn't use UBW in the original Fate timeline. Big deal, it's still awesome to see animated.
And for that matter, Archer taking five of Berserker's lives *without* using UWB is far more badass in my mind than taking six with it. That must have been one *hell* of a fight.
nope he didn't use that... I've played the game... the UBW was only shown in the UBW route and HF route, in Fate's route he didn't use it though in the anime the battle w/ berserker was changed and he somewhat used the UBW in that battle...
Good god. How about commenting on the video instead of having a war over who can make the biggest idiot of themselves.
Also, "Dun underestimate an Otaku's knowledge" is one of the most pathetic things I've ever read.
ANYWAY. I always did dig the music associated with this attack. I don't know if the music getting more intense coinciding with "Unlimited Blade Works" appearing on screen was intentional, but either way it works nicely.
It, literally refers to Archer/Shirou's Projecting ability which actually uses his body as a catalyst to create these weapons. Other mages can do it too but only if they have a item to create it with. This is why only he can do such a spell and have to say those words to set fourth his mind for his Reality Marble.
I'm aware of why he says it, and am familiar with the work in question, but it doesn't make it sound less silly, really. The Japanese are wonderful, but their handling of languages that aren't their own can be... comical.
Though I'm sure my attempt at their language would be no less hilarious, so it comes full circle.
simple archer didnt use unlimited blade works against berserker.(but then berserker couldnt use ninelives so who knows what happens to a sane heracles vs faker with unlimited blade works)
in the original visual novel he didnt. but still killed him 6 times. but berserker is under mad enhancement*exchange for rank up in all parameters automatically owning all other servants in combat without noble phantasms + god hand makes him haxed* therefore lacking intelligence(unable to use 9 lives his most powerful noble phantasm).
He did. They just never actually showed the battle. They just cut to the part with Shirou running away with the others and the "erotic" scene in a little abandoned place that Archer found.
Berserker's noble phantasm is actually his body so...nothing under A+ rank can hurt him. Berserker can use 9 lives, they just never show you. It just looks like super fast slashes instead of the actual move that Shirou does in heaven's feel.
thats the anime not the original visual novel. berserker can't use the real 9 lives due to mental hinderance 9 lives as noble phantasm is suppose to be bow and arrow set but the technique can also be adapted to other weapons. (typemoon released a fate stay night magazine with all the stuff explained. caster even has another noble phantasm besides rule breaker called agon coin)
there is also an interview with nasu and takeuchi and they said that during the anime they decided to add the unlimited blade works to the berserker fight so that it can let the people that never played the game to see what archer can do.
buy time for shirou and group to escape*in fate due to injury cs by saber he might not be able to perform it? unlimited blade works route was focused on this technq therefore there is no way he could have used it in fate. if he used it he might have won by shooting berserker with weapons over and over again like gilgamesh(altho he used enkido to bind him). but plz remember berserker couldnt use 9lives(the bow and arrow set not the axe sword adaption aka shirou version of the technique)
Well you see, even if he used Unlimited Blade Works, his weapons are one rank lower than the originals, so if it was an A ranking(Like the Excalibur) it wouldn't harm Berserker.
Archer has healed by the time they encountered Berserker. He only needs to chant it to use UBW. They also showed Berserker use 9 lives in Fate: Unlimited codes, but that's just a game I suppose...
Archer can use UBW in fate, but they just never showed it in Fate because that wasn't the focus of the Fate route.
archer wasnt completely healed. unlimited codes didnt show 9lives(please dont judge only by ur eyes fast strikes /= 9lives. if bersker uses ninelives it should be 9consecutive arrows, also its only a game). okay if broken phantasm caladbolg hits berserker it cost him a life, kansho and bakuya overedge combo can kill him 2+ times. trace caliburn and hit kills him 7times. plus unlimited blade works' weapon attacks berserker MIGHT have lost. i know archer can use it in fate but he didnt use it.
SealingMaster, Archer did use UBW on Berserker in Fate Route. And he killed Berserker 5 times, not 2.
Also, the Noble Phantasm that Berserker used was Twelve Trials, not Nine Lives.
Twelve Trials are based off of Hercules' 12trials given by Goddess Hera. That gave Berserker 11 extra more lives.
Nine Lives, the other Noble Phantasm, is what he used to kill Hydra, the nine headed snake, with his bow. He show 9 arrows at once to shoot down all of Hydra's head.
Alright, I guess Archer didn't use UBW against Berserker. I just checked in the game and didn't see any sign of UBW... although he indirectly used it (that every weapons of his come from UBW, even when he is tracing them).
Anyway, Archer still cannot defeat Berserker even if he did use it because as Nasu said, UBW is just a mere nuisance for Servents who have mastered in one weapon. So, UBW is truly effective only in Army vs Army type battles(ex. Gilgamesh).
like i said it depends if archer traced caliburn and stab berserker through the stomach that would cost him 7lives. fire 1 caladbolg takes a life from him, use overedge takes 2 lives, add UBW = dead berserker. losing sanity is a huge disadvantage since u cant use complex NPs in exchange for overpowering any in non NP battles.
=.= OMFG please....berserker has nine lives but due to the nature of his Servant Class he can't use it. BUT the technique is demonstrated by Shirou through tracing!
berserker has 12 lives, for the 12 labours of hercules, im not sure on this myself, its a little sketchy but i think when shirou creates berserkers lives he only produces 9 from limitation.
Nine Lives is a bow and arrow set that is Berserker's most powerful weapon, which he used to slay the Hydra and its countless heads. Or rather, it's his skill with the bow and arrow, the technique itself, which was later adapted into use with other weapons. However, since he was Mad Enchanced, he lacked the function to use it properly.
In Heaven's Feel, Shirou recreates Berserker's sword along with the Nine Lives ability: hence the bombardment of attacks akin to killing the Hydra.
Yeh well in this case i said i wasn't sure, so i wasn't wrong because i didn't state anything in the first place, to chicken shit to give me your aim to properly argue this out or what, youd didnt replay to the rest of the stuff i said so i guess you admit defeat
if u mean what i said about Berserker i didnt mean nine lives bladeworks. Hercules has a bow that was given to him as a reward for completing one of his 12 tasks and it is named nine lives, but because of his mad enhancement he doesnt have the motor skills required to use it.
You guys are gettgin crazily confused, if Archer does realit marble then the ranks of the weapons are minus one rank, but Shirous version is flawless, AKA he creates the the copies better than the original "there is no rule that says i cannot make my swords stronger gllgamesh"
Archer and Shirou are the same person, hence their reality marble is the same.
And besides his quote was "There is no rules that says copies cannot defeat the original."
It just so happens that Gilgamesh cannot use his weapons to their fullest since he is only an owner. So really, if Archer fought Gilgamesh, Archer would have won. That's why Archer told Shirou, his past self, "Only you can defeat Gilgamesh".
Dont think ive played through FSN and not discovered that... I never said they wasnt the same person in originality, but technicaly it even says in the game they are two different physical people, hence why the shirou in UBW vowed to never become like Archer (in thought pattern wise atleast) and thus he wont, making him a different person physically, hence why both can exist at the same time. Shirou vowed to stick to what Archer originally beleived in and never regret what he did.
Oh and btw i know gilgamesh cant use them at their full potential but it makes no difference because they can still own mostly anyone just by projecting them. Also Shirous reality marble is different because they reflect on each's personality, not to mention shirou has a different reality marble chant. Shirous reality marble isnt a factory how Archers is described, hence why his version has no cogs, (aka it isnt a desolate lonely place to him just for creating weapons)
Except there's a major flaw in everything you've been saying up until now. That being the fact of Archer's Reality Marble IS the exact same as Shirou's in every shape and form. The scenery might be different, but it's still the same. Why? Because Archer obtained UBW before his death - while he was pursuing the exact same lifestyle that Shirou himself intends on following.
Not only that, but if he'd not been without a Master, and already beaten up from fighting Lancer and Shirou..
..Then Archer would have kicked Gilgamesh's ass just as easily, if not more easily than Shirou did. Shirou's replicas are all of the same rank as Archer's, dropped down a single rank. The only reason Shirou and Archer are superior to Gilgamesh in combat is due to the fact that they can access their weapons faster and counter them, on account of Gilgamesh having to draw his out of the Gates of Babylon, as opposed to UBW having all the weapons layed out for the wielder to take and use on the spot.
I can flip that coin right back at you actually, theres no flaws in what ive been saying because you are wrong in the aspect your using. Archers and shirous reality marbles are entirely diffferent, reason being, their lifestyles were NOT exactly the same, for one thing illya for example dieing different in his past and if factually his greatest regret. Shirou on the other hand accepted her death as part of the war, where as illya died a year after in Archers route which in itself proves they dif
What your misunderstanding is that they were originally the same people but from the moment Archer of the end of the holy grail war their lives changed dependant on what happened around them. Like archer says they both has the same starting point but their lives turned into like a crossroads after UBW. Also Archer could have killed gilgamesh just as easy your right but, the point i was making was Archer wasn't as strong as shirou is in UBW that early. His power came over time, shirous came from.
*continued* The understanding that he knew his own potential by seeing Archer and knew that thats what he could become right at that time. And obviously Archer was weakened etc, thats a given but to even fight your future self in anyway is a disadvantage to the extreme.
BZZT! Wrong-o! Their lifestyles were identical. Out of all the paths in Fate/Stay Night, the Fate path - the one that was the canon, official, ending, is the one where Shirou's path was closest to being that of Archer's. UBW is also almost as close, the only difference being what happened after the war - however, both Reality Marbles are still one and the same in their nature and what they do. There is no changing what they do, even if the appearance changes to reflect their hearts.
Furthermore, Ilya dies anyway. In all paths, regardless of events, Ilya will die. In UBW she dies a bit earlier and never gets to know Shirou, but that doesn't change the fact that he regrets being unable to save her, just as Archer does.
What you are assuming is that just because they lived different lives, their ability is different in the process, whereas the fact is that the sole reason Shirou can perform UBW in the second route is BECAUSE he knew he could do it from seeing Archer.
Again, what you are assuming here is that just because the Shirou of then and the Shirou of later (Archer) see things just a tiny bit differently, then their power changes also. Well, again, you're wrong. The ability, the Reality Marble known as UBW, is the same regardless, as it reflects on the very nature of Shirou and Archer, not their ideals; the embodiment of a person who lived his entire life as a tool, or a weapon for a single cause.
What you also fail to realize is that even though he..
..wound up hating himself over it, Archer never once strayed from his ideal regardless, even if it meant doing hypocritical things as a byproduct.
Archer even admits that he agrees with Shirou's way of thinking. He's just a bit less merciless about it. They're both pacifists by nature, and they both wish for everyone to be happy. They both know they'll fight if they need to, but Archer is different because he chooses to nip problems in the bud instead.
..change anything other than their outlook on life. Which, I'm repeating now for the third time, just so as to make sure it gets through to you, does NOT. I repeat again, it does NOT change the way the Reality Marble functions.
Unlimited Blade Works replicates any weapon at a glance, and drops it down a rank. Shirou admits that the weapons are trifling copies. Nasu himself has backed the information up.
Theres nothing else to say, your opinion is flawed, your using wikipedia, which i can tell from how your replying as a basis for your arguement, and ive seen every wiki page for FSN, alot of stuff is incorrect. I dunno where you got it in your head their reality marbles are the same, the point im making is by the time Shirou in UBW gets to the point Archers at, he will be stronger, the circulation doesnt repeat like your suposing. Have you got aim, trust me your wrong, and ill prove it.
Your using alot of assumptions as well, Nasu did not confirm that information up whatsoever either. I never in the first place said it changes the reality marbles function, ofcourse it works the same, i said Shirous is more powerful, your assuming Archer has already gone through what shirou is experiencing in UBW, like you said Archer resembled shirou mostly from Fate. Hence why the Shirou in UBW CAN and IS more powerful maybe if i drill this into your head far enough you will understand.
Another point is that i dont know how familar you are with FSN obviously not much, but each FSN route is the three stages of life, the childhood (retaining belief in the dream-FATE) Teenager (trying to grasp both dream and both realistic at the same time- UBW)
Adulthood - (sacrificing your dream for another, utter realisation of the impossible). With this in mind its also been debated that in itself serves as proof of Shirou in UBW being stronger than either of the other two. lets stop spamming
Actually, I've played through F/SN back and forth several times already, and read some of the translations from Nasu's sourcebooks.
So no, I don't think I'm assuming when I tell you that the Reality Marble's ability is still the same no matter what happens in the individual's life. It doesn't get 'stronger' or 'weaker' in any way other than how much the individual believes that the sword they recreated is a 100% replica. Something neither has a problem with at that point. So get over it.
theres nothing to get over moron, ive read the original concepts by typemoon for FSN, alot of their designs came close to tsukihimes, in their originalities etc, and i assure you Archer is not stronger than Shirou, because Shirou from UBW is not the same person how do you not get this, i know hey are past and future seleves, but their enitities are seperate... They can become different people, Shirou can become stronger than Archer, Archer can get stronger to, but the Archer is from Fate.
I understand perfectly well that the individual persona is a seperate person, on account of them leading different lives post-Grail War, as I have pointed out before.
What you seem to be refusing to acknowledge is the fact that UBW doesn't change in the slightest despite that; namely because you've convinced yourself that different personality = MOAR POWAH despite the fact that the ability is entirely based on an individual's perception and conviction of how perfect the copied weapon is.
In that regards, Archer is more powerful than Shirou during the Grail War and its events, regardless of the route. The reason for this is that Shirou, despite having absorbed some of Archer's skill hasn't got the experience and mastery that Archer has had over years of fighting - something that Archer points out, and Shirou himself admits that he still isn't as good as Archer was. Maybe AFTER the Grail War, but not during it.
Even in Heaven's Feel, having Archer's arm, he still wasn't as good.
It is VERY subjective to which scenario of Shirou/Archer is the strongest.
But what I can confirm is that Shirou traced a caliburn which could kill 6 or 7 Lives of Berserker in the Fate Scenario(depending on Anime or Visual Novel)
However, Shirou killed Berserker 12 TIMES with the use of Nine Lives Blade Works in Heaven's Feel. But, Berserker's divinity was lowered, blind and wasn't as strong as the other versions.
I'm just voicing my opinions and not stating any facts, pls dun flame me ^^
Nobody's gonna flame ya. Well, Lackeira might, since all he seems capable of doing is repeating the same argument with nothing to back it up, calling people names, and screaming " WHY DON'T YOU GET IT?! WHY DON'T YOU AGREE WITH MEEEE?!?!"
But yeah, in terms of being powerful, UBW and Heaven's Feel Shirou are subjective. In UBW he absorbs some of the skill, but not all of it, while in HF he gains all of the power, but it's too much for his body to handle and slowly starts killing him.
Phew....glad I ain't making enemies man. I just wanna share my opinion with fans of the game/storyline.
Archer = SUPER GAR, my brother who's not an anime fan still imitates his movements and loves watching the Unlimited Blade Works scene from the Anime and BMW
lol.... well the other guy is an ignorant prick who can pull his head out of his ass for long enough to understand hes wrong, and just reiterating the same things over and over like a broken record, nones going to flame you but he flamed me when his arguement is wrong, but ignore him because he doesnt know how take take being wrong and resorts to basic insults, when he is. But your right about what you said anyways.
Yeh whatever you say, your opinion doesn't mean jack shit to me anymore. I've played this game more than enough times, and have talked with the people who are currently translating HF route, 'typemoon' and they agree with me based on their perceptions of reading the original japanese of FSN, and they translate the dam thing, so i think i know who i agree with. Rather than a guy like you who sems to be best mates with Nasu *sarcasm* in case you didn't catch it.
Me flame? rofl you flamed me you ignorant prick. Go back to 4chan where you belong, broken record. Better yet, tear the swastika and moustache off... If you took the time to actually read any of what ive said, your the one repeating yourself, your wrong, and you obviously can't deal with it. I mean even the last thing you argued contradicted most of what youve said. If they are different people Shirou has the potential to become stronger than Archer. Also shirous swords arent minus ranked in UBW
simple archer didnt use unlimited blade works against berserker.(but then berserker couldnt use ninelives so who knows what happens to a sane heracles vs faker with unlimited blade works)
well i wasn't too surprise when berserker defeated archer since t berserker is Hercules after all. But i had a feeling archer wasn't giving his all since he was only using one arm to fight while unlimited blade works was unleashed. I think He could've have beat berseker with two arms weilding the swords. Guess the creators of the anime didn't want archer to win. Well could/ve let him battle shiro and show shiro how to use unlimited blade works.
Berserker is actually THE strongest servant, his stats are the highest and God Hand gives him the advantage he needs over other servants who's NP can kill in one shot.
Also Archer is a counter guardian meaning he's stronger than an average servant but no matter how strong he is Berserker is part god and lived during the time of mythical beasts so he's in another liege. And if Hercules was summoned as another class without his mad enhancement Archer might not have even killed him once.
Even under Rins control Saber is weaker than Berserker. And i know Gil is the strongest, he even proved that by killing Berserker in UBW, i was referring to the legitimate servants in Heavens Feel 5.
Um do you know how Shirou trances? he doesnt make imitations he reproduces the actual sword with all its abilities and Caliburn is more powerful than Excalibur. and Saber was going to die if Shirou didnt help.
actually his agility is an A so dodging an onslaught of swords wouldnt be impossible.
Projecting swords decreases its rank by one, you know. Saber had no energy left, so even her Excalibur would do nothing, so Shirou had to help. If Saber had all of her energy, her Excalibur would kill Berserker in one shot.
Gilgamesh isn't all that strong. The only thing is his Noble Phantasms.
If Heracles was in another class, his Agility would be B. It's A because of his madness ability as a berserker.
And Projection is an illusion from the mind made real. So it's not the actual sword.
If it was, you'd expect it not to break. But it does when it's done incorrectly. So it's an imitation with the same abilities.
Saber under Rin is much stronger than Berserker. Having an A rank attack means her attacks will hurt, and she's a small target. Plus, when she had Shirou as a master, they fought in the cemetery and Saber had the advantage. Having Rin as a master is overkill.
Even as an imitation with the same abilities it holds the same destructive power just slightly less.
Sabers stats are still weaker than Berserkers even under Rin and Sakuras control, i think your forgetting that Illya is as good if not a better magus then Rin.
And Saber was able too keep up in the cemetery because Berserker wasnt able to get even ground because of all the obstetrical which Saber also used for footing.
Berserker was dominating Saber in ever battle including the cometary, Saber couldnt get an attack in.
Stats are very important and he also has abilities beyond just brute strength. Saber cannot outwit Berserker because in the end their battles will come down to fighting ability. Saber cant use a strategy because Berserker can see right through it with his eyes of the mind. Sanity doesnt matter when his instincts tell him the best course of action to take.
Berserker was dominating Saber in the cemetary? You should go play the UBW arc and watch it again. Saber had the advantage. Had she have a proper master, she would have probably killed Berserker once.Berserker lost his balance and Saber would have slashed his head, but Archer shot his kaladobolg.
And Berserker's "Mind Eye" only detects danger, not some plan his enemy has come up with. Same for Saber. He only detects immediate danger, such as a kaladobolg coming straight for his head.
i think u should play it again, Saber couldnt attack and risk getting hit cuz one blow from Berserker can kill her thats why all she did way dodge. even if she killed him once his autoregeneration would have kicked in and he would have killed her since she wouldnt expect it.
yes it is a hightend sense of danger and with it he can sense the danger that is brougt from anything Saber does and react to it.
but its hard to argue with a Saber fanboy who dosnt know the straight of the other servants.
Excalibur is more powerful in magical energy release but caliburn is a more destructive sword in terms of brute force which is why Excalibur is ranked as a higher NP.
it does decrease its rank but it still holds all of its original abilities. But even the magical release from Excalibur wouldnt kill him 12 times.
I know Gil has weak stats but all he needs are his NP to be the strongest.
thats true but if he was another class he could use nine lives and he used that bow in life to slay the Hydra.
Sure, if Heracles was another class, but that never happens. We can't count "What-ifs" here.
Excalibur probably wouldn't be able to kill Heracles 12 times, but maybe at least 8 times. But we don't know that. I think she can with a proper master.
Anyways, Gil has similar stats to Saber without a proper master, except for having higher Luck and NP. If stats mattered, Gilgamesh should have won, but he didn't.
Well, Saber having Avalon would make her the strongest anyways.
actually it can happen since Hercules can be any class besides Caster and Assassin. But then this whole argument is a what if since Saber will never fight Berserker at full strength.
It probably can kill him if Rin is Sabers master but he wount just let it happen, he has his eyes of the mind which will tell him if a situation is dangerous and he has fast enough reflexes to get out of the way.
Avalon wouldnt maker her the strongest since it allows no offensive capabilities when used.
stats are very important but i never said they determine the outcome of a match, the servants respective abilities also play a big role but if the stats are overwhelming in difference then the battle can pretty much be decided unless an overwhelming NP is used.
And if Gil fought seriously Saber would never have a chance at winning even under Rins control. you do realize that Gil never fought seriously and if he does hes the most powerful servant and can even beat Arc at 30% power.
My Mandorian has improved loads! I can recite the whole chant!
PhantasmagoricArcher 1 week ago
@Flaketeer people joke about Chuck Norris. Archer is serious business
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This is so exagerated and funny. x3
soul1112 2 months ago
kawaii archer!!! look like chibi. XD
TheSjsroPlayer 1 year ago
i have no idea what battle moon wars is but that was awesome
project0omega 1 year ago
long live the archer.
LironScatterGun 1 year ago
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like this if you think people who run like archer at 3:00 in real life are fags
mamushi72sai5575 1 year ago
haha chibi!:D
Kondi17 1 year ago
这个是fate系列啥子游戏啊介绍下
huchao2307 1 year ago
I find it disappointing that until now... We still have NO IDEA how Archer fights with UBW (We have BMW, FUC & FSD but nothing 'official' from Nasu.). We know how Shirou fights with it (From the novel). But not Archer...
SoulGundam 1 year ago
@SoulGundam Fuse Gilgamesh with Shirou and that's how archer fights in it.
Minatominase 1 year ago
@SoulGundam Well, however he fights was good enough to kill Berserker 5 times when he was already half dead, let's just leave it at that.
DaGerman2863 1 year ago
@DaGerman2863 In the Novel he kills him 6 times cuz he is even more badass there :D
megadragonblade 1 year ago
GAR!!! SO GAR!!!
rincewindTA 2 years ago 12
DragonballzBudokai took the words out of my mouth
soracoltrane 2 years ago
Just... Damn.
RisenChudJr 2 years ago 4
sakura got raped!!
Archer is god
DragonballzBudokai 2 years ago 39
@DragonballzBudokai i see what you did there
LironScatterGun 1 year ago
that whole thing was ear rape even if it was cool it was to loud and i have the volume near 0
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Cartoony attack sprites and special effects aside, I'll give it 4 stars for the good use of music in tandem with the whole thing.
ChaosMissile 2 years ago
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remind me to rent a helicopter to blow up and run away from in slow motion as tribute to the Gurren Lagann reference
loki4687 2 years ago
Hoooly fuck that's a lot of damage.
Good remix of Emiya as BGM.
Is that a TTGL reference I see? Archer posing for the camera while Sakura explodes in the background reminds me quite a lot of the Giga Drill Breaker.
SeanTucker858 2 years ago
Please tell me you don't really believe that the "turn to the camera while enemy explodes" thing originated with Gurren Lagann.
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Please tell me where it did originate with instead of being a smartass.
SeanTucker858 2 years ago
Also, keep in mind two things. One, it's the exact same camera angle as in episode 11 when Simon uses the Giga Drill Breaker, just mirrored.
Two, Battle Moon Wars is a pastiche of Super Robot Wars with the characters switched for Type-MOON ones, so it's not exactly impossible that it would reference a recent and totally fucking awesome Super Robot series.
SeanTucker858 2 years ago
oh heavens, i don't no. the earliest use of it i can think of is the original kamen rider series, which is from the 70's, but it's probably older than that.
flamingemu 2 years ago 2
Wow...original Kamen Rider? Earliet I could think of was Turboranger's RVRobo finisher or as the Americans know it as "TurboMegazord Spinout" and this was the 90s
ChaosMissile 2 years ago
BMW came out before TTGL lol
NewtypeChild6 2 years ago 5
This is incredibly awesome. Doesn't help that at 0:46 It looks like Archer tried to eat Sakura.
Stig22121 2 years ago 6
lol i didnt realize that it until you said it
loki4687 2 years ago 2
Now, that's what I call Unlimited Blade Works.
Yukisensei13 2 years ago 2
Archer is the FSN equivalent of Chuck Norris.
Flaketeer 2 years ago 99
@Flaketeer it's ironic and i'ma get thumbed down for this, but the situation of assassin fit's Chuck Norris more in this case. @_@
blazearmoru 4 months ago
Moral of the story, Sakura is Archer's bitch.
basch71 2 years ago 2
M-M-M-M-M-M-MONSTER KILL-Kill-kill...
O_O''
Mettaler 2 years ago 3
INSTAGIB!
HOLY SHIT Shit shit shit....
FATALITY!
PERFECT VICTORY!
DESTOYED!
JaftenLKA 2 years ago
My EARS...My EYES!! Oh god the epicness! O.O
qwerty6016 2 years ago 6
Did she just fucking explode? O_O hahah AWESOME
Kurtablia 2 years ago 2
I like the scene where he yells
loranzo15 2 years ago 4
OWNED!
AlchemistOfHistory 2 years ago
UBW, One of the most powerfulls Noble Phantasm in the world, and for me, the most GAR AND EPIC IN THE WORLD!!!
Ezekratos 2 years ago
actually it isnt a noble phantasm per say... its a .... Magic basically.
LooieLycanLucius 2 years ago
I Know that. Reality Marbles are the proyection of the Magus personality and their feelings. Created by the own prana, it takes the form of a pararel world where the Magus can feel free and use his abilities to a higher level. Reality Marble is the most powerfull demostration of Taumaturgy by the Magus, and it has the power of the speciality of the Magus.
Reality Marble is considered his Noble Phantasm, because is his simbol of the Counter Guardian or Heroic Spirit
Ezekratos 2 years ago
That....was so.... EPIC!!!!!!
DaRedJester 2 years ago 3
Gahaha she asploded
12eebok 2 years ago
This reminds me of SRW! xD
RodukoXMukuro 3 years ago
it should cause the game is based on srw.
180223 3 years ago
0:22 BEHOLD, TIS THE GOD OF EPIC CHIBI!!! lol
desertgod 3 years ago 3
Why is the conversation about Berserker vs Saber while the vid is about Sakura vs Archer??
Anywazzz I think the batle Berserker vs Saber would be a draw unless Saber could land two direct hits with excalibur.
Hardking01 3 years ago
Well , the berserker class gives too many malus so i guess he would lose against Saber.
Hercules would be unbeatable only with another class like Saber or Archer and using Nine Lives would be sure death to the enemy , no matter how fast the other is , if he activates Nine Lives he overcomes the sound speed nine times and slash the enemy 9 times to death.
SkyHize 3 years ago
Their have been many speculations but in regards to Berserker being weaker. He got weaker in terms of being Blind and his divinity being lower.
But Berserker's Nine Lives is an All-Purpose Noble Phantasm. But what has been generally perceived is that Shirou while using the technique also used Berserker's strength was also applied at the same time, or the technique was used as if Berserker was using it when it was actually alive, allowing Shirou to defeat Black Berserker with Berserkers own NP.
gridiron760 3 years ago
actually ignore my post about Caliburn and Excalibur not taking all 12 lives shabalabadingdong. i talked to my friend about that and i was wrong.
but i also discussed the Saber (under Rins control) vs Berserker fight and it could honestly go either way. both have exceptional skill and a sense of danger, and Berserker has his Eye of the Mind which would keep him away from a direct hit from Excalibur. but if Berserker was capable of using Nine Lives the battle would probably tip in his favor.
ketuekigami 3 years ago
but the problem with the Saber vs Berserker argument is that theyve never had an 1 on 1 fight with both at there strongest which makes it impossible to predict the outcome. in fate Saber would have lost but it was due to her using Excalibur before then and in UBW there fight didnt finish but Saber couldnt do anything against Berserker, she had a good advantage by dodging but if she went to attack she would been done for by one connected blow. a real match could go to either of them though.
ketuekigami 3 years ago
look for all those people out there archer can defeat berserker pkay. It just the creators of the anime made him lose because he will take too much of saber spotlight and shiro's of course. If u watch the anime archer is alot weaker compaared to the game(game is the canon one) You see most of the anime is based on fate senerio so wat did you people expect him to win lol. Look when archer injured his arm to the point where he can only use one arm in combat it already hinted that the creators.
thunder2rain 3 years ago
Archer didnt use UBW in Fate route. The anime was inaccurate in so many ways it makes my head spin.
ketuekigami 3 years ago
Okay, fine, so Archer didn't use UBW in the original Fate timeline. Big deal, it's still awesome to see animated.
And for that matter, Archer taking five of Berserker's lives *without* using UWB is far more badass in my mind than taking six with it. That must have been one *hell* of a fight.
Comartemis 3 years ago 2
it is much more GAR that Archer took out 5 lives without UBW and also after he was injured by Saber.
ketuekigami 3 years ago
you're the noob he really used that :)))
Allpha4ya 3 years ago
nope he didn't use that... I've played the game... the UBW was only shown in the UBW route and HF route, in Fate's route he didn't use it though in the anime the battle w/ berserker was changed and he somewhat used the UBW in that battle...
experienced5 3 years ago
Music to inflame the soul.
If anything can get me to go learn martial arts or get into Kendo again, I think it might well be GAR music like this.
thoughtLayer7 3 years ago
Good god. How about commenting on the video instead of having a war over who can make the biggest idiot of themselves.
Also, "Dun underestimate an Otaku's knowledge" is one of the most pathetic things I've ever read.
ANYWAY. I always did dig the music associated with this attack. I don't know if the music getting more intense coinciding with "Unlimited Blade Works" appearing on screen was intentional, but either way it works nicely.
LadyMiaow 3 years ago
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lolol the "bone" of mah sword!! (keeps filling this video with stupidity)
Saviour86 3 years ago
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I'm glad I'm not the only person who's realized what a ridiculous thing "bone of my sword" is to say.
I mean, it's not an effective speech if it makes the enemy laugh at you.
LadyMiaow 3 years ago
Who are YOU to judge the GAR-ness of the UBW chant FOOL!
RaineSeras 3 years ago 2
It, literally refers to Archer/Shirou's Projecting ability which actually uses his body as a catalyst to create these weapons. Other mages can do it too but only if they have a item to create it with. This is why only he can do such a spell and have to say those words to set fourth his mind for his Reality Marble.
Anyways, 2/10 for the troll comments =p
NewtypeChild6 3 years ago
I'm aware of why he says it, and am familiar with the work in question, but it doesn't make it sound less silly, really. The Japanese are wonderful, but their handling of languages that aren't their own can be... comical.
Though I'm sure my attempt at their language would be no less hilarious, so it comes full circle.
LadyMiaow 3 years ago
spell chant in fiction never make sense. Did ya see the dub version of the UBW chant? It's even more silly.
NewtypeChild6 3 years ago
In ancient english, BONE would b used as an expressive word for the Foundation of any composition, material or Value
RaineSeras 3 years ago
You got a problem with a guy taking pride in being an otaku??? =.=+
RaineSeras 3 years ago
Yes.
LadyMiaow 3 years ago
What?
RaineSeras 3 years ago
Why would you take pride in being compared to someone who literally killed girls and raped the body?
Even the name means house, implying you stay in your house outside important or food-related business.
Hinamo623 3 years ago
Apparently, we speak the same language but aren't in the same world. Retard! Look at all your comments being flamed with negatives!
RaineSeras 3 years ago
You mean LadyMiaow.
There's only one negative for me and it's probably because they don't know the news story of the original otaku.
Hinamo623 3 years ago
I smell sarcasm!
RaineSeras 3 years ago
Goddamn it, I can't believe now how long it's been since I used UBW in this game.
Fuck it, I'm going through the Real route again RIGHT NOW.
thoughtLayer7 3 years ago
Cool info in the comments section. But doesn't seem like the Grail war had balanced contenders lol. Overpowered!!
rydendm 3 years ago
Anyone knows if there's a New Game+ to this? I finished the game with 36 battle masteries but I didn't find a New Game+. :(
Makuru 3 years ago
The series is not over yet.
There's a 4th one coming out soon.
That is the last of the series so if theres gonna be a New Game+, it's after that.
hp0706 3 years ago
Ah, I thought they'd let us do New Game+ early so we wouldn't have to wait. I have over 1000 fp waiting to be spent. ;)
Makuru 3 years ago
and i always thought that Saber was the one on that hill...
MonosEx 3 years ago
Saber fought on such a hill, Archer died on one.
VanquisherX 3 years ago
I also thought that Saber was on that hill.
But I figurd it was Archer because when Shirou fought Archer, Shirou saw a part of his memory when Archer died and you saw that hill.
B0ki 3 years ago
Dear god in heaven, they actually made him *more* badass than he already was!
Anyone know where I can get a copy of the background music?
Comartemis 3 years ago
Download a audio recorder, but quality wont be good :/
EvilPeter83 3 years ago
puto ataque
rourop 3 years ago
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A partir de su unlimited blade works y hice mi el mio aunque algo parecido:
I am my own sword,
steel is my body and fire my blood,
i have create the perfect sword
ready to dead
and ready to reborn
have withstood pain to create de perfect weapon
to destroy de evil and save the world
so as i pray "DRAGON SWORD"
dragonautaaxe 3 years ago
...2/10
I am the bone of my sword.
Steel is my body, and fire is my blood.
I have created over a thousand blades.
Unknown to death, nor known to life.
Have withstood pain to create many weapons.
Yet, those hands will never hold anything.
So as I pray, Unlimited blade works.
shabalabadingdong 3 years ago
GAR!!!!!!!
ControlledChaos999 4 years ago 2
She exploded?
CerebrateHyatt 4 years ago
Witnessing such GAR would make anyone explode.
NewtypeChild6 4 years ago 11
Actually this ammount of GAR is enough to vaporize the entire universe. Archer is just GAR enough to prevent it.
Serinah 3 years ago 8
God knows how the hell Berserker defeated Archer.
shabalabadingdong 3 years ago
simple archer didnt use unlimited blade works against berserker.(but then berserker couldnt use ninelives so who knows what happens to a sane heracles vs faker with unlimited blade works)
SealingMaster 3 years ago
Didn't Archer use Unlimited Blade Works?
It only managed to kill him twice though...
Wow, kill him twice over. Berserker is just lucky to have 12 freaking lives.
shabalabadingdong 3 years ago
in the original visual novel he didnt. but still killed him 6 times. but berserker is under mad enhancement*exchange for rank up in all parameters automatically owning all other servants in combat without noble phantasms + god hand makes him haxed* therefore lacking intelligence(unable to use 9 lives his most powerful noble phantasm).
SealingMaster 3 years ago
He did. They just never actually showed the battle. They just cut to the part with Shirou running away with the others and the "erotic" scene in a little abandoned place that Archer found.
Berserker's noble phantasm is actually his body so...nothing under A+ rank can hurt him. Berserker can use 9 lives, they just never show you. It just looks like super fast slashes instead of the actual move that Shirou does in heaven's feel.
shabalabadingdong 3 years ago
thats the anime not the original visual novel. berserker can't use the real 9 lives due to mental hinderance 9 lives as noble phantasm is suppose to be bow and arrow set but the technique can also be adapted to other weapons. (typemoon released a fate stay night magazine with all the stuff explained. caster even has another noble phantasm besides rule breaker called agon coin)
SealingMaster 3 years ago
there is also an interview with nasu and takeuchi and they said that during the anime they decided to add the unlimited blade works to the berserker fight so that it can let the people that never played the game to see what archer can do.
SealingMaster 3 years ago
Well, whatever. I believe Archer used his unlimited blade works in his fight with Hercules because without it, he would of lost anyways.
Why would Archer not use unlimited blade works if he was going to lose anyways?
shabalabadingdong 3 years ago
buy time for shirou and group to escape*in fate due to injury cs by saber he might not be able to perform it? unlimited blade works route was focused on this technq therefore there is no way he could have used it in fate. if he used it he might have won by shooting berserker with weapons over and over again like gilgamesh(altho he used enkido to bind him). but plz remember berserker couldnt use 9lives(the bow and arrow set not the axe sword adaption aka shirou version of the technique)
SealingMaster 3 years ago
Well you see, even if he used Unlimited Blade Works, his weapons are one rank lower than the originals, so if it was an A ranking(Like the Excalibur) it wouldn't harm Berserker.
Archer has healed by the time they encountered Berserker. He only needs to chant it to use UBW. They also showed Berserker use 9 lives in Fate: Unlimited codes, but that's just a game I suppose...
Archer can use UBW in fate, but they just never showed it in Fate because that wasn't the focus of the Fate route.
shabalabadingdong 3 years ago
archer wasnt completely healed. unlimited codes didnt show 9lives(please dont judge only by ur eyes fast strikes /= 9lives. if bersker uses ninelives it should be 9consecutive arrows, also its only a game). okay if broken phantasm caladbolg hits berserker it cost him a life, kansho and bakuya overedge combo can kill him 2+ times. trace caliburn and hit kills him 7times. plus unlimited blade works' weapon attacks berserker MIGHT have lost. i know archer can use it in fate but he didnt use it.
SealingMaster 3 years ago
SealingMaster, Archer did use UBW on Berserker in Fate Route. And he killed Berserker 5 times, not 2.
Also, the Noble Phantasm that Berserker used was Twelve Trials, not Nine Lives.
Twelve Trials are based off of Hercules' 12trials given by Goddess Hera. That gave Berserker 11 extra more lives.
Nine Lives, the other Noble Phantasm, is what he used to kill Hydra, the nine headed snake, with his bow. He show 9 arrows at once to shoot down all of Hydra's head.
hp0706 3 years ago
no he didnt even the author said they added that technique to the berserker fight of the anime. >.>
SealingMaster 3 years ago
Alright, I guess Archer didn't use UBW against Berserker. I just checked in the game and didn't see any sign of UBW... although he indirectly used it (that every weapons of his come from UBW, even when he is tracing them).
Anyway, Archer still cannot defeat Berserker even if he did use it because as Nasu said, UBW is just a mere nuisance for Servents who have mastered in one weapon. So, UBW is truly effective only in Army vs Army type battles(ex. Gilgamesh).
hp0706 3 years ago
Unless if Archer was to attack Ilya directly with his weapons(which he obviously would never do) and win the battle the "easy way".
hp0706 3 years ago
yep that shows archer didnt become kiritsugu(if u read fate/zero damn he is bad*ss)
SealingMaster 3 years ago
like i said it depends if archer traced caliburn and stab berserker through the stomach that would cost him 7lives. fire 1 caladbolg takes a life from him, use overedge takes 2 lives, add UBW = dead berserker. losing sanity is a huge disadvantage since u cant use complex NPs in exchange for overpowering any in non NP battles.
SealingMaster 3 years ago
=.= OMFG please....berserker has nine lives but due to the nature of his Servant Class he can't use it. BUT the technique is demonstrated by Shirou through tracing!
RaineSeras 3 years ago
berserker has 12 lives, for the 12 labours of hercules, im not sure on this myself, its a little sketchy but i think when shirou creates berserkers lives he only produces 9 from limitation.
Lackeira 3 years ago
Both wrong.
Nine Lives is a bow and arrow set that is Berserker's most powerful weapon, which he used to slay the Hydra and its countless heads. Or rather, it's his skill with the bow and arrow, the technique itself, which was later adapted into use with other weapons. However, since he was Mad Enchanced, he lacked the function to use it properly.
In Heaven's Feel, Shirou recreates Berserker's sword along with the Nine Lives ability: hence the bombardment of attacks akin to killing the Hydra.
Terralventhe 3 years ago
Although, reading Raine's comment more clearly, I'd say it's just Lackeira that's wrong. Sorry, Raine.
Terralventhe 3 years ago
Yeh well in this case i said i wasn't sure, so i wasn't wrong because i didn't state anything in the first place, to chicken shit to give me your aim to properly argue this out or what, youd didnt replay to the rest of the stuff i said so i guess you admit defeat
Lackeira 3 years ago
Dun underestimate an Otaku's knowledge ^^. I do my homework and research as a huge fan, ya know!
RaineSeras 3 years ago
i think wat he meant by nine lives is the technique (attack) used by shirou
74ribs 3 years ago
if u mean what i said about Berserker i didnt mean nine lives bladeworks. Hercules has a bow that was given to him as a reward for completing one of his 12 tasks and it is named nine lives, but because of his mad enhancement he doesnt have the motor skills required to use it.
ketuekigami 3 years ago
NOOB, he did NOT use UBW in Fate Route. Do Your Homework before making statements like that!
RaineSeras 3 years ago
lol.
Ilya's Castle, right before he died in Fate. He took about five of Berserker's lives with UBW.
agesboy 3 years ago
your wrong.. he didn't use it on fate, only in the anime though
experienced5 3 years ago
Just because it wasn't overtly shown does not mean it wasn't used.
agesboy 3 years ago
You guys are gettgin crazily confused, if Archer does realit marble then the ranks of the weapons are minus one rank, but Shirous version is flawless, AKA he creates the the copies better than the original "there is no rule that says i cannot make my swords stronger gllgamesh"
Lackeira 3 years ago
Um, dude.
Archer and Shirou are the same person, hence their reality marble is the same.
And besides his quote was "There is no rules that says copies cannot defeat the original."
It just so happens that Gilgamesh cannot use his weapons to their fullest since he is only an owner. So really, if Archer fought Gilgamesh, Archer would have won. That's why Archer told Shirou, his past self, "Only you can defeat Gilgamesh".
shabalabadingdong 3 years ago
Dont think ive played through FSN and not discovered that... I never said they wasnt the same person in originality, but technicaly it even says in the game they are two different physical people, hence why the shirou in UBW vowed to never become like Archer (in thought pattern wise atleast) and thus he wont, making him a different person physically, hence why both can exist at the same time. Shirou vowed to stick to what Archer originally beleived in and never regret what he did.
Lackeira 3 years ago
Oh and btw i know gilgamesh cant use them at their full potential but it makes no difference because they can still own mostly anyone just by projecting them. Also Shirous reality marble is different because they reflect on each's personality, not to mention shirou has a different reality marble chant. Shirous reality marble isnt a factory how Archers is described, hence why his version has no cogs, (aka it isnt a desolate lonely place to him just for creating weapons)
Lackeira 3 years ago
Whatever. It just doesn't make sense that Shirou's reality marble would be better than Archer when Archer is stronger and is used to using it.
shabalabadingdong 3 years ago
well logically it doesnt, but anime doesnt have to make sense, but im sure the concept lies in the sense that shirous ideal is what made him stronger
Lackeira 3 years ago
Except there's a major flaw in everything you've been saying up until now. That being the fact of Archer's Reality Marble IS the exact same as Shirou's in every shape and form. The scenery might be different, but it's still the same. Why? Because Archer obtained UBW before his death - while he was pursuing the exact same lifestyle that Shirou himself intends on following.
Not only that, but if he'd not been without a Master, and already beaten up from fighting Lancer and Shirou..
Terralventhe 3 years ago
..Then Archer would have kicked Gilgamesh's ass just as easily, if not more easily than Shirou did. Shirou's replicas are all of the same rank as Archer's, dropped down a single rank. The only reason Shirou and Archer are superior to Gilgamesh in combat is due to the fact that they can access their weapons faster and counter them, on account of Gilgamesh having to draw his out of the Gates of Babylon, as opposed to UBW having all the weapons layed out for the wielder to take and use on the spot.
Terralventhe 3 years ago
I can flip that coin right back at you actually, theres no flaws in what ive been saying because you are wrong in the aspect your using. Archers and shirous reality marbles are entirely diffferent, reason being, their lifestyles were NOT exactly the same, for one thing illya for example dieing different in his past and if factually his greatest regret. Shirou on the other hand accepted her death as part of the war, where as illya died a year after in Archers route which in itself proves they dif
Lackeira 3 years ago
What your misunderstanding is that they were originally the same people but from the moment Archer of the end of the holy grail war their lives changed dependant on what happened around them. Like archer says they both has the same starting point but their lives turned into like a crossroads after UBW. Also Archer could have killed gilgamesh just as easy your right but, the point i was making was Archer wasn't as strong as shirou is in UBW that early. His power came over time, shirous came from.
Lackeira 3 years ago
*continued* The understanding that he knew his own potential by seeing Archer and knew that thats what he could become right at that time. And obviously Archer was weakened etc, thats a given but to even fight your future self in anyway is a disadvantage to the extreme.
Lackeira 3 years ago
BZZT! Wrong-o! Their lifestyles were identical. Out of all the paths in Fate/Stay Night, the Fate path - the one that was the canon, official, ending, is the one where Shirou's path was closest to being that of Archer's. UBW is also almost as close, the only difference being what happened after the war - however, both Reality Marbles are still one and the same in their nature and what they do. There is no changing what they do, even if the appearance changes to reflect their hearts.
Terralventhe 3 years ago
Furthermore, Ilya dies anyway. In all paths, regardless of events, Ilya will die. In UBW she dies a bit earlier and never gets to know Shirou, but that doesn't change the fact that he regrets being unable to save her, just as Archer does.
What you are assuming is that just because they lived different lives, their ability is different in the process, whereas the fact is that the sole reason Shirou can perform UBW in the second route is BECAUSE he knew he could do it from seeing Archer.
Terralventhe 3 years ago
Again, what you are assuming here is that just because the Shirou of then and the Shirou of later (Archer) see things just a tiny bit differently, then their power changes also. Well, again, you're wrong. The ability, the Reality Marble known as UBW, is the same regardless, as it reflects on the very nature of Shirou and Archer, not their ideals; the embodiment of a person who lived his entire life as a tool, or a weapon for a single cause.
What you also fail to realize is that even though he..
Terralventhe 3 years ago
..wound up hating himself over it, Archer never once strayed from his ideal regardless, even if it meant doing hypocritical things as a byproduct.
Archer even admits that he agrees with Shirou's way of thinking. He's just a bit less merciless about it. They're both pacifists by nature, and they both wish for everyone to be happy. They both know they'll fight if they need to, but Archer is different because he chooses to nip problems in the bud instead.
That is not a big enough difference to..
Terralventhe 3 years ago
..change anything other than their outlook on life. Which, I'm repeating now for the third time, just so as to make sure it gets through to you, does NOT. I repeat again, it does NOT change the way the Reality Marble functions.
Unlimited Blade Works replicates any weapon at a glance, and drops it down a rank. Shirou admits that the weapons are trifling copies. Nasu himself has backed the information up.
You. Are. Wrong.
Terralventhe 3 years ago
Theres nothing else to say, your opinion is flawed, your using wikipedia, which i can tell from how your replying as a basis for your arguement, and ive seen every wiki page for FSN, alot of stuff is incorrect. I dunno where you got it in your head their reality marbles are the same, the point im making is by the time Shirou in UBW gets to the point Archers at, he will be stronger, the circulation doesnt repeat like your suposing. Have you got aim, trust me your wrong, and ill prove it.
Lackeira 3 years ago
Your using alot of assumptions as well, Nasu did not confirm that information up whatsoever either. I never in the first place said it changes the reality marbles function, ofcourse it works the same, i said Shirous is more powerful, your assuming Archer has already gone through what shirou is experiencing in UBW, like you said Archer resembled shirou mostly from Fate. Hence why the Shirou in UBW CAN and IS more powerful maybe if i drill this into your head far enough you will understand.
Lackeira 3 years ago
Another point is that i dont know how familar you are with FSN obviously not much, but each FSN route is the three stages of life, the childhood (retaining belief in the dream-FATE) Teenager (trying to grasp both dream and both realistic at the same time- UBW)
Adulthood - (sacrificing your dream for another, utter realisation of the impossible). With this in mind its also been debated that in itself serves as proof of Shirou in UBW being stronger than either of the other two. lets stop spamming
Lackeira 3 years ago
Actually, I've played through F/SN back and forth several times already, and read some of the translations from Nasu's sourcebooks.
So no, I don't think I'm assuming when I tell you that the Reality Marble's ability is still the same no matter what happens in the individual's life. It doesn't get 'stronger' or 'weaker' in any way other than how much the individual believes that the sword they recreated is a 100% replica. Something neither has a problem with at that point. So get over it.
Terralventhe 3 years ago
theres nothing to get over moron, ive read the original concepts by typemoon for FSN, alot of their designs came close to tsukihimes, in their originalities etc, and i assure you Archer is not stronger than Shirou, because Shirou from UBW is not the same person how do you not get this, i know hey are past and future seleves, but their enitities are seperate... They can become different people, Shirou can become stronger than Archer, Archer can get stronger to, but the Archer is from Fate.
Lackeira 3 years ago
I understand perfectly well that the individual persona is a seperate person, on account of them leading different lives post-Grail War, as I have pointed out before.
What you seem to be refusing to acknowledge is the fact that UBW doesn't change in the slightest despite that; namely because you've convinced yourself that different personality = MOAR POWAH despite the fact that the ability is entirely based on an individual's perception and conviction of how perfect the copied weapon is.
Terralventhe 3 years ago
In that regards, Archer is more powerful than Shirou during the Grail War and its events, regardless of the route. The reason for this is that Shirou, despite having absorbed some of Archer's skill hasn't got the experience and mastery that Archer has had over years of fighting - something that Archer points out, and Shirou himself admits that he still isn't as good as Archer was. Maybe AFTER the Grail War, but not during it.
Even in Heaven's Feel, having Archer's arm, he still wasn't as good.
Terralventhe 3 years ago
It is VERY subjective to which scenario of Shirou/Archer is the strongest.
But what I can confirm is that Shirou traced a caliburn which could kill 6 or 7 Lives of Berserker in the Fate Scenario(depending on Anime or Visual Novel)
However, Shirou killed Berserker 12 TIMES with the use of Nine Lives Blade Works in Heaven's Feel. But, Berserker's divinity was lowered, blind and wasn't as strong as the other versions.
I'm just voicing my opinions and not stating any facts, pls dun flame me ^^
RaineSeras 3 years ago
Nobody's gonna flame ya. Well, Lackeira might, since all he seems capable of doing is repeating the same argument with nothing to back it up, calling people names, and screaming " WHY DON'T YOU GET IT?! WHY DON'T YOU AGREE WITH MEEEE?!?!"
But yeah, in terms of being powerful, UBW and Heaven's Feel Shirou are subjective. In UBW he absorbs some of the skill, but not all of it, while in HF he gains all of the power, but it's too much for his body to handle and slowly starts killing him.
Terralventhe 3 years ago
Phew....glad I ain't making enemies man. I just wanna share my opinion with fans of the game/storyline.
Archer = SUPER GAR, my brother who's not an anime fan still imitates his movements and loves watching the Unlimited Blade Works scene from the Anime and BMW
RaineSeras 3 years ago
lol.... well the other guy is an ignorant prick who can pull his head out of his ass for long enough to understand hes wrong, and just reiterating the same things over and over like a broken record, nones going to flame you but he flamed me when his arguement is wrong, but ignore him because he doesnt know how take take being wrong and resorts to basic insults, when he is. But your right about what you said anyways.
Lackeira 3 years ago
That's odd.. everything you just described as my behavior is.. exactly what you're doing. Amazing.
Terralventhe 3 years ago
Yeh whatever you say, your opinion doesn't mean jack shit to me anymore. I've played this game more than enough times, and have talked with the people who are currently translating HF route, 'typemoon' and they agree with me based on their perceptions of reading the original japanese of FSN, and they translate the dam thing, so i think i know who i agree with. Rather than a guy like you who sems to be best mates with Nasu *sarcasm* in case you didn't catch it.
Lackeira 3 years ago
wats GAR? i keep seeing those 3 letters around fate vids -_-
74ribs 3 years ago
Me flame? rofl you flamed me you ignorant prick. Go back to 4chan where you belong, broken record. Better yet, tear the swastika and moustache off... If you took the time to actually read any of what ive said, your the one repeating yourself, your wrong, and you obviously can't deal with it. I mean even the last thing you argued contradicted most of what youve said. If they are different people Shirou has the potential to become stronger than Archer. Also shirous swords arent minus ranked in UBW
Lackeira 3 years ago
Give me your aim... so we stop spamming this comment board.
Lackeira 3 years ago
simple archer didnt use unlimited blade works against berserker.(but then berserker couldnt use ninelives so who knows what happens to a sane heracles vs faker with unlimited blade works)
SealingMaster 3 years ago
well i wasn't too surprise when berserker defeated archer since t berserker is Hercules after all. But i had a feeling archer wasn't giving his all since he was only using one arm to fight while unlimited blade works was unleashed. I think He could've have beat berseker with two arms weilding the swords. Guess the creators of the anime didn't want archer to win. Well could/ve let him battle shiro and show shiro how to use unlimited blade works.
thunder2rain 3 years ago
His other arm was injured. And Heracles isn't all that. After all, he's just cheating. Archer killed Heracles SIX times.
shabalabadingdong 3 years ago
Berserker is actually THE strongest servant, his stats are the highest and God Hand gives him the advantage he needs over other servants who's NP can kill in one shot.
Also Archer is a counter guardian meaning he's stronger than an average servant but no matter how strong he is Berserker is part god and lived during the time of mythical beasts so he's in another liege. And if Hercules was summoned as another class without his mad enhancement Archer might not have even killed him once.
ketuekigami 3 years ago
Actually, Saber is the strongest if she has a proper Master.
Unless she or any other servant besides Archer fights Gilgamesh. Gilgamesh would be the strongest, stats don't really matter at all.
God Hand huh? An imitation of Caliburn killed Heracles SEVEN times which makes God Hand kinda useless in the face of someone much stronger.
And I don't think Heracles can dodge an onslaught of swords even if he was in another class. So Heracles would die at least once against Archer.
shabalabadingdong 3 years ago
Even under Rins control Saber is weaker than Berserker. And i know Gil is the strongest, he even proved that by killing Berserker in UBW, i was referring to the legitimate servants in Heavens Feel 5.
Um do you know how Shirou trances? he doesnt make imitations he reproduces the actual sword with all its abilities and Caliburn is more powerful than Excalibur. and Saber was going to die if Shirou didnt help.
actually his agility is an A so dodging an onslaught of swords wouldnt be impossible.
ketuekigami 3 years ago
Caliburn is less powerful than Excalibur...
I don't know where you got this from.
Projecting swords decreases its rank by one, you know. Saber had no energy left, so even her Excalibur would do nothing, so Shirou had to help. If Saber had all of her energy, her Excalibur would kill Berserker in one shot.
Gilgamesh isn't all that strong. The only thing is his Noble Phantasms.
If Heracles was in another class, his Agility would be B. It's A because of his madness ability as a berserker.
shabalabadingdong 3 years ago
And Projection is an illusion from the mind made real. So it's not the actual sword.
If it was, you'd expect it not to break. But it does when it's done incorrectly. So it's an imitation with the same abilities.
Saber under Rin is much stronger than Berserker. Having an A rank attack means her attacks will hurt, and she's a small target. Plus, when she had Shirou as a master, they fought in the cemetery and Saber had the advantage. Having Rin as a master is overkill.
Stats don't matter.
shabalabadingdong 3 years ago
Even as an imitation with the same abilities it holds the same destructive power just slightly less.
Sabers stats are still weaker than Berserkers even under Rin and Sakuras control, i think your forgetting that Illya is as good if not a better magus then Rin.
And Saber was able too keep up in the cemetery because Berserker wasnt able to get even ground because of all the obstetrical which Saber also used for footing.
ketuekigami 3 years ago
In terms of full out attack, Berserker is stronger. But Saber is smart enough to plan her attacks, unlike Berserker who has no sanity.
Fighting in the cemetery is one of Saber's plans, and its something Berserker wouldn't think about.
Being the best in brute strong doesn't mean victory. Same for stats, which is pretty insignificant, if you see what actually happened in each fight.
shabalabadingdong 3 years ago
Berserker was dominating Saber in ever battle including the cometary, Saber couldnt get an attack in.
Stats are very important and he also has abilities beyond just brute strength. Saber cannot outwit Berserker because in the end their battles will come down to fighting ability. Saber cant use a strategy because Berserker can see right through it with his eyes of the mind. Sanity doesnt matter when his instincts tell him the best course of action to take.
ketuekigami 3 years ago
Berserker was dominating Saber in the cemetary? You should go play the UBW arc and watch it again. Saber had the advantage. Had she have a proper master, she would have probably killed Berserker once.Berserker lost his balance and Saber would have slashed his head, but Archer shot his kaladobolg.
And Berserker's "Mind Eye" only detects danger, not some plan his enemy has come up with. Same for Saber. He only detects immediate danger, such as a kaladobolg coming straight for his head.
shabalabadingdong 3 years ago
i think u should play it again, Saber couldnt attack and risk getting hit cuz one blow from Berserker can kill her thats why all she did way dodge. even if she killed him once his autoregeneration would have kicked in and he would have killed her since she wouldnt expect it.
yes it is a hightend sense of danger and with it he can sense the danger that is brougt from anything Saber does and react to it.
but its hard to argue with a Saber fanboy who dosnt know the straight of the other servants.
ketuekigami 3 years ago
Excalibur is more powerful in magical energy release but caliburn is a more destructive sword in terms of brute force which is why Excalibur is ranked as a higher NP.
it does decrease its rank but it still holds all of its original abilities. But even the magical release from Excalibur wouldnt kill him 12 times.
I know Gil has weak stats but all he needs are his NP to be the strongest.
thats true but if he was another class he could use nine lives and he used that bow in life to slay the Hydra.
ketuekigami 3 years ago
Sure, if Heracles was another class, but that never happens. We can't count "What-ifs" here.
Excalibur probably wouldn't be able to kill Heracles 12 times, but maybe at least 8 times. But we don't know that. I think she can with a proper master.
Anyways, Gil has similar stats to Saber without a proper master, except for having higher Luck and NP. If stats mattered, Gilgamesh should have won, but he didn't.
Well, Saber having Avalon would make her the strongest anyways.
shabalabadingdong 3 years ago
actually it can happen since Hercules can be any class besides Caster and Assassin. But then this whole argument is a what if since Saber will never fight Berserker at full strength.
It probably can kill him if Rin is Sabers master but he wount just let it happen, he has his eyes of the mind which will tell him if a situation is dangerous and he has fast enough reflexes to get out of the way.
Avalon wouldnt maker her the strongest since it allows no offensive capabilities when used.
ketuekigami 3 years ago
Offensive capabilities wouldn't matter if nothing can touch you... -_-
Especially if you can just rush up and Excalibur him to death.
And Berserker's mind eye only detects immediate danger. Everything else is lost because of his Madness.
And besides, Berserker won't get out of the way if Ilya is in danger. He'd take it head on.
Oh, and the VN states that not even Berserker can stop Saber if she has a proper master. (The part where Rin became Saber's master)
shabalabadingdong 3 years ago
ur assuming that Saber can just run up and "Excalibur him to death". dude she isnt that fast or are you completely underestimating Berserkers speed.
and all he need is his mind of the eye to give him an edge in a sword battle. Sabers instincs are as strong but that will only make it an even match.
um it does not say that anywhere. and i think u should look at this before continuing ur argument, i posted it on the comment section of ur profile.
ketuekigami 3 years ago
stats are very important but i never said they determine the outcome of a match, the servants respective abilities also play a big role but if the stats are overwhelming in difference then the battle can pretty much be decided unless an overwhelming NP is used.
And if Gil fought seriously Saber would never have a chance at winning even under Rins control. you do realize that Gil never fought seriously and if he does hes the most powerful servant and can even beat Arc at 30% power.
ketuekigami 3 years ago
He went serious with his Enuma Elish and he still lost. Avalon > Everything.
If stats mattered, Rider couldn't have defeated Dark Saber's Excalibur but she did. I don't know how a Rho Aius can help Rider anyways.
Plus, Berserker wouldn't have been overwhelmed by Dark Saber. But what do ya know, Dark Saber dominated.
shabalabadingdong 3 years ago