Antifa London - BBC

[bigollameo]

Solidarity from United States!

[clmac915]

Thats not antifa, thats the UAF

[shinobi38]

@gorfaf88 I agree that there are problems with multi-culturalism, that is to say mainstream (leftist multi-culralism), however my problems with this would be quite different than yours and again to do with class divison and hierarchy.

[gorfaf88]

@shinobi38 i think that multiculturalisme will accentuate class division, because opening frontiers and destroying different cultures by mixing them is the main goals of Liberal/capitalistic trusts. Thus we will have a greater number of rootless slaves with a few rich leaders, and no middle classes. that'ts wat they call tecnocracy

[shinobi38]

@gorfaf88 I'm not at all convinced by your 'sympathy' for the working-class, you are a Nationalist and presumably a National Socialist and it was those liberals who aided your past dictators such as Hitler and Mussolini in gaining power when they were weakened and needed assistance in maintaining ruling-class domination. If you for the working-class you would support the workers movement, instead of the ruling-class movement. Patriotism, Nationalism- these identify more with the rich- obvious.

[gorfaf88]

@shinobi38 "workers movement" and "syndicates" are today sold out to the liberals, because they defend the suppression of frontiers and the mass regularisation of clandestines (you couldn't be less Liberal!!!!). They do'nt give a shit about the people's concerns anymore. They just worry about "antifascism" or blocking any kind of change or progress in the country. I speak about France, i don't know how it is in england. Here, the workers are mostly in the National Front.

[shinobi38]

@gorfaf88 I really don't think your politics is based in reality at all. Btw I notice you have 88 in your name. The mainstream 'worker's movement' has sold out to the liberals but there is a more coherent and effective militant and left libertarian movement whose politcs and praxis are much, much better. I still don't agree with your little critique of those movements though.

[gorfaf88]

@shinobi38 I chose my pseudo name when i was 16, and i can't change it. I don't regret it. We all have our ways of provoking the system we hate. some people turn anarchists, other turn skinheads, but they really are fighting the same ennemy, liberalism and thechnical globalisation. As i said, i don't know how things are going in england (socially speaking) but in France it is that way. It is a reality i live up with everyday. No jobs, no freedom of speech, hypocrisy and overpopulation.

[happylampshademaker]

Are you sure that this is ANTIFA and not Unite Against Whitey, Hope Not Soap or the Socialist Wankers Party?

[veego]

Antifa?? Yeah right. No self-respecting anti-nazi would go near the fucking UAF.

[xxxKINGFROGxxx]

may 1st 2010 london

election meltdown.

[xxxKINGFROGxxx]

i think more people are coming out to protests in the last year.

[ThesirHector]

Liberal fucks only yelling at fascist wont make em dissapear

[KNTFM]

Fuck the Nazis!!!

[oneforengland]

What a bunch of losers. Where are these so called "working class warriors" of antifa then? Grow up and smell the coffee, this country is turning into a warzone anyway, corrupt bankers control our government and immigrants roam our streets, theres far more important things to worry about than NG on question time, he made himself look an idiot anyway.

Autonomous Nationalists England!

[shinobi38]

Hahaha what the fuck is so Autonomous or Working Class about Nationalism!?

[gorfaf88]

@shinobi38 its absolutely autonomous in its organisation and working class in its composition. most nationalists i know are young factory workers, students, etc, they don't belong to any organisation but they are militant wherever they can. Our concerts are always banned by the autorityesn, and we don't have financial help from the gouvernment. Even tho "everyone" hates us and is against us, our movements are constably on the rise. You have youre "autonomy" right here.

[shinobi38]

@gorfaf88 Thats bullshit. Autonomy means individuality, Nationalism is all about control and scapegoating and the national myth and it's an ideology that uses the working-class and benefits the rich. The whole idea of the Nation is rubbish anyway because there is no one ethnic group within a nation, it's an artificial construct, created and imposed on society by the ruling class. Immigrants are blamed to take the heat off the ruling class- who are the real parasites.

[gorfaf88]

@shinobi38 On the contrary, the rulling upper class, the leaders of trusts, hate the idea of nations and ethnies. they want to tear all these limits down to impose a kind of globalised commonwealth, that reduces humans to the state of uniformed ants, without identity or valours to distinguish one another. World trade is the first responsible for the mass immigration and the slow dissolution of european identity inside this gigantic melting pot. Globalisation = slavery

[shinobi38]

@gorfaf88 The leaders of trusts? WTF are you on about now? The media, who work for the ruling class scapegoats asylum seekers on a daily basis because they want the finger pointed away from them- thats a blatant fact and they exagerate immigration. They don't tell people that usually migration and death rate cancel out immigration and that even if immigration was a problem the proper use of property ownership would help. Think about homelessness and rich property ownership and empty buildings.

[gorfaf88]

@shinobi38 the problem is that you left wingers only consider the world with the social side of it (inequality, rich & poor etc), but there are other factors. Extra european immigration is very dangerous because its like importing cultures that are radically opposed to our conceptions and traditions. Whereas those immigrants have the highest birth rate and tend to stick with theyr culture. I think the media's scapegoats are rather the white low class folks and the nationalist movements.

[shinobi38]

@gorfaf88 No, the ruling class keeps nationalist movements in reserve to use as a paramilitary force when there is a serious threat to them from a possible revolution. This has happened many times in many different countries throughout the world, including in Germany and Italy during the rise of Fascism. 'Extra european immigration' is something that is exaggerated by your friends and colleagues in the mainstream press to didvide and rule the working-class.

[gorfaf88]

@shinobi38 yeah, 15 million muslims ruling the streets of France and setting my city on fire is "exagerated". And also, its completely false that we are used by the rulling class. Are concerts are never permitted, we barely have the right to ONE demonstration per year (with 1000 cops surrounding US, not the antifas). And the guys who write books against us or speak against us on TV are rich people and apostles of capitalism and globalisation. Opening the frontiers is a lliberal dream.

[shinobi38]

@shinobi38 The leaders of trusts? WTF are you on about now? The media, who work for the ruling class scapegoats asylum seekers on a daily basis because they want the finger pointed away from them- thats a blatant fact and exagerate immigration. What they don't tell people is that usually migration and death rate cancel out immigration and that even if immigration was a problem the proper use of property ownership would help. Think how many people are homeless and how but property is wasted.

[london36neverforget]

there was a small group of us there that day, come on, lets get some more Autonomous anti fa's on the streets!

[xxxKINGFROGxxx]

@london36neverforget may 1st 2010 london

election meltdown.

[shinobi38]

I didn't see any antifa in that vid, just UAF idiots. Antifa are an autonomous organisation , they just happen to believe in real anti-fascism.

[xxxKINGFROGxxx]

@shinobi38 there was a few, but no banners or masks.

[antifascistas68]

the british antifascist movement is ridiculous!

[MrDiggersam]

This is not antifa! this is the UAF middle class losers

[bengalen99]

Its not a anti-white organisation. its a organisation against right wing/ Nazism and fascism! Its a organisation who is against the capitalist and nazi scum!

[bengalen99]

No they arent fascists you dumbass

[Kabro1887]

just can't compare it to antifa germany.

[MrIKILLFASCISTS]

or russia, englands antifascist movement is full of middle class student wankers. the "UAF" are rats.

[xxxKINGFROGxxx]

@MrIKILLFASCISTS but UAF and Antifa are two different things and shouldn't compare them.

However across Europe there are many militant neo-nazi groups/hooligans who attack alot of other social groups like students/punks which in turn encourages a militant defensive reaction.

At the moment the militant far right in the UK is very small.

[MrIKILLFASCISTS]

I didn't compare the AFA with UAF from my background that would be a mortal sin!!! ROFL ;D

[MrIKILLFASCISTS]

lol at the "socialist worker" more like socialist surrender.

[xxxKINGFROGxxx]

@MrIKILLFASCISTS I was there taking the piss out of the SWP, they ruin every march/protest by handing out their placards with their logos.

[salguerito2h]

Solidarity from spain

[xxxKINGFROGxxx]

@salguerito2h Muchos gracias! NO PARASAN!

[King123Gbg]

Solidarity from Sweden

[SGESupporter92]

Solidarity from Germany!