Versions of the Qur'an?

[Lizzio1980]

Old bibical scriptures found in jerusalem, what were written by james ''jesus'' brother, says that jesus was not god nor was he crusified.

[Scripturian]

@Lizzio1980 That is so wrong I think it just killed an archeologist.

[Lizzio1980]

by order of the first Caliph Abu Bakr suggested by his future successor Umar. Hafsa(peace be upon them), Muhammad's widow and Umar's daughter, was entrusted with that Quran text after the second Caliph Umar died(peace be upon them). When Uthman, the third Caliph, started noticing slight differences in the Arabic dialect; he requested Hafsa to allow him to use the Qur’an text in her possession to be set as the standard dialect, (THIS IS PART 3 SO IT COMES AFTER THE SECOND MESSAGE I POSTED)

[Wadhato1]

Peace,

I see WESTERNERS completely bewildered by the QUR'AN. This is ALWAYS THE CASE. Hehehe! What they don't seem to understand (GRASP) is that the Qur'an is a RECITATION! It's not the WRITTEN word that's da QUR'AN. IT IS THE RECITED WORD. The word "QUR'AN" means "RECITATION".

NEW PUBLICATIONS of the Qur'an ARE ALWAYS CHECKED not by other Quranic COPIES but by MEMORIZERS if the Qur'an. These memorizers are called "HAFAIS/HUFATH" or rather KEEPERS of the Qur'an.

[87Bjay]

Your are a Idoit you stupid brat, get you facts right before you talk. Firstly the true Quran is written in Arabic if I wrote something in Italian and got it translated into english will it be 100% the same? How about I tudor you on Islam and the Quran I charge $60 us an hr seems like you need one your recording LMAOF.......lol your a joke.

[pappookanghi]

As I did not use the spellcheck on what I wrote please ignore the grammatical and spelling mistakes. Also please start reading my comments from the earliest that I posted. I myself got confused when I started reading the top one first :)

[pappookanghi]

I am also interested in learning more about Bible not for finding faults in it but to really understand whats the idea behind the different versions and how do Christians resolve the differences therein, if there are any. May ALLAH guide us both to the truth. Amen

[pappookanghi]

I do not want to direct you to the myriad of articles that are there on the internet outlining what I said above, but would just urge you to Google Books and search for the Encyclopedia of the Holy Qur'An, as out of the two authors is a non-Muslim. You should read atlas from page 219 to 231. you will begin to really understand the whole idea.

[pappookanghi]

I am pretty sure that your quest for the right information and the truth will enable you to separate the correct from the incorrect and truth from falsehood.

I also want to mention here that I am not a scholar for these issues. I have stated here what I have found from my search and I am satisfied with it.

[pappookanghi]

All these men were extra cautious in this regard and knew that the will be answerable to ALLAH if they showed even an iota of carelessness. Not even an ordinary Muslim can even think taking the Quran near fire, what to say about burning so many copies. I hope you are understanding what I am trying to explain here. I hope now you understand what standardization means.

[pappookanghi]

When Hazrat Abubakr ordered the collection of verses it was not at all for the reason that he did not know the Quran, or when Hazrat Uthman ordered burning of the other copies of the Quran, except the one collected by Hazrat Zaid (ra) on the orders of Hazrat Abubakr, Hazrat Uthman was trying to impose one VERSION of the Quran. My brother, its not at all like that. If you will read the history of Islam, I am pretty sure that you will understand these men more correctly and clearly.

[pappookanghi]

In the last year of his life, Angel Gabriel (as) the whole Quran was recited twice, so that its completion can be authenticated and SEALED.

It is also very important to note here that, most of the close companions of the Prophet (saw) were present with him in that year and it would only be considered a false statement (or lack of understanding of logic) that those companions were unaware of the completion of the Quran.

[pappookanghi]

So this should clarify at least two misconceptions of a bipartisan person, as I believe, you are. Firstly, the order of the Chapters and verses in the Quran were not arranged by the Prophet (saw) but by ALLAh. They were recited by Angel Gabriel (as) to the Prophet (saw). Secondly, and important for your argument, the Prophet used to recite the whole Quran in the month of fasting after Angel Gabriel (as), the carrier of the Quran from ALLAH.

[pappookanghi]

And at night recite the Quran in special prayers called Taraweeh. In Taraweeh, the Quran is recited (without looking in the book, by a Hafiz, a person who memorizes the whole Quran).

[pappookanghi]

After the war of Yamama, in which many Muslim learners and reciters of the Quran were martyred, Hazrat Umar (ra), approached Hazrat Abubakr (you read bakr as baker two to three times) and insisted that the Quran be collected in one place and be preserved. At this point I will tell you why Muslims believe that the Quran is preserved in its pristine form.

I believe that you also know that there is an Islamic month of fasting called Ramadhan. In this month Muslims fast from sunrise to sunset.

[pappookanghi]

At the time of revelation of the Quran, there were many dialects and a slight change in pronunciation, would change the meaning of the whole verse. That was the fear showed by Hazrat Hudhaifa bin Al-Yaman. As you have put the argument to learn the facts, I assume that you already know the difference between the collection and collation of the Quran.

[pappookanghi]

You even pronounced Uthman wrongly, but it was so wrong that i do not even know how to write that.

Now I invite you to think about all those non-Arabs came into the fold of Islam, learnt Arabic and tried to read the Quran. This was one group. But I think this was less of a problem than Arabs who had entirely different dialects.

If you may do some research on the internet about the Arabic language, who may be able to appraise the richness of the language.

[pappookanghi]

I will not be able to correctly pronounce Latin words, even it someone transliterates it in my native language.

Some of the words/names you mispronounced:

You pronounced: Baker

Correct: Bakr

You pronounced: Kitab

Correct: It should be Khat'tab, but English language does not have the sound which is at the beginning of the name.

You pronounced: Tabeet

Correct: It is Thabit. once again, the English language does not have the sound which is at the beginning of the name.

[pappookanghi]

The text that you were reading contained many Arabic words in it, including Arabic names. For me, you were entirely unable to pronoun them correctly. It will be rather closer to truth if I say that you pronounced them incorrectly. At more than one places you even fumbled with the proper pronunciation. Now go to an Arabic newspaper website and try to read some Arabic there. You will not be able to do it, just as I cant read Latin, what to say about reading it correctly.

[pappookanghi]

I will try to clarify some things that you have said in your video.

Quite a few points have been made clear by other brothers in the earlier posts. I am not going to touch upon them. Nonetheless, I will emphasize on one thing. You claimed that error in recitation, logically means error in the text itself. I invite you to see your video again. Watch it ten times and I think and you will understand the point I am trying to make.

[pappookanghi]

Dear Scripturian,

First and foremost: I am ALHAMDULILLAH a Muslim and believe in divinity of all the books sent by ALLAH including the Torah and the Bible in their original form. I believe in them because ALLAH commands me so in the Quran itself. Secondly, you are the first person I have come across who, in my opinion, has not made it a matter of personal ego and not even put the whole thing in derogatory tone. I appreciate your interest in knowing the truth, whatever it may be.

[244681]

salam alalaikum

here are some contradictions and myths in the bible.

1. book of isaiah ch:34 v.7 is talking about unicorn. now how can bible say that unicorn exist, isn't it just a myth? pls explain.

2. how many fighting men were found in judah? 500,000 (2 samuel 24:9) or 470,000 (1 chronicles 21:5) ?

3. how old was ahaziah when he began to rule over the jerusalem? twenty-two (2 king 8:26) or forty-two ( 2 chronicles 22:2)

here are some error or contradictions in bible, plz answer

[omarshakeer1]

ok then so tell me how u can belive in the bible over the quran come on everyone knows the bible has to many errors the bible contradicts itself you couldnt find no errors in the quran so your trying to find errors before it was written whats wromg with you look at your own bible if you really want to know the truth its jus madnesss sorry mate use ur common sense.

[Scripturian]

Maybe you could list a contradiction in the Bible? I'd be glad to do a video on it.

[JackSparrowDepp]

@Scripturian A list of 2000 or more contardictions hahahahaha

[omarshakeer1]

3;40 errors in the RECITATION thats exactly whats said not errors in the quran its the words of god so i doubt any errors will be there mate?

[Scripturian]

Key word: errors. If there were errors in recitation, then that means that when it was written down there is a possibility it wasn't transmitted accurately.

[omarshakeer1]

brother there is no such thing as versions of the quran. you see this is the amazing thing about it even if we wer 2 burn all the qurans in the world we still have people who know it off by heart and am not talkin about scholars just iam talkin about normal ppl even know it all of by heart so thnx 2 god we can never loose the quran as it reamisn in our hearts...........

[Scripturian]

Sure, but we wouldn't have any hard copies of the Qur'an to compare the memorizations against... I think that would be pretty futile.

[nashst3r]

Hey buddy. Errors in the recitation of the Quran is different than the statement the Quran contained an error. People were pronouncing the letters the wrong way (ie. short sounding vowels were pronounced longer etc) and the Scholar had picked up that people had the difficulty in reading it thus introduced what we know today as the standardized markings to help with pronunciation.

[Scripturian]

Okay, but that's not what the hadith said, if I'm reading it right. '"Hudhaifa was afraid of their (the people of Sham and Iraq) differences in the recitation of the Qur'an, so he said to 'Uthman, "O chief of the Believers! Save this nation before they differ about the Book (Quran) as Jews and the Christians did before."' -Vol. 6, Book 1, No. 510.

It's quite obvious that there were differences in the Qur'an that were significant.

[Lizzio1980]

@Scripturian Muslims believe that the Qur’an was repeatedly revealed from Allah(swt) to Muhammad(pbuh) verbally through the angel Jibrīl (Gabriel) over a period of approximately twenty-three years, beginning in 610 CE, when he was forty, and concluding in 632 CE, the year of his death. Followers of Islam further believe that the Qur’an was memorized, recited and written down by Muhammad's (pbuh) companions after every revelation dictated by Muhammad(peace be upon them).

[Lizzio1980]

@Scripturian Most of Muhammad's tens of thousands of companions(peace be upon them), called Sahabas, learned the Qur’an by heart, repeatedly recited in front of Muhammad(pbuh) for his approval or the approval of other Sahabas. Muslim tradition agrees that although the Qur’an was authentically memorized completely by tens of thousands verbally, the Qur’an was still established textually into a single book form shortly after Muhammad's(pbuh) death

[Lizzio1980]

@Scripturian the Quraish dialect aka Fus'ha (Standard Arabic). Before returning that Qur'an text to Hafsa; Uthman immediately made several thousands of copies of Abu Bakar's Qur’anic compilation and ordered all other texts to be burned. This process of formalization of the orally transmitted text to Abu Bakar's Qur'anic text is known as the "Uthmanic recension".The present form of the Qur’an text is accepted by most scholars as the original version compiled by Abu Bakr. Peace be upon all

[fatimanazeer]

If you are sincere, learn from the learned. Please youtube "How the Holy Quran was compiled - By Hamza Yusuf " He is one of the most widely followed scholars of Islam in the States. He covers all your points, which can be easily explained.

[Scripturian]

I'll definitely do that. Thanks. :)