Op Mic Check youtubedotcom/watch?v=rNAhn9SwbvM Shedding light on the corruption in recent months, and Introducing an Idea, Its gearing up for 2012 elections, spread the truth.
Obama has been an (absolute) extension of the previous administration..., Even after the bad intelligence & 1.2 million deaths.., The obama administration "left the *same* Bush players (operators) in the field... According to the PBS Frontline special, Domestically the tax payers have no clue what provisions homeland security, the pentagon, have made for themselves...
OK Cenk your talking about it - your telling a bit of the truth - Good Job! Now read 10,000 pages of history, Howard Zinn, William Blum Killing Hope: U. S. Military and CIA Interventions 1945 to the present - and then maybe you can help saving us - and slow down in your rush to cheer interventionism by a country that should be on parole for doing so
This is how it always ends with fools on the internet; Personal attacks and clearly made up things when their argument is destroyed. When you slap libertards in the face with facts they don’t answer they attack you personally. “But I FEEL like they are mistreated”….. 3…. 3 cases of mistreatment of Gitmo detainees found by an independent investigation. “derp"
Hahaha you deflect and avoid responding to any of my arguments, since you can't stand that I use facts and evidence whilst you as a violence-glorifying savage far-right extremist has to use nonsensical idiocy, irrelevant statements and fantasy to bring forth your point.
That you then go on to try insult me with "libtard" is typical uneducated idiotic far-right Americans, that's the only thing they know in their black-and-white simplified world, you don't know anything else.
@underbjorn You wouldn’t even know why libertard is used instead of liberal. Libitards are people who believe they are liberal but have no idea what true libertarianism stand for. To a libertard such as yourself and young-turds it simply means anything not American or Republican. That our efforts for world stability are the cause for world instability and that all domestic issues can be solved by government. The opposite of a true libertarian movement.
@underbjorn I bet you go to community college and an old bearded guy who smokes weed thought you that. Sorry to tell you that they are not two different political ideals and “Liberal” was just an attempt to separate American libertarians from Europeans. I hope you go read up on this stuff because I don’t get paid to teach you guys/kids. NEXT!!!
Community college? Sorry, your experience is irrelevant to me.
"“Liberal” was just an attempt to separate American libertarians from Europeans."
What+ xD Dumbfuck, "liberal" is the general term used worldwide outside the U.S for people subscribing to liberalism. Libertarianism is quite unique a term for Americans, the proper term here is neoliberal.
You really have absolutely no clue about political and ideological history, not strange since you never went to university.
I hope somebody is paying you to fill up with nonsense and pretension or trolling, otherwise you are a really sad case of lack of basic education. And I'm not even talking doctorate level sociology or social anthropology nor political theory, areas which you most probably never have been in touch with.
i am talking about basic, elementary, political foundation. And on this simple level, you start with fucking up.
And you for osmeone believe governemnt should do anything since you are hailing state over laws and procedures in the Guantanamo case.
You are the one who think the government should be arbitrary and supreme instead of laws and ethics.
Again it turns, the far-right fascists and fundamentalists are as usual the largest hypocrits. not so strange since most of their followers never had any kind of education.
Well Obama has all those Tyrannical Powers that Bush brought in and he's adding to them so no shouting and screaming from all those who bounced on the Dixie Chicks when your front door gets caved in and the men in black storm your house and throw your kids to the floor because you mentioned at work or church that This Government Needs Overthrowing!!!
Hope so, but it migh cost you. Look no farther than what the corrupt did to Jesus. Environmentalist get the sh!t side of the stick all the time on this issue, always being murdered for doing whats right. Are we going let them destroy our planet? Are we going to let them bully us? 2%, two percent of the world's population. Not so scary, is it?
Well, President Obama is a little bit of a pus$y. No offense. Look at JFK, if you want to step on the toes of a corrupted, gangster insutution like the CIA, you have to be prepared for the consequences. All you guys are a lot of talk, b/c if you want to do GOOD by the people, real constructive plans, real good things, you have to put your life down first. To all you haters! Whos first? I am sure most of you are no different than President Obama on this. Will you stand up for whats right? Hope so
Those people who voted for Obama instead of Hillary Clinton should hang themselves. Not only did they elect inexperienced person do clean up Republican(s) mess, but also a coward. I am pretty sure Hillary is going, "OF COUUUUUUUURSEEE!"
@bornbillsmith I should have been more clearer, my comment was in regards to her being elected as president....nothing to do with CIA. I do agree though she and many other democrats probably approve of the way CIA is currently doing business. Also, it will take many years to undo Republican mess, not one leadership. Obama is clearly not that leadership.
@bornbillsmith Who told you the state department has to ok CIA actions? you think hillary has to okay everything the CIA does?? that is flatly untrue. The CIA is an independent government agency. Your just talking out your ass.
@bornbillsmith Who oversee's the CIA? This is the one that caught my eye. I'm too lazy so if I missed something lemme know. this is what it says.
Internally, the CIA Office of Inspector General performs independent audits, inspections, investigations, and reviews of CIA programs and operations, and seeks to detect and deter fraud, waste, abuse, and mismanagement
It doesnt say sec of state has to ok anything. It says the NSC, those u mentioned, provide "guidance"
@Stingerbillion you are right. It was stupid of us to fall for this hope and change bullshit. Liberals didn't vet Obama, and only recently are we discovering his ties to banks and big business. He WAS inexperienced. he might be smart, but he was inexperienced. Don't be disappointed in Obama. be disappointed in yourselves. me included
Don't say that Stinger, no need for vast generalizations, all national populations can be duly categorized in political parties, allegiances and factions. Those are the proper enteties to deal with.
German Jews won't be held directly responsible for the 1933 election it goes, :P
But lack of education or backwardsness and narrowmindedness, often in times of financial crisis, will make it incredibly easy for fringe elements to seem unproportionally large.
@underbjorn Well if i understand your context correctly, lol, i will say it's all an excuse for whatever people do and whom they vote for. How long are we going to blame voters lack of judgement based on education we have or how informed they are. How long? What will it take for people to wake up (and i am not even referring to crazies and Independents)?
Hmm true, you got a point. There are certain factors, but the socioeconomic crisis of f.e interwar Germany, or presentday Gaza electing Hamas, is incomparable to Americans voting for religious fundamentalists and far-right extremists, warmongering fascists.
Not you, but just look at any TYT video and any European who doesn't have the experience I have with dealing with American far-right extremists would just be stunned and ask if it was some kind of parody.
Just look at this idiot I try to have a debate with here, impossible to ask even for the slightest faint coherence and consistency, a constant reptition of the same old rants and complete lack of knowledge, instead I get to hear irrelevant bollocks over and over.
@underbjorn Now you know what i face everyday when i talk to people like them. It's really frustrating with the lack of knowledge they carry. In fact, i don't even respond much unless if i am really bored or have intelligent challenger.
Yea I know mate, =/ I get a daily taste of it on Youtube but it can't be compared to your irl experience, and quite frankly, I do have a hard time imagining such a situation over here in the general public.
All countries have far-right extremists who use nothing but their guns and bibles, but containing them...
@Stingerbillion I didn't vote for him either because on principle I don't vote.
i won't vote for someone just because they are the lesser of two evils but I would have voted for Obama if I had to vote. because I am scared of Palin.
@Stingerbillion No one knew that Obama was going to back off and please Republicans instead of standing up to his commitments. Clinton herself is aware of what goes on. The past is gone. Now Ron Paul might bring the change the citizens look for by easing off the government's control. Both Obama and him are highly educated, but Ron Paul seems like he can stick true to his word and not keep changing.
@TheAstonMartian I will agree that Paul, unlike Obama, will stick to his guns instead of cave to either side party demands. I am skeptical he will change much, but we'll see if he gets elected. He puts Obama to shame....in fact, i think Paul is more liberal than Obama. Examples: legalizing drugs, troops coming home, no more wars, he's even open to gay marriages, etc. Just because Paul says lesser government doesn't mean it will actually take place....it will be harder in that sense.
@Stingerbillion True. If he can at least be true to his words, then I think he can do more than Palin ever promised. I believe that he can at least stop these unnecessary spendings and focus on America. Obama is trying too hard and is more of a diplomat than a president. His policies keep changing and he seems to be glued to the media.
@TheAstonMartian I agree. In spending regards, we do need it in short term in order to get this country moving again. Government is the spender of last resort with economy the way it is. However, once everything is running smoothly, spending can and does need to transition out.
@Stingerbillion Yeah, but who's to say what is good and what is bad. If you look at celebrities, there are no bad publicities at times. Charlie Sheen gets high, talks shit about his producers, and suddenly people praise him for sticking it to the man. Rebecca Black comes up with a music which is auto-tuned and people flame her, but she still gets millions of views. That my friend is society. We put our attention where we get value. If we try to do change, then we have to let go of our identity.
@Stingerbillion It depends though. I don't think sacrifice to the point of communism is the answer. Everyone wants to be wealthy, and contrast is an amazing opportunity for people to thrive and run the economy. I also agree that more and more people want to attain peace now and the whole materialistic aspect of life isn't as dominant as it once was.
@TheAstonMartian Bornbillsmith? Stingerbillion? Heck what does it take to get 11 thumbs up these day? TheAstonMartian is more logical, intelligent, thoughtful, political mind who doesn't shy away because "Pallin is scary" and is not naive to think Hillary would resign if she disapproved of Obama. AstonMartian wrote "It depends though. I don't think sacrifice to the point of communism is the answer.". Got to love a moderate thinking guy who can compromise.
the CIA thing is just the Obama's way of saying i'll look into it, but keep it as is, because folks this is war, we tortured in WWI, we tortured in WWII, we tortured in the cold war, we tortured even in the revolutionary war, only difference between then and now is the advancement of media information peeping thier nose into a razorblade carver
1. 1998, Brooksley Born ( white woman ), Head of Commodities of Futures Trading wanted to regulate the subprime & derivatives trading by the Wall Street banks.
2. 5 Jews who opposed & blocked her :-
Alan Greenspan, Arthur Levitt, Robert Rubin, Larry Summers, Timothy Geithner - all Jews
3. In 2008, these subprime mortgages exploded & thaousands of Americans were homeless.
4. PBS video, The Warning is on youtube. Footage of testimony to US Congress included.
I dont remember wanting anything from the CIA to change except the torture which he did change. Other than that my problem was with the military in Iraq not the Intelligence agency.
“Don’t put all your eggs in one basket” after all Obama is no less then a Politician, he talks good but his words don’t carry any weight to it. Next well give Ron Paul a try 4 2012
1. 1998, Brooksley Born ( white woman ), Head of Commodities of Futures Trading wanted to regulate the subprime & derivatives trading by the Wall Street banks.
2. 5 Jews who opposed & blocked her :-
Alan Greenspan, Arthur Levitt, Robert Rubin, Larry Summers, Timothy Geithner - all Jews
3. In 2008, these subprime mortgages exploded & thaousands of Americans were homeless.
4. PBS video, The Warning is on youtube. Footage of testimony to US Congress included.
Cenk lies, Obama could have closed Gitmo, the Republicans have only held the House for 8 months, before that the Democrats had the House, and the Senate. Enhanced interrogation was not torture.
I think Obama, being a left-wing extremist believed in all the things he promised, but when he got to The White House he had to finally grow up. The CIA is perfect the way it is, why change it.
When you borrow money from a bank, you become a servant of the bank.
When "your" govt. borrows money, created from NOTHING, from a private central bank, "your" govt becomes a servant to the private central bank.
Come on folks, wake the hell up! There is no Repubs vs Dems, there is only one puppet party working a sales teams for what ever the unelected central bankers want to finance into existence.
Follow the damn money trail to it's origin! Money rules the govt. fools!
Fact: Goldman Sachs was the single biggest monetary contributor to Obama's presidential campaign. That information was publicly available during the election. Where the hell was Uygur's breakdown of that?
What a sad, gullible fuck. Along with the rest of his moron Libtard followers. Totally conned into believing that a Banker-owned Puppet was going to "Change the game in Washington."
Change you can believe in (the banker's pockets.) Someone you know HAS been laid off due to his policies...
@thesparitan Oh come the fuck on... how is bringing up an important and relevant fact Trolling? Just because I choose to state it in an aggressive manner that gets the point across doesn't make it any less valid. But if the Truth = Trolling on this channel then so be it...
I saw that you blocked me, by the way. So much for "Caring about what other people have to say", you filthy Liberal hypocrite.
Our Government is full of evil scumbags, 9/11 WAS in fact an inside job. Grow up and accept it.
@thevoiceofreasonRx5 I just love the fact you believe in 9/11 and support Ron Paul, you people have become a stereotype. You even think that you might just be mentally ill?
@thesparitan Stereotypically non-gullible. If you had any grasp on basic physics you'd know for a fact that Jet Fuel is not capable of collapsing a building that was built to withstand temperatures far more extreme than it was faced with. Let alone Building 7...
Go ahead, try to disprove me. You won't, though, because you are a complete coward who has his head too far up the Government's ass to realize that Evil people can become a part of it. This official story IS a farce.
@thevoiceofreasonRx5 Your not worth it but I will refer you to a few videos. watch?v=uFJa9WUy5QI And then there is DprJones watch?v=v4dmRSiy_Ko and his other videos.
Look someone that can look at planes flying into buildings and then say "Well that was a controlled demolition" is a madman.
@thesparitan ...only problem is that his facts are way off in the first video. Steel requires a much higher temperature to weaken than he said it does, by at least 500 more degrees... and all of the evidence shows that the fires weren't burning at that high of a temperature nor were they exposed to enough of the structure to take it down.
Do your own research on this shit instead of letting someone else do it for you.
@thevoiceofreasonRx5 yes obama is a puppet....are you saying republicans are not? ron paul 2012....the last non puppet candidate i believe that is out there.
Since there is no proof bin laden was killed or for that fact ever captured by our military. That is a lie until proven the truth. Water boarding is more human than the treatment the muslim bastards give the infidels as the muslim clerics refer to us americans and pretty much anybody else that does not bow to the the f*cking bastrads.
He wasn't captured, he was shot at pointblank range. al-Qaida confirmed it, there's no reason to doubt he is dead unless for an idiotic conspiracy theorist. Do you deny the moon landing and holocaust as well?
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What does the Muslims give infidels...? Do all Muslims "give infidels" this? Do all Muslims need to be waterboarded?
What is the correlation between certain Muslim states doing something and American torturing people from other states than these?
1. 1998, Brooksley Born ( white woman ), Head of Commodities of Futures Trading wanted to regulate the subprime & derivatives trading by the Wall Street banks.
2. 5 Jews who opposed & blocked her :-
Alan Greenspan, Arthur Levitt, Robert Rubin, Larry Summers, Timothy Geithner - all Jews
3. In 2008, these subprime mortgages exploded & thousands of Americans were homeless.
4. PBS video, The Warning is on youtube. Footage of testimony to US Congress included.
Anyone who believes giving up these rights for any type of promised security doesnt understand the basic's of this nations constitution. Sadly your one of the people who have bought the war on terror propaganda hook, line, and sinker. Heres the question you should be asking your self, Why do these people want to hurt us? Its because our troops our on there land!!al qaeda leaders now have formed the new government in Libya. Hows that 4 government taking more rights for themselfs. Funding al qaeda
obama setup the public option for healthcare and you guys got all pissed off because FOX news told you it was OBAMACARE and it was socialism...if you want the politicians to dance better play them better music!! if you think anyone is pulling their strings other than the collective American people you are mistaken...We need to educate ourselves about the political situation only then will we get better results from our government. Stop falling for the corporate propaganda...which is everywhere..
@Quadraskill ... Yes at the expense of killing 1000's of other people's rights. The problem you idiots have is that you assume your position means you are"civilized" and just a better human being while you drink your tea with your pinky finger. I just present the real world and you scoff. You dummies cannot answer this MORAL question that if a terrorist is captured who we know or believe has information of an imminent bomb explosion that may kill 1000's, what would you do? Answer the question!
@bamboo4tameshigiri ... Of course you want me to shut up. You don't want to face facts. You want to think Bush is the devil and Obama and you are so civilized. But your view is easily dismantled by a simple basic question. What if a terrorist has information that will kill 1000's? You think telling him he has a right to remain silent and hand him a pencil neck laywer will make you feel better about yourself while 1000's of people's lives are about to be snuffed out? You failed the moral test!
@bamboo4tameshigiri ... WHat? So my point that 1000 American lives saved by forcing the scumbag terrorist to tell us where and when a bomb is set to go off means I am a sociopath? What kind of idiot logic is that? Wouldn't you be the sociopath for allowing the 1000 American to die in a bomb blast rather than making the terrorist unconfortbale? I's say it's you that is crazy! And a menace to society! This is why these kinds of things should be handled by real men not whimpy liberals!
@bamboo4tameshigiri ... What? I pointed out that waterboarding if used tobtain vital information that would save 1000's of lives is well worth it. You are so desperate to counter this you say it has to do with enjoyment? No my idiot friend. It's about weighing your valued rights for one terrerorist to those of 1000 people whose lives would be lost by this terrorist. Where I come from the terrorist so-called rights lose this test!
@aSingleDallasGuy That makes YOU the enemy. You have sunk below the level of that which you pretend to fight against. This conversation is over. I don't like sadistic sociopaths.
@bamboo4tameshigiri. Trust me pal if saving 1000's of lives at the expense of terrorists rights makes me YOUR enemy then I am proud to be so. Here you are giving this scenerio protecting the rights of a terrorists by providing US rights to a non-us citizen, giving him miranda rights and a lawayer. Meanwhile there is a bomb somewhere ready to explode. Your view? Oh well, his rights are more important than the 1000 people (men, women and children) about to die. It's you who has the immoral view!
@aSingleDallasGuy Listen buddy everyone knows that information obtained under interrogition doesnt amount to anything. Theres people who have been locked up in a hell on earth, guantanamo bay for almost ten years now. What if this was you? Ten years, no evidence, no crime, no charges, other than this so called crime of being a "terrorist". If their "terrorist" then they should see their day in court, with evidence and a charge of a crime.
@bobakpa21 "Everyone knows" "hell on earth" LMAO!!! Even liberal politicians who went to Gitmo couldn’t find anything wrong with how they are treated and actually said they are treated better than our US prisoners. Let me ask you a simple yes/no question. Do you feel that foreign persons caught in the act of plotting or committing terrorism should be tried under US law?
Are you kidding me? Kept in stress positions and cages in the sun is better than your prisoners?
Well, the U.S does treat even the most petty criminals like dogs so maybe these terrorists are treated 1% better with their daily torture and humiliation.
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Why shouldn't they be tried under U.S law when they're held by the U.S? If a country captures an American agen, should they try him under North Korean law then? Laws are there for being practiced within the jurisdiction idiot.
@underbjorn Are you kidding me? They are held in the SUN!!!! OH NOOOOOOO!! Did you bother to ask why, are the random pics without content enough to support your stupidity. They are held outside for two reasons. 1) Random search of quarters 2) recreational. God help our soul for the blatant mistreatment of these fine people (sarcasm for the less intelligent). U.S. citizen laws are reserved for U.S. citizens… as an enemy combatant they are held as and will be tried as enemy of the state, IDIOT!
Why are all warmongering uncivilized far-right extremists so uneducated? It's really annoying to always have to lower myself to their simplistic, uneducated points.
1. There are laws for the treatment of prisoners of war, mercenaries or foreign civilians.
2. Do you think it's just "under the sun" or constant exposure to heat in a crammed cage?
3. Why don't you hold regular prisoners outside? Do you think you'll find interesting stuff on people who are in constant isolation?
Okay uneducated, since you obviously have never been to school and have no idea of geopolitics, ideological history or political history, let me inform you that "enemy of the state" is a term used in countries like Nazi Germany and other far-right fascist dictatorships.
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A variant, "enemy of the people" was used to excuse concentration camps in the Soviet Union.
It is a term to demonize, dehumanize and excuse the most barbaric practices, as you prove yourself.
@underbjorn Because you lost the argument for "omg they are like, so mistreated and stuff" and "they should be treated like every other American" you will try to attack my education level? Predictable. If you want to draw some imaginary line to other organizations in history because of similar terminology then I can say you are akin to Nazi sympathizers because you’re trying to help these war criminals go free.
You really don't have an education so I can't say what level I am attacking. They are not "war criminals", George Bush's governemnt had war criminals. They are foreign nationals who commited criminal acts, nothing more.
The Nazi sympathizers are the far-right who support the concentration camp on Cuba, you and the rest of the xenophobic extremists.
@underbjorn “The ISAF announced on Saturday that a “combined Afghan and coalition security force” had killed “a key affiliate of the al Qaeda network during a security operation in Jalalabad district, Nangarhar province.” The deceased “insurgent leader” has been identified as a former Guantanamo detainee named Sabar Lal Melma." -and- Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and other conspirators held at Gitmo to be tried as war criminals with backing from the international community.
Where did you get that the international community will back them from being tried as war criminals?
The only war criminals here are those in George Bush's warmongering murderous cabinet.
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But how oculd you know, being a stupid redneck who has never gotten any education and thought that that you could deprive humans of basic rights, like Hitler did with the Jews.
@underbjorn If you didn't read the post on persons held at Gitmo being enemy combatants then STFU. If you don’t understand how that is relevant then go away and let grown folks talk.
So stupid, so stupid. There's no such thing as an "enemy combatant", that's just a term constructed by the war criminals under Bush to approve torture and inhumane treatment of abducted foreigners.
Your quote had nothing to do with this but with Khaleed Sheikh Mohammed's confession, that is completely irrelevant. It does in no way concern the terminology used by neither Nazis in history nor George Bush's war criminals 10 years ago to inhyumane treatment.
@underbjorn Enemy combatant is a term historically referring to members of the armed forces of the state with which another state is at war" way before Bush so,eehhhhhh WRONG! I bet you feel "so stupid" now huh? Nazi's used enemies of the state to refer to persons within the country (like Jews). If an al Qaeda sleeper became an American citizen and then attacked America then he would be an "enemy of the state" because that is the correct literal terminology, not because of ideology.
Haha, you are so fucking uneducated, so dumb, and you continue produly to seethe ignorance. xD
Dictatorial nations proclaim enemies of the state to override civilized democracies' control checks on the state from abusing it's power.
In civilized nations, not the U.S or Nazi Germany, people are tried, presumed innocent until proven guilty after a fair trial, and not generalized or excluded from basic procedures.
if you're at war, they are prisoners of war, not "enemy combatants".
@underbjorn They are incarcerated because they were enemy combatants… Is English your first language or am I speaking to someone who would have a hard time speaking in their own tongue?
@underbjorn To take a position of “U.S. went to war on bogus information and that makes them war criminals” is utter stupidity. Considering the information was provided by Iraqi informants and he did actually have the means to produce WMDs (Just not the way foreign intelligence said). It would akin to saying “America should have fought the war in Europe because intelligence on where the U2 rockets were shot from was wrong.” Saddam is dead and the world is a better place for it, live with it!
Haha you really are fucking stupid, Saddam is dead and the way he was killed was unjust. If the means justify the goals, there is no room for ethics and we should all be happy the Nazis purged the Jews, after all the goal was noble acc to them.
It's not utter stupidity because I base it on facts, I don't care who provided the intel, Powell chose to use it and is guilty for the war crime. The papers were from Niger btw, not Iraq, dumbfuck.
I produced answers to every single idiotic point you pathetically attempted to make, not my fault you try to impress me with "Saddam's dead live with it derp" like the mind of a 12-year old you seem to have and are utterly unable to respond properly since you can't find more material on Wikipedia to put in a context that seems to make sense.
You are wrong and it’s documented fact, they (Iraq/Saddam) had the means to produce WMD, the same thing UN inspectors were looking for. It takes a special kind of stupid like yourself to ignore facts because you want to hate the US and/or Bush so much. Go look in the mirror and reassess your life if you think America is the bad guys here.
@underbjorn Abandoned and destroyed are two different things IDIOT! Saddam himself said he was keeping those facilities intact to portray the image that he had active WMD (and it worked). He said this to an agent who all but lived with him while he was on trial. You can probably still find the 60 minute interview because it’s obvious you haven’t read the report.
Oh wow, one agent, which agent was that? How reliable was he? How do oyu know he didn't lie? For all i care, that agent provided just as false intel as everything else Bush acquired, since Bush's war criminal government was filled with incompetent corrupts who couldn't even get basic facts straight, like you idiot.
The fact still stands that he had no nuclear capabilities.
What is the problem with you getting this? Saddam had no WMDs And you continue to contest this? What an idiot
@underbjorn So now he is a conspirator of sorts even though you have no idea who he is or what he said? That sounds like a real argument to hang your hat on? To me and many others the ability and means to make Sarin is the same having it in a missile ready to go. Do you know what Sarin gas is? Do you know that it takes almost no time to make and that he had the weapon delivery system to use it? Or do you just drink stupid and spit dumb?
Do you know the difference between having something and not having something?
Or are you just proudly standing waving your flag saying "I am a stupid, idiotic American who confirm the stereotype everybody already knows"?
You have no idea how to make Sarin gas, do you seriosuly think you sound intelligent? If sarin gas has a 5-year life, what does 2003-1996 give you, idiot? 7 years, it would already be worthless and harmless.
"To me and many others the ability and means to make Sarin is the same having it in a missile ready to go."
that's like saying that Japan has nuclear weapons or that the U.S has huge arsenals of chemical and biological weapons themselves.
You are so stupid it's incredible, contradicting yourself in every post you produce, base it on the most contrafactual nonsense seen this day and yet continue. You really strife to make a giant embarrassment of yourself, don't you?
@underbjorn I know the difference between someone who has a gun with a full clip next to it and someone who is eating a sinkers…. Do you?
Japan doesn’t make weapon grade plutonium and STILL has international sanction on long range weapon systems. Also, if the UN wanted to inspect their facilities (like they have after the tsunami) they would let them because they have nothing to hide.
Now that your straw man is burning, got something better?
Wow, you replied to my analogy in full armour of seriousness.
That's the best you can muster, begin punching an imaginary strawman. I guess you have to, because you deflect and dodge all relevant points time and again.
But somebody who thinks that "enemy combatant" somehow is still in use, universally used and universally held equal to "unlawful combatant" and then thinks that Sarin gas can be active longer than their physical possibility period seriously isn't impressing.
@underbjorn You’re proving my point, Sarin gas is made when expected to be used. So facilities with the ability to make Sarin gas are as dangerous as a batch made last week. Remember that these places were the exact things the UN inspectors were looking for and why Saddam kept them from doing their job. If he didn’t gas his own people, invade Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, destroyed these facilities and let UN inspectors do their jobs he might still be alive to torture his people. If only right?
George Bush & co lied and waged an illegal war of aggression.
That Saddam tortured his citizens is highly irrelevant and hypocritical to be included by an American who stands for torture and brutal savagery himself in the very same discussion. Since you are suffering from some mental disorder, you probably don't even remember. Kind of tragic, and annoying.
And no, facilities with no material and abandoned are abandoned. They pose a threat to noone in the present, and any future action is highly hypothetical.
Again, Japan has nuclear weapons according to you.
Ofcourse such a stance is ridiculous and most people would agree that if you have a thing, you have it, and if you don't have it you don't.
But like most far-right extreme Americans, you live in a flawed fantasy world with no basis in reality.
@underbjorn “Japan has nuclear weapons according to you” I didn’t say that so why are you saying it? Oh, you have reading comprehension problems… got it. I can only respond to one of you idiots at a time, so please form a rational thought before you post, it will be much easier to educate you that way.
It's only me, I know you want it to seem like a line of people, but no, it's only me you have to respond to and your comprehension problems are extreme.
Now did you actually learn something about political ideology and existence of things or do you continue to live in your fantasy world?
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You said that if a country has the capability to get WMDs, you think they have it. This was your idiotic argument for the Iraq illegal war all the time, and now you exclude it from reason? Ofc.
@underbjorn So your rebuttal is “shit, I’ll ignore Kuwait and talk about Saudi because America was there and stemmed that incursion real quick. Then I’ll talk about unsubstantiated weapon charges against a previous administration deflecting from my bush-hate, but oh well, I’ll use it... Round it out with insults… and post” Original LOL!!!
Hahaha, no I'll talk about how you believed that Iraq invaded Saudi Arabia. That Iraq invaded Kuwait is incredibly irrelevant to the 2003 Iraq War and Iraqi WMDs, I couldn't have cared less if the U.S was there or not.
And your idiotic nonsense and contradictions continue. You are really thick to not get that there were no WMDs in Iraq in 2003. You think that liberalism=libertarianism, simply factually incorrect. You think that "enemy combatant" is a relevant term in 2011, your lack of knowledge of international law and convention, your nonsensical rationality and pretensions of treatment of prisoners, your repeated ignorance of all earlier mentioned.
@underbjorn 1) WMD production ability is just as dangerous (you still ignore this FACT!) 2) Liberalism in America was not and is not John Locke but a libertarian splinter as history and I describe 3) "Enemy combatant" is a correct term for the person originally referred to who was released and killed in combat. Just because Obama wants to politicize the term doesn’t mean it's not the correct terminology. (Personal insult blah blah blah).
1. WMD production capability is completely irrelevant and doesn't change the fact that Bush lied.
2. Haha, oh wow so you came to the conclusion that they aren't the same at the end? Good, you learn.
3. Wrong, "enemy combatant" has only a meaning in the U.S where it was used to describe terrorists with specifically al-Qaida links and give them a subhuman status. The correct term is "unlawful combatant".
Obama is a disastrous failure for not shutting down Gitmo concentration camp.
According to you, Japan has nuclear weapons, the end.
Your memory might be damaged, (Very probable), but if they have the capability (Japan can get nukes within a year) they de facto have it.
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Now, that's not what most people think, if you have it you have it and else you don't but since you subscribe to a special fantasy world, Japan has nuclear weapons.
And your analogy is the worst I've ever seen, and again utterly irrelevant. TThe U.S shoudl have fought the war because the location of rockets were wrong? Nonsensical, as one could expect from you, and again utterly irrelevant due to the fact that Saddam had no weapons, or capability of weapons, without proper knowledge.
The Bush war criminal cabinet had false knowledge, and if they were aware, their crime is even greater.
The world would be better without Bush and Dick Cheney.
Regarding "enemy combatant", there's the historical use that countries in the world know and there's the new construct that the U.S have come up with to excuse barbaric practices not applied on other prisoners.
Those two are distinct and separate, but ofc you wouldn't know, being an idiot.
@underbjorn One quick search shows that the term "enemy combatant' was around before 1942 when the Supreme Court clarified the term. Your OPINION on how they are treated has no relevance. I happen to believe that America treats prisoners of war better than they should with 3 meals a day, TV, video games, correspondence, air conditioned rooms, access and ability to practice religion. "Barbaric"? You have no idea what that means… IDIOT! (Name calling for the simpletons)
Hahaha, it's exactly the treatment of prisoners of war that's the relevant here idiot.
It goes against all conventions, and do you really think you give them video games and access?
Do you know I am talking about a maximum security facility? They haven o access and up until Obama's election, they were forced into crammed cages in open sun on kneeling positions for much of the day.
What you believe is irrelevant, you don't know much so what could you possible base belief on?
@underbjorn I want a reply on this topic from you after I post this list. No dodging and no deflecting like everyone else dose here. NATO, European Union, Australia, Canada, France, Germany, Ireland, Israel, Mexico, New Zealand and UK to name the most noteworthy. Even renowned Muslim scholar Yusuf al-Qaradawi denounced the attacks and the unprovoked killings of hundreds of civilians as a "heinous crime”. THAT!! International community, not you and 5 of your closest libertard friends.
@underbjorn On December 8, 2008, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and his four co-defendants told the judge that they wished to confess and plead guilty to all charges. You want a refund on your $2 community college degree yet? Libertards never quit making bad arguments though; I’m waiting for the inevitable ignoring of facts, personal attacks and deflection to another topic.
You really are a prime examples of how the far-right U.S idiot machine never stops. Stupid americans stereotype confirmed over and over. Where's the relevance of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed pleading guilty?
Oh, you didn't go to university so you don't know how to bring up vrelevant pieces, do you stupid?
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The infringement of human rights on those in Guantanamo Bay is incredible, it's a concentration camp and nobody there has been sentenced in a fair trial.
Since you lack education, you couldn't possibly know that George Bush and his other war criminals and officers waging illegal wars of aggression declared war on a non-state organization, per se against all neorealist theory and had to construct their own legitimizing ideas for that. The manipulated speech by Colin Powell in 7 hours to the UN General Assembly and lies about Saddam's WMDs was just one.
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The opening of a concenteration camp and torture was another.
@underbjorn Colin Powell himself said that he didn’t believe the reports of WMD and he had done extensive research before going before the UN. “7 hours”, making up things doesn’t make you look smart, just desperate. On top of that, all the things the UN inspectors were tasked to look for we found, including facilities with the ability to make WMDs within a short time. Once again your claims to higher education prove to be unfounded. So a POW camp and interrogation is new right? Grow up.
Why would obama change the chinese intelligence agency?
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Russelhumm2012 3 months ago
MATT DAMON: Whew!
dukenthaylor 5 months ago
they all BUZZ SHIT TALK.
DAIVIETSOS 5 months ago
Obama has been an (absolute) extension of the previous administration..., Even after the bad intelligence & 1.2 million deaths.., The obama administration "left the *same* Bush players (operators) in the field... According to the PBS Frontline special, Domestically the tax payers have no clue what provisions homeland security, the pentagon, have made for themselves...
HiRoader11 6 months ago
OK Cenk your talking about it - your telling a bit of the truth - Good Job! Now read 10,000 pages of history, Howard Zinn, William Blum Killing Hope: U. S. Military and CIA Interventions 1945 to the present - and then maybe you can help saving us - and slow down in your rush to cheer interventionism by a country that should be on parole for doing so
aligzanduh 6 months ago
This is how it always ends with fools on the internet; Personal attacks and clearly made up things when their argument is destroyed. When you slap libertards in the face with facts they don’t answer they attack you personally. “But I FEEL like they are mistreated”….. 3…. 3 cases of mistreatment of Gitmo detainees found by an independent investigation. “derp"
kuhioffxi 6 months ago
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underbjorn 6 months ago
@kuhioffxi ---
Hahaha you deflect and avoid responding to any of my arguments, since you can't stand that I use facts and evidence whilst you as a violence-glorifying savage far-right extremist has to use nonsensical idiocy, irrelevant statements and fantasy to bring forth your point.
That you then go on to try insult me with "libtard" is typical uneducated idiotic far-right Americans, that's the only thing they know in their black-and-white simplified world, you don't know anything else.
underbjorn 6 months ago
@underbjorn You wouldn’t even know why libertard is used instead of liberal. Libitards are people who believe they are liberal but have no idea what true libertarianism stand for. To a libertard such as yourself and young-turds it simply means anything not American or Republican. That our efforts for world stability are the cause for world instability and that all domestic issues can be solved by government. The opposite of a true libertarian movement.
kuhioffxi 6 months ago
@kuhioffxi ---
"Libitards are people who believe they are liberal but have no idea what true libertarianism stand for."
Hahahaha, xD What a stupid fuck, it turns out you didn't even learn basic political spectra facts in 6th grade.
Liberalism is not libertarianism, libertarianism is more like neoliberalism or classic liberalism.
If you are liberal you subscribe to some form of liberalism, not necessarily libertarianism.
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Wow...just wow, what a dumb fuck.
underbjorn 6 months ago
@underbjorn I bet you go to community college and an old bearded guy who smokes weed thought you that. Sorry to tell you that they are not two different political ideals and “Liberal” was just an attempt to separate American libertarians from Europeans. I hope you go read up on this stuff because I don’t get paid to teach you guys/kids. NEXT!!!
kuhioffxi 6 months ago
@kuhioffxi ---
Community college? Sorry, your experience is irrelevant to me.
"“Liberal” was just an attempt to separate American libertarians from Europeans."
What+ xD Dumbfuck, "liberal" is the general term used worldwide outside the U.S for people subscribing to liberalism. Libertarianism is quite unique a term for Americans, the proper term here is neoliberal.
You really have absolutely no clue about political and ideological history, not strange since you never went to university.
underbjorn 6 months ago
@kuhioffxi ---
"NEXT!!!"
I hope somebody is paying you to fill up with nonsense and pretension or trolling, otherwise you are a really sad case of lack of basic education. And I'm not even talking doctorate level sociology or social anthropology nor political theory, areas which you most probably never have been in touch with.
i am talking about basic, elementary, political foundation. And on this simple level, you start with fucking up.
Not really the best way to start.
underbjorn 6 months ago
@kuhioffxi ---
And you for osmeone believe governemnt should do anything since you are hailing state over laws and procedures in the Guantanamo case.
You are the one who think the government should be arbitrary and supreme instead of laws and ethics.
Again it turns, the far-right fascists and fundamentalists are as usual the largest hypocrits. not so strange since most of their followers never had any kind of education.
underbjorn 6 months ago
@kuhioffxi ---
"Independent investigation" is as independent as askign Saddam himself to investigate malpractice in his treatment of prisoners.
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Since you are an idiot and unable to think, I'll provide you with simple tools of analysis:
If the rules allow torture and the investigation finds torture, ofcourse it will not see any mistreatment.
This is what the Nazis and Red Cross discussed when they visited concentration camps.
The military courts are also akin to the Nazi People's Court.
underbjorn 6 months ago
Why would you think anything should be changed. .
But instead of telling us there wasn't any change please tell us what he is doing wrong.and what should be changed.
I didn't like Busch but that doesn't mean he was wrong with everthing he did.
We were attacked and when that happens countries are forced to take action to protect it's population.
Busch did that and Obama has continued those policy's as the threat to our country is still there.
bornbillsmith 6 months ago
Help my Barak Obama
cacaca99ful 6 months ago
Well Obama has all those Tyrannical Powers that Bush brought in and he's adding to them so no shouting and screaming from all those who bounced on the Dixie Chicks when your front door gets caved in and the men in black storm your house and throw your kids to the floor because you mentioned at work or church that This Government Needs Overthrowing!!!
jim1a2a 6 months ago
Hope so, but it migh cost you. Look no farther than what the corrupt did to Jesus. Environmentalist get the sh!t side of the stick all the time on this issue, always being murdered for doing whats right. Are we going let them destroy our planet? Are we going to let them bully us? 2%, two percent of the world's population. Not so scary, is it?
StarRosePink 6 months ago
Well, President Obama is a little bit of a pus$y. No offense. Look at JFK, if you want to step on the toes of a corrupted, gangster insutution like the CIA, you have to be prepared for the consequences. All you guys are a lot of talk, b/c if you want to do GOOD by the people, real constructive plans, real good things, you have to put your life down first. To all you haters! Whos first? I am sure most of you are no different than President Obama on this. Will you stand up for whats right? Hope so
StarRosePink 6 months ago
Those people who voted for Obama instead of Hillary Clinton should hang themselves. Not only did they elect inexperienced person do clean up Republican(s) mess, but also a coward. I am pretty sure Hillary is going, "OF COUUUUUUUURSEEE!"
Stingerbillion 6 months ago 7
@Stingerbillion You're ignorant.
Hillary Clnton is the secretary of state.
Don't you think she knows how the cia has been run.
If she didn"t approve what Obama has done don't you think she would have resigned.
In fact don't you think as Secretay of State she actually had more to do with how the cia is run then anyone else
as you should be aware the cia and the State departnent are linked.and if anything the State department has to O.K. actions taken by the cia.
bornbillsmith 6 months ago 10
@bornbillsmith I should have been more clearer, my comment was in regards to her being elected as president....nothing to do with CIA. I do agree though she and many other democrats probably approve of the way CIA is currently doing business. Also, it will take many years to undo Republican mess, not one leadership. Obama is clearly not that leadership.
Stingerbillion 6 months ago
@bornbillsmith Who told you the state department has to ok CIA actions? you think hillary has to okay everything the CIA does?? that is flatly untrue. The CIA is an independent government agency. Your just talking out your ass.
iowntwocats 6 months ago
@iowntwocats The state department don't have to approve the day to day running of of the cia but I stated that they re linked...
The state department makes foreign policy with approval of the President and oversee the carrying out of those policies. .
Yes the cia is independent but they carry out foreign policy not make it
So just using logic don't you see why the State department has to know what the CIA is doing as well as to at least to be in agreement with them.
bornbillsmith 6 months ago
@bornbillsmith No, I want evidence, not flimsy logic!
iowntwocats 6 months ago
@iowntwocats Go to the cia web site left hand corner click on (about cia) and then click on( faq)
and go to paragraph 10
I checked different places and then it occured to me the best place to get the information you want would be on the cia web page
In that paragraph it states The President Vice President The Secretary of State and The Secretary of Defence provides guidance and direction.
Read the entire paragraph and tell me if I'm right and tell me if I'm talking out of my ass.
bornbillsmith 6 months ago
@bornbillsmith Who oversee's the CIA? This is the one that caught my eye. I'm too lazy so if I missed something lemme know. this is what it says.
Internally, the CIA Office of Inspector General performs independent audits, inspections, investigations, and reviews of CIA programs and operations, and seeks to detect and deter fraud, waste, abuse, and mismanagement
It doesnt say sec of state has to ok anything. It says the NSC, those u mentioned, provide "guidance"
iowntwocats 6 months ago
@iowntwocats
So tell me what you think it means by guiodance and dfirection.
The fourth sentence mentions that the cia doesn't maker policy..
Iif they don't make policy and policy comes fron the State Department then wouldn't you say they have some form of control
I was responding to someone who indicated Hillary should have been elected
I was trying to say that she is in agreement with the way the CIA and if she were President the CIA would operate just the way it is doing now.
bornbillsmith 6 months ago
@Stingerbillion you are right. It was stupid of us to fall for this hope and change bullshit. Liberals didn't vet Obama, and only recently are we discovering his ties to banks and big business. He WAS inexperienced. he might be smart, but he was inexperienced. Don't be disappointed in Obama. be disappointed in yourselves. me included
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@iowntwocats I didn't vote for him, but you're right. We only get what we elect, so it's ultimately Americans fault.
Stingerbillion 6 months ago
@Stingerbillion ---
Don't say that Stinger, no need for vast generalizations, all national populations can be duly categorized in political parties, allegiances and factions. Those are the proper enteties to deal with.
German Jews won't be held directly responsible for the 1933 election it goes, :P
But lack of education or backwardsness and narrowmindedness, often in times of financial crisis, will make it incredibly easy for fringe elements to seem unproportionally large.
underbjorn 6 months ago
@underbjorn Well if i understand your context correctly, lol, i will say it's all an excuse for whatever people do and whom they vote for. How long are we going to blame voters lack of judgement based on education we have or how informed they are. How long? What will it take for people to wake up (and i am not even referring to crazies and Independents)?
Stingerbillion 6 months ago
@Stingerbillion ---
Hmm true, you got a point. There are certain factors, but the socioeconomic crisis of f.e interwar Germany, or presentday Gaza electing Hamas, is incomparable to Americans voting for religious fundamentalists and far-right extremists, warmongering fascists.
underbjorn 6 months ago
@underbjorn I agree, you're right.
Stingerbillion 6 months ago
@underbjorn You know the saying, "You are what you eat." Well its the same thing with electing leaders, we get what we vote for.
Stingerbillion 6 months ago
@Stingerbillion ---
Yea I think the reelection of George Bush in the eyes of the world confirms that, :P No offense to your personally ofc.
underbjorn 6 months ago
@underbjorn None taken, we are pretty dumb. LOL.
Stingerbillion 6 months ago
@Stingerbillion ---
Not you, but just look at any TYT video and any European who doesn't have the experience I have with dealing with American far-right extremists would just be stunned and ask if it was some kind of parody.
Just look at this idiot I try to have a debate with here, impossible to ask even for the slightest faint coherence and consistency, a constant reptition of the same old rants and complete lack of knowledge, instead I get to hear irrelevant bollocks over and over.
underbjorn 6 months ago
@underbjorn Now you know what i face everyday when i talk to people like them. It's really frustrating with the lack of knowledge they carry. In fact, i don't even respond much unless if i am really bored or have intelligent challenger.
Stingerbillion 6 months ago
@Stingerbillion ---
Yea I know mate, =/ I get a daily taste of it on Youtube but it can't be compared to your irl experience, and quite frankly, I do have a hard time imagining such a situation over here in the general public.
All countries have far-right extremists who use nothing but their guns and bibles, but containing them...
underbjorn 6 months ago
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Stingerbillion 6 months ago
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@Stingerbillion I know what you mean. Compared to US, those far-right extremists are much more open minded LOL
Stingerbillion 6 months ago
@Stingerbillion I didn't vote for him either because on principle I don't vote.
i won't vote for someone just because they are the lesser of two evils but I would have voted for Obama if I had to vote. because I am scared of Palin.
bornbillsmith 6 months ago
@Stingerbillion No one knew that Obama was going to back off and please Republicans instead of standing up to his commitments. Clinton herself is aware of what goes on. The past is gone. Now Ron Paul might bring the change the citizens look for by easing off the government's control. Both Obama and him are highly educated, but Ron Paul seems like he can stick true to his word and not keep changing.
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@TheAstonMartian I will agree that Paul, unlike Obama, will stick to his guns instead of cave to either side party demands. I am skeptical he will change much, but we'll see if he gets elected. He puts Obama to shame....in fact, i think Paul is more liberal than Obama. Examples: legalizing drugs, troops coming home, no more wars, he's even open to gay marriages, etc. Just because Paul says lesser government doesn't mean it will actually take place....it will be harder in that sense.
Stingerbillion 6 months ago
@Stingerbillion True. If he can at least be true to his words, then I think he can do more than Palin ever promised. I believe that he can at least stop these unnecessary spendings and focus on America. Obama is trying too hard and is more of a diplomat than a president. His policies keep changing and he seems to be glued to the media.
TheAstonMartian 6 months ago
@TheAstonMartian I agree. In spending regards, we do need it in short term in order to get this country moving again. Government is the spender of last resort with economy the way it is. However, once everything is running smoothly, spending can and does need to transition out.
Stingerbillion 6 months ago
@Stingerbillion Yeah, but who's to say what is good and what is bad. If you look at celebrities, there are no bad publicities at times. Charlie Sheen gets high, talks shit about his producers, and suddenly people praise him for sticking it to the man. Rebecca Black comes up with a music which is auto-tuned and people flame her, but she still gets millions of views. That my friend is society. We put our attention where we get value. If we try to do change, then we have to let go of our identity.
TheAstonMartian 6 months ago
@TheAstonMartian Sacrifice is needed in this country, which hardly anyone wants to do now. Unfortunately, that has become imbedded in our culture.
Stingerbillion 6 months ago
@Stingerbillion It depends though. I don't think sacrifice to the point of communism is the answer. Everyone wants to be wealthy, and contrast is an amazing opportunity for people to thrive and run the economy. I also agree that more and more people want to attain peace now and the whole materialistic aspect of life isn't as dominant as it once was.
TheAstonMartian 6 months ago
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11xzxzxz 6 months ago
@TheAstonMartian Bornbillsmith? Stingerbillion? Heck what does it take to get 11 thumbs up these day? TheAstonMartian is more logical, intelligent, thoughtful, political mind who doesn't shy away because "Pallin is scary" and is not naive to think Hillary would resign if she disapproved of Obama. AstonMartian wrote "It depends though. I don't think sacrifice to the point of communism is the answer.". Got to love a moderate thinking guy who can compromise.
11xzxzxz 6 months ago
@TheAstonMartian I agree, that's very true.
Stingerbillion 6 months ago
the CIA thing is just the Obama's way of saying i'll look into it, but keep it as is, because folks this is war, we tortured in WWI, we tortured in WWII, we tortured in the cold war, we tortured even in the revolutionary war, only difference between then and now is the advancement of media information peeping thier nose into a razorblade carver
DiamondChrome42 6 months ago
Obama equals Bush's third term
capucchan8 6 months ago
@capucchan8 We should have elected a democrat. Heh....
Stingerbillion 6 months ago
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Jew & Home foreclosures :-
1. 1998, Brooksley Born ( white woman ), Head of Commodities of Futures Trading wanted to regulate the subprime & derivatives trading by the Wall Street banks.
2. 5 Jews who opposed & blocked her :-
Alan Greenspan, Arthur Levitt, Robert Rubin, Larry Summers, Timothy Geithner - all Jews
3. In 2008, these subprime mortgages exploded & thaousands of Americans were homeless.
4. PBS video, The Warning is on youtube. Footage of testimony to US Congress included.
Stevie68000 6 months ago
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I'll enjoy those rebel monsters devouring each other !
I wish the US a successful internal rebellion similar as the one they supported in Libya !
Quierotortilla 6 months ago
Just goes to show that Obama is just Bush 2.0
Shonenut213 6 months ago
I dont remember wanting anything from the CIA to change except the torture which he did change. Other than that my problem was with the military in Iraq not the Intelligence agency.
Ivan951 6 months ago
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“Don’t put all your eggs in one basket” after all Obama is no less then a Politician, he talks good but his words don’t carry any weight to it. Next well give Ron Paul a try 4 2012
Naa2400 6 months ago
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Naa2400 6 months ago
All Americans going abroad should be subjected to interrogation people like McCain would remember, so they know what kind of world they rule.
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After all, "enhanced interrogation" (Electrocuting, rape, forced amputation, brutalizing) produces results and is completely acceptable. :)
When the U.S isn't a good example, just spews bullshit and contineus their barbaric infringements on human rights, why should anybody care.
underbjorn 6 months ago
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underbjorn 6 months ago
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Jew & Home foreclosures :-
1. 1998, Brooksley Born ( white woman ), Head of Commodities of Futures Trading wanted to regulate the subprime & derivatives trading by the Wall Street banks.
2. 5 Jews who opposed & blocked her :-
Alan Greenspan, Arthur Levitt, Robert Rubin, Larry Summers, Timothy Geithner - all Jews
3. In 2008, these subprime mortgages exploded & thaousands of Americans were homeless.
4. PBS video, The Warning is on youtube. Footage of testimony to US Congress included.
Stevie68000 6 months ago
these 2 guys are only bashing Obama because Obama is black
go2mikerenzi 6 months ago
Cenk lies, Obama could have closed Gitmo, the Republicans have only held the House for 8 months, before that the Democrats had the House, and the Senate. Enhanced interrogation was not torture.
I think Obama, being a left-wing extremist believed in all the things he promised, but when he got to The White House he had to finally grow up. The CIA is perfect the way it is, why change it.
go2mikerenzi 6 months ago
When you borrow money from a bank, you become a servant of the bank.
When "your" govt. borrows money, created from NOTHING, from a private central bank, "your" govt becomes a servant to the private central bank.
Come on folks, wake the hell up! There is no Repubs vs Dems, there is only one puppet party working a sales teams for what ever the unelected central bankers want to finance into existence.
Follow the damn money trail to it's origin! Money rules the govt. fools!
dlucas90 6 months ago
Fact: Goldman Sachs was the single biggest monetary contributor to Obama's presidential campaign. That information was publicly available during the election. Where the hell was Uygur's breakdown of that?
What a sad, gullible fuck. Along with the rest of his moron Libtard followers. Totally conned into believing that a Banker-owned Puppet was going to "Change the game in Washington."
Change you can believe in (the banker's pockets.) Someone you know HAS been laid off due to his policies...
thevoiceofreasonRx5 6 months ago
@thevoiceofreasonRx5 Wow you are becoming the new troll, interesting.
thesparitan 6 months ago in playlist More videos from TheYoungTurks
@thesparitan Oh come the fuck on... how is bringing up an important and relevant fact Trolling? Just because I choose to state it in an aggressive manner that gets the point across doesn't make it any less valid. But if the Truth = Trolling on this channel then so be it...
I saw that you blocked me, by the way. So much for "Caring about what other people have to say", you filthy Liberal hypocrite.
Our Government is full of evil scumbags, 9/11 WAS in fact an inside job. Grow up and accept it.
thevoiceofreasonRx5 6 months ago
@thevoiceofreasonRx5 I just love the fact you believe in 9/11 and support Ron Paul, you people have become a stereotype. You even think that you might just be mentally ill?
thesparitan 6 months ago
@thesparitan Stereotypically non-gullible. If you had any grasp on basic physics you'd know for a fact that Jet Fuel is not capable of collapsing a building that was built to withstand temperatures far more extreme than it was faced with. Let alone Building 7...
Go ahead, try to disprove me. You won't, though, because you are a complete coward who has his head too far up the Government's ass to realize that Evil people can become a part of it. This official story IS a farce.
Grow up you Child.
thevoiceofreasonRx5 6 months ago
@thevoiceofreasonRx5 Your not worth it but I will refer you to a few videos. watch?v=uFJa9WUy5QI And then there is DprJones watch?v=v4dmRSiy_Ko and his other videos.
Look someone that can look at planes flying into buildings and then say "Well that was a controlled demolition" is a madman.
thesparitan 6 months ago
@thesparitan ...only problem is that his facts are way off in the first video. Steel requires a much higher temperature to weaken than he said it does, by at least 500 more degrees... and all of the evidence shows that the fires weren't burning at that high of a temperature nor were they exposed to enough of the structure to take it down.
Do your own research on this shit instead of letting someone else do it for you.
thevoiceofreasonRx5 5 months ago
@thevoiceofreasonRx5 yes obama is a puppet....are you saying republicans are not? ron paul 2012....the last non puppet candidate i believe that is out there.
jallison79 6 months ago
@jallison79 Of course I'm not... both sides in their entirety are bought with the lone exception of Ron Paul.
thevoiceofreasonRx5 6 months ago
@psychoburgundy12 Bush is actually more intelligent.
rp1dmc 6 months ago
youtube.com/watch?v=Sou6e02BenU&feature=channel_video_title
another scandal
TheMidnightdrunk 6 months ago
Since there is no proof bin laden was killed or for that fact ever captured by our military. That is a lie until proven the truth. Water boarding is more human than the treatment the muslim bastards give the infidels as the muslim clerics refer to us americans and pretty much anybody else that does not bow to the the f*cking bastrads.
PatriotTexas 6 months ago
@PatriotTexas ---
He wasn't captured, he was shot at pointblank range. al-Qaida confirmed it, there's no reason to doubt he is dead unless for an idiotic conspiracy theorist. Do you deny the moon landing and holocaust as well?
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What does the Muslims give infidels...? Do all Muslims "give infidels" this? Do all Muslims need to be waterboarded?
What is the correlation between certain Muslim states doing something and American torturing people from other states than these?
underbjorn 6 months ago
@psychoburgundy12 More intelligent my my ass, obama couldn't outwit my dog. You really need to get a life. Sounds like your cracking up.
PatriotTexas 6 months ago
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Jew & Home foreclosures :-
1. 1998, Brooksley Born ( white woman ), Head of Commodities of Futures Trading wanted to regulate the subprime & derivatives trading by the Wall Street banks.
2. 5 Jews who opposed & blocked her :-
Alan Greenspan, Arthur Levitt, Robert Rubin, Larry Summers, Timothy Geithner - all Jews
3. In 2008, these subprime mortgages exploded & thousands of Americans were homeless.
4. PBS video, The Warning is on youtube. Footage of testimony to US Congress included.
Stevie68000 6 months ago
Anyone who believes giving up these rights for any type of promised security doesnt understand the basic's of this nations constitution. Sadly your one of the people who have bought the war on terror propaganda hook, line, and sinker. Heres the question you should be asking your self, Why do these people want to hurt us? Its because our troops our on there land!!al qaeda leaders now have formed the new government in Libya. Hows that 4 government taking more rights for themselfs. Funding al qaeda
bobakpa21 6 months ago
@bobakpa21 they should talk to us and dont call me buddy, friend, haha
josh1492 6 months ago
In consideration of Obama's tenure as president, I have to quote The Who's 1971 album, "Who's Next":
"Meet the new boss, SAME as the old boss. WON'T GET FOOLED AGAIN!"
Nerodz 6 months ago
obama setup the public option for healthcare and you guys got all pissed off because FOX news told you it was OBAMACARE and it was socialism...if you want the politicians to dance better play them better music!! if you think anyone is pulling their strings other than the collective American people you are mistaken...We need to educate ourselves about the political situation only then will we get better results from our government. Stop falling for the corporate propaganda...which is everywhere..
josh1492 6 months ago
Dear Obama. Watch TYT. Thank you.
TheNavigateur 6 months ago
obama wasted his key chance to change stuff I bet he did it on purpose
naym2011 6 months ago
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Stevie68000 6 months ago
@Quadraskill ... Yes at the expense of killing 1000's of other people's rights. The problem you idiots have is that you assume your position means you are"civilized" and just a better human being while you drink your tea with your pinky finger. I just present the real world and you scoff. You dummies cannot answer this MORAL question that if a terrorist is captured who we know or believe has information of an imminent bomb explosion that may kill 1000's, what would you do? Answer the question!
aSingleDallasGuy 6 months ago
@aSingleDallasGuy I would tell you to STFU for even considering such tactics. When you sink below the level of your enemy, YOU are the enemy.
bamboo4tameshigiri 6 months ago
@bamboo4tameshigiri ... Of course you want me to shut up. You don't want to face facts. You want to think Bush is the devil and Obama and you are so civilized. But your view is easily dismantled by a simple basic question. What if a terrorist has information that will kill 1000's? You think telling him he has a right to remain silent and hand him a pencil neck laywer will make you feel better about yourself while 1000's of people's lives are about to be snuffed out? You failed the moral test!
aSingleDallasGuy 6 months ago
@aSingleDallasGuy When you sink below the level of your enemy, YOU are the enemy.
bamboo4tameshigiri 6 months ago
@aSingleDallasGuy No, you just proved yourself a sociopath.
bamboo4tameshigiri 6 months ago
@bamboo4tameshigiri ... WHat? So my point that 1000 American lives saved by forcing the scumbag terrorist to tell us where and when a bomb is set to go off means I am a sociopath? What kind of idiot logic is that? Wouldn't you be the sociopath for allowing the 1000 American to die in a bomb blast rather than making the terrorist unconfortbale? I's say it's you that is crazy! And a menace to society! This is why these kinds of things should be handled by real men not whimpy liberals!
aSingleDallasGuy 6 months ago
@aSingleDallasGuy So, you enjoy torture. A sadistic sociopath, you are. I suppose you wish to be the one who executes such torture?
bamboo4tameshigiri 6 months ago
@bamboo4tameshigiri ... What? I pointed out that waterboarding if used tobtain vital information that would save 1000's of lives is well worth it. You are so desperate to counter this you say it has to do with enjoyment? No my idiot friend. It's about weighing your valued rights for one terrerorist to those of 1000 people whose lives would be lost by this terrorist. Where I come from the terrorist so-called rights lose this test!
aSingleDallasGuy 6 months ago
@aSingleDallasGuy That makes YOU the enemy. You have sunk below the level of that which you pretend to fight against. This conversation is over. I don't like sadistic sociopaths.
bamboo4tameshigiri 6 months ago
@bamboo4tameshigiri. Trust me pal if saving 1000's of lives at the expense of terrorists rights makes me YOUR enemy then I am proud to be so. Here you are giving this scenerio protecting the rights of a terrorists by providing US rights to a non-us citizen, giving him miranda rights and a lawayer. Meanwhile there is a bomb somewhere ready to explode. Your view? Oh well, his rights are more important than the 1000 people (men, women and children) about to die. It's you who has the immoral view!
aSingleDallasGuy 6 months ago
@aSingleDallasGuy Listen buddy everyone knows that information obtained under interrogition doesnt amount to anything. Theres people who have been locked up in a hell on earth, guantanamo bay for almost ten years now. What if this was you? Ten years, no evidence, no crime, no charges, other than this so called crime of being a "terrorist". If their "terrorist" then they should see their day in court, with evidence and a charge of a crime.
bobakpa21 6 months ago
@bobakpa21 "Everyone knows" "hell on earth" LMAO!!! Even liberal politicians who went to Gitmo couldn’t find anything wrong with how they are treated and actually said they are treated better than our US prisoners. Let me ask you a simple yes/no question. Do you feel that foreign persons caught in the act of plotting or committing terrorism should be tried under US law?
kuhioffxi 6 months ago
@kuhioffxi ---
Are you kidding me? Kept in stress positions and cages in the sun is better than your prisoners?
Well, the U.S does treat even the most petty criminals like dogs so maybe these terrorists are treated 1% better with their daily torture and humiliation.
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Why shouldn't they be tried under U.S law when they're held by the U.S? If a country captures an American agen, should they try him under North Korean law then? Laws are there for being practiced within the jurisdiction idiot.
underbjorn 6 months ago
@underbjorn Are you kidding me? They are held in the SUN!!!! OH NOOOOOOO!! Did you bother to ask why, are the random pics without content enough to support your stupidity. They are held outside for two reasons. 1) Random search of quarters 2) recreational. God help our soul for the blatant mistreatment of these fine people (sarcasm for the less intelligent). U.S. citizen laws are reserved for U.S. citizens… as an enemy combatant they are held as and will be tried as enemy of the state, IDIOT!
kuhioffxi 6 months ago
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underbjorn 6 months ago
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@kuhioffxi ---
Why are all warmongering uncivilized far-right extremists so uneducated? It's really annoying to always have to lower myself to their simplistic, uneducated points.
1. There are laws for the treatment of prisoners of war, mercenaries or foreign civilians.
2. Do you think it's just "under the sun" or constant exposure to heat in a crammed cage?
3. Why don't you hold regular prisoners outside? Do you think you'll find interesting stuff on people who are in constant isolation?
underbjorn 6 months ago
@kuhioffxi ---
Okay uneducated, since you obviously have never been to school and have no idea of geopolitics, ideological history or political history, let me inform you that "enemy of the state" is a term used in countries like Nazi Germany and other far-right fascist dictatorships.
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A variant, "enemy of the people" was used to excuse concentration camps in the Soviet Union.
It is a term to demonize, dehumanize and excuse the most barbaric practices, as you prove yourself.
underbjorn 6 months ago
@underbjorn Because you lost the argument for "omg they are like, so mistreated and stuff" and "they should be treated like every other American" you will try to attack my education level? Predictable. If you want to draw some imaginary line to other organizations in history because of similar terminology then I can say you are akin to Nazi sympathizers because you’re trying to help these war criminals go free.
kuhioffxi 6 months ago
@kuhioffxi ---
You really don't have an education so I can't say what level I am attacking. They are not "war criminals", George Bush's governemnt had war criminals. They are foreign nationals who commited criminal acts, nothing more.
The Nazi sympathizers are the far-right who support the concentration camp on Cuba, you and the rest of the xenophobic extremists.
underbjorn 6 months ago
@underbjorn “The ISAF announced on Saturday that a “combined Afghan and coalition security force” had killed “a key affiliate of the al Qaeda network during a security operation in Jalalabad district, Nangarhar province.” The deceased “insurgent leader” has been identified as a former Guantanamo detainee named Sabar Lal Melma." -and- Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and other conspirators held at Gitmo to be tried as war criminals with backing from the international community.
kuhioffxi 6 months ago
@kuhioffxi ---
Where did you get that the international community will back them from being tried as war criminals?
The only war criminals here are those in George Bush's warmongering murderous cabinet.
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But how oculd you know, being a stupid redneck who has never gotten any education and thought that that you could deprive humans of basic rights, like Hitler did with the Jews.
underbjorn 6 months ago
@underbjorn If you didn't read the post on persons held at Gitmo being enemy combatants then STFU. If you don’t understand how that is relevant then go away and let grown folks talk.
kuhioffxi 6 months ago
@kuhioffxi ---
So stupid, so stupid. There's no such thing as an "enemy combatant", that's just a term constructed by the war criminals under Bush to approve torture and inhumane treatment of abducted foreigners.
Your quote had nothing to do with this but with Khaleed Sheikh Mohammed's confession, that is completely irrelevant. It does in no way concern the terminology used by neither Nazis in history nor George Bush's war criminals 10 years ago to inhyumane treatment.
underbjorn 6 months ago
@underbjorn Enemy combatant is a term historically referring to members of the armed forces of the state with which another state is at war" way before Bush so,eehhhhhh WRONG! I bet you feel "so stupid" now huh? Nazi's used enemies of the state to refer to persons within the country (like Jews). If an al Qaeda sleeper became an American citizen and then attacked America then he would be an "enemy of the state" because that is the correct literal terminology, not because of ideology.
kuhioffxi 6 months ago
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underbjorn 6 months ago
@kuhioffxi ---
Haha, you are so fucking uneducated, so dumb, and you continue produly to seethe ignorance. xD
Dictatorial nations proclaim enemies of the state to override civilized democracies' control checks on the state from abusing it's power.
In civilized nations, not the U.S or Nazi Germany, people are tried, presumed innocent until proven guilty after a fair trial, and not generalized or excluded from basic procedures.
if you're at war, they are prisoners of war, not "enemy combatants".
underbjorn 6 months ago
@underbjorn They are incarcerated because they were enemy combatants… Is English your first language or am I speaking to someone who would have a hard time speaking in their own tongue?
kuhioffxi 6 months ago
@kuhioffxi ---
Haha I explain over and over why that's illegit and null and void, but you seem to be the one who are without any English knowledge.
But, dumbfuck, without either English or education in the area, you're just another idiot who only knows to repeat and repeat.
How could you know basic facts such as that the Obama administraiton dropped the term "enemy combatant" 2 years ago?
You are a stupid American with no knowledge and vast prejudice and pretensions. Your fantasy world, not mine
underbjorn 6 months ago
@underbjorn To take a position of “U.S. went to war on bogus information and that makes them war criminals” is utter stupidity. Considering the information was provided by Iraqi informants and he did actually have the means to produce WMDs (Just not the way foreign intelligence said). It would akin to saying “America should have fought the war in Europe because intelligence on where the U2 rockets were shot from was wrong.” Saddam is dead and the world is a better place for it, live with it!
kuhioffxi 6 months ago
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underbjorn 6 months ago
@kuhioffxi ---
Haha you really are fucking stupid, Saddam is dead and the way he was killed was unjust. If the means justify the goals, there is no room for ethics and we should all be happy the Nazis purged the Jews, after all the goal was noble acc to them.
It's not utter stupidity because I base it on facts, I don't care who provided the intel, Powell chose to use it and is guilty for the war crime. The papers were from Niger btw, not Iraq, dumbfuck.
underbjorn 6 months ago
@underbjorn You ignored half my post, good job idiot.
kuhioffxi 6 months ago
@kuhioffxi ---
I produced answers to every single idiotic point you pathetically attempted to make, not my fault you try to impress me with "Saddam's dead live with it derp" like the mind of a 12-year old you seem to have and are utterly unable to respond properly since you can't find more material on Wikipedia to put in a context that seems to make sense.
underbjorn 6 months ago
You are wrong and it’s documented fact, they (Iraq/Saddam) had the means to produce WMD, the same thing UN inspectors were looking for. It takes a special kind of stupid like yourself to ignore facts because you want to hate the US and/or Bush so much. Go look in the mirror and reassess your life if you think America is the bad guys here.
kuhioffxi 6 months ago
@kuhioffxi ---
A special kind of stupid, isn't that amusing to hear from the one who's projecting.
Saddam's biological weapon capabilities were abandoned in 1996 acc to the Iraq Survey Group, but how could you know, being a stupid uneducated idiot?
There were no WMDs in Iraq, that's what matters. Not what would possibly be created in 100 years from now.
George Bush said Saddam had WMDs, he did not have WMDs, what in this is so hard for you to get? Mentally challenged confirmed, get help.
underbjorn 6 months ago
@underbjorn Abandoned and destroyed are two different things IDIOT! Saddam himself said he was keeping those facilities intact to portray the image that he had active WMD (and it worked). He said this to an agent who all but lived with him while he was on trial. You can probably still find the 60 minute interview because it’s obvious you haven’t read the report.
kuhioffxi 6 months ago
@kuhioffxi ---
Oh wow, one agent, which agent was that? How reliable was he? How do oyu know he didn't lie? For all i care, that agent provided just as false intel as everything else Bush acquired, since Bush's war criminal government was filled with incompetent corrupts who couldn't even get basic facts straight, like you idiot.
The fact still stands that he had no nuclear capabilities.
What is the problem with you getting this? Saddam had no WMDs And you continue to contest this? What an idiot
underbjorn 6 months ago
@underbjorn So now he is a conspirator of sorts even though you have no idea who he is or what he said? That sounds like a real argument to hang your hat on? To me and many others the ability and means to make Sarin is the same having it in a missile ready to go. Do you know what Sarin gas is? Do you know that it takes almost no time to make and that he had the weapon delivery system to use it? Or do you just drink stupid and spit dumb?
kuhioffxi 6 months ago
@kuhioffxi ---
Do you know the difference between having something and not having something?
Or are you just proudly standing waving your flag saying "I am a stupid, idiotic American who confirm the stereotype everybody already knows"?
You have no idea how to make Sarin gas, do you seriosuly think you sound intelligent? If sarin gas has a 5-year life, what does 2003-1996 give you, idiot? 7 years, it would already be worthless and harmless.
But you are too stupid to get even this.
underbjorn 6 months ago
@kuhioffxi ---
"To me and many others the ability and means to make Sarin is the same having it in a missile ready to go."
that's like saying that Japan has nuclear weapons or that the U.S has huge arsenals of chemical and biological weapons themselves.
You are so stupid it's incredible, contradicting yourself in every post you produce, base it on the most contrafactual nonsense seen this day and yet continue. You really strife to make a giant embarrassment of yourself, don't you?
underbjorn 6 months ago
@underbjorn I know the difference between someone who has a gun with a full clip next to it and someone who is eating a sinkers…. Do you?
Japan doesn’t make weapon grade plutonium and STILL has international sanction on long range weapon systems. Also, if the UN wanted to inspect their facilities (like they have after the tsunami) they would let them because they have nothing to hide.
Now that your straw man is burning, got something better?
kuhioffxi 6 months ago
@kuhioffxi ---
Wow, you replied to my analogy in full armour of seriousness.
That's the best you can muster, begin punching an imaginary strawman. I guess you have to, because you deflect and dodge all relevant points time and again.
But somebody who thinks that "enemy combatant" somehow is still in use, universally used and universally held equal to "unlawful combatant" and then thinks that Sarin gas can be active longer than their physical possibility period seriously isn't impressing.
underbjorn 6 months ago
@underbjorn You’re proving my point, Sarin gas is made when expected to be used. So facilities with the ability to make Sarin gas are as dangerous as a batch made last week. Remember that these places were the exact things the UN inspectors were looking for and why Saddam kept them from doing their job. If he didn’t gas his own people, invade Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, destroyed these facilities and let UN inspectors do their jobs he might still be alive to torture his people. If only right?
kuhioffxi 6 months ago
@kuhioffxi ---
You are missing the point again, dumbfuck.
When you have something, you have it.
If you don't have it, you don't have it.
George Bush & co lied and waged an illegal war of aggression.
That Saddam tortured his citizens is highly irrelevant and hypocritical to be included by an American who stands for torture and brutal savagery himself in the very same discussion. Since you are suffering from some mental disorder, you probably don't even remember. Kind of tragic, and annoying.
underbjorn 6 months ago
@kuhioffxi ---
And no, facilities with no material and abandoned are abandoned. They pose a threat to noone in the present, and any future action is highly hypothetical.
Again, Japan has nuclear weapons according to you.
Ofcourse such a stance is ridiculous and most people would agree that if you have a thing, you have it, and if you don't have it you don't.
But like most far-right extreme Americans, you live in a flawed fantasy world with no basis in reality.
underbjorn 6 months ago
@underbjorn “Japan has nuclear weapons according to you” I didn’t say that so why are you saying it? Oh, you have reading comprehension problems… got it. I can only respond to one of you idiots at a time, so please form a rational thought before you post, it will be much easier to educate you that way.
kuhioffxi 6 months ago
@kuhioffxi ---
It's only me, I know you want it to seem like a line of people, but no, it's only me you have to respond to and your comprehension problems are extreme.
Now did you actually learn something about political ideology and existence of things or do you continue to live in your fantasy world?
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You said that if a country has the capability to get WMDs, you think they have it. This was your idiotic argument for the Iraq illegal war all the time, and now you exclude it from reason? Ofc.
underbjorn 6 months ago
@kuhioffxi ---
"If he didn’t gas his own people, invade Kuwait and Saudi Arabia"
Hahaha, yea his invasion of Saudi Arabia was really brutal. Geez christ, there's no telling what nonsense you clowns will come up with.
Maybe the next time, savage 1 (USA) shouldn't provide savage 2 (Saddam) with weapons?
But of course, since you have no knowledge of this area and no basic education in...well, anything really, you have to resort to fantasy.
underbjorn 6 months ago
@underbjorn So your rebuttal is “shit, I’ll ignore Kuwait and talk about Saudi because America was there and stemmed that incursion real quick. Then I’ll talk about unsubstantiated weapon charges against a previous administration deflecting from my bush-hate, but oh well, I’ll use it... Round it out with insults… and post” Original LOL!!!
kuhioffxi 6 months ago
@kuhioffxi ---
Hahaha, no I'll talk about how you believed that Iraq invaded Saudi Arabia. That Iraq invaded Kuwait is incredibly irrelevant to the 2003 Iraq War and Iraqi WMDs, I couldn't have cared less if the U.S was there or not.
underbjorn 6 months ago
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underbjorn 6 months ago
@kuhioffxi ---
And your idiotic nonsense and contradictions continue. You are really thick to not get that there were no WMDs in Iraq in 2003. You think that liberalism=libertarianism, simply factually incorrect. You think that "enemy combatant" is a relevant term in 2011, your lack of knowledge of international law and convention, your nonsensical rationality and pretensions of treatment of prisoners, your repeated ignorance of all earlier mentioned.
You can't, ofc, answer any of these.
underbjorn 6 months ago
@underbjorn 1) WMD production ability is just as dangerous (you still ignore this FACT!) 2) Liberalism in America was not and is not John Locke but a libertarian splinter as history and I describe 3) "Enemy combatant" is a correct term for the person originally referred to who was released and killed in combat. Just because Obama wants to politicize the term doesn’t mean it's not the correct terminology. (Personal insult blah blah blah).
kuhioffxi 6 months ago
@kuhioffxi ---
1. WMD production capability is completely irrelevant and doesn't change the fact that Bush lied.
2. Haha, oh wow so you came to the conclusion that they aren't the same at the end? Good, you learn.
3. Wrong, "enemy combatant" has only a meaning in the U.S where it was used to describe terrorists with specifically al-Qaida links and give them a subhuman status. The correct term is "unlawful combatant".
Obama is a disastrous failure for not shutting down Gitmo concentration camp.
underbjorn 6 months ago
@kuhioffxi ---
According to you, Japan has nuclear weapons, the end.
Your memory might be damaged, (Very probable), but if they have the capability (Japan can get nukes within a year) they de facto have it.
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Now, that's not what most people think, if you have it you have it and else you don't but since you subscribe to a special fantasy world, Japan has nuclear weapons.
underbjorn 6 months ago
@kuhioffxi ---
And your analogy is the worst I've ever seen, and again utterly irrelevant. TThe U.S shoudl have fought the war because the location of rockets were wrong? Nonsensical, as one could expect from you, and again utterly irrelevant due to the fact that Saddam had no weapons, or capability of weapons, without proper knowledge.
The Bush war criminal cabinet had false knowledge, and if they were aware, their crime is even greater.
The world would be better without Bush and Dick Cheney.
underbjorn 6 months ago
@kuhioffxi ---
Regarding "enemy combatant", there's the historical use that countries in the world know and there's the new construct that the U.S have come up with to excuse barbaric practices not applied on other prisoners.
Those two are distinct and separate, but ofc you wouldn't know, being an idiot.
underbjorn 6 months ago
@underbjorn One quick search shows that the term "enemy combatant' was around before 1942 when the Supreme Court clarified the term. Your OPINION on how they are treated has no relevance. I happen to believe that America treats prisoners of war better than they should with 3 meals a day, TV, video games, correspondence, air conditioned rooms, access and ability to practice religion. "Barbaric"? You have no idea what that means… IDIOT! (Name calling for the simpletons)
kuhioffxi 6 months ago
@kuhioffxi ---
Hahaha, it's exactly the treatment of prisoners of war that's the relevant here idiot.
It goes against all conventions, and do you really think you give them video games and access?
Do you know I am talking about a maximum security facility? They haven o access and up until Obama's election, they were forced into crammed cages in open sun on kneeling positions for much of the day.
What you believe is irrelevant, you don't know much so what could you possible base belief on?
underbjorn 6 months ago
@underbjorn I want a reply on this topic from you after I post this list. No dodging and no deflecting like everyone else dose here. NATO, European Union, Australia, Canada, France, Germany, Ireland, Israel, Mexico, New Zealand and UK to name the most noteworthy. Even renowned Muslim scholar Yusuf al-Qaradawi denounced the attacks and the unprovoked killings of hundreds of civilians as a "heinous crime”. THAT!! International community, not you and 5 of your closest libertard friends.
kuhioffxi 6 months ago
@kuhioffxi ---
You said they were being tried as war criminals, i ask you where it says the international community backs htis.
You idiot, you don't seem to get that you are not responding to that but merely throwing another irrelevant statement about denouncing the crime.
That you denounce the crime doesn't mean you support them being tried as war criminals.
Do you get this? Or will you keep the irrelevant statements, dodging and deflecting as all far-right extremists to excuse war and misery?
underbjorn 6 months ago
@underbjorn On December 8, 2008, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and his four co-defendants told the judge that they wished to confess and plead guilty to all charges. You want a refund on your $2 community college degree yet? Libertards never quit making bad arguments though; I’m waiting for the inevitable ignoring of facts, personal attacks and deflection to another topic.
kuhioffxi 6 months ago
@kuhioffxi ---
You really are a prime examples of how the far-right U.S idiot machine never stops. Stupid americans stereotype confirmed over and over. Where's the relevance of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed pleading guilty?
Oh, you didn't go to university so you don't know how to bring up vrelevant pieces, do you stupid?
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The infringement of human rights on those in Guantanamo Bay is incredible, it's a concentration camp and nobody there has been sentenced in a fair trial.
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kuhioffxi 6 months ago
@kuhioffxi ---
Since you lack education, you couldn't possibly know that George Bush and his other war criminals and officers waging illegal wars of aggression declared war on a non-state organization, per se against all neorealist theory and had to construct their own legitimizing ideas for that. The manipulated speech by Colin Powell in 7 hours to the UN General Assembly and lies about Saddam's WMDs was just one.
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The opening of a concenteration camp and torture was another.
underbjorn 6 months ago
@underbjorn Colin Powell himself said that he didn’t believe the reports of WMD and he had done extensive research before going before the UN. “7 hours”, making up things doesn’t make you look smart, just desperate. On top of that, all the things the UN inspectors were tasked to look for we found, including facilities with the ability to make WMDs within a short time. Once again your claims to higher education prove to be unfounded. So a POW camp and interrogation is new right? Grow up.
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