TZM Town Hall Meeting Los Angeles October 26 2011 Part 4

[TheDarkFenix]

Totally amazing stuff. Mind altering stuff i'd say..

I love TZM, the ideas, not the messenger.

[khameeleeon]

Many people who watch Peter's presentations are given points - clues, so to say - to what to look into, do some in depth research about what he's saying if they may so. But no, there are still others who find it more appropriate to ditch that, come here and assault the content and everybody who's curious about it, only because it's TOO BOLD to think that way. I don't understand why they're wasting their times. That simply baffles and amuses me, interchangeably one moment to another.

[deamonsthe]

@rickdelagarza

Are you sure you've listen to what his said ? Cause I can't find a way to see your comment as relevant with what his discussed here. Not even your interpretation of Peter mentioning Einstein.

[rickdelagarza]

The zeitgeist movement is not scientific.Where is the analysis of Sexism and Racism?It is not radical, it is about as radical as techno liberals.lol Its nice he mentioned Einstein because he was a socialist but politics is irrelevant so why mention that.

[rickdelagarza]

The zeitgeist movement is not scientific.Where is the analysis of Sexism and Racism?It is not radical, it is about as radical as techno liberals.lol

[iplayddr3789]

is there a video of the presentation at OWS that Peter talks about at 10:11?

[kji02]

Are you going to upload the rest? Thanks for sharing this video.

[stokrotkapl]

@kji02 I will upload the rest in 24 hours...

[kji02]

@stokrotkapl Thanks man!



[VVc0mpu73r]

yep... 2 years of searching online for someone smarthen than peter ... no luck so far , the number of findings that came even close to him is so small that it seems even more unrea that such person exsist

[CraftyMiscreant]

@VVc0mpu73r

Meh...He's not "smarter" than anyone. He's just well informed to certain information. As are we all. He would probably tell you that himself.

[VVc0mpu73r]

@CraftyMiscreant by smarth I mean ... even if u are more informed than him , but u cant relay the information in supreme acurate and logical way like him .. that doesnt do any good to anyone

[CraftyMiscreant]

@VVc0mpu73r

That still doesn't make you "smart," it makes you a good public speaker. Don't get me wrong, I'm an advocate of the Zeitgeist movement, but If you are able to relay information in a "supreme and logical way" like him, again, you're a good public speaker. The being of "smart" and "stupid" hold too much semantic garbage to it.

[VVc0mpu73r]

@CraftyMiscreant its obvious that we have diferent view on whats is included in the "smarth package" , but calling this thing of his "good public speaker" is like calling the sun a regular lamp

[CraftyMiscreant]

@VVc0mpu73r

No, not at all. The sun has a direct and technical physical referent. The word "smart" is so abstract and semantically used in so many ways that it doesn't have a solid meaning behind it.

Lets say you have a mathematician that can deduce mathematical problems, but cannot farm for the life of him.

then lets say you have a farmer that can harvest an abundance of food, but cannot do a math problem or speak a full sentence.

Whose the "smart" one?

[VVc0mpu73r]

@CraftyMiscreant ..... man I used sun/lamp metafore to try make u think a bit how superior his skill of expresing thoughts and idias are to ...just a "good public speaker" about your question ... the one that can resolve mathemathical problems have more evolved brain that has higher chance to learn to farm eventualy than the farmer .. learning math on his own .. so yep I will go whit answer A :)

[CraftyMiscreant]

@VVc0mpu73r

...The correct answer is neither are smart. In fact, I know some math majors that cannot farm or conduct simple tasks, like driving safely. The truth is, both the farmer and the math major can learn the other trade. We all have that capacity. But labeling somebody as "smart" or "stupid" is too one dimensional. Socrotese once said that human wisdom is a worthless thing. The fact of the matter is there is so much we don't know, so in retrospect, there is no such thing as smart.

[VVc0mpu73r]

@CraftyMiscreant I see ....u have "the correct answer" ....from sicumstantial daily life observation and a guy that lived 3000 years ago ... cant argue whit that ;)

[CraftyMiscreant]

@VVc0mpu73r

Thats a bit of a straw man there don't you think? Maybe you need to read "Republic" or "The Tyranny of Words." I only give a few examples for the lack of characters I'm allowed to type in this text and trying to deliver a clear argument. Plus, I don't have anything. I was just informing you through my preposition that using the word "smart" in that context is technically wrong for a list of reasons.

[CraftyMiscreant]

@VVc0mpu73r

You obviously want to stick to ambiguous terms like "smart packaging" or a "more evolved brain," which is a mouth full of garble, to stick to using the same semantic word. Nobody on the face of the planet is "smart." There is no physical standard for such a word. But it's not your fault. It seems to be the norm in using such terms to justify the actions of somebody else...

[VVc0mpu73r]

@CraftyMiscreant there is no physcal standart for prety big percentange of the words that exsist , if we dont use them too ... just because the are not 100% acurate we will need a brand new language . Anyway I see your point and I wont argue any further on the specific use of english words , because my knowage in this area is limited to selfthought through watching stuff online ... and thats the reason I use the so called "ambiguous terms" ... I dont know english as good as u .. thats all

[CraftyMiscreant]

@VVc0mpu73r

Saying that he is a good public speaker is much better than saying that he is smart. Why, because he delivered concise information and was able to express his thoughts. No semantics, no lack of a physical standard. I never said that we needed to change the entire english language, just think about the empty distinctions you are using.

[VVc0mpu73r]

@CraftyMiscreant thats probably correct if the majority of the people had above average understanding of the correct use of words and wile "good public speaker" is better tehnical term to use it is still far from describing the reality in this matter ... his ability to explain things is way way beyond .. your average "good public speaker"

[CraftyMiscreant]

@VVc0mpu73r

...and saying that he's "smart" is such a better description. Your semantic Jargon is no different from a Politician's....I'm assuming you think the political profession is outdated right?

[VVc0mpu73r]

@CraftyMiscreant .. I came to realise from our little discusion here that using "smart" for his superior train of thought ,logic , well-informness , speed of thought , public speaking ... is not very good desciption , but u saing he`s just a "well informed good public speaker" is not also

[CraftyMiscreant]

@VVc0mpu73r

....'Superior train of though, logic, well "informness", ect ect was not what you first said, sir. You first said that he was smart. In fact, you used it as a comparative term to other individuals (which had not physical referent) as an "objective compliment." All I said was that he is a good public speaker. Not "well informed good public speaker." He is well in formed on the basis that he has accumulated data that he understands(tangible referent).

[VVc0mpu73r]

@CraftyMiscreant Im simply explaining to u what I ment by "smart" ... and I allready agreed that I missused the word , because I havnt given it much tought .. that other people probably wont give the same properties of the word that I had in mind . About the good public speeker thing.... im not saing hes not .. , but that he`s much more than just good

[CraftyMiscreant]

@VVc0mpu73r

and that he is a good public speaker, because he is speaking his thoughts in a clear, concise manner in a organized way where people can interpret and understand what he is saying (another tangible referent to the word I'm using). You, on the other hand, said he's "smarter than other people." ....Okay, how? Because you never seen anybody else deliver good ideas? Because he knows a bit about sociology? You also say it goes with the smart package. Whats the "smart package?"

[FABRISON1]

@VVc0mpu73r What about Fresco?

[kji02]

@VVc0mpu73r google Sam Harris. He's a textbook definition of a critical thinker.