Author Jonah Goldberg on Glenn Beck 2/20 - Liberal Fascism

[ClevelandFIST]

Jonah Goldberg is a Holocaust Denier.

DIRECT QUOTE FROM "LIBERAL FASCISM" - "While its true a few homosexuals were killed in Nazi Germany..."

MILLIONS WEREN'T ENOUGH, AYE?

[spencerchef]

ickkk

[Ulrna]

The idea about corporatism being right wing comes out of Marxism..?

Karl Marx never gave such an assumption in his thesis.

it's sad to se history being undermined like this on the basis of newer politics.

A recurring theme in these conservative attempts at rewriting globally recognized history is religion, historical politics and class struggle. All of these are taken out of historical context, misrepresented, and used to further conservative political agenda.

USA's dark ages have begun...

[GenRipper]

Nice to see Jonah Goldberg getting some attention - especially in this lunatic to lunatic interview. Reminder: ever German party voted to give Hitler dictatorial power except for the socialist party. Thus, clearly Hitler was a socialist. :) By the way, that includes all the christian affiliated poliitcal parties. But, what do you expect from a religion that been a source of antisemitism for 2,000 years.

[Catmatt4KSU]

Those who say Fascism is "far right" don't understand the true nature of fascism.

[DaHonestAbe]

Debunked this book in my sleep.

[Dadutta]

excellent observation on the myth of corporations being rightist, when they in reality are leftist

[Ballsooker0lol]

@Dadutta Dude corporations aren't left or right, they buy all politicians because they don't care about ideology and just want to make more money.

[AtlasShruggery]

Jonah Goldberg: The Doughy Pantload. Another Faux News legacy admission.

[HotelLambert]

Americans, please wake up!!! Stop the BIG GOVERNMENT madness!! Don't let your FREEDOM fade or I can forget about my plans for life and I that my country has accomplish since '89 will be worthless. Do it for those who believe in the rights mentioned in the Declaration of Independence and don't live in the USA and aren't US citizens!!!!!!!!

[roofer10]

Would you be more happy if I called Liberals what the are most? RADICALS!!!!!!!!!! They are against private entities such as media outlets and want to take control by way of instituting diversity clauses and mandates. SOunds peachy but it is totally over ruling any type of meritocrisy as well as ignoring what the free market craves. Why do they do this? For power number one and because white majority are inherently racist and wrong about believing in Capitalism. Wake Up man! Wrong Change.

[BrezhnevIsMyCoPilot]

Gosh, after a subject like "liberal fascism" I sure can't wait for Jonah's next book! Do you think this time that it will focus on "monarchist republicanism" or perhaps "libertarian Stalinism"?

[johnsmdm]

you consevative bastards!....liberals are antisemite bastards!....please vote blue and jail the neocons sir....

[FozzilinyMoo]

I don't want to say that Obama and Co. are nazis, but I will say, like the Nazis, they're drunk with power.

[TJMonster51]

Bravo Sir!

[jakefree25]

So they aren't like the Nazis but they are?

[Ulrna]

@FozzilinyMoo drunk with power?

Were the Nazis drunk with power?

Is the Obama administration drunk with power?

What do you put in the empty context of "drunk with power"?

[roofer10]

I dont know about that. Did'nt the Nazi's seize property and distribute it to their friends in the Government, only the rich made out in the seizure. I know you are not comparing the Nazi's to the Right in America today but it seems that you dont realize that Obama and friends are on the way to doing such things. They have already fired a CEO, taken over the Census, bailed out banks and insurance co's. and now making us pay more in energy taxes in the name of their programs. Scary stuff.

[jakefree25]

As well as far worse things. They seized the Jews properties though.

[roofer10]

And also very much elitist!

A lot of Lefty Loons and regular Democrats use the word Elitist when describing Rush or GWB but only because they dont know what an Elitist really is. An Elitist is a guy like Barack Obama or a John Kerry who talk from above to us all about how to live our lives and then they usually go out and not practice what they preach. They believe that they are the chosen ones to give us all the correct message that will make us all better people in a better country. Bull!!!

[ciraldofan]

One sees the same thing from the so-called Christian right....they tell everyone how to live their lives and feel that they are superior & have a direct pipeline to God and that they are "God's spokesperson" to the rest of us....then get caught with a mistress or running around with someone else's wife, or divorcing their spouse who is dying of cancer, etc. They, too, rarely practice what they preach.

[roofer10]

Look bottom line is that Socialism and Fascism are both bad things. Liberals are far more dangerous in this country because they tend to think that we can do Socialism the "Right Way". Its not possible, especially in a country with 300 million people. Liberals also feel that they can solve every little problem that comes down the pike with Govt. intervantion. Let Capitalism and Freedom reign. We can solve our own problems. Lets no take a ride down the Liberal Slippery Slope!

[ciraldofan]

I see both extremes (right & left) as dangerous...I remember, back in the 60s in my hometown, the most "fascist like" individual was a member of the ultra-right John Birch Society. He always combed the libraries, looking for books that he deemed "subversive" or "not Christian." He would write letters to the editor, telling us who was a "true 100% American," & who wasn't. He even kept files on liberal profs at our local college...scary stuff, indeed. I agree. Let freedom ring for all!

[joessoap]

@ciraldofan Yes, the John Birch society had VISION. Everything they warned about is now coming true. So much for freedom blah blah blah. The future is a repressive, facist state run by communists. Enjoy.

[BrezhnevIsMyCoPilot]

"And also very much elitist!"

Actually roofer10, what you described is commonly called "hypocrisy." Merriam-Webster's dictionary defines elitism as "leadership or rule by an elite." Considering that this elite was traditionally embodied by a social or economic class, this is something far more in line with the Republican Party's traditional base (e.g. "the business elite") or its Christian right supporters (a "moral elite") than the left, which has traditionally been more egalitarian.

[jakefree25]

Babbling about elites is as lowbrow as it is stupid, From my POV, Beck and Goldberg are elite

[roofer10]

Take my home State for instance Massachusetts. Obama best friend, Deval Patrick is the Governor here and he along with his cronies have come up with new taxes for Cigarettes, Beer and yes even Candy to name a few, and all in the name of, "These things are all bad for you so we are going to make those who want to do harm to themselves and their families more difficult and more expensive to do so". "Oh ya and because we are smarter than you and know whats good for you." Very Fascist!!!!!!!!!!!!

[roofer10]

I think a lot of you guys here are getting Socialism and Fascism confused. Hitler was very Fascist even if he was'nt Socialist. I am not going to run to the dictionary but Fascism pertains Any Governing Body that seeks and atains control over a population of people through forced ideas and ideals. I.E. "Its good to pay more taxes in order to subsidize programs that will make you either more healthy or better 'taken care of.'" Its more about control than anything else.

[FozzilinyMoo]

Actually, roofer10, the Nazi party was the "National Socialist German Workers Party". Socialism was right in the title of the party. It cracks me up now when people try to tell me Fascism is right-wing authoritarianism gone awry. Nope. Read your history. Read "Liberal Fascism".

[ciraldofan]

Yes, but most historians (Bullock, Toland, Shirer, etc.) point out how even Hitler felt there would be misconceptions about the party's name, which was chosen BEFORE he even joined. There's simply NO SOCIALISM there...no aim to redistribute wealth or make people "equal."  Quite the opposite...He was financed by rich industrialists, & he kept taxes LOW....they made $ by the truckload...it was a military-industrial complex, not a workers paradise. They shot leftist who pushed for egalitarianism.

[Ballsooker0lol]

@FozzilinyMoo See you don't know your history, if you actually read about German history the other party that hitler beat was the Democratic Socialist Party. They in the 1920s were in favor of social spending and tried to create a welfare state. Hitler in 1933 beat the Democratic Socialist Party and used the word Socialist to attract people. But Hitlers core party members were Bohemian Nationalists, which were more like the KKK then any real socialist party. Read a book.

[sidvidle]

@FozzilinyMoo It was only in name, why don't people get that you can't win with a fascism ticket?! They got elected with a bucnh of promises for the people, once all their men were in place; bait and switch. That was the plan for getting power! It is not that easy to understand. I can call myself anything I please it is what my intentions are that create certain consequences. Calling Nazis socialists is funny though, you know they killed any other ''real'' socialists though, right?

[DestructerX]

liberal fascism is an oxymoron. fascism pertains to the right of the spectrum with the corrupt republicans who want corporations along with religion to control government.

[dwoti]

"I've always been a man of the left." The Italian Fascist leader Mussolini... I could sit here and go over all of the comparisons (Bigger government, environmentalism, eugenics, Government as Religion, Pensions, Subsidizing economic policy) in detail, but you are too stupid and brainwashed to see the truth...

[ciraldofan]

Maybe Il Duce in the early years, but never Hitler:

"In the background...there lurked the terror of the Gestapo & the fear of the concentration camp for those who got out of line or who had been Communists or socialists or TOO LIBERAL or too pacifist, or who were Jews." Wm. Shirer, THE RISE AND FALL OF THE THIRD REICH, p. 231, describing Germany in 1934. Hitler hated liberals and TRUE socialists, and had them shot....he hated conservatives too....his regime based on 1 race, not 1 class.

[dwoti]

Hitler was the leader of the National Socialist party and he, just like Il Duce, used leftist policy and war to mobilize the people of their countries to unite and work towards a common goal... I dont feel like writing the policies out right now, but if you read Liberal Fascism you will see how similar they are...

[ciraldofan]

Sorry, I don't buy it. A leftist gov't will use the point of a rifle to enforce equality & redistribute wealth...Hitler NEVER did anything like that. Nazism was a military-industrial-gov't triangle....taxes were LOW on corporations and Hitler was adored by the middle class & up. Try some REAL HISTORY: Shirer, "The Rise & Fall of the Third Reich"; Alan Bullock: "Hitler: A Study in Tyranny"; John Toland: "Adolf Hitler." Der Furher even had much support from RC Church, hardly liberal.

[ciraldofan]

Commies & lefty dictators: no private property allowed with gov't owning all; work toward classless society by restribution of wealth; internationalist who hope to do away with national borders; non-racist; atheistic.

Nazis: allowed private property; ALL SOCIAL CLASSES EXISTED...Hitler financed by some of the wealthiest German industrialists; very nationalistic - Germany will rule world; extremely racist; allowed Catholics & Lutherans to worship, provided loyal.

[zscomrix]

You've obviously done your homework on this. And I'm not being sarcastic in saying it.

But, liberalism in this country is different in certain details to Nazism. Nazis distributed wealth by the seizure of Jews' property and gov't sponsored contracts for public projects. It is also true that Nazism was a counter movement to the Leftists in Germany at the time, who ended up failing to organize properly and lost control of seats in the Wiemar Republic.

[zscomrix]

talking to ciraldofan

It's easy to compare that to American Liberalism, where it's not the ethnicity that is judged but the type and level of income. I.e. You're not good enough if you're not bohemian working class or you don't like public works or you don't think that what you put in you should be regulated by the gov't, even if the gov't thinks its doing best for its citizens by doing so.

[roofer10]

Anyone who thinks that Beck and Goldberg are crazy are in the Tank / Denial about what Liberal Fascism is, or you just dont know anything. Watch Becks Show once in a while and see the smart thoughtful people that sit in the audience when he has Specials. These people and ideas about defending American Capitalism against American Liberal Fascism are not dumb and are absolutely right in doing so. Liberalism feels good but is Evil at its core for reasons you will have to figure out for yourself.

[snapcase55]

crazy meets crazy and look how good they get along

[ensurePlus1]

glen beck IS the happy side of fascism!!! seriously!

never allow the public to cool off; never admit a fault or wrong; never concede that there may be some good in your enemy; never leave room for alternatives; never accept blame; concentrate on one enemy at a time and blame him for everything that goes wrong; people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one; and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it. -fox news

[TheOSullivanFactor]

are you retarded? Glenn beck did some week long thing a while ago where he brought on moderate Muslims and had them speak out to other muslims to denounce the radicals.

Compact and demonize your opponents views to make them look like evil communists/fascists -(p)msnbc/O'rly

[gingerbred211]

Yeah, the first thing we should do is Fire the "press" take the MEDIA away from the THREE people who run it. Take our tax dollars out of their banks and drop them off in the projects. Then ask them if they feel like they CAPITALIST.

[smithglover]

this is so bad it's almost a satire. GE promoting "green" is the same as Fox promoting "waterboarding"? could beck be a bigger idiot? the joining of business and a strong government (that doesn't allow people to question it) is what the conservatives have been doing for the past 8 years, but now it's somehow the liberals fault. people like beck (and air america on the other side) are bad for our country- they produce almost no fact and just play on people's fear and emotion.

[garbage333]

Obviously you have a different opinion of "strong gonvernment" than most. Passing taxbayer bills that put us further into debt to save businesses that won't float even with the loans they are given because of these bills is something the republicans seldom tried. The democrats also want everyone to know that it's them thats paying out loans and building new useless projects, instead of letting people getting educated about the subject.

[smithglover]

Did you already forget that most of the bailout money came from Bush and his administration- so to say that republicans don't put us into to debt to float businesses is just plain wrong- Bush did it a year ago. And when Paulson was coming up with the TARP plan he had the head of Goldman in the room with him- mixing government and business. That's the point I was trying to make- the joining of government and big business.

[flexicon1996]

LOL "billions in spending"! Man that seems quaint right about now. Try a TRILLION.

[HHODork]

it does blow your mind to look at this new. We were all worried then but now we are pissed as hell. The man is trying to run us into the poor house so we have no other option but to turn into communists.

[hcig]

thanks for uploading, i was sooo pissed when i missed this, i didnt figure anyone would upload

[return135]

I used to hang out with a Liberal Fascist who exactly fits the definition Jonah gives... the guy was an ignorant idiot.

[gmakepiece]

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[collapseofthedollar]

i wonder why this interview is so much better than the one with hanity and comles

[ciraldofan]

Is the Roman Catholic Church conservative? Yep! Don't recall too many Catholic archbishops and cardinals supporting Communist regimes, but they sure supported many a fascist regime. The Vatican made pacts with Mussolini and Hitler, and supported Franco's rise to power in Spain. American LEFTIES volunteered to fight fascism in Spain with the ABRAHAM LINCOLN BRIGADE. Fascism is simply the gov't married to Corporations and Militarism, and it "ain't" liberal!

[gmakepiece]

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[Beloit94]

Responding to your first point, one could argue that the Catholic Church in Central and South America allied itself with communism through the teaching of liberation theology.

[ciraldofan]

True, but that is a fairly modern, post Vatican 2 movement. I can assure you the church of Pius XII was conservative. Liberals & leftists preach egalitariansim...working for a society where we will all be equal, racially, socially, economically...the Nazis believed just the opposite. Their aim was to rule the world with a master, Ayran Race, all others would be slaves (or dead). Oh, & the very conservative Pius XII was known as "Hitler's Pope", the church helping Nazis escape to S. America.

[nightshroudis]

the vatican made pacts with franco and mussolini since both were catholic and since Hitler was part of the axis he was de facto given a pact... plus look at the where the Vatican is it doesnt make since to piss off your neighbor when he surrounds u

[shumich]

Liberal Fascism? Fascism is on the far-right of the political spectrum you dope. Liberal Fascism is just as much an oxymoron as, "business ethics", "political science" and "liberal media". (Media is mind control). NEWS ALERT------- Big foot and Elvis spotted having dinner with the LIBERAL MEDIA this weekend. Sarah Palin and John McCain are mavericks like the religious right is a persecuted minority. ho ho ho ho ho ho

[FozzilinyMoo]

shumich, you should read the book before you fling stereotypes as mud. I bought into your definition of fascism too before I read the book. Now, I'm not so sure. Goldberg makes so many interesting and compelling points, it's difficult, if not impossible, to go back to those old stereotypes.

[IantheLiberal]

@FozzilinyMoo There were elements of Leftism/socialism in Italian Fascism, true, but it was predominantly a hard Right military society

[gmakepiece]

Dear shumich, the "dope", er, try reading Jonah Goldberg's profoundly researched and empirical book...gee, that could work. Still, continue enjoying your Leftard Cognitive Dissonance and Logical Fallacy reinforced with little to zero research and analysis. Bravo, Comrade Boob. You are here: drsanity blogspot com thepeoplescube com dissectleft blogspot com colonelrobertneville blogspot com

[shumich]

@gmakepiece Wow, I can't believe I didn't respond to this. "Liberalism"=liberty, at least that's the way it's supposed to be. You know, not a bunch of hicks whining about how gay marriage is going to turn their kids gay and make grown men screw animals. Personal freedom. What about your Rightard Cognitive Dissonance? Didn't know that existed? How about Rightard Confirmation Biases? Google me this google me that. Just call me a moderate. Political extremists like you make me want to vomit.

[gmakepiece]

@shumich Excellent laughably incoherent scattergun ad hominem laced logical fallacy. Five stars! Er, so it doesn't matter who "marries" who then, but the number "marrying", being randomly per se set at two, does? Why? Are you a "hick whining about how" polygamy, group, child, animal and object "marriage" will make you "want to vomit"? Bravo. Why, I do believe YOU are a humourless and witless yet vastly unread "political extremist". You are a left liberal.

[shumich]

@gmakepiece Just read my other posts. We're not all that different. You and I are both guilty of "incoherent scattergun ad hominem laced with logical fallacy", but if you stop and read both our posts, they make sense. I'm not telling you you're all wrong about everything. Consider how the words "liberalism" and "liberal" are wildly misused by pundits like Goldberg. We're starting to live in a "PUNDITOCRACY". I'd love it if we could debate that. Leftists are progressives not liberals.

[gmakepiece]

@shumich Hey, nice reply. I concur per se and see that you are being sincere and that's always appreciated. Yes, I did notice you made more than a few salient and correct points and should have acknowleged same. Thanks for being a good cut n thrust sport. You are welcome to comment unmoderated at my shabby blog. All the best. Colonel Robert Neville blogspot com.

[shumich]

Your response indicates that you haven't read many of my posts. I'm both liberal and conservative btw. Goldberg's book is sensationalistic, low-brow conservatism. Burke and Buckley must be rolling in their graves. I actually do make a ton of people laugh. You can check my facebook page if u want proof. Liberalism is supposed to be about liberty. Yes, liberals in US today threaten liberty. "Life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness". Call the left something else other than liberal. Progressive?

[BellaKoei]

@shumich If the far right is defined by laissez faire economics and individuals pursuing self interest and the far left is defined by government ownership of production then true fascism lays right in the middle where business and government sleep together.

[shumich]

@BellaKoei Man you cannot even begin to do justice to the whole of political theory and practice throughout the centuries on a youtube forum. Take a damn college course or start a blog. Hitler privatized but had a quasi-socialist relation to "ownership of production". Mussolini had the entire economy owned by gov. Was Mussolini "on the far left" as you say? Economically perhaps. Socially, politically, and culturally- NO. The Founding Fathers of the US considered themselves "classical liberals".

[BellaKoei]

@shumich and classical liberals are the farthest right just left of anarchy on the

american political spectrum.

[shumich]

@BellaKoei How did we get these terms "left" and "right"? Well, it's because the radicals of the French Revolution, who wanted basically unbounded, disturbing, individual freedoms sat on the left. I'm talking sick Marques de Sade freedoms to butt rape your neighbor. The people sitting on the right believed in discipline, order, decency, and the Catholic church. If you can't tell me who Edmund Burke, Jean Jacques Roseau, and John Locke are, you're not even in my intellectual league buddy.

[BellaKoei]

@shumich Man you haven't said anything I don't already know so get your head out of your ass. I'm commenting on this video on the basis of the information in the book they are pitching. I've read this entire book and I'm simply expressing the content of this book. If you haven't read this book then I don't even know why you're commenting on this video. If you have read this book then wouldn't have misunderstood me so greatly.

[shumich]

@BellaKoei I stopped reading dumbed down crap like this when I was exposed to classical political philosophy. I can appreciate the classical conservative views of Burke and the reactionary Hobbes as much as I can the leftism of Madison Locke and radicalism of Roseau. Seven or so years ago I read Michael Moore with the same objectivity I did Bill O'Reilly. I'm here to get you beyond the simplicity of these modern mainstream idiots. True liberalism is never fascist. Manufactured liberalism may be.

[BellaKoei]

@shumich That's literally exactly my point.

[shumich]

@BellaKoei Cool because you know both left and right politicians in America contradict themselves constantly. It's ok though. I'm a liberal on somethings and conservative on others. I really don't care about gay marriage. I don't care either way about abortion either. I'm just neutral. Those are cultural issues, Now, when it comes down to economics and politics, you know things get ugly. I think we should all try to be more moderate and understanding of different viewpoints as we age.

[gmakepiece]

@BellaKoei Sadly 'shumich' won't have read the book at all. 'shumich is a left liberal. The image of left liberals being educated, well read & smart is created by left liberals. After 12 years online virtually every left liberal, Marxist & Islamofascist et al, can NEVER focus where someone is allegedly wrong & counter with a shred of empirical evidence via a book, a site, an article, an analyst or an author etc, etc. Left liberals go straight to scattergun logical fallacy ad hominem etc.

[gmakepiece]

@BellaKoei Ask shumich to post a focused repsonse with quotes to Goldberg's book. HE CANNOT. Ask shumich to post his relevent reading list, his favourite websites & writers etc.  At best you'll get his undergraduate list. He will post logical fallacy obsfucations. It;ll be a grand joke. Pure tedious phony gold. As a left liberal. He will not know a single actual conservative. He knows NOTHING of conservatives except what he was indoctrinated to think by the dominant left liberal MOB mind.

[DrunKao]

What the fuck. "It's the same point we have against Green week." These people are comparing waterboarding and pro-life propaganda to environmental conservation. Glenn and all of his guest are fucking retarded.

[MarcelloSanchez]

yawn.i get so horny at this time of day.

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[ciraldofan]

If fascism is left-wing, then why did American lefties fight it so hard when Franco brought fascism to Spain with his buddy Adolph in the 1930s? American libs joined with socialists and commies to fight the fascist takeover of Spain. Fascism is the gov't wedded to Big Business and the military. Goldberg's book truly shows how the average American has been DUMBED DOWN over the past few decades. William Shirer, in THE RISE AND FALL OF THE 3rd REICH, saw the Nazis as on the FAR RIGHT - he knew.

[xATTACKK]

We in the Netherlands believe America is headed towards a 1984 society! And it's thanks to your conservatives! hahaha

[PhiloCentinel]

As an American, I'd laugh but you are quite correct, and I fear for my future in my republic.

[nikodimos]

You mean 1984 when Reagan was reelected taking every state but Minnesota but DC and it was obvious how Reagan's policies were superior to Carter's and the political slogan, "Why would we ever want to return to where we were just four short years ago?" rung true to most of the country? Yea, I hope we are headed there.

[mainestategop]

Oh and another thing, the vast majority of CEOS and rich people in America are Liberals. That's why they are crushing small business and compitition with higher taxes and regulations. Listen to what Goldberg is saying. he is right.

[mainestategop]

You libs are mostly wrong. Fascism IS the merging of business and state AND it is also the control of the masses. Fascism is also the restriction of the press and free speech. Ironically the Democratic liberals here in America and the Europeans are supporters of all the above.

[ktownwreck]

goldberg doesnt like the nanny state, thats what this book is about, but the analogy with hillary and the nazis via some notion that the democrats would actually intstitute free healthcare is quite fanciful, it would never happen, not with the big pharma companies etc, and the analogy implies totalitarian dictatorship bent on nationalism and pre-emptive aggression, yet interestingly the bush admin itself dissaproved of the nuremburg conclusion, that we must apply the same to ourselves etc..

[ktownwreck]

it is possible her or her party could also do the same sometime in the future, as they have in the past committed aggressions in the 90's, the medicine plant in the sudan was one that could most likely amount to a war crime if really carefully studied.. :-)

[ktownwreck]

goldberg doesnt like the nanny state, thats what this book is about, but the analogy with hillary and the nazis via some notion that the democrats would actually intstitute free healthcare is quite fanciful, it would never happen, not with the big pharma companies etc, and the analogy implies totalitarian dictatorship bent on nationalism and pre-emptive aggression, yet interestingly the bush admin itself dissaproved of the nuremburg conclusion, that we must apply the same to ourselves etc..

[ktownwreck]

there is a huge problem with this: mussolini defined his movement as anti liberal, and anti socialist, as well as anti individualist.. fascism is also extremely nationalistic, anti communist, and in many cases, capitalist to a very high degree.. liberal democrats believe in haratio alger and economic market liberalism, individualism, and entrepreneurial economics.

[FozzilinyMoo]

There is the belief that capitalism is involved, but it's really not. When you get someone who rises to power like Hitler and Mussolini, of course the industry elites are going to flock to them for business, favors, etc. But that's where it ends. After that, it's all socialism (with exceptions for the leader's good friends).

Read the book, man. It's pretty eye-opening. Learn the history.

[ktownwreck]

yes I need to buy it, so far Ive only been reading it in the bookstore where I was confronted by a man who claimed he used to be an associate of stephen schwartz and was a trotskiyist in the past, he had a huge problem with the new deal, upset with so called lazy blacks on welfare, wants to privatize social security and told me that hillary clinton was an avowed marxist-lenninist etc..

[iluminatr462]

first of all the fascist countries were capitalist. they practiced corporatism, which is capitalist. the idea of a free market is an illusion, it doesn't and has never existed. second, socialism doesn't mean government intervention. socialism means democratically controlled means of production. a totalitarian state can not be socialist. goldberg proves his idiocy by conflating liberalism with left wing. they're not the same. liberalism is simply the opposite of authoritarianism.

[Oceanica22]

545lljkr very open minded of you to read the book, while you think completely different. I might not agree with you but freedom of speech will educate people about reality.

I deeply dislike political parties and organisations restricting this freedom of speech, in america thats mostly the liberals, in Europe thats the political left. another thing about liberalism = it's socialism = big government, high taxes, nanny state, restriction of individual freedom and freedom of speech.

[545lljkr]

Whatever, it's a lie.

[545lljkr]

"it's socialism = big government, high taxes, nanny state, restriction of individual freedom and freedom of speech."

Socialism has nothing to do with free speech. Fascism also restricted freedom of speech.

[Oceanica22]

exactly, facism restricted free speech, just like the liberals/socialists (try to) do in America, and in Europe even worse(europeans don't have the right to freedom of speech in the National and European constitution to protect them). They also both deeply dislike jews and align with islam. socialists are also very anti-christianity and again, align with global political islam. This might be an interesting book to read, you might disagree on some stuff, but it'll expand your mind.

[Oceanica22]

Good 545lljkr, so you at least admit that socialism = big government, high taxes, nanny state and restriction of individual freedom.

Good of you to admit this mate

[545lljkr]

"nanny state and restriction of individual freedom."

Dunno what naany state is, true liberals argue for more individual freedom.

"europeans don't have the right to freedom of speech in the National and European constitution to protect them"

The Scandinavian countries have the freest presses in the world.

"socialists are also very anti-christianity"

Ever heard of christian socialists?

[Oceanica22]

again, global and national socialism, just like national SOCIALISM in ww2, is trying real hard to restrict free speech and often succesfully.

- Nanny state is a socialist welfare state. you talk about TRUE liberals...thats 0,5 %

I do support the TRUE liberals.

- I stand by my point about the constitution of E.U. countries. you cannot refute that plain and simple. Based on what do you tell us that scandinavian countries have the "freest press"???

[545lljkr]

"Based on what do you tell us that scandinavian countries have the "freest press"???"

It's a fact.

[ktownwreck]

but lets call a spade a spade, when have you ever seen an government as big as this admin? and all kinds of nanny state stuff rammed down our throats, I mean goldberg by telling us to get with the program and support this war stuff, or face much more wire tapping and general harrassment etc,he wants to tell us that he hates the nanny state but he threatens us with it at the same time.. go figure

[molloyx]

Ktown, you are dead right about this administrations attempts to undermine civil liberties, dispense with habaeus corpus and expand executive authority. They have done a bang-up job of alienating Libertarians and will pay for it in the general election. Goldberg is a raving hypocrite.

[agfigueroaa]

I agree. He said the corporations like regulations, and hate free markets. I think it is quite simple, Corporations like whatever it is convinient for them: regulations and free markets. They do not want the power in the hands of the people.

[545lljkr]

"freedom of speech will educate people about reality"

Freedom of speech is number 1. Goldberg is educating no one. It's scary that uneducated people will read this book and take Goldberg's bullshit for real, but it's their right.

[Oceanica22]

exactly it IS our right to hear him speak and read his books, many people want to read and know about these issues. There is internet nowadays unfortunately fot the leftist mainstream media. The right to speak, and the right to listen. To right to decide and think for yourself about issues without censorship from goverments. cheers

[545lljkr]

"There is internet nowadays unfortunately fot the leftist mainstream media."

Liberal media doesn't exist, it's a lie.

Goodbye.

[Oceanica22]

hahaha, 545..another typical liberal;

can't make a decent statement, can't argue, can't answer any of my questions and is in total denial saying "liberal media doesn't exist". Thats wat we have to deal with, these lunatics that always have the same simpleminded hollow arguments for everything and can't go into detail and seriously discuss them. ONLY rhetoric mate, thats all you have. There's a socialist for ya.

[Oceanica22]

yes of coruse I've heard of christian socialists, have you heard of liberal facism, left wing extremists and islamofascists?

[545lljkr]

"have you heard of liberal facism, left wing extremists and islamofascists"

Left Wing extremists include anarchists, communists and socialists, not fascists. Islamofascists have nothing to do with the left.

[545lljkr]

Liberal fascism is bullshit.

[joshsowords]

Democrats aren't liberals.

[Oceanica22]

I've read this book and will take on the ignorant people that glorify liberalism based on lies and indoctrination

[545lljkr]

What lies? Conservatives have lied more than any other entity in political history. Fascism has alway been a right-wing ideology.

[Oceanica22]

No 545lljkr liberal fascism does exist and is more than anything alive today as well. READ THE BOOK. also, national SOCIALISM was an expansive leftist ideology combined with nationalism. Just like then, the leftists still seem to hate the jews, nothing changed in your mind huh guys.

[545lljkr]

First of, I wasn't talking to you, you cons keep living in the past. I'm about to read your pathetic neo-con "book" in order rto have a few laughs. Fascism was born as a rebellion agaisnt liberalism, read comments on LIBERAL FASCISM. This book is just propaganda, there are cons who disagree with Goldberg's book and they're honest enough to show his lies. Oceanica22 liberal fascism has, is and always will be a lie.

[hillsidepunk]

His commentary is more libertarian style.Neocons are more like the pro war democrats of the 50s and 60s. Thats why conservatives like Goldberg and Beck rip on Bush when he deserves it.The measures that the left take to silence Goldberg are now proving his very point.People hide his book at stores, his webpage was hacked into,online book stores have been hacked to take his book off of site,and so far there have been hundreds of negative reviews written by people that have not even read the book.

[545lljkr]

The idea of "liberal fascism" is like saying "evolution doesn't exist". His book is mere propaganda.

[545lljkr]

"his webpage was hacked into,online book stores have been hacked to take his book off of site,and so far there have been hundreds of negative reviews written by people that have not even read the book."

hillsidepunk I've been reading this crap for a few days now, I got trough at least 40 pages, but it was so full of lies it made me puke. It's not my fault others have decided to silence him.

[unirover]

Proof positive that America is in decline. What a couple of no-nothings.

[captain07234]

I am glad that in today's partisan, divided America when many on the left call conservatives fascists, Goldberg had the fortitude,nay the courage to give a book a non divisive title like Liberal Fascism.

[FozzilinyMoo]

Nice sarcasm.

[captain07234]

Thank you, someone like Beck and his fans need it.

[t0nt01982]

you can find plenty of quotes from these mussolini/hitler and compare them to democrats and its pretty scary how simliar they are.

[vdizzle129]

Ss bad as that sounds, you're absolutely right. I'm reading that book now and I am both shocked, amazed, and frightened at the similarities, especially of the fact that fascism was "progressive" and there are candidates (some of which have a pretty damn good shot at getting the Oval Office) who literally call themselves progressives and have incredibly fascistic agendas.

[Adrasteia988]

and the beat goes on

[Adrasteia988]

The Führer, thought to embody the will of the German people, was given the authority to do whatever he thought was necessary in order to defend the German people and German nation. It was his responsibility to ensure that Germany not suffer as it had in the past. This then inclined people to accept his claims that it was necessary to use torture on enemies of the state — if causing them to suffer might prevent the German nation from having to suffer, it was easy exchange to make.