1 Nov 2009 - Open rebuke to Pastor Vincent Xavier, false prophet of New Wine Ministry

[ilsnowbird]

It's July 2010, and NO bomb happened in DC in Oct 2009. That says everything.

[lkevins1]

The real WORD is always refreshing!

[MrJonah25]

I knew Vinny long ago. We were called by God at about the same time. Even though I am not part of New Wine Ministries and have not spoke with Vincent in 26 years, I should have been teaching all this time and not trying to run away from God. So because of my rebellion and sins I have to offer my apology for what has occurred here. I ask that if anyone has been harmed because of Vincent please forgive me as well.

[hetgow]

@MrJonah25 Your forgiven! Just keep on the narrow road, follow Jesus and preach HIS gospel! Take care & God bless.

[aba2185]

but the real prophecy will never give us up never gonna let us down or fool around

[themaybatatter]

1 star for the annoying song. good video tho.

[shawnsent]

Prophecy has been full filled

You will hear wars and RUMORS of wars

[mrfellowship]

Your right but that does not nullify people like Earthquake Kelley, Perry Stone David Wilkerson, Mike Bickle, Dimitru Duduman , Michael Scheurer, Paul Williams, Janes Defence Report and Hamid Mir who ALL SAy we are going to get hit by a Nuclear Bomb. and SOON!

[hetgow]

Some of the ppl you listed have given prophesies that have not come to pass, nor have they repented of them; some have given multiple false prophesies.

Be careful who you support & follow

;)

[mrfellowship]

Hetgow

I know and you might be right about that they should repent, Wilkerson had said that he was wrong, I think back in 2000, but when 911 happened most people would have said see look there is the thousand fires I said would happen and most people would not have argued with him and said WOW what a great man of God what he said just happened, but Wilkerson said NO this is not what I saw, what I saw was much Much WORSE, so I would like to know what your thoughts are on Wilkerson?

[hetgow]

'Might be right about that they should repent'?!?

Scripture is extremely clear about repenting, asking forgiveness from God, brethren, false prophesy, false teaching, etc. There is no 'might' about it.

Some ppl on your list are braggin about their fellow prophets having a 10% success rate - but scripture shows that is not success in God's eyes. Its 100% or nothing. Repent or perish.

Seems like more testing against scripture is needed & that is all I have to say.

:)

[mrfellowship]

You did not answer my question about Wilkerson. 1990's Wilkerson prophecy said he saw 1,000 fires coming to New York Buildings in ruin,destructio we have not seen. 911 takes place and every body was saying Wilkerson your a prophet that was amazing you predicted 911, Then Wilkerson comes out and says no this aint it what I saw was Much WORSE, Im sorry but a false prophet would take credit and say yes "I was right" Not Wilkerson He said no!!! but Now Wilkerson said what he saw, is about to happen

[hetgow]

I will make a vid and talk a bit about DW and the prophesies he made.

:)

[mrfellowship]

I will look for it, thanks.

[NCDG83]

He got the money! I dont think he cares about other people callin him a false prophet. He made a big profit out of it and he must be laughin now to all the naive christians who sent him their money.

If people are falling for pimps now, how much more if its the ancient serpent? A great deception will happen and many will fall for it.

Im living in the midst of deceptions where you cant even trust no one, not even a pastor. I guess this is God's way of refining n testing the church(Jer 9:4-7)

[mrdinx]

Can't understand what you are saying with the other speaker talking and the music.

[hetgow]

Fact remains when I measured his words up against scripture it was found lacking to say the least. He is a false prophet and never once repented of sin.

In my other vids VX cant even say the word sin, but instead says 'wrongness'. Woe to those who go the way of balaam and those who call evil, good and good, evil.

[hetgow]

the part with VX and the music was made by someone else

;)

[agniyo]

I appreciated an earlier video of yours refuting Xavier, but I agree that this is a bit much. With so much suffering, ignorance, selfishness, poverty, sickness and hatred in the world, I perceive that rebuke is the easiest of the so-called "righteous" acts--and the least productive. After ten minutes, non-stop, I start to wonder whether the accuser prefers to love people or to condemn them.

Part of discernment is to parse the outright wicked from the foolish. Xavier is the latter, I believe.

[Fil0girl]

Look. It is people like him who make everyone afraid of allowing for any kind of prophecy today. why go easy on him? a true prophet even today makes sure he or she knows what is given is scriptural before giving it. And they don't usually give predictions either.

[baltimark]

All of us mishear God now and then. I will say just once more and then drop the issue: Christians should be very cautious in condemning one another. Those who are eager to condemn are setting up a culture that might well condemn them next. And is this the nasty sort of culture that Christ came to set up? Does Bible study make one as smart as God? Are we ever sure that God's opinion resembles our own? Just how much about God's ways do we really know? Let us be more humble and careful and loving.

[ASeedSower234]

Please give one instance in the Word of God where God says it's ok to give out an incorrect prophecy, and ok to make mistakes when saying we are speaking for Him.

Vincent Xavier repeatedly said, "I KNOW"

he lied.

Christ came to set up a kingdom based on the TRUTH, not mans error. God's ways are the ways of TRUTH, not error. If we LOVE one another we will speak the TRUTH, not error.

[baltimark]

There are 1000s of better Bible scholars than you and I are. And all of them disagree with one another. Your demand is only an attempt to shut down honest debate and the seeking of guidance in prayer on difficult issues. We wouldn't need to pray if the Bible were as clear as you mistake it to be. Xavier has been disappointing me in not addressing his failure directly. But he's implied that he misheard "October" when God told him only "soon". I'm still in prayer over this plausible explanation.

[ASeedSower234]

You did not respond to my question...you came out mud slinging, and accusing, as do all who have no answer when confronted with the TRUTH!.

Vincent Xavier is a FALSE PROPHET..period end of story! A liar and a deciever!

[baltimark]

I think that Xavier is in trouble. I think that he's on the verge of setting up a survival cult. But I also think that he loves Christ and that he's a great ministerial talent. God hangs tough with people. He sees their potential. You have your limits. I have my limits. But those aren't God's limits. Condemners of other Christians are speaking only for themselves. Expressing concern is fine. But don't presume that God's love is no stronger than yours is. I seek my truth from an unlimited Source.

[ASeedSower234]

You think he's on the verge of setting up a cult/ but he loves Jesus-NO he doesnt. Listen brother if we love God we keep His commandments. We don't dare speak for HIM when He has not spoken.

We speak the truth in love, but many do not love the truth.

Remember when you speak against Homosexuals your called a homosexual hater.

When you speak the truth about the RC church your called a catholic hater.

The Truth is hate to those who hate the truth!

[baltimark]

The irony is that I'm defending a man who'd join you in condemning me. I'm a pro-life charismatic Catholic. And I'm sure that the devil is pleased to see us social conservatives condemning one another instead of him. Who is the accuser of the brethren? Our charges against one another had better be 100% accurate. And I have yet to see any case in which they are. The havoc that we create among ourselves is gratuitous. Churches are like the world in that they persecute Christians. Who is our enemy?

[ASeedSower234]

We are all free (for now any way), to hold our own opinions, that still does not change the TRUTH of the WORD of GOD.

If we warn the wicked man of his wicked ways, his blood is not on our hands, but if we fail to warn the wicked man of his wicked ways and he die in his sin, then his blood is on our hands.

How's that for all warm and fuzzy?

That is the Word of God, and the children of God are to live according to HIS Word, not our own evil imaginations.

Vincent Xavier is a False Prophet!

[baltimark]

It's good to debate just from our sanctified hearts like ordinary people in Christ. But what's the right approach to Bible study? If we pray to become more effective ministers thereby, then our eyes are open to the message of Love. But if we seek instead to spite our enemies, then our eyes are open to ancient guidance on occult regularity. Meanwhile God is about ministerial effectiveness in the now. God is never fooled by would-be lawyers. One's truth must prove effective under ministerial test.

[hetgow]

You said "God is about ministerial effectiveness in the now"

Actually not true - Noah preached for 120 years w/out one convert. Prophets preached & brought the word of God that was ignored for decades & even longer. Israelites went after false gods & were slaves for hundreds of years.

Even in the NT we see few will enter the kingdom so its NOT about being effective but preaching the gospel, dying to self & following Him & His word.

Never does God put up w/ false teaching or false prophets.

[baltimark]

What God does is put up with all of us. And He loves your enemies no less than He loves you. How one thinks of God and approaches the Bible is a function of his motives for joining this religion in the first place. I want to initiate in everyone the process of knowing Christ. What direction that process takes is then God's business, not mine. I allow God absolute freedom to work His Will. I don't dare say to God that He can't do this or that. I just humbly watch in wonder at how effective He is.

[truthsintheword]

Steve, Press On, Fight the good fight.

I have been throough these battles before with the Hinnites, Bentleyites etc.

"touch not God's annointed," does not even apply in their case. (that needs to be read really in context)

They are either speaking a word directly given to them from God Himself OR they are deceived!

There is no other choice.

Being "mistaken" is not an option

Jim (truthsintheword)

[baltimark]

My former pastor might be considered a false prophet. She was often wrong. And she began to doubt whether she was hearing God or the devil. This worry then led to symptoms of psychosis. Many left her ministry in a huff. But I was careful to leave on good terms. I expressed only love. And I have never condemned her. God is leading her through a difficult process. I left a church in which Jesus remains. I humbly respect that fact. I'm calling for more care in these matters. No self-righteousness.

[daniel77210]

Wow. Do you really believe that the prophecy didn't occur because God canceled it? God changed His mind?

Look, if we don't have enough discernment to clearly identify Xavier as a false prophet, we will be lost when the really deceptive, clever ones come along. He is not a tremendous ministerial talent. Like I said, he was holding up numbers to a mirror and reading the reversed image to come up with dates for his prophecy. This case is a slam dunk. Not all ones will be this easy to discern.

[baltimark]

( God keeps me returning to this issue. ) I believe that both you and Xavier are real men of God. You are strong social conservatives. I like both of you. Xavier is a tremendous ministerial talent. And I believe that God is leading him through a dramatic passage of growth. Sometimes God cancels His prophecies. And then His prophets are left almost to twist in the wind. What now is our proper response? Is it to taunt and condemn? Or is it to understand and support and feel compassion? ( WWJD? )

[YeshuaMySavior]

Check out Brother hetgow's video "WWJD & other stuff"

[baltimark]

I have. And his opinion disappoints me. But I'm in disagreement with a good man. So hallelujah! Here's more instigation to pray. I intend to view all of his videos as God affords me the time. I strongly disagree with him on certain issues. But he's indeed my brother. So I humbly consider his ideas. We seem to part ways on a certain fundamental issue. He emphasizes regularizing. I emphasize growth. It's an honest debate. And God sets up such clashes so to promote humility and prayer among us.

[frankbob14121]

NO, don't tell me you are still on that poor man's back... You beast ! you only read the lines that is ok to you !! why don't you read the line of ... May the one who have never sins throw the first rock ! or help the one who needs help ! and more... you just keep kicking that man instaid of helping him !

you are realy the worst of man !

stay out !

[hetgow]

frankbob, you cursed me multiple time, called me the beast and bunch of other ad hominem attacks.

All I am doing is applying God's word to this situation. Your the one who is defending a false prophet. Hmmm... do I follow the bible that will last for eternity or you? Hmmm...

I guess I am going to obey scripture again and have nothing to do with you.

;)

[YeshuaMySavior]

Well said!! =)

[borninsalvation]

May the one who have never sins throw the first rock ! - doesn't apply to false teachers and corruption. since they know better. Scripture is clear on this.

Now i pray that they may turn and repent.

If this response is causing you to get upset, take time and see what God is saying in correlation to scripture.

at least consider it... remember "Iron Sharpens Iron". A false hireling doesn't point people to Christ /w with the word. but instead points to what tickles the ears and senses.

[daniel77210]

Yes, you're right. And its not even about condemning or throwing rocks, for me its about getting them out of the pulpit because they are harming souls.

Even that notorious Todd Bentley is planning a comeback. They think if they just "reflect" on the sidelines for a few months, then they are given free reign to retake the pulpit and start again.

[daniel77210]

I too feel for him as one Christian to another, but we cannot show tolerance for false prophecy, it damages souls.

He was warned many times to stop and he just lashed out, calling everyone who opposed him "barking dogs", and worse. A couple of months ago I downloaded a clip called "barking dogs" where he railed in a fury for 2 hours straight against people like hetgow and others who were trying to get him to see how he had strayed from the Biblical path.

[daniel77210]

The tipoff about him came on one broadcast awhile ago where he started discussing superstitious methods of discerning the exact date. He talked about? reading the mileage on the odometer of his car and taking the first few digits to come up with a day in October. Then he talked about holding up an image of the numerals representing the 911 event (11/09/01) up to a mirror and reading the mirror image and somehow getting 10/10/09 in the reflection.

True story. I downloaded from his archives.

[BenSeppi]

God is shaking Arkansas!! Check out the recent minor quakes that have hit in the northcentral part where Xavier is supposed to have his retreat!! Maybe God is trying to get HIS ATTENTION! GBU Hetgow for your sticking to the Word and alerting ppl AS the scripture says to. Some ppl JUST CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!

[hetgow]

thanks frankbob for removing the comments where you called me an azzhole a few times.

If you dont want to apologize, dont worry, your forgiven already.

:)

[frankbob14121]

I actualy think you are the beast !!! you are realy bad ! really really bad !!

[hetgow]

"I actualy think you are the beast !!!"

Wow frankbob13121 you call me the beast (of revelation) thats telling.

You claim warning ppl of false prophets is bad, but scripture commands it so ppl wont be deceived & end up in hell. Hmmm...

Your arguing, cursing, etc is all against scripture & no matter how much you rant, God's word will stand forever.

Plz rethink your position - your angrily supporting & arguing for a person who's been proven to be a false prophet!

Wake up before its too late.

[frankbob14121]

hey man you must have spent your hole week destructing this man's life... can you stop like all the rest of us is asking you ??

you are the worst man i have met in the internet... you don't give up untill someone is destroyed !!!

[hetgow]

So if no one said anything, then more ppl would be decieved by this false prophet and that would be better.

Yea that makes a lot of sense... NOT.

[memyselfandi650]

hi man its oke to warn poeple but its not oke to JUDGE think about it god bless you

[memyselfandi650]

15 Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man. 7So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

[hetgow]

What? your kidding me right?

Def. Judge (latin: jus = law, dicere = to say) to determine or declare after consideration or deliberation.

Lots of examples where we are to judge in accordance with God's word. I.e. judge a person's fruit - IOW words, deeds to include teachings & prophesies. Jesus even said "judge with righteous judgment".

God judges the thots & attitudes of the heart & one's salvation but we are to judge words & deeds so we can stay the narrow path & help our brothers.

;)

[alexrj2]

good. what about the other one? no more updates? he's saying that his city is holy and people have to go there. perhaps worse than vx

[hetgow]

wow who is that guy? I havent heard of him.

[alexrj2]

hello. sure you have heared about him. you even made videos about what he's doing. you exposed him and his "prophet" they aren't together anymore.

[hetgow]

if your speaking about fellowshipofthemartyrs i.e. Doug Perrry = fotm1 and Chris Evans =rancherforchrist, then yes.

Lots of false teaching, listening to deceptive spirits, etc.

[alexrj2]

yeah no more updates about the subject? end times we are close to the rapture a lot of false prophets will appear and are appearing to confuse the elected one's. they mix true and false and they like to appear as sheeps.

they are everywhere and we are now in the apostasy period.

i think God has already sent to them the error.

and they are in their delusion. but those who have the Holy Spirit can detect their strategies and expose them.

as the evil is growing so will do the false prophets

[memyselfandi650]

its oke to see who is a false prophet BUT its not oke to judge them the way u do, ONLY GOD CAN JUDGE MAN YOU GUYS NEED TO LEARN WAT THE WORD OF GOD is telling us about it, if one of u is without sin trow THE FIRST STONE if NOT be silent.......

[hetgow]

reread the scriptures - Jesus said to judge with righteous judgment and the disciples & NT believers were also commanded to test everything. To look at the fruit and see if it lines up with scripture.

Jesus also said to judge but dont be hypocritical in doing so. Since myself & others are not guilty of listening to false christs & deceptive spirits, then its ok to judge.

Again plz read the scriptures and you will see this is so.

[ProclaimHisWord]

Excellent message Steve.

[ASeedSower234]

This man and all those like him are so full of their own importance, arrogance and pride, and see themselves as so far above mere sheep, that they are unable to come under the convicting power of the HOLY GHOST..to true repentance!

[baltimark]

Xavier would join you in condemning a Christian like me. But I would condemn neither of you in turn. I think that both of you are very good men. Meanwhile I don't think that God intends for His Word to be used as such a blunt instrument. His thinking is not so crude. I'm sure there is some subtle basis of reasoning on which you and Xavier could commune as brothers. Are you willing to find it? He made a mistake and is growing. I'm tired of the way that we Christians only ever bully one another.

[SafeArmsReview]

so false prophesies are now a mistake? You make it sound like he is a new believer & not a pastor.

Hmmm....

The problem is many have gone to VX with scripture & he did not listen. Unfortunately this 'pastor' gave this prophecy in public, needed to be rebuked in public.

[Wivanunu]

It sounds like that scripture was written just for him....it describes him perfectly!

He needs to step down as a teacher.

[Moonbogg]

I can't help but feel compassion for him. Maybe I am being foolish, but part of me wants to hug him and tell him it will be OK.

[Moonbogg]

It would be easy to point out other false prophets and to make ourselves look in the process, but I say we focus on ourselves now as we are all certainly lacking. Vincent has been called out, I say we put the fire out now and let him untie himself from that wooden stake.

[KinsmenRedeemed]

Perverting the gospel of Christ for self gain and self exalting is just disgusting.

Remember the part about the ravening wolves anyone? Anyone picture a ravening wolf and think about how lethal it could be to an unguarded and defenselss prey?

There is no room to take this sort of thing lightly. Xavier needs to be exposed for the false teacher and scammer that he is.

Our duty is not to seek retribution but to alert the Body of Christ and others to be aware.

Great work brother!

[Utopiang]

AMEN and amen, brother. As a member of the Body of Christ I add my voice to the call for Xavier to step down as pastor and repent before a Holy God whom he has sinned against with false prophecies, idolatry and greed.

"Behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that use their tongues, and say, He saith." (Jeremiah 23:31)

God bless you for obeying the Lord's will (Ezekiel 33) and glorifying Christ.

[hetgow]

But if he is convicted by the Holy Spirit and repents, God will forgive.

:)

[lenachchanel]

We real followers of Christ don't need your interpretation of the Bible, we can read ourselves.

[hetgow]

If you can read then why are you silent about exposing false prophets that lead ppl to destruction?

That must mean its an obedience problem (BTDT).

Seek God and obey His word - do the work of an evangelist & snatch those from the fire of false teaching. Rebuke, correct & train in righteousness.

[lenachchanel]

..now go have some rest and take care of your own life. Stop giving ammunition to unbeliever

[hetgow]

No command to ignore false teaching under the guise of 'stop giving ammo to the unbelievers'.

Yes its a hard message but how many ppl have been infected by his false teaching & a deceptive spirit? Probably too many and that we cannot ignore.

[simone56]

lenachchanel you are an instrument of SATAN and you seriously need to repent. You follow this man, you will follow him into THE PIT.

[lenachchanel]

you had your minute of fame

[simone56]

This highly grieves my heart. Forgive Vincent Xavier Father, he doesn't know what he is doing.

[hetgow]

It grieves me too but where does ignorance ever excuse false prophesies and false teaching?

Simply it does not.

I mean this guy is a PASTOR - I could see if he was a naive and young believer but he is clearly a grown man. All the more for him to step down and get right with God, if he can.

:)

[simone56]

I TOTALLY 100% AGREE BROTHER!

He needs to step down IMMEDIATELY and anyone who is following him at this points WANTS to be deceived or is simply ignorant to the word of God.

All of these people who want to pervert the Gospel of Christ really grieve me. I have run into so many of them lately that it physically causes me pain.

Continue to contend for the faith brother! God bless you.

[inthebeloved]

God bless you Steve, for your diligence in presenting the truth and pointing out the false.

[NWOIS666]

TRUTH Prevails onca again, AMEIN ! !

[lenachchanel]

what is your problem? Isn't it bad enough what has happened to the name of "Christians" and you need to keep going with it...I am glad DC is standing but to tell the truth only God know for how long....

[hetgow]

So I should ignore scripture and not warn about false prophets.

Can you provide some in context scripture for that plz?

Your argument is with the WORD, not me.

[ChainsawCindy]

Very Nice thank you i needed that ,,,,,,,,,,