@lollygaggle Then why hide the camera's like that....people don't take much notice of signs......make the camera vans highly visible if you want to slow them down...what the police are doing there is nothing more than entrapment......allowing them to speed then pouncing....a nice little earner you could say.
@3603089 Hi, firstly there is no such thing as entrapment in UK law. That said. the above is the complete reverse as the police have gone to some lengths to create the most natural environment as opposed to anything designed to encourage speeding. Are you suggesting horseboxes makes motorists go faster?
ALL the money goes to central government, so no, not an earner in any way.
The object here is to detect high-end motorcyclists, not slow them down.
@lollygaggle OK so there is no official, legal recognition of the term entrapment in UK law, that doesn't mean it dosn't go on. and no I'm not suggesting horseboxes makes motorists go faster? I'm saying the police deliberately go to lengths to hide their camera's JUST to be sneeky and catch speeders.... and your comment "ALL the money goes to central government".....that's very much an earner (for the government) in my book.
@3603089 Hi, the above is actually a very tiny part of national speed enforcement operations & extremely unusual, designed to deal with a specific & localised speeding problem.
Actually, the vast majority of speed enforcement is the complete reverse of what you believe, brightly painted vehicles with very clear livery, parked right out in the open. Otherwise there would be dozens of such clips as above - where are they?
Illegal & hinged number plates & laser jammers aren't 'sneeky'?
@lollygaggle "Otherwise there would be dozens of such clips as above - where are they?" The camera's are well hidden dipshit, that's where they are.
"Illegal & hinged number plates & laser jammers aren't 'sneeky'?" No they are used to protect us from dipshit coppers like you collecting revenue for even bigger dipshits. The motoring public are fully aware that the camera's and piggy's that use em' are just revenue collectors. It's just a game to them bastards.
Absolutely Disgraceful behaviour. No wonder no one has respect for them any more. How to alienate the public in one easy move. Who ever thinks these things up should be dismissed immediately, if for nothing else than holding the opinion of the public with contempt. DISGUSTING!
@sagaciousknight The above was part of a specific operation targeted at high-end motorcyclists who habitually ignored the posted thresholds & travelled at more than twice the limit.
This video shows exactly how low the British police/law establishment will go to get revenue from easy targets, I wonder how much money that horse box cost to have a coffee and donut facilty fitted for the lardee boys, not to mention the swill dispenser
The above clip shows a very specific & targeted speed enforcement operation designed to target high-end speeding motorcycles. The section of carriageway in question is a notorious location for two wheeled users to ignore the posted thresholds, often moving at twice the legal limit.
Many measures had been taken to attempt to reduce the problem, covert enforcement being just one of many.
@lollygaggle covert entrapment in my book, false plates are back in fashion or it is probably safer to clone my bike as long as I know it is at least 300 miles away from me ....
@XTee500 Agreed, those motorcyclists who habitually ignore mandatory traffic signage only have the option to hide. This highlights the value of speed enforcement, for it identifies cloned vehicles & adds them to ANPR.
I would add that it creates potential huge issues for the registered keeper of the genuine original vehicle.
@lollygaggle Not really as long as you pick one that lives a few hundred miles from you, there are couple of guys I know have access to the PNC database so finding out the necessary information is quite easy. The legally registered keeper should be easily able to prove it wasnt him - different colour helmet etc etc
@XTee500 You simply haven't grasped the concept of the S172 requirement - the colour of the helmet is completely irrelevant.
The registered keeper must supply the details of the person at the time of the alleged offence. Just because they are informed that the helmet colour doesn't fit, will not stop the continuance of the process, it will go to court.
@XTee500 As we have already discussed, pointing out you own a different colour crash helmet, will not be enough to convince anyone that it wasn't your machine.
@XTee500 Of course, to stop a motorist with cloned plates is like Christmas for the officer/s. The punishment for driving with a cloned car is severe: no valid tax disc, no (or invalid) insurance, no registration document, no MOT, plus whatever else has been added by the cloner.
@lollygaggle But there is the fun as you state - to Stop, lets face it if you are on or in a cloned vehicle you have relatively little to lose, there are innocent people out there who unknowingly have cloned vehicles you are aware ?
In your previous comment, you clearly stated that 'you pick one', meaning that the intention exists, nothing to do with inadvertently purchasing a cloned vehicle.
Cloned vehicles owned by those who do not realise, very quickly bubble to the surface when insurance/tax is sought. The theft of DVLA log books a couple of years ago has done a lot to increase the numbers of cloned vehicles.
As pointed out to the Commons Transport Select Committee despite all the Police and Safety camera groups claims there have been no fall in serious road injuries treated in hospitals. In June 2006 the British Medical Journal reported that falling reporting levels (by the police) had accounted for the whole of the observed fall, as there had been no such fall in serious road injuries treated in hospitals.......
Google BMJ 10.1136/bmj.38883.593831.4F if you dont belive me - personally I would believe a doctor about 2 millions times more than anyone remotely connected with our masonic law enforcement (read - asshole) establishment
@XTee500 Just prior to my mum passing away, she called me to her bedside & whispered, 'You'll instantly know when someone has lost a debate the moment they resort to name calling'.
Through life, I have found that to be one of the truest observations ever detailed into language.
@lollygaggle - the dictionary definition of "name calling" is "when someone insults someone else by calling them rude names"
Now using adjectives to describe an establishment is an entirely different matter, especially as I was referring to the whole establishment not any one in particular. And it is neither rude or vulgar, it has a clearly defined dictionary meaning and it is in this context I employ the word.
@XTee500 You misconstrue, it isn't the recipients who are in question, it is the blatant literary usage, the inclusion of said derogatory term.
Given the nature of the pseudo-forum in which our exchanges take place, you have clearly resorted to using poorly judged vulgar expletives, & it is that context which has been judged.
The use of the term 'asshole' is unquestionably a nod to your inability to debate on a reasoned level. Nowhere have I ever stooped to such terminology.
@lollygaggle you said it was name calling and you were using it improperly, have you not heard the phrase "the law is an ass" - its from Charles Dickens you know.
your claims are invalid.
Your debating skills sometimes drop to the entrapment level where you repeatedly provoke people hoping for a reaction which is extremely childish and I see from your history on youtube that it is not a new trend. You manage to bring out some of the most strong reactions from people.
@XTee500 My sincerest apologies that you have been internally manipulated by my literary comments. It is unfortunate that many exist in the human equivalent of Thunderbirds, a life governed by the string pulling of others.
@lollygaggle Not at all I find this highly amusing, its actually Tracy Island I live on (no 'e') with Gordon etc we are still missing John (he is still on TB5)
How is life in Oceania ? Is the Ministry of Truth giving you much hassle ?
@XTee500 I am aware of the expression 'The law is an ass'. This implies that it is stubborn & inflexible.
The term 'asshole' however was not penned by Mr Dickens, it is a modernism, used as a vulgarity, making its first appearance as an insult term in a newspaper in 1965. You also used it in the same context within this very thread.
No amount of wriggling will change that.
You encourage criminal damage, use sub-standard terminology & have a self-confessed poor work record.
@lollygaggle Asshole means a stupid, mean, or contemptible person it is not vulgar and actually first used in 1865, no amount of your quibly will change that.
I do not encourage criminal damage (speed cameras excepted), my vocabulary is exceelent and my personall work record is second to none in my field.
@XTee500 By your logic Gary Gliiter could argue that he doesn't mess with anyone except children. You detailed how to carry out criminal damage, thus encourgaing its pursuance.
@lollygaggle whats encourging ? you are not in any position to judge anyones grammar
By your logic even the Omega man should be punished if he broke the speed limit. I never detailed how to carry out criminal damage - I just pointed out how to perform a similar action but in a HSE friendly way, no danger of getting burnt, no toxic fumes so in a funny way like you I am putting safety first - dont burn speed cameras just fill them full of tyreweld of course I could never condone this
@lollygaggle Whats encourging I repeat myself, name calling no - just naming what it is - as is. But which thread are you quoting me from ? the alzheimers is kicking in again but I probably stand by the description
You appear to be grasping at straws indeed I think you are getting tired by being treated the way you treat others, "Veni, Vedi, Vici"
@XTee500 Quite the contrary, I have never once used derogatory terminology, just cited accurate data acquired through experience.
I have seen countless individuals quote the 'revenue' mantra, with no clue as to the way it works & with not a single consideration as to the running costs.
If educating the misinformed is 'treatment', then consider yourself treated.
@eviIbreebIes I thought I was having a discourse with Lollygaggle but it seems I am now having same discourse with the same person under another alias mmmm how trustworthy is it first to accuse me of being the same person that you communicated with a year ago and now it turns out you are the one with 2 alias's lollgygaggle and evilbreebles - quite coincidentally typical of the modern methods employed in enforcing the law. Your communication ? - you are having a laugh ! - accurate ?
We dont see mobile speed cameras outside schools or old peoples homes, they are always sited where it is almost impossible to see them and where it is most likely they will catch a speeder i.e where a 60mph road turns into a 30mph road. Nearly impossible to slow down so they have you.They are usually sited on roads with no footpaths and no bends, therefore it is safe to speed and they know it. ITS ALL ABOUT GENERATING REVENUE FROM THE HARD PRESSED MOTORIST. Hi lolly
@XTee500 Revenue earners? Only the misinformed adhere to this type of thinking.
Speed enforcement has run at a loss since the hypothecation changes of Feb 2007 - it costs far more to run enforcement nationally than it generates. A camera processing unit can cost £200k a month to run but no-one ever considers this when they shout abot revenue.
That is why all funding was wirhdrawn earlier this year it was costing too much.
Dreary me Lollygaggle, you are boringly predictable, you always start with an insult and this time it is "misinformed" I would ask what makes you an expert but I think we all know the answer. The whole world is wrong and you are right, please enjoy your tiny world and leave us to have a healthy debate, I was told of your provocative behavior by several more senior Youtubers already.
I will not respond to your replies on this subject unless you start to be somewhat more subjective
Being misinformed is not the subject of insults, you simply lack accurate information. I do however acknowledge your desire to avoid any future literary interchange due to your limited exposure to the facts.
Google 'hypothecation netting off changes 2007 speed enforcement' - if only Mr Clarkson had done the same before openly going on record & highlighting his ignorance which the gullible take as gospel.
Now its gullible - its better than being boringly predicatable - I understand the netting off but do you understand the excess revenue goes to the treasury so motorists and the general public are paying for entrapment equipment throught their taxes etc to allow the government (whom I believe are in charge of aforesaid police) to get revenue from fines. Dont you look at the placement of some speed detection equipment and think now there hasnt been an accident here even but its a bloody busy road
Lollygaggle - now how gullible and misinformed do you feel, you are definitely one of the sheeple (a portmanteau of sheep and people - in case you didnt understand that)
Any more questions just ask, its how people learn after all - even the gullible, stupid and misinformed
1/ Why should I they can all read - if you feel it is required you can do it.
2/ You know very well those figues are very conveniently hard to come by but John Spellar stated in 2001 that new cameras will be introduced by using the excess funds off the existing speed cameras
3/ Yes there is and they admit it see press release 703 on the Association of british drivers website
@lollygaggle How typical of you, teddy out of the pram and ridicule, no the article was actually published in the Cambridge news. I have also seen unmarked police motorcyclists overtaking public motorcyclists and getting them to go faster then pulling them
You have no idea how to have a civilised debate do you ? I was not aware Cagney and Lacey entrapped speeders, I thought it was only the Bill
I have but there are several other websites which contradict this info try googling ''speed cameras parliament uk'' on this they admit having retained millions as early as 2001
@XTee500 Netting-off FINISHED in 2007, quoting figures from 2001 will evidence what exactly? All incentive was lost to maximise detections post the hypothecation changes & the government found themselves returning annual running costs that exceeded 'income'. You clearly have no clue how this works
@lollygaggle I am aware of how netting off worked and when it ceased but I am looking at this on a national level please go to thetaxpayersalliance and read their research document and tell me how may sad little men with vans and cameras could 74 Million fund
The reason the government recorded losses was the fact that like any beaurocratic public fepartment all of it was run inefficiently
@XTee500 Changing the subject? Multiply the money spent on the aftermath of road traffic collisions, fatalities & seriously injured (intensive care = £10k a day), & compare it to the peanuts collected via speed enforcement.
@lollygaggle Not all accidents are caused by excess speed and also police tend to use the phrase speed was a contributary factor - show me facts and figures, I am not one who goes by hearsay or conjecture, facts and figures, facts and figures - thats ALL that matters and so far you have given me nothing - other than to change the subject and involve RTAs by the way these went down when a certain town Swindon switched them off - how come Europes accidents are coming down faster ?
@XTee500 Unquestionably I agree, not all RTC's are the result of excessive speed - speed enforcement isn't about preventing collisions, with human beings behind the wheel this can never be stopped & that is an accepted given. The object is to reduce the impact velocity WHEN a crash takes place, thus reducing the level of physical trauma.
@XTee500 I have travelled extensively throughout Germany - we have relatives about 10 miles west of Berlin, Germany has a considerable network of speed cameras.
@XTee500 I have clearly stated, you have NO clue regarding costings;
A camera processing unit consists of vehicles, enforcement officers, viewing, prosecution & speed education teams. There are annual contracts for Gatso, RedSpeed, digital phone lines, software, indeterminate costs for destroyed housings, huge postage & stationery costs, film & its processing, calibration. Anything up to £0.4m A MONTH, there were 37 SCP's nationally.
As I have repeatedly replied - shown me the facts that have been audited. With 70-90 M coming in you can afford a staff or some 300-400 (total say 20M @ 50K/annum), give them 50 automobiles (600K to lease @ 1K/month) buy cameras say (10M and they should last 5 years) , ancillary contracts (say 10M) mm still have profit, what the heck lets double the staffing costs mmm nope still make a profit - who do you think you are kidding, show me a profit/loss sheet on the racket
@lollygaggle IP address - whos is it the same as then ? I cant think of anyone else who uses youtube in my house - I take it one IP address serves a house ?
@XTee500 You are clearly a highly biased individual, probably someone who has been the recipient of a NIP for exceeding a posted threshold. It is also most evident that you do not have any idea as what is involved in running an enforcement unit, some months there might be five torched housings that need replacing at £40k a time, this happens very often - taken nationally your 'must last 5 years' is poop.
My advice, is do some detailed research, then come back when you have more info.
I have never ever had an NIP so they dont mean anything to me. I regularely do over the speed limit on my drive to work but its legal on the Autobahn ..... as the speed limit is recommended only
oh I loved this little battle - NIP indeed - haven't had a ticket in my life
Give me facts and figures after you have done your research .... you sound like a frustrated person who sits in a car all day watching people go past enjoying themselves ....
@XTee500 It is not a battle from my perspective - you are simply being educated, although I acknowledge your desire to take a combatitive stance, the misinformed usually revert to the offensive in the light of truth.
@lollygaggle oooh but I think it is and it is tremendous fun to see you huffing and puffing - superb. You rather lost the plot tonight I thought it would be much more facts and figures than he said she said :)
Have I been offensive if so please tell me whe and I will explain our communication breakdown, I wish not to be merely factual. On reflection I must say some of your comments have verged on the inciteful but I am a calm and forgiving individual who believes live and let live is one course of life one should follow, especially where speeding is concerned (as long as its done safely and in the right conditions/area)
Jolly good then lets resume any format you care to put it in or just point me in the direction where it sits in the public domain, I have several colleagues in the UK who are also keen to evaluate it
BTW I note you did not reply on who you had the same conversation with or the comment about my IP address, really interested to hear more about that
Oh anything I can put into an Excel spreadsheet regarding the total costs generated by civilian operated speed entrapment for the whole of the UK against their itemised running costs including fixed asset depreciation - the normal things one sees on an Ernst and Young financial report - for any year in the last 3
The sort of thing our goverment will have .... the facists they are
Iremind you again about my questions about IP addess etc ... or was that meant to intimidate me ?
Mmm I suggest you scan it all in create a powerpoint presentation and post if on youtube as a slideshow, I will view it, glean such information as I see pertinent and post back my professional audit of aforesaid figures The only condition is that my post will remain public (if you want I quote you as source) but as it will be public domain info I cannot see you having any problem with that, someone might track down your IP address that
By the way, you maybe want to have one of your pils now, you appear to getting sarcastic during what I consider from my side to be an intellectual and stimulating debate
@XTee500 Professional audit? You are person who stated you hadn't heard of the ABD only ABM, then quoted The Association of British Drivers in the same post!
I will pass on assigning you any professional acknowledgement due to your track record.
Wny do you think the tax payers alliance makes no mention of running costs?
Oh dear, oh dear back to that one are we - at least I have told you part of my professional qualifications
Keep your information (probably some sad scrap book of cuttings from the Bournemouth Gazette) if your debating skills are anything to go by I am not missing much - it just means I can carry one believing what I know to be correct - its all one big scam. I shall continue to support all those who fight against the injustices of modern day policing of our roads
Where - numbers and figures - that is just your opinion - more and more fixed cameras are non operational according to my sources - and before you ask - no I wont tell you what my sources are. Just like you wont show me your circa 2000 sheets of toiletpaper
Let me put it this way, I old enough to have seen it all and have an open mind when people present opinions as facts or even facts but unsubstantiated, I have known several close friends killed on motorcycles and in cars including on on the racetrack and it has mostly been at low speeds and again mostly involving agricultural vehicles or mud on the road etc etc etc
@XTee500 I have not stated that I will not show you anything.
Absolutely, more & more fixed cameras are becoming redundant. It has been all over the media since April of this year when - wait for it - the funding was withdrawn because running costs were too high!!!!
Where? Mobile enforcement is rapidly replacing static enforcement - if you did some research you'd know this. Your sources are simply people who read newspapers.
@lollygaggle Also you appear to be a smidgeon frustrated when you refer to me as a highly biased individual, I am totally factual - if you show me a profit and loss sheet that shows I am wrong I will apologise - BTW did they not let you join the police force when you were 18 and you have spent the rest of your life wished you were one, watching the Bill, the old re runs of Z-Cars, Dixon of Dock Green etc etc wishing that you could have been of of the "boys" in Blue
@lollygaggle Any judicial system that has an addendum that does not automatically disqualify a prosecution where entrapment is used automatically approves of it. Other civiised european authorities do not have this in their judicial system. The police have been caught out several time with "plants" in green groups and by driving fast is front of a speeding car "encouraging" that driver to go faster ....
@XTee500 Cite the legislation where entrapment exists in UK law?
You still struggle with the same concepts - 99.9% of all speeding offences are detected by civilians, NOT serving police officers.
Plants in green groups? Ahhhh changing of the subject and not addressing any of my points okay I can accept that as acceptance of defeat thank you game, set and match.
@lollygaggle Back to insults, you would not make a good politician or police(wo)man
I see where you are falling down in your debating style, someone makes a mistake and thats what you focus on - not that facts mmmm lets see if we can improve that shall we
@XTee500 No, it was YOU who began the diatribe about the ABD - YOU tried picking me up on it believing I had made the mistake - it backfired & you have been left smarting.
@XTee500 So no figures supporting Mr Clarkson's claims, no legislation covering entrapment or explanation of netting-off, the sum total of your 'knowledge' coming from the unbiased ABD.
It's very simple - there is always this claim that the government is in it for the 'revenue', but the running costs are always conveniently forgotten, or simply ignored & since 2007, running costs have exceeded what has gone into the Treasury from fines. Even prior to the 2007 changes, it was peanuts.
@lollygaggle I love how you take these broad brushed assumption that my only source is the ABM (no idea what ABD is) Please read the taxpayersalliance look under speed camera
If what you spout is to believed then all of the financial information should be readily available so please point me in the direction of it, just because the government says it was a loss maker means nothing to me, they said Saddam had chemical weapons and that Bin Laden organised 911 - hohoho
@XTee500 You state; 'I love how you take these broad brushed assumption that my only source is the ABM (no idea what ABD is)'.
Perhaps you forgot you typed the following ealier in the thread, I quote;
'3/ ..see press release 703 on the Association of british drivers website'.
Could that be what ABD stands for?
I understand now why you complain about being compromised, you must struggle in any debating forum with such severe memory issues & all with no teddies being thrown.
@alastairellis No, definitely not. Equidae is the term used to define the family to which horses belong & that includes others such as zebras & donkeys. You were most specific - you cited 'horses'- it isn't a 'zebra box'.
Such operations as above reduce the number of chases, as the evidence is recorded to a visual media such as DVD & the alleged offence dealt with via a postal NIP.
FlyingFox1971 I very much doubt he has any thing to do with law enforcement,he gets all his information from the internet, i feel he is a very sad lonely individual with nothing better to do with his time. Hes been argueing with anyone & anyone on this post for about 2 years . Hes obviously a non driver so these issues do not affect him. Hope this helps to clear up your questions flyingfox1971
Good for the Goose good for the Gander - who polices our police
According to a recent report from the Police Complaints Authority, the number of people killed or injured in a police accident during vehicle chases more than tripled over a period of just a few years. Research conducted by the authority found that the police frequently engage in unnecessary and dangerous high-speed chases.
The motorist....easy money! And I don't agree with speeding in excess,but who is the danger on the road? the one driving at 40 in 60 limit,or the one who is trying to overtake the car that is going to slow.
@alastairellis Breath testing kit equally doesn't detect those above the posted thresholds. Yes,speed enforcement operations also looks at the insurance held, as the VRM is fed into the insurance database & of course, no insurance cover = no MOT.
Hope that helps.
Any more questions, just ask - it is how people learn after all.
@alastairellis The black corsa is just as dangerous as what? It overtook = a perfectly legal manoeuvre as long as the posted threshold wasn't exceeded & oncoming traffic wasn't compromised. What is the danger you mention?
No-one cares what you think about covert operations.
@alastairellis Have you ever attended a road traffic collision in an official capacity? To see a child with her brains in the lap of her party dress, all as the result of a speeding motorist - what defence do you offer regarding motorists who ignore posted thresholds?
@alastairellis The child was 17 years ago, the policing climate way different.
The above clip was part of a targeted operation designed to detect & prosecute high-end motorcyclists. These individuals completely ignore posted thresholds & covert enforcement is an excellent method of acquiring the relevant information to get them banned.
I ask again, what defence do you offer regarding those who ignore mandatory signage?
When you learn to drive, you will learn all that is required.
Virtually every constabulary has now signed up to the national scheme, meaning there will be a dramatic increase in mobile enforcement operated by civilians. The object is to generate the missing funding via fees from speed awareness courses, so many more cameras with no warning signs.
Hey lollgaggle are you some king of traffic enforcement spokesman for the police ? Have you been appointed officially to engage in a debate with members of the public regarding traffic enforcement policy ? Are your superiors aware of your Youtube activity ?
@FlyingFox1971 I very much doubt he has any thing to do with law enforcement,he gets all his information from the internet, i feel he is a very sad lonely individual with nothing better to do with his time. Hes been argueing with anyone & anyone on this post for about 2 years . Hes obviously a non driver so these issues do not affect him. Hope this helps to clear up your questions flyingfox1971
WTF crafty bastards...with tactics like this they don't deserve any respect...it's just not cricket old chap.
3603089 1 week ago
@3603089 Hi, no it's a situation that those who ignore posted thresholds have steered themselves.
lollygaggle 1 week ago
@lollygaggle Then why hide the camera's like that....people don't take much notice of signs......make the camera vans highly visible if you want to slow them down...what the police are doing there is nothing more than entrapment......allowing them to speed then pouncing....a nice little earner you could say.
3603089 1 week ago
@3603089 Hi, firstly there is no such thing as entrapment in UK law. That said. the above is the complete reverse as the police have gone to some lengths to create the most natural environment as opposed to anything designed to encourage speeding. Are you suggesting horseboxes makes motorists go faster?
ALL the money goes to central government, so no, not an earner in any way.
The object here is to detect high-end motorcyclists, not slow them down.
lollygaggle 1 week ago
@lollygaggle OK so there is no official, legal recognition of the term entrapment in UK law, that doesn't mean it dosn't go on. and no I'm not suggesting horseboxes makes motorists go faster? I'm saying the police deliberately go to lengths to hide their camera's JUST to be sneeky and catch speeders.... and your comment "ALL the money goes to central government".....that's very much an earner (for the government) in my book.
3603089 5 days ago
@3603089 Hi, the above is actually a very tiny part of national speed enforcement operations & extremely unusual, designed to deal with a specific & localised speeding problem.
Actually, the vast majority of speed enforcement is the complete reverse of what you believe, brightly painted vehicles with very clear livery, parked right out in the open. Otherwise there would be dozens of such clips as above - where are they?
Illegal & hinged number plates & laser jammers aren't 'sneeky'?
lollygaggle 4 days ago
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@lollygaggle "Otherwise there would be dozens of such clips as above - where are they?" The camera's are well hidden dipshit, that's where they are.
"Illegal & hinged number plates & laser jammers aren't 'sneeky'?" No they are used to protect us from dipshit coppers like you collecting revenue for even bigger dipshits. The motoring public are fully aware that the camera's and piggy's that use em' are just revenue collectors. It's just a game to them bastards.
eltonman123 10 hours ago
@lollygaggle Oink! Oink! little corporate Piggy. I smell a "spit roast" cooking, where all little Piggy's should be cooked.
eltonman123 10 hours ago
@3603089 Hi, what is the definition of 'entrapment' you are using & how does the above clip fit that definition?
lollygaggle 1 day ago
@lollygaggle Are you blind as well as stupid? Don't bother answering that I can guess.
The video speaks for itself. And what makes you such an authority on the subject anyway? are you a copper?
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eltonman123 10 hours ago
@eltonman123 I agree.....100%
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eltonman123 10 hours ago
Absolutely Disgraceful behaviour. No wonder no one has respect for them any more. How to alienate the public in one easy move. Who ever thinks these things up should be dismissed immediately, if for nothing else than holding the opinion of the public with contempt. DISGUSTING!
sagaciousknight 2 weeks ago
@sagaciousknight The above was part of a specific operation targeted at high-end motorcyclists who habitually ignored the posted thresholds & travelled at more than twice the limit.
Why exactly do you think it was full of disgrace?
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alastairellis 1 month ago
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If anyone wants cheering up look at this link to see how many cameras have been dealt with already, power to the people - live free
speedcam .co .uk /gatso2.htm
XTee500 1 month ago
This video shows exactly how low the British police/law establishment will go to get revenue from easy targets, I wonder how much money that horse box cost to have a coffee and donut facilty fitted for the lardee boys, not to mention the swill dispenser
XTee500 1 month ago
@XTee500 Hi, I understand your obvious confusion.
The above clip shows a very specific & targeted speed enforcement operation designed to target high-end speeding motorcycles. The section of carriageway in question is a notorious location for two wheeled users to ignore the posted thresholds, often moving at twice the legal limit.
Many measures had been taken to attempt to reduce the problem, covert enforcement being just one of many.
lollygaggle 1 month ago
@lollygaggle covert entrapment in my book, false plates are back in fashion or it is probably safer to clone my bike as long as I know it is at least 300 miles away from me ....
XTee500 1 month ago
@XTee500 Agreed, those motorcyclists who habitually ignore mandatory traffic signage only have the option to hide. This highlights the value of speed enforcement, for it identifies cloned vehicles & adds them to ANPR.
I would add that it creates potential huge issues for the registered keeper of the genuine original vehicle.
lollygaggle 1 month ago
@lollygaggle Not really as long as you pick one that lives a few hundred miles from you, there are couple of guys I know have access to the PNC database so finding out the necessary information is quite easy. The legally registered keeper should be easily able to prove it wasnt him - different colour helmet etc etc
XTee500 1 month ago
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@XTee500 You simply haven't grasped the concept of the S172 requirement - the colour of the helmet is completely irrelevant.
The registered keeper must supply the details of the person at the time of the alleged offence. Just because they are informed that the helmet colour doesn't fit, will not stop the continuance of the process, it will go to court.
lollygaggle 1 month ago 14
@XTee500 As we have already discussed, pointing out you own a different colour crash helmet, will not be enough to convince anyone that it wasn't your machine.
lollygaggle 1 month ago 7
@XTee500 Of course, to stop a motorist with cloned plates is like Christmas for the officer/s. The punishment for driving with a cloned car is severe: no valid tax disc, no (or invalid) insurance, no registration document, no MOT, plus whatever else has been added by the cloner.
lollygaggle 1 month ago
@lollygaggle But there is the fun as you state - to Stop, lets face it if you are on or in a cloned vehicle you have relatively little to lose, there are innocent people out there who unknowingly have cloned vehicles you are aware ?
XTee500 1 month ago
@XTee500 Hi, just a point.
In your previous comment, you clearly stated that 'you pick one', meaning that the intention exists, nothing to do with inadvertently purchasing a cloned vehicle.
Cloned vehicles owned by those who do not realise, very quickly bubble to the surface when insurance/tax is sought. The theft of DVLA log books a couple of years ago has done a lot to increase the numbers of cloned vehicles.
lollygaggle 1 month ago
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As pointed out to the Commons Transport Select Committee despite all the Police and Safety camera groups claims there have been no fall in serious road injuries treated in hospitals. In June 2006 the British Medical Journal reported that falling reporting levels (by the police) had accounted for the whole of the observed fall, as there had been no such fall in serious road injuries treated in hospitals.......
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@XTee500 Quote; '....claims there have been no fall..'.
Quote; '..had accounted for the whole of the observed fall..'.
Sources please?
lollygaggle 1 month ago
Google BMJ 10.1136/bmj.38883.593831.4F if you dont belive me - personally I would believe a doctor about 2 millions times more than anyone remotely connected with our masonic law enforcement (read - asshole) establishment
XTee500 1 month ago
@XTee500 Just prior to my mum passing away, she called me to her bedside & whispered, 'You'll instantly know when someone has lost a debate the moment they resort to name calling'.
Through life, I have found that to be one of the truest observations ever detailed into language.
lollygaggle 1 month ago
@lollygaggle - the dictionary definition of "name calling" is "when someone insults someone else by calling them rude names"
Now using adjectives to describe an establishment is an entirely different matter, especially as I was referring to the whole establishment not any one in particular. And it is neither rude or vulgar, it has a clearly defined dictionary meaning and it is in this context I employ the word.
XTee500 1 month ago
@XTee500 You misconstrue, it isn't the recipients who are in question, it is the blatant literary usage, the inclusion of said derogatory term.
Given the nature of the pseudo-forum in which our exchanges take place, you have clearly resorted to using poorly judged vulgar expletives, & it is that context which has been judged.
The use of the term 'asshole' is unquestionably a nod to your inability to debate on a reasoned level. Nowhere have I ever stooped to such terminology.
lollygaggle 1 month ago
@lollygaggle you said it was name calling and you were using it improperly, have you not heard the phrase "the law is an ass" - its from Charles Dickens you know.
your claims are invalid.
Your debating skills sometimes drop to the entrapment level where you repeatedly provoke people hoping for a reaction which is extremely childish and I see from your history on youtube that it is not a new trend. You manage to bring out some of the most strong reactions from people.
XTee500 1 month ago
@XTee500 My sincerest apologies that you have been internally manipulated by my literary comments. It is unfortunate that many exist in the human equivalent of Thunderbirds, a life governed by the string pulling of others.
What's the weather like on Tracey Island?
lollygaggle 1 month ago
@lollygaggle Not at all I find this highly amusing, its actually Tracy Island I live on (no 'e') with Gordon etc we are still missing John (he is still on TB5)
How is life in Oceania ? Is the Ministry of Truth giving you much hassle ?
XTee500 1 month ago
@XTee500 I am aware of the expression 'The law is an ass'. This implies that it is stubborn & inflexible.
The term 'asshole' however was not penned by Mr Dickens, it is a modernism, used as a vulgarity, making its first appearance as an insult term in a newspaper in 1965. You also used it in the same context within this very thread.
No amount of wriggling will change that.
You encourage criminal damage, use sub-standard terminology & have a self-confessed poor work record.
lollygaggle 1 month ago
@lollygaggle Asshole means a stupid, mean, or contemptible person it is not vulgar and actually first used in 1865, no amount of your quibly will change that.
I do not encourage criminal damage (speed cameras excepted), my vocabulary is exceelent and my personall work record is second to none in my field.
XTee500 1 month ago
@XTee500 by the way the typos were deliberate before you comment
XTee500 1 month ago
@XTee500 By your logic Gary Gliiter could argue that he doesn't mess with anyone except children. You detailed how to carry out criminal damage, thus encourgaing its pursuance.
Your typos were deliberate.
Yes, of course they were.
'my vocabulary is exceelent'.
lollygaggle 1 month ago
@lollygaggle whats encourging ? you are not in any position to judge anyones grammar
By your logic even the Omega man should be punished if he broke the speed limit. I never detailed how to carry out criminal damage - I just pointed out how to perform a similar action but in a HSE friendly way, no danger of getting burnt, no toxic fumes so in a funny way like you I am putting safety first - dont burn speed cameras just fill them full of tyreweld of course I could never condone this
XTee500 1 month ago
@XTee500 Hi thanks for responding;
No, you clearly detailed how to carry out criminal damage.
My logic? I have not condoned speed enforcement, merely corrected your misinformed version of funding.
Oh, & 'lollygaggle is a total idiot ........in short he is a police horses arse'.
As I have clearly pointed out & you have denied, name calling pure & simple.
lollygaggle 1 month ago
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@lollygaggle Whats encourging I repeat myself, name calling no - just naming what it is - as is. But which thread are you quoting me from ? the alzheimers is kicking in again but I probably stand by the description
You appear to be grasping at straws indeed I think you are getting tired by being treated the way you treat others, "Veni, Vedi, Vici"
XTee500 1 month ago
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@XTee500 Quite the contrary, I have never once used derogatory terminology, just cited accurate data acquired through experience.
I have seen countless individuals quote the 'revenue' mantra, with no clue as to the way it works & with not a single consideration as to the running costs.
If educating the misinformed is 'treatment', then consider yourself treated.
eviIbreebIes 1 month ago
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@eviIbreebIes I thought I was having a discourse with Lollygaggle but it seems I am now having same discourse with the same person under another alias mmmm how trustworthy is it first to accuse me of being the same person that you communicated with a year ago and now it turns out you are the one with 2 alias's lollgygaggle and evilbreebles - quite coincidentally typical of the modern methods employed in enforcing the law. Your communication ? - you are having a laugh ! - accurate ?
XTee500 1 month ago
@lollygaggle Oink! Oink! Mr (corporate) Piggy......Phew!!!!! Something stinks round here.
eltonman123 10 hours ago
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@lollygaggle Oink! Oink! Mr (corporate) Piggy.......Phew!!!!! Something stinks round here.
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Search on the following - Speed camera politics - Top Gear - BBC
XTee500 1 month ago
How much revenue went into The Treasury last year from speed enforcement in the UK AFTER running costs were deducted?
lollygaggle 1 month ago
@lollygaggle If speed enforcement makes the Government so much money - why has funding been withdrawn?
lollygaggle 1 month ago
Political reasons you do know whom Jezza is close friends with dont you - its all down to pop-politicians
XTee500 1 month ago
You tell me
XTee500 1 month ago
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XTee500 1 month ago
Search on the following - Speed camera politics - Top Gear - BBC
XTee500 1 month ago
We dont see mobile speed cameras outside schools or old peoples homes, they are always sited where it is almost impossible to see them and where it is most likely they will catch a speeder i.e where a 60mph road turns into a 30mph road. Nearly impossible to slow down so they have you.They are usually sited on roads with no footpaths and no bends, therefore it is safe to speed and they know it. ITS ALL ABOUT GENERATING REVENUE FROM THE HARD PRESSED MOTORIST. Hi lolly
stephsdad1 1 month ago
do a youtube search on this and you will see why they do this
Top Gear - Jeremy Clarkson talks speed camera politics - BBC
They are revenue generating thats all they are - simple
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@XTee500 Totally agree - shame some are blinkered
alastairellis 1 month ago
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alastairellis 1 month ago
@XTee500 Revenue earners? Only the misinformed adhere to this type of thinking.
Speed enforcement has run at a loss since the hypothecation changes of Feb 2007 - it costs far more to run enforcement nationally than it generates. A camera processing unit can cost £200k a month to run but no-one ever considers this when they shout abot revenue.
That is why all funding was wirhdrawn earlier this year it was costing too much.
lollygaggle 1 month ago
Dreary me Lollygaggle, you are boringly predictable, you always start with an insult and this time it is "misinformed" I would ask what makes you an expert but I think we all know the answer. The whole world is wrong and you are right, please enjoy your tiny world and leave us to have a healthy debate, I was told of your provocative behavior by several more senior Youtubers already.
I will not respond to your replies on this subject unless you start to be somewhat more subjective
XTee500 1 month ago
@XTee500 Dreary you?
Being misinformed is not the subject of insults, you simply lack accurate information. I do however acknowledge your desire to avoid any future literary interchange due to your limited exposure to the facts.
Google 'hypothecation netting off changes 2007 speed enforcement' - if only Mr Clarkson had done the same before openly going on record & highlighting his ignorance which the gullible take as gospel.
lollygaggle 1 month ago
Now its gullible - its better than being boringly predicatable - I understand the netting off but do you understand the excess revenue goes to the treasury so motorists and the general public are paying for entrapment equipment throught their taxes etc to allow the government (whom I believe are in charge of aforesaid police) to get revenue from fines. Dont you look at the placement of some speed detection equipment and think now there hasnt been an accident here even but its a bloody busy road
XTee500 1 month ago
Lollygaggle - now how gullible and misinformed do you feel, you are definitely one of the sheeple (a portmanteau of sheep and people - in case you didnt understand that)
Any more questions just ask, its how people learn after all - even the gullible, stupid and misinformed
XTee500 1 month ago
@XTee500 Explain netting-off for those who do not?
Cite the figures (excess) that equate to profit for the government & your sources?
There is no such thing as entrapment in UK law.
lollygaggle 1 month ago
1/ Why should I they can all read - if you feel it is required you can do it.
2/ You know very well those figues are very conveniently hard to come by but John Spellar stated in 2001 that new cameras will be introduced by using the excess funds off the existing speed cameras
3/ Yes there is and they admit it see press release 703 on the Association of british drivers website
XTee500 1 month ago
@XTee500 I see, so your evidence of entrapment is the ABD website.
In UK law, there is no such thing as entrapment = you've watched too much Cagney & Lacey.
lollygaggle 1 month ago
@lollygaggle How typical of you, teddy out of the pram and ridicule, no the article was actually published in the Cambridge news. I have also seen unmarked police motorcyclists overtaking public motorcyclists and getting them to go faster then pulling them
You have no idea how to have a civilised debate do you ? I was not aware Cagney and Lacey entrapped speeders, I thought it was only the Bill
XTee500 1 month ago
@XTee500 I have supplied questions.
lollygaggle 1 month ago
I have replied but you havent
XTee500 1 month ago
@XTee500 There doesn't have to have been collisions resulting in KSI's for speed enforcement operations to take place.
Why do you believe that?
lollygaggle 1 month ago
@XTee500 Google 'are speed cameras simply cash cows' - read the f'actcheck' link - it even contains partnership account figures.
lollygaggle 1 month ago
I have but there are several other websites which contradict this info try googling ''speed cameras parliament uk'' on this they admit having retained millions as early as 2001
XTee500 1 month ago
@XTee500 Netting-off FINISHED in 2007, quoting figures from 2001 will evidence what exactly? All incentive was lost to maximise detections post the hypothecation changes & the government found themselves returning annual running costs that exceeded 'income'. You clearly have no clue how this works
lollygaggle 1 month ago
@lollygaggle I am aware of how netting off worked and when it ceased but I am looking at this on a national level please go to thetaxpayersalliance and read their research document and tell me how may sad little men with vans and cameras could 74 Million fund
The reason the government recorded losses was the fact that like any beaurocratic public fepartment all of it was run inefficiently
Clearly Sir you dont like being wrong
XTee500 1 month ago
@XTee500 just to be sure
taxpayersalliance com/speedcameras.pdf
XTee500 1 month ago
@XTee500 A typical fatality resulting from a road traffic collision currently costs @ £1.2m.
lollygaggle 1 month ago
Ahhhh changing of the subject and not addressing any of my points okay I can accept that as acceptance of defeat thank you game, set and match
Revenue generators they are !!!
XTee500 1 month ago
@XTee500 Changing the subject? Multiply the money spent on the aftermath of road traffic collisions, fatalities & seriously injured (intensive care = £10k a day), & compare it to the peanuts collected via speed enforcement.
No legislation yet concerning entrapment I note.
Just to be sure;
ABD = Association of British DRIVERS.
lollygaggle 1 month ago
@lollygaggle Not all accidents are caused by excess speed and also police tend to use the phrase speed was a contributary factor - show me facts and figures, I am not one who goes by hearsay or conjecture, facts and figures, facts and figures - thats ALL that matters and so far you have given me nothing - other than to change the subject and involve RTAs by the way these went down when a certain town Swindon switched them off - how come Europes accidents are coming down faster ?
XTee500 1 month ago
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@XTee500 Unquestionably I agree, not all RTC's are the result of excessive speed - speed enforcement isn't about preventing collisions, with human beings behind the wheel this can never be stopped & that is an accepted given. The object is to reduce the impact velocity WHEN a crash takes place, thus reducing the level of physical trauma.
Your post is a very common misconception.
lollygaggle 1 month ago
@XTee500 Which European countries?
lollygaggle 1 month ago
@lollygaggle Germany ....
XTee500 1 month ago
@XTee500 I have travelled extensively throughout Germany - we have relatives about 10 miles west of Berlin, Germany has a considerable network of speed cameras.
lollygaggle 1 month ago
@XTee500 ABD = Association of British DRIVERS.
No comment???
lollygaggle 1 month ago
@XTee500 I have clearly stated, you have NO clue regarding costings;
A camera processing unit consists of vehicles, enforcement officers, viewing, prosecution & speed education teams. There are annual contracts for Gatso, RedSpeed, digital phone lines, software, indeterminate costs for destroyed housings, huge postage & stationery costs, film & its processing, calibration. Anything up to £0.4m A MONTH, there were 37 SCP's nationally.
Quote the UK legislation that cites entrapment?
lollygaggle 1 month ago
As I have repeatedly replied - shown me the facts that have been audited. With 70-90 M coming in you can afford a staff or some 300-400 (total say 20M @ 50K/annum), give them 50 automobiles (600K to lease @ 1K/month) buy cameras say (10M and they should last 5 years) , ancillary contracts (say 10M) mm still have profit, what the heck lets double the staffing costs mmm nope still make a profit - who do you think you are kidding, show me a profit/loss sheet on the racket
XTee500 1 month ago
@XTee500 You typed virtually the same thing about 18months ago when we had the same conversation then, & you still don't get it.
Just to be sure;
ABD = Association of British DRIVERS.
lollygaggle 1 month ago
Well I dont know who you were talking to 18 months ago - I just joined Youtube maybe 3 weeks ago and I would remember this debate !!
ABD - okay you got me there I typed in assoc. brit motorists and it comes straight to ABD link - I give in on that one alone :)
XTee500 1 month ago
@XTee500 Your IP address tells another story.
lollygaggle 1 month ago
@lollygaggle IP address - whos is it the same as then ? I cant think of anyone else who uses youtube in my house - I take it one IP address serves a house ?
XTee500 1 month ago
@XTee500 You are clearly a highly biased individual, probably someone who has been the recipient of a NIP for exceeding a posted threshold. It is also most evident that you do not have any idea as what is involved in running an enforcement unit, some months there might be five torched housings that need replacing at £40k a time, this happens very often - taken nationally your 'must last 5 years' is poop.
My advice, is do some detailed research, then come back when you have more info.
lollygaggle 1 month ago
I have never ever had an NIP so they dont mean anything to me. I regularely do over the speed limit on my drive to work but its legal on the Autobahn ..... as the speed limit is recommended only
oh I loved this little battle - NIP indeed - haven't had a ticket in my life
Give me facts and figures after you have done your research .... you sound like a frustrated person who sits in a car all day watching people go past enjoying themselves ....
Why do you think cameras are burnt
XTee500 1 month ago
@XTee500 Cameras are burnt primarily to destroy evidence - people hate having their mistakes highlighted which you know all so well:
ABD = Association of British DRIVERS.
lollygaggle 1 month ago
@lollygaggle told you I surrender on that ONE point - how about all the msitakes you have made ?
XTee500 1 month ago
@XTee500 It is not a battle from my perspective - you are simply being educated, although I acknowledge your desire to take a combatitive stance, the misinformed usually revert to the offensive in the light of truth.
lollygaggle 1 month ago
@lollygaggle oooh but I think it is and it is tremendous fun to see you huffing and puffing - superb. You rather lost the plot tonight I thought it would be much more facts and figures than he said she said :)
XTee500 1 month ago
Have I been offensive if so please tell me whe and I will explain our communication breakdown, I wish not to be merely factual. On reflection I must say some of your comments have verged on the inciteful but I am a calm and forgiving individual who believes live and let live is one course of life one should follow, especially where speeding is concerned (as long as its done safely and in the right conditions/area)
XTee500 1 month ago
@XTee500 I am not emotionally fixated regarding the use of 'offense', that is your domain.
What format are you requesting evidence in?
lollygaggle 1 month ago
Jolly good then lets resume any format you care to put it in or just point me in the direction where it sits in the public domain, I have several colleagues in the UK who are also keen to evaluate it
BTW I note you did not reply on who you had the same conversation with or the comment about my IP address, really interested to hear more about that
XTee500 1 month ago
@XTee500 I will ask again - what format & precisely what information?
lollygaggle 1 month ago
Oh anything I can put into an Excel spreadsheet regarding the total costs generated by civilian operated speed entrapment for the whole of the UK against their itemised running costs including fixed asset depreciation - the normal things one sees on an Ernst and Young financial report - for any year in the last 3
The sort of thing our goverment will have .... the facists they are
Iremind you again about my questions about IP addess etc ... or was that meant to intimidate me ?
XTee500 1 month ago
@XTee500 If you feel intimidated by simple words in such forums, then there are excellent non-addictive remedies from high st health shops.
I have all the information in front of me. What now?
lollygaggle 1 month ago
Mmm I suggest you scan it all in create a powerpoint presentation and post if on youtube as a slideshow, I will view it, glean such information as I see pertinent and post back my professional audit of aforesaid figures The only condition is that my post will remain public (if you want I quote you as source) but as it will be public domain info I cannot see you having any problem with that, someone might track down your IP address that
Purely for use on this entertainment website
XTee500 1 month ago
By the way, you maybe want to have one of your pils now, you appear to getting sarcastic during what I consider from my side to be an intellectual and stimulating debate
XTee500 1 month ago
@XTee500 I do not drink alcohol.
The information covers seven years & comprises @ 2000 documents.
lollygaggle 1 month ago
@lollygaggle So what or is you have zero to back up your biased opinion ?
XTee500 1 month ago
@XTee500 Nothing I have stated has been based upon opinion.
lollygaggle 1 month ago
Thats your opinion but you are somewhat blinkered though
XTee500 1 month ago
@XTee500 Professional audit? You are person who stated you hadn't heard of the ABD only ABM, then quoted The Association of British Drivers in the same post!
I will pass on assigning you any professional acknowledgement due to your track record.
Wny do you think the tax payers alliance makes no mention of running costs?
lollygaggle 1 month ago
Oh dear, oh dear back to that one are we - at least I have told you part of my professional qualifications
Keep your information (probably some sad scrap book of cuttings from the Bournemouth Gazette) if your debating skills are anything to go by I am not missing much - it just means I can carry one believing what I know to be correct - its all one big scam. I shall continue to support all those who fight against the injustices of modern day policing of our roads
XTee500 1 month ago
@XTee500 Can you elaborate how your 'support' has impacted the dramatic increase in mobile enforcement in the past six months?
lollygaggle 1 month ago
Where - numbers and figures - that is just your opinion - more and more fixed cameras are non operational according to my sources - and before you ask - no I wont tell you what my sources are. Just like you wont show me your circa 2000 sheets of toiletpaper
This is such good fun - going to sleep soon ?
XTee500 1 month ago
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@XTee500 Nothing I have stated has been based upon opinion.
lollygaggle 1 month ago
@lollygaggle thats your opinion
XTee500 1 month ago
@XTee500 Nope - everything based upon hard facts borne out of experience.
You?
lollygaggle 1 month ago
Let me put it this way, I old enough to have seen it all and have an open mind when people present opinions as facts or even facts but unsubstantiated, I have known several close friends killed on motorcycles and in cars including on on the racetrack and it has mostly been at low speeds and again mostly involving agricultural vehicles or mud on the road etc etc etc
XTee500 1 month ago
@XTee500 I have told you - because it was in the red not the black.
lollygaggle 1 month ago
@XTee500 I have not stated that I will not show you anything.
Absolutely, more & more fixed cameras are becoming redundant. It has been all over the media since April of this year when - wait for it - the funding was withdrawn because running costs were too high!!!!
Where? Mobile enforcement is rapidly replacing static enforcement - if you did some research you'd know this. Your sources are simply people who read newspapers.
It is ALL about running costs.
lollygaggle 1 month ago
@lollygaggle not in Scotland, are you merely talking about the lesser county of Englandshire and Wales where those crazy CoP live ?
XTee500 1 month ago
@XTee500 Don't your sources know?.
lollygaggle 1 month ago
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@XTee500 Nothing I have stated has been based upon opinion.
lollygaggle 1 month ago
@lollygaggle Also you appear to be a smidgeon frustrated when you refer to me as a highly biased individual, I am totally factual - if you show me a profit and loss sheet that shows I am wrong I will apologise - BTW did they not let you join the police force when you were 18 and you have spent the rest of your life wished you were one, watching the Bill, the old re runs of Z-Cars, Dixon of Dock Green etc etc wishing that you could have been of of the "boys" in Blue
XTee500 1 month ago
@lollygaggle Any judicial system that has an addendum that does not automatically disqualify a prosecution where entrapment is used automatically approves of it. Other civiised european authorities do not have this in their judicial system. The police have been caught out several time with "plants" in green groups and by driving fast is front of a speeding car "encouraging" that driver to go faster ....
XTee500 1 month ago
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@XTee500 Cite the legislation where entrapment exists in UK law?
You still struggle with the same concepts - 99.9% of all speeding offences are detected by civilians, NOT serving police officers.
Plants in green groups? Ahhhh changing of the subject and not addressing any of my points okay I can accept that as acceptance of defeat thank you game, set and match.
lollygaggle 1 month ago
@lollygaggle Nice one but you changed the subject first show me the facts and figures that say 99.9% of blah blah blah are done by civilians
I sill beat you on the revenue generators
XTee500 1 month ago
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@XTee500 How can anyone take anything you type seriously?
Quote; 'I love how you take these broad brushed assumption that my only source is the ABM (no idea what ABD is)'
You don't even know what your are typing!!!!
lollygaggle 1 month ago
@lollygaggle Back to insults, you would not make a good politician or police(wo)man
I see where you are falling down in your debating style, someone makes a mistake and thats what you focus on - not that facts mmmm lets see if we can improve that shall we
XTee500 1 month ago
@XTee500 No, it was YOU who began the diatribe about the ABD - YOU tried picking me up on it believing I had made the mistake - it backfired & you have been left smarting.
lollygaggle 1 month ago
@lollygaggle diatribe - I was neither being bitter nor satirical
XTee500 1 month ago
@XTee500 I am not a 'sir'.
lollygaggle 1 month ago
@XTee500 So no figures supporting Mr Clarkson's claims, no legislation covering entrapment or explanation of netting-off, the sum total of your 'knowledge' coming from the unbiased ABD.
It's very simple - there is always this claim that the government is in it for the 'revenue', but the running costs are always conveniently forgotten, or simply ignored & since 2007, running costs have exceeded what has gone into the Treasury from fines. Even prior to the 2007 changes, it was peanuts.
lollygaggle 1 month ago
@lollygaggle I love how you take these broad brushed assumption that my only source is the ABM (no idea what ABD is) Please read the taxpayersalliance look under speed camera
If what you spout is to believed then all of the financial information should be readily available so please point me in the direction of it, just because the government says it was a loss maker means nothing to me, they said Saddam had chemical weapons and that Bin Laden organised 911 - hohoho
XTee500 1 month ago
@XTee500 You state; 'I love how you take these broad brushed assumption that my only source is the ABM (no idea what ABD is)'.
Perhaps you forgot you typed the following ealier in the thread, I quote;
'3/ ..see press release 703 on the Association of british drivers website'.
Could that be what ABD stands for?
I understand now why you complain about being compromised, you must struggle in any debating forum with such severe memory issues & all with no teddies being thrown.
lollygaggle 1 month ago
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alastairellis 2 months ago
Really sad that the UK police stoop to this low level tactics
Can Lollygaggle and alastairellis please go and get a room somewhere and have a cuddle or whatever
XTee500 2 months ago
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alastairellis 2 months ago
@alastairellis *Her* level.
You know what assumptions make?
lollygaggle 1 month ago
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alastairellis 2 months ago
@alastairellis You misunderstand, there are no horses in the box whilst speed enforcement takes place.
lollygaggle 2 months ago
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alastairellis 2 months ago
@alastairellis The above operation was part of a larger designed to target high-end motorcycles who used this carriageway as a race track.
We now move from the equine to the porcine? Are you sure you have a persuasive stance or just rhetoric?
lollygaggle 2 months ago
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alastairellis 2 months ago
@alastairellis No, definitely not. Equidae is the term used to define the family to which horses belong & that includes others such as zebras & donkeys. You were most specific - you cited 'horses'- it isn't a 'zebra box'.
Such operations as above reduce the number of chases, as the evidence is recorded to a visual media such as DVD & the alleged offence dealt with via a postal NIP.
Any more questions just ask.
lollygaggle 2 months ago
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alastairellis 2 months ago
@alastairellis No, Equidae is the generic family, a term you used. Equine is the term I used as the subject was singularly specific.
Devon is a lovely part of the world.
lollygaggle 2 months ago
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alastairellis 2 months ago
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Hahahahaha - I agree traffic warden !!!
FlyingFox1971 I very much doubt he has any thing to do with law enforcement,he gets all his information from the internet, i feel he is a very sad lonely individual with nothing better to do with his time. Hes been argueing with anyone & anyone on this post for about 2 years . Hes obviously a non driver so these issues do not affect him. Hope this helps to clear up your questions flyingfox1971
alastairellis 2 months ago
Good for the Goose good for the Gander - who polices our police
According to a recent report from the Police Complaints Authority, the number of people killed or injured in a police accident during vehicle chases more than tripled over a period of just a few years. Research conducted by the authority found that the police frequently engage in unnecessary and dangerous high-speed chases.
alastairellis 2 months ago
@alastairellis What does this have to do with speed enforcement?
lollygaggle 2 months ago
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alastairellis 2 months ago
The motorist....easy money! And I don't agree with speeding in excess,but who is the danger on the road? the one driving at 40 in 60 limit,or the one who is trying to overtake the car that is going to slow.
whatthe328 2 months ago
@whatthe328 No, not motorists, you mean those who ignore the posted thresholds.
The black corsa did nothing inappropriate.
lollygaggle 2 months ago
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alastairellis 2 months ago
@alastairellis Breath testing kit equally doesn't detect those above the posted thresholds. Yes,speed enforcement operations also looks at the insurance held, as the VRM is fed into the insurance database & of course, no insurance cover = no MOT.
Hope that helps.
Any more questions, just ask - it is how people learn after all.
lollygaggle 2 months ago
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alastairellis 2 months ago
@alastairellis The black corsa is just as dangerous as what? It overtook = a perfectly legal manoeuvre as long as the posted threshold wasn't exceeded & oncoming traffic wasn't compromised. What is the danger you mention?
No-one cares what you think about covert operations.
lollygaggle 2 months ago
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alastairellis 2 months ago
@alastairellis Have you ever attended a road traffic collision in an official capacity? To see a child with her brains in the lap of her party dress, all as the result of a speeding motorist - what defence do you offer regarding motorists who ignore posted thresholds?
lollygaggle 2 months ago
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alastairellis 2 months ago
@alastairellis The child was 17 years ago, the policing climate way different.
The above clip was part of a targeted operation designed to detect & prosecute high-end motorcyclists. These individuals completely ignore posted thresholds & covert enforcement is an excellent method of acquiring the relevant information to get them banned.
I ask again, what defence do you offer regarding those who ignore mandatory signage?
When you learn to drive, you will learn all that is required.
lollygaggle 2 months ago
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usvi234 5 months ago
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haha a load of these camera vans will be out of action soon ! under revised police budgets traffic enforcement won't be a priority,, yipee !!!!!
FlyingFox1971 7 months ago 2
haha a load of these camera van will be out of action soon ! under revised police budgets traffic enforcement won't be a priority,, yipee !!!!!
FlyingFox1971 7 months ago
@FlyingFox1971 You completely misunderstand.
Virtually every constabulary has now signed up to the national scheme, meaning there will be a dramatic increase in mobile enforcement operated by civilians. The object is to generate the missing funding via fees from speed awareness courses, so many more cameras with no warning signs.
Sorry, your rejoicing is completely unfounded.
lollygaggle 7 months ago
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@lollygaggle back up your claims ! I'm reluctant to take your word for it !
FlyingFox1971 7 months ago
Hey lollgaggle are you some king of traffic enforcement spokesman for the police ? Have you been appointed officially to engage in a debate with members of the public regarding traffic enforcement policy ? Are your superiors aware of your Youtube activity ?
FlyingFox1971 7 months ago
@FlyingFox1971 I very much doubt he has any thing to do with law enforcement,he gets all his information from the internet, i feel he is a very sad lonely individual with nothing better to do with his time. Hes been argueing with anyone & anyone on this post for about 2 years . Hes obviously a non driver so these issues do not affect him. Hope this helps to clear up your questions flyingfox1971
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