you miss the point when you say "well if you want to give back then do it" Why are you so dense to see that trickel down has not, never di and never will work? We mus tax all fairly-it is biblical. he who has much will be asked much!
@Mountchoirboy how would you know if trickle down has worked or not? do you honestly believe that a rich person opening, say, a hotel, is not going to provide many people with jobs and money? what do you call that? so called rich people don't just sit on a physical pile of cash you know. i'm sure that's news to you.
FACT: These "patriotic millionaires" are Democratic Party Activists pulling a political stunt. The group was created from a list of MAJOR CONTRIBUTERS TO THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN.
And not all of them made their own money - many of them inherited their wealth and list "activist" or "philanthropy" as a full time profession. By the way, the goup Patriotic Millionaires is accepting donations - and they are TAX DEDUCTIBLE!
They realize that if they remain un-taxed, that the whole house of cards will fall. Its a shrewd business move. Otherwise, they will go down the toilet with the rest of us.
We have a choice: we pay their raised prices or we pay their taxes for them. Oh wait... we don't have a choice in paying their taxes, if we refuse we go to tax jail. Oh wait.. but we can choose to not pay their raised prices... cuz we don't really need their $400 smartphones do we? We can opt to buy a cheaper version or none at all can't we? Hey, Jim- Bob, ain't that called Captlism? Yessirree, Bob-Jim, it sho is.... Yeeehaaa. I'm gunna go tell my Klan... oops, I mean my Tea Party brothers.
@masturminds9 WOW WHAT A GENUIS!! LETS TAX COMPANYS TWICE AS MUCH AND THEY DON CARE IF THERE IS NO MORE PROFIT. PRICES DON GO UP. WHAT ARE YOU SCHOOL TEECHER? TEECHERS USUALY ARE TO STUPID TO UNDERSTAND ECONOMCS.
I, for one, appreciate the effort that this small group of people is making. At least it puts a human face on the term "millionaire". There's a huge disconnect between the wealthy and the rest of us and it's not just the size of our bank accounts. Since most people don't know many millionaires personally, we've concocted these images of a bunch of greedy crooks. Sure many are bad (like Congress) but there are bad people in all parts of society. I just hope the msg will help build common ground.
Hey patri(neur)otic millionaires: You are all free to write a check to any charity, individual or government you wish. How many of you have already done so? Oh yeah, stay on your medication.
@Nobama0000 you're a tard. If they just sent in thousands that would hardly do anything. They want to push for ALL millionaires to be taxed more. That would make a real difference
If they think government spends money so wisely they should set an example and give their entire fortune away no matter how little it is compared to all millionaires. It'd make more of a difference than blowing a lot of hot air while privately making sure there are plenty of loopholes to avoid paying their 'fair share'.
@Nobama0000 Charities are inheirently selective and a incredibly poor way of providing any sort of social safety net.
Hint: there were many private charities during the great depression, several more than today, and they were so ineffective the government had to step in and do something
It's hard to believe that blowhards are criticizing these patriotic people. Shouldn't we ALL applaud this idea -- that rich people want to help the country? Are you guys saying the country doesn't need it? That they're evil for offering?
It amazes me to see middle-class folk like you trying to keep the rich from paying their fair share. Unless you guys are rich, in which case speak up.
@71lockard : Wrong. If you send in a check that's too big, the IRS is required to send back the excess.
@GameWriterGuy No one is trying to say that they shouldn't do this. The point is that they're NOT doing it. They're parading this self-righteous, masochistic shpeel around the national media when they could be donating their money.
@GameWriterGuy: On your latter point, you are simply incorrect. Anybody can make a gift to the US. Do a google search for "gifts to US government" and you will get a link to the treasury dept web page where you can find out how to send in your check.
Every one of these patriotic millionaires should go to IRS dot gov, click on the Donate button, and donate a million dollars! They are already free to do their part!
“When these disingenuous, deceptive tools have their NET WORTH reduced to <$250,000 (less than EVIL RICH definition), I will begin to hear their musings and pay attention to them. Until then, they are just a bunch of bloviating buffoons, not to be listened to!"
I'll have to excuse myself from further posting from now on as I do not wish to enter a shouting match with political zealots spanning across the political spectrum over whether or not a 'Reverse-Robin-Hood' is financially sustainable or even morally ethical on your own countrymen.
Hello: Please, please please, no one is holding all of you idiots back, give all of the money and possessions you collectively own and give it to the US Treasury. And hurry up you bunch of losers. I gotta tell ya' I have never seen so many people lie right into the camera since the last Democrat convention. DIVEST, DIVEST, DIVEST, give up the cash to someone on the street, go to a homeless shelter and hand out ten grand to each person, go to a project and do the same. You all won't though, LIES
Ultimately a silly effort. This group can never assume to speak for more than the number of its own members. Since there has never been anything stopping any individual from voluntarily contributing more than the law requires, it accomplishes nothing. There is no need to ask government to take more when you are free to give more. What you're ultimately doing is asking them to take from someone else and offering your own compliance in place of theirs. That is faulty.
Yes this is real. A good friend of mine, Judy Pigott, is one of the millionaires who signed the petition. Not all rich people are bad and not all corporations are bad either. It's the people who make the difference!
HAHA that's rich, "I don't put money back into the economy, I just get richer." What a card. Can you imagine if people were just sucked dry by a government once they are worth 1 million dollars, just to have MORE government telling us what to do? It's ludicrous, this is either one of the most rye political jokes of our time or a massive publicity stunt by the wealthy in an attempt to get even more of a stranglehold on our ever-growing government.
@TMullen8 It's wry, and just consider for a moment your brainwashed fear addled mind. Why are you such an hysterical fool? Why don't you look at the facts instead of clinging to your stupid primitive mantra.
@nilbud Thanks for the lessons, both in grammar, and in politics. I was a fool to present a logical approach to this. I should have gone your route and made rash assumptions about someone I don't know out of anger, frustration, or (though unlikely) an actual concern for my well being. I must be a fool to think that raising taxes and increasing government, when it is already more influential than ever, is a foolish plan. Screw it, let's take everyone's money, our leaders know whats best for us.
Very simple nay sayers, if only a few do it they just get screwed and they are probably the millionaires who are actually decent human beings who actually help people. If only a limited number do this, then they will not be enough to help the government significantly and they will in fact, be less able to help everyone more individually. They are not stupid, if they were, most of them would probably not be millionairs, however, they also do not invest in loosing propositions!
@victoriahessco7 Obviously the government can get more money by taxing every rich person. That's beside the point. If these toolbags think the government needs more money, then they should be putting their money where their mouths are and giving more money to the government. Simple as that.
@specialkrj I guess I could have phrased my comment a little better around what I'm saying. If the millionaires are willing and able to pay the government more money, why aren't they doing it already instead of waiting for the government to force them to in the form of taxes.
Or am I wrong and there isn't a system in place for them to gift money directly to the gov't?
Taxes are what make states work. I'm glad some of these wealthy people have the integrity to acknowledge this.
How on earth did the right-wing elite persuade so many uneducated and poor people that taxes are NOT in their best interests? Taxation is the equalization of resources for all. The poor are the biggest beneficiaries.
@linneasr They simply informed them that what is in the individuals best interest is often incompatible with justice. If self-interest leads one to coerce others into benefiting oneself, some people just happen to have principled qualms with that.
Slavery was in the best interest of slave owners.
Equalizing resources is not an admirable goal. The lazy and incompetent are the biggest beneficiaries. People should not get what they want. People should get what they earn.
>>And yet, the top 1% of income earners pay more in total revenue than the bottom 90% combined. Seems they don't manage to avoid it entirely.
Until the 80s the richest people paid between 70% and 90% income tax. It is only the last decades that they pay a MERE 35%. Yet despite this fact, and despite us being in a major recession and national debt, the rich pay thinktanks to spread the notion that taxing the wealthy punishes success.
@KelsoMorrass raising taxes = giving government money
and they'd only be raising taxes on people earning a million or more per year...so the struggling average american is not taxed more...just to make that clear.
@KelsoMorrass Or to what they regard as worthwhile charities. They may already do so but if they think they aren't giving enough, by all means exercise your liberty and give more!
I love how I get asked for a reference where anyone shouting 1950s doesn't. The age was called the Gilded Age. You can get a brief overview on Wikipedia since I can't post links here.
In 2000 we spent 3.2 trillion and in 2010 we spent 5.8 trillion. We have a 1.7 trillion deficit, which means we can spend 4.1 trillion which is a 33% increase over 2000. Don't get me wrong I'm for a fair tax system over than the cluster we have that gives huge benefits to the rich, but giving the government more money is insane. Especially, if you look that everything they spend on is failing. Post Office, Education, occupation of the Middle East, drug war, poverty, banking regs, etc...
@neozenkai They're running out of money because they're failing, genius. These government programs are based on unsustainable pyramid scheme financing that would be illegal if you or I tried to do it in the 'private sector'. And 'soaking the rich' won't increase revenue, as anyone who understands the Laffer Curve knows.
@VTAcraft You're assuming that the current tax policy already sits at the exact maximum of the Laffer Curve, which frankly no one knows if that is true or not. Furthermore, the Laffer curve can have more than one local maximum. It does not have to exhibit the 'stylized' shape typically given to it.
@a19grey I'm not assuming anything. Like you said, no one knows. That includes these millionares... who, if they were sincere, would be actually walking the walk by donating their money to the government voluntarily, rather than dragging this glib, self-righteous bullshit around the national media.
I wouldn't care, but this is a big distraction. Anyone who thinks that we're going to right the wrongs of our system by raising the top marginal federal income tax rate by 4 points is a joker.
@VTAcraft Umm...last time I checked NONE of the millionaires in this video said we'd solve all our problems by raising the top marginal federal income tax rate. So I don't know where you're getting this 'right the wrongs of our system' business from. What raising taxes on the wealthy will do, is give the government more money for years and years to come rather than just giving one lump sum directly to the government and never doing it again.
@bakedgood420 Actually that's one of their tenants—to bring back the tax structure of the Clinton era (ie 39% instead of 35% for the top marginal rate)—but the same would hold true even if it were 60%, or 100% for that matter. You won't right the wrongs of this system by doing anything to the US tax structure. Period.
And who said they have to donate in 1 lump sum? These tools can send their $ in whatever intervals, sequence, and amounts that they want.
@nilbud I have no desire to see the government get any more money. Apparently these guys do. If they think the government needs more money, then they should be giving the government more money. Very simple, really. Instead, of course, these tools parade around the national media peddling their glib, self-righteous masochism for all to see.
Like I said, I wouldn't care, but it's a huge, idiotic distraction from the real problems of our system.
@GryphonsClaw You need a source for this. To refute your argument, I'll just say think practically. I'm not a cynic, but I know that the US will not stop funding welfare programs and government programs. So I have to adjust my expectations for this. You should too. Eventually, under competent leadership, the US might cut these problems down till they're nonexistent, but that point is not soon, and asking the US to just stop taking in money while still spending it is not a good idea-wouldn't work
@stahlbp1 There's this website called Google. Just type in "the gilded age" and it will supply you with all of the information you could ever want on the subject.
@VTAcraft Thank you, but I am well aware of Google. What does the Gilded Age have to do with this? The gilded age occurred from the late 1800s to around 1920. Did you send this to the wrong person, or are you just horribly misguided in your American history?
@stahlbp1 You asked for a source to prove Gryphon's claim that America enjoyed several decades of great economic growth and prosperity in the absence of any federal income taxes, if I'm not mistaken.
Our greatest period of prosperity was the second industrial revolution during the 1880s where we had no income tax and no central bank to inflate the economy.
@FixedNewsChannel google: second industrial revolution. And the income tax wasn't imposed until 1913—incidentally the same year as the Federal Reserve. Since then, and even more so since 1971, we have become an inflation-based economy that rewards speculators and politically connected bankers while punishing savers and 'the average joe'. This is the real source of the "asymmetric benefits", not under-taxation.
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Who gives a fuck what millionaires want, republicans want lower tax because it means a better america. We arent communist china here guys!! Millionaires get their millions fair n square and republicans are gonna defend that idea till the day they dont constitute a majority in congress.
Thank you Rich and Wealthy Americans who want to pay for some of the spending our Gov't and not burdening the 90% of the Average Americans who are hard working and are forced to take on MORE taxes on their comparatively and significantly lower income, while being denied less Social Services afforded by these tax cuts to the Rich.
@LOLitsJono Assuming giving more money to a spendthrift government means one is patriotic, they are free to exercise their patriotism by simply giving the government more money. No need to ask the government to force them. What bizarre kind of psychological disorder can not derive satisfaction from doing something unless they are required by law to do so? Is this an offshoot of a millionare sadomasochists club?
Isn't it obvious? To flaunt their 'Pro-American' Patriotic Group to further their own Private interests and other financial interests by association to this group which is highly publicised such as this video.
I would much rather tolerate this "Hey look at me, I'll pay the taxes 'cuz i'm Rich" scheme than the, "Hey, I vote Republican, give me tax cuts because Jesus says so and the several thousands I donated to political PAC's says it's good for America while I ship out jobs to China" solution to everything.
There are no empirical data that can show that higher taxes = better system. Inflation can also work as a hidden tax, government spending through deficit, thus creating inflation. First you need a structural change to how the government operates before you throw money at it, high taxes works in economies like Sweden or Norway where the government system functions around higher taxes and the idea of a welfare society, i'm not sure that higher taxes would do anything for US Economy tbh.
@Neuroelectronic Nothing, whats wrong with yours? I'm not arguing for inflation, i'm arguing that higher taxes doesn't automatically mean a better government and that structural change is more important than higher taxes. As there is no data that can prove that higher taxes alone makes the government do a better job. Is it more clear now?
@bws12r That doesn't make any sense. Even if they understood that a uniform tax would mean more government revenue, every dollar that these people save is a dollar that could have gone to government. And, since they seem to believe that America needs more government revenue, they are contradicting themselves by witholding this money from government.
Sorry, they have no credibility until they start leading by example.
when the time comes for a vote next year...the patriotic millionaires will hire patriotic lobbyists and demand taxes be reduced further on the rich and super rich categories. this is just a tidy mind fuck on dumb americans. theses millionaires are beginning to fear the unwashed masses they despise coming together and reclaiming their fallen republic. don't let this good ol' boys network PSA sway you, they want you dead. return the favor.
typical spin by msnbc. higher tax brackets have always hurt the economy. if these handful of second generation wealthy are serious, they are able to pay more taxes as they wish.
Exactly. I wonder why they insist on publicizing themselves. Just shut up and give the government more money to waste on the military industrial complex. What a bunch of crap.
When will people understand that the fiscal problem in the U.S. has nothing to do with tax revenue and everything to do with out of control spending (Drug war, War on terror, wars/bombing/occupation in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Libya, etc. and a million promises they can't keep)
The Agenda Project should have done a little better job using clips and dubbing over peoples voices, at least this clip would have been more believable. Looks like those millionaires are lip synching worse then a Milli Vanilli Concert. Nice idea though! But yea...
I hope those millionaires weren't all hot air and are serious about it. In the meantime, I have serious rage issues against any of the social elites today. I literally lack empathy if something horrible happens to Ivy leaguers or some snobby sports elite.
The fundamental paradox of the American right is that they want European levels of welfare state whilst paying constantly reduced taxes. I don't disagree that taxes need to become more transparent and understandable, but the basic idea that those with the most monetary wealth pay for the welfare of the vulnerable is one the successes of civilisation - in my opinion.
I would never have expected this! I hope the conservatives will not hush this down with their influence & power. Rich patriots however, also have influence & power!
~EPIC BATTLE OF TITANS~
(I'm from Norway, which is a social democracy with high taxes and a strong state.. FTW)
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You guys believe this?
Millionaires wanting to pay more? Sure!
Beter tittle would be Millionaires who realize that the shit's about to hit the fan and there target NO. 1.
How about since our government is pretty much a high priced prostitute (No disrespect to real prostitutes), do these patriots not take their money and hire some pimps (Lobbyists) to go ahead and represent and represent our interests as american patriots or whatever. Just use your saved tax money...
@AnarchoHumanism Congratulations on being so intelligent with your feedback that you don't even know the difference between there, their, and they're. You also lack basic sentence structure.
@jakebm13 Thank you Jake because we all know intelligence has to do with sentence structuring, and nothing to do with the fact hat English is my 3rd language. I guess I should shut up because apparently only intelligent well structured opinions are allowed. What if you instead comment on the message?!
Nobody is stopping them from cutting a check to the goverment. They have a right to give all their wealth away if they like. But they won't. The truth is, they are trying to force everone else to pay more so they can keep more of theirs. They probably made their wealth through bail outs or Real estate which have failed at the coutrys expense. The country being you and me and our kids. Guilty conscience?
If they were really serious, they should release their tax forms (of course blacking out any personal information). I want to see if they put their money where their mouth is, and see that there aren't any tax deductibles, and no hired CPA went in there and got them any type of tax breaks and show that to the media before they are interviewed. Then we'll see some actual credibility.
Last time I checked, you can donate your money to the United States Treasury. These individuals should put their money where their mouths are by sending a check payable to:
So let me get this straight. We have structured an economy and a society that asymmetrically benefits millionaires... so let's change tax code to compensate for the adverse effects, the SYMPTOMS of the real PROBLEM, instead of addressing said real problem. The real problem being a government that works in the interest of corporate elites while pretending not to. Yup. ALL ABOARD THE FAIL BOAT! I hear compensating by attacking symptoms rather than root causes always works the way it's meant to...
They can always donate voluntarily. There's several methods of doing so. Don't tell us that the government efficiently spends our tax money, or that government spending hasn't grown faster than the nation's GDP. Anyone who's been paying attention knows that it isn't so.
wait. so a handful of millionaires want to voluntarily give more to taxes, so that means we should raise the taxes and demand all americans making more than $250, 000 pay for all the failed liberal programs we can imagine?
What a joke... these ultra rich type could just write checks if they wanted.... what they are *really* pushing for is to jack up the taxes of couples who make $125k per spouse. Classic misdirection.
I say Raise the Taxes on anyone who makes over $100,000 a Year! Force them to shut down their businesses, and ship all the Jobs to Mexico and China! Who needs them!
@SpaneenOomlong They pay on average of 12-15% after all their deductions and kickbacks. How the heck can anyone honestly believe the FOX BS that they're paying 70-90%
Proof that not all millionaires are greedy, grasping weasels. Bravo to these fine individuals, who are willing to sacrifice for the good a nation that needs their help now more than ever.
Of course the Patriotic Millionaires should not wait for the very slow US government to see the light. They should donate as much as they can to the US Bureau of the Public Debt
I love you guys! Our period of greatest prosperity and infrastructure, the Eisenhower Years, was characterized by a *90%* tax rate. That's too much, but right now? Too little.
Just send that money to me i dont like work
TheThewarriorchamp 3 months ago
you miss the point when you say "well if you want to give back then do it" Why are you so dense to see that trickel down has not, never di and never will work? We mus tax all fairly-it is biblical. he who has much will be asked much!
Mountchoirboy 3 months ago
@Mountchoirboy how would you know if trickle down has worked or not? do you honestly believe that a rich person opening, say, a hotel, is not going to provide many people with jobs and money? what do you call that? so called rich people don't just sit on a physical pile of cash you know. i'm sure that's news to you.
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FACT: These "patriotic millionaires" are Democratic Party Activists pulling a political stunt. The group was created from a list of MAJOR CONTRIBUTERS TO THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN.
And not all of them made their own money - many of them inherited their wealth and list "activist" or "philanthropy" as a full time profession. By the way, the goup Patriotic Millionaires is accepting donations - and they are TAX DEDUCTIBLE!
utube9000 3 months ago
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Nobody with half a brain would give the money they were smart enough to make to losers.
tjttzcspplt 5 months ago
Nobody with half a brain would give the money they were smart enough to make to losers.
tjttzcspplt 5 months ago
They realize that if they remain un-taxed, that the whole house of cards will fall. Its a shrewd business move. Otherwise, they will go down the toilet with the rest of us.
MarKatJac 6 months ago
MIllionaires are a drop in the bucket. Billionaires (Corporations) like G.E. (paid NO TAXES last year) should step up.
masturminds9 6 months ago
@masturminds9 NO PROBLEM DUDE. THEN THEY JUST RAISE PRICES. IDIOT
Wentfradump 5 months ago
We have a choice: we pay their raised prices or we pay their taxes for them. Oh wait... we don't have a choice in paying their taxes, if we refuse we go to tax jail. Oh wait.. but we can choose to not pay their raised prices... cuz we don't really need their $400 smartphones do we? We can opt to buy a cheaper version or none at all can't we? Hey, Jim- Bob, ain't that called Captlism? Yessirree, Bob-Jim, it sho is.... Yeeehaaa. I'm gunna go tell my Klan... oops, I mean my Tea Party brothers.
masturminds9 5 months ago
@masturminds9 WOW WHAT A GENUIS!! LETS TAX COMPANYS TWICE AS MUCH AND THEY DON CARE IF THERE IS NO MORE PROFIT. PRICES DON GO UP. WHAT ARE YOU SCHOOL TEECHER? TEECHERS USUALY ARE TO STUPID TO UNDERSTAND ECONOMCS.
Wentfradump 5 months ago
communist!
assman255 7 months ago
I, for one, appreciate the effort that this small group of people is making. At least it puts a human face on the term "millionaire". There's a huge disconnect between the wealthy and the rest of us and it's not just the size of our bank accounts. Since most people don't know many millionaires personally, we've concocted these images of a bunch of greedy crooks. Sure many are bad (like Congress) but there are bad people in all parts of society. I just hope the msg will help build common ground.
YoeyYutch 8 months ago 4
Hey patri(neur)otic millionaires: You are all free to write a check to any charity, individual or government you wish. How many of you have already done so? Oh yeah, stay on your medication.
Nobama0000 9 months ago
@Nobama0000 you're a tard. If they just sent in thousands that would hardly do anything. They want to push for ALL millionaires to be taxed more. That would make a real difference
NewGameReleases 9 months ago 2
@NewGameReleases
If they think government spends money so wisely they should set an example and give their entire fortune away no matter how little it is compared to all millionaires. It'd make more of a difference than blowing a lot of hot air while privately making sure there are plenty of loopholes to avoid paying their 'fair share'.
Grumperlopholis12 9 months ago
@Nobama0000 Charities are inheirently selective and a incredibly poor way of providing any sort of social safety net.
Hint: there were many private charities during the great depression, several more than today, and they were so ineffective the government had to step in and do something
glennfinito 8 months ago 2
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Let's give them what they want!
TubeNutriDoc 9 months ago
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Let's give them what they want!
TubeNutriDoc 9 months ago
It's hard to believe that blowhards are criticizing these patriotic people. Shouldn't we ALL applaud this idea -- that rich people want to help the country? Are you guys saying the country doesn't need it? That they're evil for offering?
It amazes me to see middle-class folk like you trying to keep the rich from paying their fair share. Unless you guys are rich, in which case speak up.
@71lockard : Wrong. If you send in a check that's too big, the IRS is required to send back the excess.
GameWriterGuy 9 months ago
@GameWriterGuy No one is trying to say that they shouldn't do this. The point is that they're NOT doing it. They're parading this self-righteous, masochistic shpeel around the national media when they could be donating their money.
VTAcraft 9 months ago
@GameWriterGuy: On your latter point, you are simply incorrect. Anybody can make a gift to the US. Do a google search for "gifts to US government" and you will get a link to the treasury dept web page where you can find out how to send in your check.
othername11 9 months ago
How utterly disingenuous and transparent. These people can write their check today, no propaganda video needed.
The really sad part. Some people really believe this crap. Probably the same people that will vote for Obama again next year.
71lockard 9 months ago
How utterly disingenuous and transparent. These people can write their check today, no propaganda video needed.
The really sad part. Some people really believe this crap. Probably the same people that will vote for Obama again next year.
71lockard 9 months ago
Every one of these patriotic millionaires should go to IRS dot gov, click on the Donate button, and donate a million dollars! They are already free to do their part!
redcarpeg 9 months ago
@redcarpeg Exactly. The elephant in the room. This is so incredibly stupid.
VTAcraft 9 months ago
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>>Every one of these patriotic millionaires should go to IRS dot gov, click on the Donate button, and donate a million dollars!
You're missing the point. They want taxes raised for all millionaires as part of social responsibility.
kDest 8 months ago
“When these disingenuous, deceptive tools have their NET WORTH reduced to <$250,000 (less than EVIL RICH definition), I will begin to hear their musings and pay attention to them. Until then, they are just a bunch of bloviating buffoons, not to be listened to!"
aschel1977 9 months ago
I'll have to excuse myself from further posting from now on as I do not wish to enter a shouting match with political zealots spanning across the political spectrum over whether or not a 'Reverse-Robin-Hood' is financially sustainable or even morally ethical on your own countrymen.
LOLitsJono 9 months ago
Hello: Please, please please, no one is holding all of you idiots back, give all of the money and possessions you collectively own and give it to the US Treasury. And hurry up you bunch of losers. I gotta tell ya' I have never seen so many people lie right into the camera since the last Democrat convention. DIVEST, DIVEST, DIVEST, give up the cash to someone on the street, go to a homeless shelter and hand out ten grand to each person, go to a project and do the same. You all won't though, LIES
btwall60 9 months ago
@btwall60
>>And hurry up you bunch of losers. I gotta tell ya' I have never seen so many people lie right into the camera since the last Democrat convention.
Wow, that's cynical, and completely counterproductive.
kDest 8 months ago
Ultimately a silly effort. This group can never assume to speak for more than the number of its own members. Since there has never been anything stopping any individual from voluntarily contributing more than the law requires, it accomplishes nothing. There is no need to ask government to take more when you are free to give more. What you're ultimately doing is asking them to take from someone else and offering your own compliance in place of theirs. That is faulty.
TheTypicalGirl 9 months ago
LOL Leftism disguised as Rightism.
vitralizer 9 months ago
It is real and I am a member
eugeneej 9 months ago
Yes this is real. A good friend of mine, Judy Pigott, is one of the millionaires who signed the petition. Not all rich people are bad and not all corporations are bad either. It's the people who make the difference!
shellyrobbins 9 months ago
HAHA that's rich, "I don't put money back into the economy, I just get richer." What a card. Can you imagine if people were just sucked dry by a government once they are worth 1 million dollars, just to have MORE government telling us what to do? It's ludicrous, this is either one of the most rye political jokes of our time or a massive publicity stunt by the wealthy in an attempt to get even more of a stranglehold on our ever-growing government.
TMullen8 9 months ago
@TMullen8 It's wry, and just consider for a moment your brainwashed fear addled mind. Why are you such an hysterical fool? Why don't you look at the facts instead of clinging to your stupid primitive mantra.
nilbud 9 months ago
@nilbud Thanks for the lessons, both in grammar, and in politics. I was a fool to present a logical approach to this. I should have gone your route and made rash assumptions about someone I don't know out of anger, frustration, or (though unlikely) an actual concern for my well being. I must be a fool to think that raising taxes and increasing government, when it is already more influential than ever, is a foolish plan. Screw it, let's take everyone's money, our leaders know whats best for us.
TMullen8 9 months ago
Very simple nay sayers, if only a few do it they just get screwed and they are probably the millionaires who are actually decent human beings who actually help people. If only a limited number do this, then they will not be enough to help the government significantly and they will in fact, be less able to help everyone more individually. They are not stupid, if they were, most of them would probably not be millionairs, however, they also do not invest in loosing propositions!
victoriahessco7 9 months ago
@victoriahessco7 Its a tax proposal...that means it applies to all millionaires.
Spoonman455 9 months ago
@victoriahessco7 Obviously the government can get more money by taxing every rich person. That's beside the point. If these toolbags think the government needs more money, then they should be putting their money where their mouths are and giving more money to the government. Simple as that.
VTAcraft 9 months ago
After all that has been done to us by the rich and their friends, it's hard to believe there are those who might actually care!
ferieoflight 9 months ago
@ferieoflight Nothing has been "done to us" by the rich.
TheTypicalGirl 9 months ago
OP may want to put the link into the video details. Thanks for sharing.
bummers 9 months ago
THESE GUYS ARE WILLING TO PAY...com'on do you realize what this means?
jmcbond43 9 months ago
@jmcbond43 Then why aren't they?
VTAcraft 9 months ago
@specialkrj I guess I could have phrased my comment a little better around what I'm saying. If the millionaires are willing and able to pay the government more money, why aren't they doing it already instead of waiting for the government to force them to in the form of taxes.
Or am I wrong and there isn't a system in place for them to gift money directly to the gov't?
KelsoMorrass 9 months ago
@KelsoMorrass You're not wrong. There is. These guys are tools.
VTAcraft 9 months ago
@KelsoMorrass It's called fairness.
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TheTypicalGirl 9 months ago
Even though it's VO'd, TheAgendaProject shows the point pretty well!
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Unless one of them is going to "give back" 1 trillion dollars, the States are still f#cked.
jownzer 9 months ago
Unless one of them is going to "give back" 1 trillion dollars, the States are still fucked.
jownzer 9 months ago
Taxes are what make states work. I'm glad some of these wealthy people have the integrity to acknowledge this.
How on earth did the right-wing elite persuade so many uneducated and poor people that taxes are NOT in their best interests? Taxation is the equalization of resources for all. The poor are the biggest beneficiaries.
linneasr 9 months ago
@linneasr They simply informed them that what is in the individuals best interest is often incompatible with justice. If self-interest leads one to coerce others into benefiting oneself, some people just happen to have principled qualms with that.
Slavery was in the best interest of slave owners.
Equalizing resources is not an admirable goal. The lazy and incompetent are the biggest beneficiaries. People should not get what they want. People should get what they earn.
TheTypicalGirl 9 months ago
Millionaires know how to avoid paying taxes.
uzkhan1 9 months ago
@uzkhan1 And yet, the top 1% of income earners pay more in total revenue than the bottom 90% combined. Seems they don't manage to avoid it entirely.
TheTypicalGirl 9 months ago
@TheTypicalGirl
>>And yet, the top 1% of income earners pay more in total revenue than the bottom 90% combined. Seems they don't manage to avoid it entirely.
Until the 80s the richest people paid between 70% and 90% income tax. It is only the last decades that they pay a MERE 35%. Yet despite this fact, and despite us being in a major recession and national debt, the rich pay thinktanks to spread the notion that taxing the wealthy punishes success.
kDest 8 months ago
Americans hate two things: Taxes, and losing the things our taxes pay for.
daminox 9 months ago
So paying taxes to big banks is patriotic?????? I DONT THINK SO
van131 9 months ago
guys make sure u give money to the charity of the millionaires
LazySmi 9 months ago
real patriots.
Robstailey 9 months ago
They don't have to raise taxes...can't those 'patriotic millionaires' just give the gov't money?
KelsoMorrass 9 months ago
@KelsoMorrass raising taxes = giving government money
bakedgood420 9 months ago
@KelsoMorrass raising taxes = giving government money
and they'd only be raising taxes on people earning a million or more per year...so the struggling average american is not taxed more...just to make that clear.
bakedgood420 9 months ago
@KelsoMorrass wtf do you think taxes are?
specialkrj 9 months ago
@KelsoMorrass Or to what they regard as worthwhile charities. They may already do so but if they think they aren't giving enough, by all means exercise your liberty and give more!
TheTypicalGirl 9 months ago
The 19 people are Sam Walton's offspring and their assistants.
Ashloup 9 months ago
USA, the next Somalia.
Jallawackbar 9 months ago
I love how I get asked for a reference where anyone shouting 1950s doesn't. The age was called the Gilded Age. You can get a brief overview on Wikipedia since I can't post links here.
GryphonsClaw 9 months ago
In 2000 we spent 3.2 trillion and in 2010 we spent 5.8 trillion. We have a 1.7 trillion deficit, which means we can spend 4.1 trillion which is a 33% increase over 2000. Don't get me wrong I'm for a fair tax system over than the cluster we have that gives huge benefits to the rich, but giving the government more money is insane. Especially, if you look that everything they spend on is failing. Post Office, Education, occupation of the Middle East, drug war, poverty, banking regs, etc...
GryphonsClaw 9 months ago
@GryphonsClaw They're failing because they are running out of money, moron.
neozenkai 9 months ago
@neozenkai They're running out of money because they're failing, genius. These government programs are based on unsustainable pyramid scheme financing that would be illegal if you or I tried to do it in the 'private sector'. And 'soaking the rich' won't increase revenue, as anyone who understands the Laffer Curve knows.
VTAcraft 9 months ago
@VTAcraft You're assuming that the current tax policy already sits at the exact maximum of the Laffer Curve, which frankly no one knows if that is true or not. Furthermore, the Laffer curve can have more than one local maximum. It does not have to exhibit the 'stylized' shape typically given to it.
a19grey 9 months ago
@a19grey I'm not assuming anything. Like you said, no one knows. That includes these millionares... who, if they were sincere, would be actually walking the walk by donating their money to the government voluntarily, rather than dragging this glib, self-righteous bullshit around the national media.
I wouldn't care, but this is a big distraction. Anyone who thinks that we're going to right the wrongs of our system by raising the top marginal federal income tax rate by 4 points is a joker.
VTAcraft 9 months ago
@VTAcraft Umm...last time I checked NONE of the millionaires in this video said we'd solve all our problems by raising the top marginal federal income tax rate. So I don't know where you're getting this 'right the wrongs of our system' business from. What raising taxes on the wealthy will do, is give the government more money for years and years to come rather than just giving one lump sum directly to the government and never doing it again.
bakedgood420 9 months ago
@bakedgood420 Actually that's one of their tenants—to bring back the tax structure of the Clinton era (ie 39% instead of 35% for the top marginal rate)—but the same would hold true even if it were 60%, or 100% for that matter. You won't right the wrongs of this system by doing anything to the US tax structure. Period.
And who said they have to donate in 1 lump sum? These tools can send their $ in whatever intervals, sequence, and amounts that they want.
VTAcraft 9 months ago
@VTAcraft So can you, what's your point?
nilbud 9 months ago
@nilbud I have no desire to see the government get any more money. Apparently these guys do. If they think the government needs more money, then they should be giving the government more money. Very simple, really. Instead, of course, these tools parade around the national media peddling their glib, self-righteous masochism for all to see.
Like I said, I wouldn't care, but it's a huge, idiotic distraction from the real problems of our system.
VTAcraft 9 months ago
@GryphonsClaw You need a source for this. To refute your argument, I'll just say think practically. I'm not a cynic, but I know that the US will not stop funding welfare programs and government programs. So I have to adjust my expectations for this. You should too. Eventually, under competent leadership, the US might cut these problems down till they're nonexistent, but that point is not soon, and asking the US to just stop taking in money while still spending it is not a good idea-wouldn't work
stahlbp1 9 months ago
@stahlbp1 There's this website called Google. Just type in "the gilded age" and it will supply you with all of the information you could ever want on the subject.
VTAcraft 9 months ago
@VTAcraft Thank you, but I am well aware of Google. What does the Gilded Age have to do with this? The gilded age occurred from the late 1800s to around 1920. Did you send this to the wrong person, or are you just horribly misguided in your American history?
stahlbp1 9 months ago
@stahlbp1 You asked for a source to prove Gryphon's claim that America enjoyed several decades of great economic growth and prosperity in the absence of any federal income taxes, if I'm not mistaken.
VTAcraft 9 months ago
Our greatest period of prosperity was the second industrial revolution during the 1880s where we had no income tax and no central bank to inflate the economy.
GryphonsClaw 9 months ago
@GryphonsClaw Source, or GTFO.
FixedNewsChannel 9 months ago
@FixedNewsChannel google: second industrial revolution. And the income tax wasn't imposed until 1913—incidentally the same year as the Federal Reserve. Since then, and even more so since 1971, we have become an inflation-based economy that rewards speculators and politically connected bankers while punishing savers and 'the average joe'. This is the real source of the "asymmetric benefits", not under-taxation.
VTAcraft 9 months ago
@GryphonsClaw Yes. And we had systematic DEFLATION, which rewarded savers and low-income individuals.
VTAcraft 9 months ago
This is beary amazing!
HilbearyBears 9 months ago 7
@HilbearyBears I like your page!!!
hilpines 9 months ago
Is this real? Is this some skit? is this satirical like The Onion? If this is real i just think i pooped my pants :D
cacadodoheadrs 9 months ago 24
Yes! Give the government more money so it can spend it just as quickly as it took it.
asianfrenzy666 9 months ago
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Who gives a fuck what millionaires want, republicans want lower tax because it means a better america. We arent communist china here guys!! Millionaires get their millions fair n square and republicans are gonna defend that idea till the day they dont constitute a majority in congress.
Sejes89 9 months ago
Great, they can donate their money to the US govt. I think there is already a tax line item for this. What are they waiting for?
genborders 9 months ago
I kept waiting for the joke.
kcf6969 9 months ago 2
16 hedge fund managers are dicks.
madmusk33 9 months ago
Thank you Rich and Wealthy Americans who want to pay for some of the spending our Gov't and not burdening the 90% of the Average Americans who are hard working and are forced to take on MORE taxes on their comparatively and significantly lower income, while being denied less Social Services afforded by these tax cuts to the Rich.
True Patriots and Real Americans!
LOLitsJono 9 months ago 2
@LOLitsJono Assuming giving more money to a spendthrift government means one is patriotic, they are free to exercise their patriotism by simply giving the government more money. No need to ask the government to force them. What bizarre kind of psychological disorder can not derive satisfaction from doing something unless they are required by law to do so? Is this an offshoot of a millionare sadomasochists club?
TheTypicalGirl 9 months ago
@TheTypicalGirl
Isn't it obvious? To flaunt their 'Pro-American' Patriotic Group to further their own Private interests and other financial interests by association to this group which is highly publicised such as this video.
Was this really a serious question?
LOLitsJono 9 months ago
@TheTypicalGirl
GREAT POST
btwall60 9 months ago
@TheTypicalGirl
I would much rather tolerate this "Hey look at me, I'll pay the taxes 'cuz i'm Rich" scheme than the, "Hey, I vote Republican, give me tax cuts because Jesus says so and the several thousands I donated to political PAC's says it's good for America while I ship out jobs to China" solution to everything.
Trickle-down economics does not work.
LOLitsJono 9 months ago
This is an epic red herring. Tax rich people @ 100% if you want. The smart ones will always find loopholes or ways to move their assets overseas.
The only way to end a system that "asymettrically benefits" the rich is to END THE FED. Thumbs up if you agree.
VTAcraft 9 months ago
God Bless all of you.
crawdady21 9 months ago
200 millionaires eh? That makes them at least 200,000 normal people
AlcatrazInmate13 9 months ago
awesome
FitnessCoachDavid 9 months ago
There are no empirical data that can show that higher taxes = better system. Inflation can also work as a hidden tax, government spending through deficit, thus creating inflation. First you need a structural change to how the government operates before you throw money at it, high taxes works in economies like Sweden or Norway where the government system functions around higher taxes and the idea of a welfare society, i'm not sure that higher taxes would do anything for US Economy tbh.
danneland 9 months ago
@danneland You are arguing for inflation? What the fuck is wrong with your brain?
Neuroelectronic 9 months ago
@Neuroelectronic Nothing, whats wrong with yours? I'm not arguing for inflation, i'm arguing that higher taxes doesn't automatically mean a better government and that structural change is more important than higher taxes. As there is no data that can prove that higher taxes alone makes the government do a better job. Is it more clear now?
danneland 9 months ago
but ayn rand and alan greenspan said we should be selfish???
welinder01 9 months ago
MILLIONAIRE MAVERICKS ALL THE WAY!
this is some bullshit
rousipoosi 9 months ago
If they want to pay more, they should pay more. Just because a few people want to pay more taxes doesn't mean everyone should be forced to.
Ky0uran 9 months ago
@Ky0uran Are you a millionaire? If not, shut the fuck up. If so, shut the fuck up and pay more money.
Juggernaut31 9 months ago
@Ky0uran So to sum it all up for you, shut the fuck up.
We have to keep the annoying dregs down, ya know?
aegisfate117 9 months ago
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Nah. Taxes are glorified stealing.
Thadigitalkid 9 months ago
Well, it is about time..
d0ctafluffy 9 months ago
I love these people.
sharonisrelative 9 months ago
Why don't they just donate to the government?
VTAcraft 9 months ago
@VTAcraft Because they're patriotic, not stupid.
bws12r 9 months ago
@bws12r That doesn't make any sense. Even if they understood that a uniform tax would mean more government revenue, every dollar that these people save is a dollar that could have gone to government. And, since they seem to believe that America needs more government revenue, they are contradicting themselves by witholding this money from government.
Sorry, they have no credibility until they start leading by example.
VTAcraft 9 months ago
Thank you, Patriotic Millionaires. Fiscal responsibility is everybody's responsibility, not just the bottom income tier.
DudeMannigan 9 months ago
when the time comes for a vote next year...the patriotic millionaires will hire patriotic lobbyists and demand taxes be reduced further on the rich and super rich categories. this is just a tidy mind fuck on dumb americans. theses millionaires are beginning to fear the unwashed masses they despise coming together and reclaiming their fallen republic. don't let this good ol' boys network PSA sway you, they want you dead. return the favor.
ShitWrangler 9 months ago
typical spin by msnbc. higher tax brackets have always hurt the economy. if these handful of second generation wealthy are serious, they are able to pay more taxes as they wish.
garand 9 months ago
Those millionaires can pay extra taxes. The IRS allows it.
TheAethereal 9 months ago 2
@TheAethereal
Exactly. I wonder why they insist on publicizing themselves. Just shut up and give the government more money to waste on the military industrial complex. What a bunch of crap.
When will people understand that the fiscal problem in the U.S. has nothing to do with tax revenue and everything to do with out of control spending (Drug war, War on terror, wars/bombing/occupation in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Libya, etc. and a million promises they can't keep)
myhipsi 9 months ago
@myhipsi
So, pretty much everything Eisenhower warned us about like what 60 years ago+?
m0deth 9 months ago
@m0deth
You got it!
myhipsi 9 months ago
16 people are millionaires
GustoMaximus 9 months ago
The Agenda Project should have done a little better job using clips and dubbing over peoples voices, at least this clip would have been more believable. Looks like those millionaires are lip synching worse then a Milli Vanilli Concert. Nice idea though! But yea...
SnowmanGTR457 9 months ago
If I was a multi-millionaire or billionaire; I would naturally be fine with parting with some of my share to help those less fortunate.
ampabioscience 9 months ago
I hope those millionaires weren't all hot air and are serious about it. In the meantime, I have serious rage issues against any of the social elites today. I literally lack empathy if something horrible happens to Ivy leaguers or some snobby sports elite.
Shippoyasha 9 months ago
what a joke
Hubibon 9 months ago
I saw a documentary on this phenomenon, I think they were airing it on April the 1st. XD
isti82 9 months ago
The fundamental paradox of the American right is that they want European levels of welfare state whilst paying constantly reduced taxes. I don't disagree that taxes need to become more transparent and understandable, but the basic idea that those with the most monetary wealth pay for the welfare of the vulnerable is one the successes of civilisation - in my opinion.
CountryQuestion 9 months ago
Makes me proud! Love you guys!
VoidOnTuesday 9 months ago
I would never have expected this! I hope the conservatives will not hush this down with their influence & power. Rich patriots however, also have influence & power!
~EPIC BATTLE OF TITANS~
(I'm from Norway, which is a social democracy with high taxes and a strong state.. FTW)
komfyrion 9 months ago
god bless them
ciproxr 9 months ago
If they want to voluntarily contribute more, they are already welcome to. Go for it.
awboy 9 months ago
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They can pay more if they want to right now, what they really want is for the government to STEAL even more than they already do
willibold 9 months ago
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You guys believe this?
Millionaires wanting to pay more? Sure!
Beter tittle would be Millionaires who realize that the shit's about to hit the fan and there target NO. 1.
How about since our government is pretty much a high priced prostitute (No disrespect to real prostitutes), do these patriots not take their money and hire some pimps (Lobbyists) to go ahead and represent and represent our interests as american patriots or whatever. Just use your saved tax money...
Ya that's what I thought
AnarchoHumanism 9 months ago
@AnarchoHumanism Congratulations on being so intelligent with your feedback that you don't even know the difference between there, their, and they're. You also lack basic sentence structure.
jakebm13 9 months ago 2
@jakebm13 Thank you Jake because we all know intelligence has to do with sentence structuring, and nothing to do with the fact hat English is my 3rd language. I guess I should shut up because apparently only intelligent well structured opinions are allowed. What if you instead comment on the message?!
AnarchoHumanism 9 months ago
Finally, millionaires who aren't trying to screw America.
ThwartedVillainy 9 months ago
Nobody is stopping them from cutting a check to the goverment. They have a right to give all their wealth away if they like. But they won't. The truth is, they are trying to force everone else to pay more so they can keep more of theirs. They probably made their wealth through bail outs or Real estate which have failed at the coutrys expense. The country being you and me and our kids. Guilty conscience?
gregoryjamesaustin 9 months ago
If they want put their money "back into the economy" they can:
1: Invest it in something.
2: Give it to charity.
3: Give it to someone else.
4: Give it to their local, State, or Federal Government who might uses it in place of taxes (inflationary or otherwise).
Just putting their money in a bank means the bank will invest that money something.
Nobody has any ground to stand upon in requesting higher Taxes cause Taxes are the forced extraction of money from everyone.
Monorprise 9 months ago
If they were really serious, they should release their tax forms (of course blacking out any personal information). I want to see if they put their money where their mouth is, and see that there aren't any tax deductibles, and no hired CPA went in there and got them any type of tax breaks and show that to the media before they are interviewed. Then we'll see some actual credibility.
letslookatallfacts 9 months ago
Last time I checked, you can donate your money to the United States Treasury. These individuals should put their money where their mouths are by sending a check payable to:
Gifts to the United States
U.S. Department of the Treasury
Credit Accounting Branch
3700 East-West Highway, Room 622D
Hyattsville, MD 20782
td84 9 months ago 2
@td84
Exactly -- no one is stopping them! If they feel inclined to give more to fill the government trough -- send away!
lemmieemmie 9 months ago
@td84 That's great if a few millionaires do that. It still doesn't change the tax code
crejoseph 9 months ago
So let me get this straight. We have structured an economy and a society that asymmetrically benefits millionaires... so let's change tax code to compensate for the adverse effects, the SYMPTOMS of the real PROBLEM, instead of addressing said real problem. The real problem being a government that works in the interest of corporate elites while pretending not to. Yup. ALL ABOARD THE FAIL BOAT! I hear compensating by attacking symptoms rather than root causes always works the way it's meant to...
dawimythnotolo 9 months ago
They can always donate voluntarily. There's several methods of doing so. Don't tell us that the government efficiently spends our tax money, or that government spending hasn't grown faster than the nation's GDP. Anyone who's been paying attention knows that it isn't so.
dana2k 9 months ago
I couldn't help but notice several places where the audio doesn't match what the lips are saying... And you want me to believe this crap?
hopmedic 9 months ago
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YoungIvyScholar 9 months ago
wait. so a handful of millionaires want to voluntarily give more to taxes, so that means we should raise the taxes and demand all americans making more than $250, 000 pay for all the failed liberal programs we can imagine?
that's funny logic.
jboze3131 9 months ago
What a joke... these ultra rich type could just write checks if they wanted.... what they are *really* pushing for is to jack up the taxes of couples who make $125k per spouse. Classic misdirection.
corncat 9 months ago
I say Raise the Taxes on anyone who makes over $100,000 a Year! Force them to shut down their businesses, and ship all the Jobs to Mexico and China! Who needs them!
Joejam2845 9 months ago
Very well done. Get it to a 30 sec spot and put on the airwaves.
librarychickiegmail 9 months ago
This is right on. Any bets, that they might be Democrat's??
sunnyc8 9 months ago
This is right on. Any bets, that they might be Democrat's??
sunnyc8 9 months ago
Thumbs up ^...
Rixar13 10 months ago
Also, a person making multiple millions can pay 70-90% in taxes and still be wealthy.
SpaneenOomlong 10 months ago
@SpaneenOomlong They pay on average of 12-15% after all their deductions and kickbacks. How the heck can anyone honestly believe the FOX BS that they're paying 70-90%
imjaspr 9 months ago
Look at Cavuto's smarmy face during his interviews. He's offended that someone else is a better person by giving back.
bangitsmom 10 months ago
Proof that not all millionaires are greedy, grasping weasels. Bravo to these fine individuals, who are willing to sacrifice for the good a nation that needs their help now more than ever.
delitasan 10 months ago
Of course the Patriotic Millionaires should not wait for the very slow US government to see the light. They should donate as much as they can to the US Bureau of the Public Debt
Blacksabbathrules22 10 months ago
Good feature! Thanks for posting, I hope this shames the Kochs into seeing the light (yeah, right...)
thesoundsmith 10 months ago
If I could put in a plug. Check us out on Facebook. "Republicans are idiots and arguing with them is a waste of time by addictinginfo."
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1986hangman 10 months ago
I love you guys! Our period of greatest prosperity and infrastructure, the Eisenhower Years, was characterized by a *90%* tax rate. That's too much, but right now? Too little.
iolanthela 10 months ago 80
@iolanthela There was NEVER a 90% tax rate you idiot.
imjaspr 9 months ago
@imjaspr From 1951 to 1963, the top marginal tax rate was actually above 90% for those making $400,000 a year. But I would never call you an idiot.
tonewheel 9 months ago