Elizabeth I & Mary Queen of Scots - 1/6

[val2751]

Glenda Jackson was my favourite Elizabeth too.

[MusicAndHPLover]

Actually, Mary wasn't still married to Darnley when she tried for Norfolk.

Marry's first husband, Prince of France, died of a serious tumour caused by an ear infection; her second died from being supposedly murdered by the Earl of Bothwell; and her third, Bothwell in fact, their marriage was annulled after the battle Battle of Langside in agreement with the Lords of Parliament. It's quite complicated to learn - I'm studying the relationship between her and Elizabeth for my a-level.

[NicolaWriter]

The difference between Queen Mary and Queen Elizabeth is that Queen Mary ruled with her heart and Queen Elizabeth used her head.

[EEEL123]

The bit before the title card isn't really relevant. Water dripping off a chain or a burning pole aren't the most British things and nor are they very historical.

[keylllogdark]

hail Finland...

[blue2765]

This man seems to be in love with Elizabeth.  His narration is kind of creepy.

[calihartley2010]

@blue2765 SHUT UP AND LISTEN.

[JamalDOA]

So Queen Lizzy was a shrewd politician, ay?

[ohjujubeeme]

I am a Henry VIII and Elizabeth history freak but I must say, I have never done proper reading on the subject of Queen Elizabeth and Mary Queen of Scots. Can anyone recommend a free internet source where I can read up?

[talitakoomi]

@ohjujubeeme You can't do much better than David Starkey's "Elizabeth I THC parts 1-20" on youtube for a starter. He has written several books on this period, as well as an excellent pair of books giving an overview of British history. They are very interesting and amusing at times and I have read them both twice! As far as the net goes, anything that originates in the UK will be well done and accurate. It's nice to know there are other history buffs out there! The 1500's were a hell of a time!

[happybkwrm]

Would anyone be upset if Mary and Elizabeth were KINGS? Or would they basically say, "Damn, the KING of Scots was stupid to ask the KING of England for help."

If it was King Michael running off to England to beg King Edmund, no one would be surprised or upset that King Edmund hacked Michael's head off for being too weak and too stupid to hold his throne.

Basically, Mary Stuart is worshipped for behaving like the stereotypical female, crying and wringing her hands. And breeding.

[laconsolacion888]

littlemisssunnydale, thank you for posting these videos, they are truly amazing. I have searched for these videos for a long time and I am most thankful for your efforts.

[ryanwfort]

The historian in this biography is disgustingly bias. Elizabeth was clever yes, but whatever way you look at it they both had very difficult lives. However, Mary no matter what way you look at it, at the end was treated very unjustly. Mary, never an English subject, was imprisoned in England by Elizabeth. Keep in mind when Mary's rebel lords came to England Elizabeth paid them to go back to Scotland, but kept Mary in prison. Elizabeth had no right to imprison Mary.

[markedexclusive]

@ryanwfort Most historians would agree that Mary lacked the political acumen necessary to become a successful ruler. You can contest that she was treated badly by Elizabeth and had no right to be since she was never an English subject, but she basically flung herself in Elizabeth's mercy when she fled Scotland. Elizabeth was treated badly by her sister Mary I of England as well, but she had the patience and wisdom to successfully navigate herself away from any threat. Mary didn't.

[klutzylynn]

@ryanwfort Completely agree that this Historian is completely biased! I don't really enjoy this historian. Starkey is more interesting and he certainly offers insight rather than prejudice opinions.

[dreamer777able]

@klutzylynn Elizabeth held Mary accountable for her actions. She killed one husband, married his murder, then tried to marry the Duke of Norfolk while still married and overthrow and murder Elizabeth. Mary played the martyr, but she is no martyr for any cause or religion. She and Elizabeth both used religion as justification for their actions, but the truth is Mary was given better justice than she gave to her own beloved husband. Elizabeth used her head, Mary paid the price for her stupidity.

[happybkwrm]

@ryanwfort Mary should have stayed out of England, then. She shouldn't have barged in and demanded an army. She'd allowed her first father-in-law to proclaim her "Queen of England" when Mary Tudor died, she refused to sign the treaty of Edinburgh giving up that claim; what the heck did she think Elizabeth was going to do? Hand Mary a weapon to stab her in the back?

The Scots kicked Mary Stuart OUT. She was lucky not to be torn apart by a mob. So she ran off to England instead of France? Dumb.

[msmistluve]

whats the music?? thank you for uploadiin ^^

[PrincessMioneKag]

I am shocked no one poisoned her with all the trouble that was taken to get rid of her mother and her sister...Spain still hated her.

[louisEX2]

yo the way they killed mary, queen of scots was crazy. and whats even more incredible is that they have a video made in 1895 recording it and u can see her getting her head chopped off. seriously epic

[basingstokeborn]

If I had not known that it was not in the character of Mary to murder anyone I would have been fooled by this. In fact the trial of Mary was a farce. All the documents produced were copies and nothing in her handwriting or with her cypher was shown. She was not allowed a defence.So the fantastic story of Babington was woven. In factr if Mary had become Protestant there would have been no difficulties. She died because she was a catholic. She was indeed martyred. This made Britain?

[happybkwrm]

@basingstokeborn Oh, please. MAYBE she never killed anyone, but she stood around wringing her hands and begging other people to take care of her problems. "Boo-hoo. Will no one rid me of Darnley?" Then she married his murderer and THEN she ran off to England - a country she had tried to claim for her own - when she could have had sanctuary in France. She wasn't a martyr for her faith. She was a foolish woman who couldn't face responsibility.

[basingstokeborn]

@happybkwrm Darnley`s refusal to do royal duties inuriated her but she never desired his death. We know now that at Kirk O`Fields she slept with him. Proof - the twins born in Loch Leven Castle in September. She was foolish to trust Elizabeth who was determined she would not succeed to the English throne as a Catholic. so Mary was unjustly imprisoned then murdered. She was seized, raped and forced into a Protestant marriage by Bothwell ,she had nobody to trust in a land of Treachorous nobles.

[justianowski]

what is the pink stuff at 4:27 under the blood?

[basingstokeborn]

The trouble with Mary is that she thought that being religiously tolerant, caring for the people, and trying to find the good in everyone she could be a monarch in a time when every noble was grasping, greedy, and out for himself. Elizabeth never made that mistake, having herslef plotted in two rebillions the downfall of Mary Tudor. By the way she was sexuallya abused by Seymour with the full knowledge of Catherine Parr, who sometimes made up a threesome.in bed.

[happybkwrm]

@basingstokeborn Mary thought being a Royal meant that she was untouchable. She was a queen since an infant, so she grew up with people sucking up to her. She was raised in a "hothouse" with the French royal children, where all her wishes were granted instantly. She never had to face reality until her first husband died and suddenly she was on her own. Not surprisingly, she was totally unprepared for the reality of being a queen. Elizabeth grew up knowing her life could be ended at any time.

[happybkwrm]

Elizabeth was prepared to be Queen. She was prepared for the sacrifices she had to make to be a queen. Mary never realized that being a queen meant work and sacrifice and ruthlessness. She'd spent her life being trained to be a Consort and wife, not a ruler. She was ill-prepared for real life and an incompetent politician.

[basingstokeborn]

@happybkwrm Certainly she grew up with priviliges. So did Elizabeth. The difference was Elizabeth plotted against Mary Tudor to attain her goal and was ready to kill for it. Mary was not. She was soft. When her uncle a cardinal sent for the dauphin and her to watch Huguenots being murdered she left the platform in disgust accompsanied by the jdauphin. . Francies II her husband prayed on his deathbed forgiveness"For all forgiveness the vile crimes committed in his name". Her tiral was illegal

[happybkwrm]

@basingstokeborn There's no proof Elizabeth ever plotted Mary Tudor's death. NONE. There's plenty of evidence that Mary Stuart tried to gain the English throne - from the beginning, when she refused to ratify the Treaty of Edinburgh. She allowed her father-in-law to declare her Queen of England when Mary Tudor died. She was not just "soft", she was spineless. A Queen can't be "soft" and be an effective ruler. She may have been a "Good Woman", all soft and feminine. But she was a bad queen.

[yoize]

wonderful - have never seen this one before

[greenleaflink]

Does anyone know if this is a stand alone documentary or part of a series?

If it also available on DVD?

-thank you

[EnglishHuscarl]

@greenleaflink It's part of a series. They are called A History of Britain.

[Iusedtobeacat93]

@greenleaflink It's not stand alone. It's a documentary Called A History of Britain you can view the entire documentary in Youtube just type History of Britain.

[Peacekeeper88]

If anyone's got any idea what "tracks" or rather, pieces of music were used in this production, I'd be most grateful.

[alanheath]

I thought Mary died of pituitary tumour which although it controls things like lactation is not actually in the womb or thereabouts but in the brain.

A totally irrelevant, useless piece of information ..... sorry... back to the history now...

[sw8074]

@alanheath Your comment is irrelevant. You are a jerk!

[alanheath]

@sw8074 Probably. But not as much as jerk as you.

[PeaceLoveSmile4]

mary queen of scots: "...no virgin, that's for sure!"

haha ehh?

[disamjisa]

One of Britain's greatest monarchs. I encourage anyone to read the Alison Weir biography; it is fairly long, but an extraordinary read.

Television just does not do this woman, this Queen, and the extraordinary people around her, true justice.

Though of all the docos, Schama is definitely the best.

[bella22010]

"she simply adored being adored.."

[fleurgi]

biased as usual against Mary

[Jamestopboy]

Personally, I think everything she did up to having her son, was fine... then she became dumb

[happybkwrm]

@Jamestopboy I think she was always rather foolish. Her marriage to Darnley was unwise... he was immature, selfish, arrogant, and worst of all (to the Scots and Elizabeth), a Catholic. She couldn't have made a worse choice of husband if she sat down and thought... "How can I offend EVERYONE?" Then of course, she married the man who was probably his murderer. Then she ran to England instead of a Catholic country. Not smart.

[AWickedMind]

Notice how women are portrayed without eyelashes in all the portraits back then- did 16th century people consider eyelashes unattractive lol?? I know they found very large foreheads attractive, and women born without them even purposefully receeded their hairlines, and that when it came to mouths, the tinier the better. Modern tastes are so different! They would have thought Angelina Jolie was hideously deformed or something.

[Turminak]

@AWickedMind I think that today, in fact...

[natassjabasher]

@AWickedMind I used to think the same, but actually the eyelashes in the portraits have simply faded with age.

I agree they had some very strange ideas about beauty!

[alanheath]

@AWickedMind A rather fascinating piece of information - thanks for pointing it out!

[enjoyyourday1712]

elizabeth was known for looking like her farther other than her mothers dark eyes.

[enjoixander]

The BBC promotes this? What a shame! It will be so devestating once people learn the truth about the fraudulent family in the royal seats. Through trickery the media decieved the world. How easy the people are lead astray by the media. Who rules the world but the media. What a shame! Never the truth as long as they have their freedoms to manipulate and decieve.

[Viorica8957]

Interesting, though a tad sexist- I wasn't too thrilled to hear Elizabeth's appearance listed among her "good qualities" or the way he scoffed at Mary's lack of virginity.

[yerk3]

Viorica8957: How did he "scoff" at Mary's lack of virginity, other than in mentioning Elizabeth's supposed virginity? Elizabeth was called the "virgin queen," because she never married and never had kids, and in the 16th century, sex out of wedlock was something people wouldn't dare to even suggest, especially for a hereditary dictator whose word was law, who ruled as God's representative on Earth, and whose person was considered sacred.

[Ellendurer]

If you read transcripts of history you would know that she had a love affair with Admiral Thomas Seymour at a young age, then with Sir Walter Raleigh who betrayed her with Lady Elizabeth her lady in waiting. Women were very careful to have a close net group who helped not only the kings, but queens in their affairs of the heart. Read history books it will help, not fiction

[yerk3]

Ellendurer: I think you'll notice that I never said that Elizabeth was actually a virgin for her entire life, but that this was the public image. She may have had affairs, but these would have been kept very secret, due to the social and religious environment of the time.

[Ellendurer]

Dah you think. She did not want anyone to assume she was linked to a man for support as it weakened her as a ruler. She had to appear that no man was stronger than herself. It works the same today in society. When you are married the 1st thing asked is what does your husband do and you are judged on his career rather than your accomplishments. Times have not really changed in the gender world because women choose to demean themselves. No I am not a gay, & have a wonderful supportive husband

[yerk3]

Also, the talk of her appearance, along with her intelligence and charisma, was one of the things that she was known for by her contemporaries. It was part of her public image.

[ilovepurplebanana]

"Dark Boleyn eyes"?

I thought she had Henry's blue eyes..

[Albukhshi]

I just looked at some of her portraits, and she really does boleyn eyes. you can double check her.

even the portrait @ 5:17 has her with those eyes.

[haypenny]

No, her eyes were black as night and piercing as daggers. Whitened face and flame hair. And her body remained young looking until the end of her life.

[ilovepurplebanana]

Well, they weren't blue like I had thought, but they also weren't black. On Wikipedia it says: "In the film, and as emphasized in its promotion, Elizabeth has bright blue eyes (Cate Blanchett's natural eye color); however, Elizabeth is well known for having the deep amber brown eyes of her mother, Anne Boleyn, and the bright red hair of her father, Henry VIII. Blanchett has sensitive eyes, so she was unable to wear coloured contacts for her role. "

[haypenny]

Yeah, it's rather silly how Hollywood tends to present 'ideals' over reality. Like how movies about Christ, or other biblical figures were always so blue-eyed in movies. Oh well.

My favorite 'Elizabeth' was Glenda Jackson. She was amazing.

[ThePeterBluth]

@haypenny Because the ideal is far more fascinating than reality in the eyes of most people because it gives you an idea of human potential.

[kellys1999]

No she was known for having deep amber colored eyes. But of course she did get her hair from her father.

[101smerfie]

what is his problem with elizabeth.

[HorseyHaru]

I know right he gets a bit passionate :S

[psyche100]

Actually Starkey really likes Elizabeth, in all his writings and documentaries he speaks very highly of her, he just sees her more as a human, with good and bad sides, instead of glorifying her or demeaning her.

[cinnamonteak]

i thought he's simon schama

[Albukhshi]

it is, but psyche was discussing Starkey.

[alanheath]

@psyche100 I also see a strong difference in the opinion of Elizabeth between Starkey and Schauma! I think this makes for more interesting history.

[cinnamonteak]

i like that he presents an unvarnished truth on elisabeth. i love elizabeth but too much brown nosing prevents us from seeing the true her. the fact that she is flawed yet she escaped the trap of marrying the wrong man and ruled england for a long time..showed her strength.

[luvsmovies79]

Mary's weakness was men it appeared. In her case being so beautiful as well didn't seem to help. Being beautiful and unwise when it comes to the opposite sex is a bad combination. Elizabeth learned her lessons early--so she wasn't as impulsive.

[DuttyGyal718]

i agree. her father influenced her more or less romantically as well.

:-P

[XxCrazygal2007xX]

im assuming this guy doesnt like elizabeth much?

[PelonLatino]

Every time when I woman is strong in character and inteligent is always critizised. I like Elizabeth very strong woman!!! thanks for download the us to enjoy and give our opinion.

[denisonM]

PelonLatino, people criticize everone dumb ass. Women are not above critizing, people criticize Henry all the time and any public figure, quite using gender as an excuse for incompotence. STFU!

[soccergirl97979]

u kno when the historian guy was listing off all the negative attributes of elizabeth ull find those were all the traits of her parents in her. lol

[InnateNobility]

It's about time somebody did, she's over-glorified and human like everyone else. She did much for England, but as a person she was pretty shadey in her dealings.

[Patrick3183]

They have this girl narrating "as" Elizabeth with the most woefully downmarket English accent

[quillendaniel]

Thanks for uploading.

[Ladissea]

Mary Queen of Scots was an idiot

[katrina345]

no she was not she was trying to keep her sons reighn safe as so many people were threatening her and her sons life so get lost

[InnateNobility]

Mary made many faulty decisions in her life but she was like her paternal grandmother, Princess Margaret Tudor of England, Queen of Scotland before her. She was a cool, quick thinker in short-term decisions but careless and impulsive in long-term choices, and didn't think things through since like her grandmother Margaret before her, she was susceptible to her desires and inclinations over the greater good most of the time.

[InnateNobility]

It was the political and religious difficulties of the 16th century that forced Mary and Elizabeth to rival one another. King Henri II of France had instilled the idea being entertained that she was the rightful Queen of England after Mary Tudor's death. However, Mary herself was skeptical of the claim but also knew she possessed Tudor blood, and a massive ruby brooch called "The Great Harry," a gift given from Henry VII to Margaret Tudor before her journey north to Scotland.

[InnateNobility]

By that time, nearly the whole isle of Britain was steep in the Protestant faith, and when Mary came back to fulfill her adult reign in Scotland, she was one of the small number of Catholics there. Whatever faithful noble families remained, the unruly and audacious Protestant nobles were in the pay of Elizabeth -- whom in her brilliance and deviousness at once -- made a pact with Mary's bastard half-brother James Stewart to keep Mary "in line." She was't an angel, but Mary also was a victim.

[Ellendurer]

While I think Elizabeth was one of the greatest rulers, and it is documented, Mary (older sister, had a horrible life as a child being kept from her mother, degraded by being a nurse maid to Elizabeth (when she was an infant). With no parents around to show her love, and being in the presence of Anne Boleyn who wanted her death to insure the throne Mary had it really hard.

[InnateNobility]

She is, but not without any faults at all. People tend to overglorify her just because she did what most rulers didn't and the fact she was a woman. Mary was very close to Elizabeth in her desire to rule, and she had kind and tolerant qualities at her disposal. You can blame all of the tragedy in Mary's life on Henry VIII, who complicated the English Act of Succession even after it was finalized in the 1540's.

[lookinglass123]

Crudely put, but I agree.

[girlznguitarz]

Why do you say this, explain your answer please?

[lauraCactus]

Muchas gracias from Spain!!!

Thanks for all the videos..they are really interesting

[AZYRIELLAVESTA]

omg THANK YOU FOR UPLOADING THIS I SHALL WATCH ALL OF THEM TONIGHT!

[starrynightz]

Love it! thanks.

[kirz778]

Thanks for posting! The history of the British Monarchy is so interesting!

[sjfriend]

i know, i dont know why but im obsessed!

[littlemisssunnydale]

Thank you!

[FragileThings331]

An update just in time for the Holidays, Thank you!

[littlemisssunnydale]

That's ok! :)

[danielapazv]

.. I can't wait for the next par.. it's really interesting vid.

Also hope you have a great new year...:D

[littlemisssunnydale]

Thank you; Happy New Year!!

The rest is up now.

[iluvKiba4ever]

Definitely want to watch the next part! Thank you for uploading! :)

[littlemisssunnydale]

Thank you! The rest is up.

[Elisabetta611]

Ooooooooooooohhhhhhh! Can't wait for the next parts!!!! Thank you!

[littlemisssunnydale]

That's ok!! The rest is up now