He should check out the page: What is British citizenship?
Then: Who already has British citizenship?
Then: Who is a British overseas territories citizen? (To correct himself on the citizenship of Gibraltarians and Falklanders).
Meh ha. He should just then apply for Irish citizenship, I'm pretty sure the Irish government extends a welcome to all Northern Irish applicants as per their agreement with the British.
You guys still at it? People from Northern Ireland, part of the United Kingdom, are British citizens. naryanr is just a complete frcikin' idiot he doesn't even know he's a British citizen.
He should check the Home Office website for information on British citizenship. That is if they give him access to a computer before his meds are due.
I found out the other day that I (as an uninformed Englishman) have believed Holland and the Netherlands to be the same place only to discover that Holland is merely the biggest part of the Netherlands and have been using the names interchangably for years. I suspect I'm not alone.
@naryanr Gibraltar, Gibraltarian/British. Falklands, Falklanders/British. Being British is more than just being born on mainland Britain. The UK has sovereignty in many parts of the world, that people over the world have elected to keep. Like when Spain reclaimed Gibraltar, and the people there voted to remain under British sovereignty, effectively calling and keeping themselves "British".
You are British. You can dislike the term like many Brits do. But there it is. >.0
@UnitedKingdomify I don't know what you've been smoking but British people come from Britain. I don't come from Britain. I come from Northern Ireland. People from Gibraltar don't come from Britian. They come from Gibraltar. Gibraltar isn't Britain. We're not British.
Even the NAME of the "UK" is "The United Kingdom of Great Britain AND Northern Ireland".
@naryanr lol... whatever man. Go visit the Falklands or Gibraltar. I tried explaining in pretty simple terms. But no, you're right, "Herp derp, doi, you have to be born on a place called uh-hyuk, Brit'un in order to be British!"
lol... it's nice and simple logic and I can see how you came to think that. But even after I corrected you, you cling to it. Well, good luck with it.
If you're not Irish or British, as you said in your first comment, you're certainly a, uh... moron.
@naryanr Well British can mean a number of things, Great Britain, British Isles, UK, or people and territories under the UK.
It's not just in black and white, just because you want to be politically Irish, doesn't mean your not geographically British. I mean do you consider yourself politically and/or geographically European?
@Ionlyfearphobophobia Who said I want to be politically Irish? Either way, it doesn't change the fact that we're not geographically British. I don't see what the Europe question has to do with anything either.
You say it's not black and white. It is. In all of the top 5 dictionaries that Google suggests, "Britain" is defined as England, Scotland and Wales.
@naryanr Britain might be defined as such, but "British" isn't. You idiot. What is a British overseas territory? It is British. What can people under British sovereignty, born in a British overseas territory, call themselves, and indeed do call themselves?
British.
What do Unionists in Northern Ireland call themselves, in FACT, what are they?
British.
In your first comment you said you weren't Irish, British, or English. I'd LOVE to know what you think you are, then. Northern Irish? What?
@UnitedKingdomify If your goal is to be offensive then you're either going to have to try a LOT harder or find another way of winning arguments, cause it's not going to work here.
What does the BNP call black people? Evil. I don't care, they can think what they like. Unionists think they're English, Nationalists think they're Irish. It still makes no difference. Yeah I am Northern Irish, and so are they.
@naryanr lol... your BNP analogy is flawed. And I'm not trying to be offensive.
Yes they are Northern Irish. They are also British. You're taking idiocy to stratospheric new heights you retard.
S'more than just titles. Do you know what the term sovereign means? Look it up in your top five Google dictionary definitions. British overseas territories are under British sovereignty. The people are British subjects. It's a not hard to understand throwback from there once being a global British Empire.
@UnitedKingdomify *Even if* the land itself was British, doesn't mean the people are British. If that was the case, then when India was part of the Empire then instantly there was no such thing as an "Indian" because they were all instantly British, and India couldn't have regained it's independence because there is no such thing as Indians.
Your insults are really getting pathetic. It seems like that's all you can do when your argument falls to pieces. Sad really. But you may grow up some day.
@naryanr "If that was the case, then when India was part of the Empire then instantly there was no such thing as an "Indian" because they were all instantly British..."
LOL who said that? That's your own crazy notion. It doesn't mean that at all. My gawd I'm wasting my time here.
I'm English/British. There are Gibraltarian/British, Northern Irish/British. They're not, not mutually exclusive for fuck sake. You are by the very nature of the way things ARE, BOTH British and [X].
@naryanr When I say subjects I mean citizens. The status of British Overseas Territories citizen relates to persons holding British nationality by virtue of a connection with a British Overseas Territory.
@Ionlyfearphobophobia Well the nationality of people from Scandinavia isn't Scandinavian. I don't see why you think the name "British Isles" should count for anything.
@Ionlyfearphobophobia 2. Of course THIS name matters. If you can't understand the meaning of the word "country" then you sure as hell shouldn't be "teaching" people geography. FYI, the UK is a "country", Britain/British Isles aren't.
1. If it's British then "why the fuck" isn't it in Britain?
@Ionlyfearphobophobia India and Pakistan are countries. Therefore that is not the same.
To say that it's a designated place, which in turn is part of another "not-country", which in turn exists within another *actual* country doesn't make sense. Either it's part of England, which it's not, or it's part of another "country", which it is.
@naryanr I dont think your brain has the ability to comprehend something can be more that one thing. India, just like Britain, is more then one thing. There's the Indian subcontinent, and the country of India.
Now to go back to my original question, do you consider yourself European (politically or geographically)?
@Ionlyfearphobophobia Even if I could be bothered forming an opinion whether or not I'm European it wouldn't make any difference.
Europe is a continent. It holds sway in many different ways.
"British Isles" means NOTHING. Not only is it NOT internationally recognised in any way, you normally won't even HEAR the phrase outside England. Not only is it not official, it's not even USED in ROI
Just because the best you can do is laughably weak "your brain" comments, doesn't change anything, sorry.
@Ionlyfearphobophobia I'm not going to bring my opinion on Europe into this because you're clearly a troll and you feed on irrelevance.
Since you've admitted you have a tendency to spout crap that isn't true, I don't see any point in this continuing. You're argument is dried up and dead, you've got nothing left but insults. This is becoming pathetic.
@naryanr How is it irrelevant? Europe is a continent, which is geographical location. Ireland is in said geographical location, you are Irish, do i need to get out the black board?
What you are, (geographically) is, Irish, British, European, etc, etc. Now you can chose which one of those you want to be politically, but not geographically. You are who you are, deal with it.
@Ionlyfearphobophobia Let's suppose I am European. Does that make me British? No. It doesn't make me British. The term "British Isles" doesn't count for ANYTHING internationally. It's just *your* own little term for it. That's all. Not in ROI, not anywhere else. No different from N/S Korea bitching that the other Korea isn't Korea, "geographically" or otherwise.
You can get out a blackboard if you like pretending to be a teacher, but it doesn't mean I'm British just because you like the idea.
@Ionlyfearphobophobia Yeah switch to something else cause your argument isn't really working where it counts. Nice move.
It's an official term to YOU. In ROI the "official term" is "Britain and Ireland". I know it hurts you real bad that no one cares about your name for it, but we're not what you fancy us to be. Deal with it.
@Ionlyfearphobophobia Because in your imperial ignorance think that I still don't understand cats and dogs when it's YOU who's desperately running away from the point.
You *actually* think because it's in the DICTIONARY it is an official term that determines the status of a country of people now? Really? THAT'S the basis of your argument? Even "LOL" is in there.
In no documents between Irish and British governments is the term "British Isles" to be found. It's been agreed, that's not their name.
Europe is a continent. "British Isles" isn't. Countries have to be part of a continent. So why don't you try basing your argument on what's *actually* been said and not what you have liked me to have said?
If it's a term avoided internationally, intentionally, by the BRITISH government, then that's not its name, and they know it.
Try as many stupid animal questions as you like, it'll not save you from the fact.
@Ionlyfearphobophobia No, I already told you about Scandinavia. OK I've answered your question. Now you answer mine, if the Irish government don't use it, and the British government don't use it, and no other government will use it, preferring to use ANY term that suggests Ireland is not British, because the term is clearly as misleading as it is local, then why won't you admit that Ireland isn't British? Got another stupid question to hide behind?
@Ionlyfearphobophobia It doesn't matter. You'll find the term "Scandinavia". Even the word "Britain" isn't political. Scotland, England, Northern Ireland, Southern Ireland all have their own politics.
Yet, "British Isles" is actively avoided. The British and Irish governments agree with me. So why won't you admit you're wrong?
@naryanr I'm sorry, did you not hear my reply? I'm not talking politically, i'm talking geographically. Geographically doesn't have anything to do with politics.
@Ionlyfearphobophobia Did you not hear MY reply? Neither does Scandinavia or Britain, and yet they're used liberally. The term "British Isles" isn't used anywhere and again I repeat myself, other more accurate terms for such *non-political* areas are used in their stead, by government and others.
@naryanr You do understand what a controversial issue is, dont you?
The only reason why all this controversy over the British isles exists, is because of all the Irish denial over the years. I mean can you imagine if, i dont know, all the English came together and just officially denied being European? Think about it, what would the world be like 100 years from now if thats what happened?
The controversy is that the British have been using a name for a long time that implies the Irish are British when they're not. THAT is why they stopped using it, and that alone.
*No* government (and yes governments can and do refer to non-political places) uses it and the only *people* left using it are British, and your argument is that just because a few people think something doesn't make it true. Your argument is dead.
@Ionlyfearphobophobia The "change" occurs when people generally stop calling it that. The same way any word comes into being. There was no "official" changing from "Πρεττανία", but that doesn't mean that's still its name, and even if there was still a few people who called it that, it still wouldn't be it's name.
@Ionlyfearphobophobia It doesn't technically need a replacement, but in official documentation its replacement is generally "Britain and Ireland", the same thing the Irish call it.
@naryanr Well this is a very controversial debate thats been going on for years, so i doubt were going to get to a conclusion that's anything more than... Agreeing to disagree.
@Ionlyfearphobophobia I don't know why I honestly expected you to do the decent thing, and if you honestly still don't believe you're wrong, then maybe you should start considering this idea as your religion and not merely your opinion, because it sure isn't based on much.
@naryanr So lets be clear what your saying. My opinion is wrong, and your opinion is right, is that what your saying? Because there isn't any relevant facts here.
@Ionlyfearphobophobia My opinion can't be wrong. Neither can yours. It's your *facts* that are wrong, and unfortunately your opinion happens to be associated with them.
@Ionlyfearphobophobia That the reason the Irish are British is due to the difference between "politically" and "geographically" when in fact the term is used in neither situation, nor in any official capacity.
@Ionlyfearphobophobia The official answer is that people with official capacities, operating through official mediums actively avoid the term in any scenario because it is not reflective of the area it is supposed to represent.
I said why isn't it in Britain, and you said "It is geographically" and it is not. That was not an opinion you were stating. You were stating it as if it was a fact. A fact you provided which was, in fact, wrong.
@Ionlyfearphobophobia It is a fact. How *few* people have to still regard something the wrong way before it's wrong? You are *so far under* simply being the minority here it's not even reasonable. It's no more controversy than N/S Korea both being Korea.
I believe my opinion on the matter is aligned with fact and my reason for doing so is that it's formed from fact.
I didn't think you'd stoop to such petty levels before admitting you're wrong, but when you started hurling abuse I had a hunch.
@naryanr ... N/S Korea are Korea, GEOGRAPHICALLY. And that one isn't controversial.
I really dont mean to insult you, but i really think you have a problem in differentiating. As well as geographically and politically, you dont seem to understand the difference between fact and opinion.
Fact; Noun; A thing that is known or proved to be true.
Opinion; Noun; A view or judgement formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.
@Ionlyfearphobophobia It is NOT controversial. You've found this one life line and you're clinging to it because there's no other possible say you could even hope to stalemate on this argument, whereas in reality there is NO controversy. You've MADE IT UP on the basis that you don't like the idea of the Irish not being British.
I know the meaning of the word "geographically" and the word "politically" and Ireland is OFFICIALLY British in NEITHER WAY. FACT.
@Ionlyfearphobophobia Yeah you made it up because you can't stand the idea of being wrong. You're the first person I've ever heard say something as stupid as Ireland is British, and most of my friends live in England.
But I see from your desperately weak, cornered offensive stance that you've truly exhausted your intellect bank on this one. Not good for much other than insults any more, and even the insults are second rate.
@Ionlyfearphobophobia Again you ask irrelevant questions. That's NOT the point. The point is, is there mass disagreement on Ireland being British? The answer is NO.
It's name is irrelevant here.
Some people think it's not the name because it's not representative of what it is, and *almost all* the people who think the name IS OK, say so because the phrase "The British Isles" doesn't make you "British" anyway.
You can change the subject all you want but it'll not get you anywhere.
@naryanr That wasn't my question. Is there mass disagreement on the name of the British isles? Yes or no.
Wait a minute, your saying there isn't any disagreement on Ireland being British? You live in NI for fuck sake. You can't honestly be telling me all the Irish people in NI you know dont think that NI is British?
@naryanr I agree. The term "British Isles" only exists in a legal capacity as a description of the United Kingdom and it's dependencies. Even as a geographical description, it's a term which is not used in any official sense outside of the UK. Therefore, Ireland has the right to use whatever term it desires. Even in Britain, the term didn't come into popular use until the 17th Century.
@Ionlyfearphobophobia That's right. It's just the name of a collection of stuff. The same as me finding an island and calling it "French Republic", it doesn't mean it's geographically or politically France. It's just a name.
If it had any political or geographical sway whatsoever then the official name of the UK wouldn't be "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland".
I dont mind being called british or english, what does annoy me tho is when other countrys only think england is london, they refer to london as being england
@zaprese 'Nationalist' in the context of the SNP means the desire for independence, much like the Indian nationalist movement in the early 20th century. 'Nationalist' in the BNP context means fucking idiotic.
@zaprese no. it is a political party (currently one that forms Scotland's government), that espouses independence from the United Kingdom and left of centre Social Democracy.
@toxicshot I know but you often hear people (often Americans) say England, when they mean the UK. I don't mind being called British. Just not English. Not that I have anything against England . It's just that I'm not from there. :)
@grahamlive It's funny because when I call a Scottish or English person British, they always yell at me saying, "I'm Scottish not British" or "I'm English." And I always sit there thinking, "But you live in Great Britain/British Isles... So you're British." Even with Irish people. They live in the British Isles as well so they're British. That's why I never call someone English if they're not, I just say they're British. But I can pick out each accent fairly well.
@TedTurnersGhost I don't mind being called British because I am British. I prefer Scottish though but as I say I have absolutely no objection to being called British. That would be silly. :)
@SheIsntReal94 But you live in the British Isles... I would consider you as a British person. Also, I don't see why it's so ridiculous. It's not like being British is a bad thing.
@TedTurnersGhost i dont care what you think you see on the map I'm not British do you realise how offensive you are? I think I know my own bloody nationality
@SheIsntReal94 See? This is what I mean... People freak out. Calm down. Yes, you are Irish but to me, you are also British. It's just my opinion. I don't see how it is at all offensive, you must just have some screws loose. I'm Canadian and I don't like being called American because I'm not. But you can call me a North American because I am. It's the same with you. I can't call someone from Ireland Scottish because they aren't. But I can call them British because they are. Get it?
@SheIsntReal94 I can call you Irish as well as British just as you can call me Canadian as well as North American. Also, if you want to get even less specific you can actually call me American if you are referring to the Americas (North and South America)... But that's the same as me calling you European.
@TedTurnersGhost It's just that the Irish have fought for independence for so long and its so hurtful to be thrown in with the british.we are irish.it doesnt matter how close i am to another country ,how small it is,its a seperate place and i would advise you to refrain from calling any irish person british or also british while in ireland.
@SheIsntReal94 Well geographically, the island of Ireland, is part of Britain. The British Isles. I mean i dont like being part of the EU, that doesn't mean i'm not European.
What the people of the "rep of Ireland" are, is politically Irish.
@Ionlyfearphobophobia The people of the UK call the islands the British Isles. But in the Republic of Ireland the're referred to as "Britain and Ireland". They are also known as Atlantic Archipelago. So, although "British Isles" is the most common, it isn't actually universally accepted. Meaning anyone born in "these islands" can't automatically be referred to as "British". Only people in the UK of Britain and Northern Ireland, or overseas territories (Gibraltar, Falklands) are called British.
@SheIsntReal94 "refrain from calling any irish person british or also british while in ireland."
There are thousands of Irish people in Northern Ireland who identify as British. I'd also advise against using the word though, wait 'til they do it first, but the same can be said in Wales, Scotland, and England. There are people in these islands who simply won't use British. A majority do though.
If enough N. Irish voted for a united Ireland (can't see it), what do you think would happen?
@grahamlive as someone who's half Welsh I sometimes describe the Welsh as, "more English than the English"- meaning the Welsh were in Britain before the English, making them the native brits, I do not mean that to mean that they are the Angles, Saxons or Jutes. Also the Scots and Picts (Scottish) were in Britian before the English. How would you feel if you were described as that, because the Scottish were in Britain, before the Enlgish?
@TheBadcrumble That's not because people don't understand they're different places, though, simply because the accents can be difficult to distinguish if you're unfamiliar with them.
Seeing as it was a Scottish King who became king of both countries in 1707, the country should really have been referred to as Scotland and not England.
@MrSelidor7 Be wary with those dates. It was 1603 when King James VI became King James I of Great Britain. I think you´re mixing it up with the union of the parliaments (i.e. Scotland and England) in 1707.Quite different events and both key phases,in importantly different ways,regarding the future (some would term it fate)of Scotland, England, Wales, Ireland (the whole of Ireland) and indeed the "colonies" in America and the embryonic British Empire.But I know what you mean.
And the Welsh name for England is Lloegr which means "The Lost lands" which, in a phrase, tells everyone a lot about the history of these islands. It´s ironic that the English identify with being British when the Anglo-Saxons (hence the Welsh name for the English - Sais and Gaelic Sassunach = Saxon) defined themselves as English until 1603 when the Scottish King James VI became James I of England (including Wales) & particularly 1707-union of the Scottish&English parliaments.
The only history Scotland had with England was abuse. Of course Scotland had abuse with their own rulers too. Why would they want to be part of a nation that doesn't even have their best interests at heart.
I'm a Canadian, so it doesn't affect me one bit, but I think it sucks that Scotland is linked to England because of one king's selfish ambitions.
Scotland needs independence, but they need to get a self-sustaining economy. Meanwhile, their bankruptcy was contrived and should be deleted
As opposed to another kings selfish ambitions? They have done fairly well out of it for the last 200 years, being part of the largest Empire in the world. Unlike Ireland for instance. I'm all for Scottish independence, the sooner the better. Then they can stop moaning about us. However, the difficulty and the cost in achieving this may well not be worth it. But who knows? The Scots can leave whenever they want, just need a majority in the vote. Its all up to them lot.
@tberwick1 Exactly. Scotland has never really seen the UK as a union with England but as a union with "The Empire". The rise of the Empire correlates to 1707 and the decline of the empire correlates precisely with the rise of the SNP and Scottish awareness of nationality.
@robertslistening Scotland's economy would be self-sustaining for a short term at least anyway, Aberdeen is the oil capital of Europe due to Scotland owning a major proportion of oil in the North Sea
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I suffered the wrath of my year 7 form tutor when I moved to Scotland, for saying England when I meant Britain. They do not like it one bit. She hit the roof as if I'd pissed on her desk or something; I was only referring to the Rugby League, she took it as if I'd made a major political statement. I was 13, haha. Oh well, the old hag is dead now.
@PonderBomb You floundering imbecile, Using Age is no justification for RACISM. Then wishing Death on her? Are you Scotophobic? No matter how much QI you "Try" to absorb, you'll still be "delayed" if you get my drift.
@MrPeterHoney - Pick up a dictionary and look up the definition of racism; You will find that you're misinformed, my tiny-brained friend. Scottish isn't a race, you colossal retard. I didn't wish death upon her, I stated that she is now dead, but reading before you post obviously isn't your strong point. Why would I try to "absorb" QI, it's a comedy show. QI stands for "Quite Intelligent"; You must be thinking of IQ, which isn't absorb-able, it's a quota of your intellectual capacity.
@PonderBomb telling me to pick up and read a dictionary? perhaps if you picked up a map of the United kingdom you wouldn't of made such an Arse of yourself Correct? I'm sure there's a map ap for your iphone. How was Burning man last year?
@MrPeterHoney Yes, I'm telling you to check your definition against the one in the dictionary, as you're wrong and your grammar is atrocious. It was a mere slip of the tongue when I was a kid after I'd just moved to Scotland; An easy mistake to make. I don't have an Iphone, so I wouldn't know. I really don't know what you're referring to with the "Burning Man" comment, please elaborate... Share your bullshit wisdom with us all while we laugh at you.
@MrPeterHoney the Scots aren't a race, they're a nation & it's a impossible to be racist towards 1 single nation. I think you meant to say xenophobic. Also, it's not entirely PonderBomb's fault that they didn't realise the significance of their mistake until after they'd made it, it's a cultural thing.
@sasquatch268 England is just one country within the nation of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. But the English tend to refer to themselves as British whereas others, for example the Scottish, refer to themselves by their individual country. Because that's what we call ourselves it's what other people call us, so they say Britain when they're thinking specifically of England.
@animesis "is it So bad to call the whole England, at the end of the day the majority of it uses English
and we can still use our countries to define the smaller constituents"
What? Then by your logic we should call America and Australia, England also. If you seriously can't understand why it is wrong to refer to Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland as England... then god help you.
@animesis well it's simply incorrect. Yes, most people throughout the UK speak English, but most people throughout the US, Canada, Australia & New Zealand speak English, but most people in these countries are not English. Therefore quite clearly not all English-speakers are English, so the fact that most people in the UK speak English clearly doesn't make them English. Is it so bad to call the UK what it actually is (the UK)? The problem is that of course by far most ppl in the UK are English &
Not completely incorrect, for many a decade the UK was represented internationally by the name England, many non english speaking countries name for the UK today is in fact a varient of England. I doubt many people quibbled this at the time as this was just the done thing. I call myself British when im abroad, but I wont start a riot if someone calls the UK England.
Most people who call the UK England are foreigners so I dont think the majority/minority argument has merit here.
@animesis the majority/minority argument is relevant, because the English form the majority of people in the UK & that's why the UK was (& still, by some) England. The UK was never going to be known as Scotland, Wales, Ireland (or since the partition, Northern Ireland), was it?
Please find me this group of people who still use England for the UK. I have yet to see a British person use it for the UK when they mean the UK. Its "simply incorrect" to call citizens of the USA American, but its done. Why this is such a sore point for you when its a part of history now I dont know. Perhaps some people do, most dont. Im not going to castrate someone for calling Britain/UK England. Calling it England does not instantly mean Scotland Wales and N Ireland are absent.
@animesis I've met many people who say the UK most of the time, but sometimes (I think it's called a slip of the tongue) they might talk about the English Parliament (which hasn't existed since 1707), the English Army (same) & the way England fought Germany in the 2nd WW etc. This includes some British people I've met, but mostly foreigners (e.g. the Japanese have one word for British & English - they don't differentiate between the 2 concepts at all). That said, I've never met a Japanese person
Message to all Arseholes: It's not ok to dominate the comments section with your petty arguments, do it through private messages.
Rdburnzy 2 weeks ago
@Rdburnzy idiot.. people can do what they want
LoluskPoo 2 weeks ago
@LoluskPoo That so huh. *major eye-roll*
CruelLatitude 2 weeks ago
He should check out the page: What is British citizenship?
Then: Who already has British citizenship?
Then: Who is a British overseas territories citizen? (To correct himself on the citizenship of Gibraltarians and Falklanders).
Meh ha. He should just then apply for Irish citizenship, I'm pretty sure the Irish government extends a welcome to all Northern Irish applicants as per their agreement with the British.
UnitedKingdomify 3 weeks ago
You guys still at it? People from Northern Ireland, part of the United Kingdom, are British citizens. naryanr is just a complete frcikin' idiot he doesn't even know he's a British citizen.
He should check the Home Office website for information on British citizenship. That is if they give him access to a computer before his meds are due.
UnitedKingdomify 3 weeks ago
So what's the nationality of someone like me who was born in Northern Ireland?
Irish? No.
English? No.
British? No.
naryanr 3 weeks ago
@naryanr Irish, yes. Brit, British, Briton, yes. =)
UnitedKingdomify 3 weeks ago
@UnitedKingdomify I hope you're joking.
naryanr 3 weeks ago
@TheBadcrumble Then Kiwis are cunts.
CymroGoch 3 weeks ago
@TheBadcrumble Then Kiwis are cunts.
CymroGoch 3 weeks ago
I found out the other day that I (as an uninformed Englishman) have believed Holland and the Netherlands to be the same place only to discover that Holland is merely the biggest part of the Netherlands and have been using the names interchangably for years. I suspect I'm not alone.
jimmcconville 3 weeks ago
@jimmcconville There's actually a South Holland and North Holland, which are different provinces.
rippleoffreewill 3 weeks ago
I'm Australian have no idea what the difference between them all is. it would be really good if someone could explain thanks
Samsmilify 3 weeks ago
@Samsmilify Type in on youtube "The Difference between the United Kingdom, Great Britain and England Explained", first video at the top.
I hope this helps.
Ionlyfearphobophobia 3 weeks ago
@Ionlyfearphobophobia thank you it really helped :)
Samsmilify 3 weeks ago
@Samsmilify Britain = England, Scotland Wales
UK = England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland
British Isles = England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, Ireland
naryanr 3 weeks ago
@naryanr Gibraltar, Gibraltarian/British. Falklands, Falklanders/British. Being British is more than just being born on mainland Britain. The UK has sovereignty in many parts of the world, that people over the world have elected to keep. Like when Spain reclaimed Gibraltar, and the people there voted to remain under British sovereignty, effectively calling and keeping themselves "British".
You are British. You can dislike the term like many Brits do. But there it is. >.0
UnitedKingdomify 3 weeks ago 5
@UnitedKingdomify I don't know what you've been smoking but British people come from Britain. I don't come from Britain. I come from Northern Ireland. People from Gibraltar don't come from Britian. They come from Gibraltar. Gibraltar isn't Britain. We're not British.
Even the NAME of the "UK" is "The United Kingdom of Great Britain AND Northern Ireland".
You need to get your facts straight.
naryanr 3 weeks ago
@naryanr lol... whatever man. Go visit the Falklands or Gibraltar. I tried explaining in pretty simple terms. But no, you're right, "Herp derp, doi, you have to be born on a place called uh-hyuk, Brit'un in order to be British!"
lol... it's nice and simple logic and I can see how you came to think that. But even after I corrected you, you cling to it. Well, good luck with it.
If you're not Irish or British, as you said in your first comment, you're certainly a, uh... moron.
How's that? Herp! lol
UnitedKingdomify 3 weeks ago
@UnitedKingdomify naryanr = 1
UnitedKingdomify = 0
naryanr 3 weeks ago
@naryanr *facepalm*
UnitedKingdomify 3 weeks ago
@UnitedKingdomify It's OK, you'll get there one day.
naryanr 3 weeks ago
@naryanr Well British can mean a number of things, Great Britain, British Isles, UK, or people and territories under the UK.
It's not just in black and white, just because you want to be politically Irish, doesn't mean your not geographically British. I mean do you consider yourself politically and/or geographically European?
Ionlyfearphobophobia 3 weeks ago
@Ionlyfearphobophobia Who said I want to be politically Irish? Either way, it doesn't change the fact that we're not geographically British. I don't see what the Europe question has to do with anything either.
You say it's not black and white. It is. In all of the top 5 dictionaries that Google suggests, "Britain" is defined as England, Scotland and Wales.
naryanr 3 weeks ago
@naryanr Britain might be defined as such, but "British" isn't. You idiot. What is a British overseas territory? It is British. What can people under British sovereignty, born in a British overseas territory, call themselves, and indeed do call themselves?
British.
What do Unionists in Northern Ireland call themselves, in FACT, what are they?
British.
In your first comment you said you weren't Irish, British, or English. I'd LOVE to know what you think you are, then. Northern Irish? What?
UnitedKingdomify 3 weeks ago
@UnitedKingdomify If your goal is to be offensive then you're either going to have to try a LOT harder or find another way of winning arguments, cause it's not going to work here.
What does the BNP call black people? Evil. I don't care, they can think what they like. Unionists think they're English, Nationalists think they're Irish. It still makes no difference. Yeah I am Northern Irish, and so are they.
naryanr 3 weeks ago
@naryanr lol... your BNP analogy is flawed. And I'm not trying to be offensive.
Yes they are Northern Irish. They are also British. You're taking idiocy to stratospheric new heights you retard.
S'more than just titles. Do you know what the term sovereign means? Look it up in your top five Google dictionary definitions. British overseas territories are under British sovereignty. The people are British subjects. It's a not hard to understand throwback from there once being a global British Empire.
UnitedKingdomify 3 weeks ago
@UnitedKingdomify *Even if* the land itself was British, doesn't mean the people are British. If that was the case, then when India was part of the Empire then instantly there was no such thing as an "Indian" because they were all instantly British, and India couldn't have regained it's independence because there is no such thing as Indians.
Your insults are really getting pathetic. It seems like that's all you can do when your argument falls to pieces. Sad really. But you may grow up some day.
naryanr 3 weeks ago
@naryanr "If that was the case, then when India was part of the Empire then instantly there was no such thing as an "Indian" because they were all instantly British..."
LOL who said that? That's your own crazy notion. It doesn't mean that at all. My gawd I'm wasting my time here.
I'm English/British. There are Gibraltarian/British, Northern Irish/British. They're not, not mutually exclusive for fuck sake. You are by the very nature of the way things ARE, BOTH British and [X].
I'm done here!
UnitedKingdomify 3 weeks ago
@UnitedKingdomify -1 not* "They're not mutually exclusive".
Now I'm done here. Beating my head against a thick British/Northern Irish wall.
UnitedKingdomify 3 weeks ago
@UnitedKingdomify Whatever man. Run away then. Bye bye :)
naryanr 3 weeks ago
@UnitedKingdomify Of course that's what it means by your messed up logic.
You're right, you're definitely "done".
naryanr 3 weeks ago
@naryanr When I say subjects I mean citizens. The status of British Overseas Territories citizen relates to persons holding British nationality by virtue of a connection with a British Overseas Territory.
UnitedKingdomify 3 weeks ago
@naryanr BNP? Who hur what?
So if there was an island in the world called "French Republic", what the fuck do you call those people if their not French?
All your doing is just cutting hairs. I mean are you saying Jamaicans aren't Caribbeans, because Caribbean is just a word?
Ionlyfearphobophobia 3 weeks ago
@Ionlyfearphobophobia Well the nationality of people from Scandinavia isn't Scandinavian. I don't see why you think the name "British Isles" should count for anything.
naryanr 3 weeks ago
@naryanr Can't you tell the difference between politically and geographically?
Ionlyfearphobophobia 3 weeks ago
@Ionlyfearphobophobia Feel free to enlighten me on a definition of "geography" that means Northern Ireland is British.
naryanr 3 weeks ago
@naryanr Well if we're talking about Northern Ireland, then that is British in all sense of the word.
1. Northern Ireland is geographically part of the "British Isles" (a group of islands in north west Europe).
2. Northern Ireland is politically part of the UK (union of countries in the British isles).
Ionlyfearphobophobia 3 weeks ago
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naryanr 3 weeks ago
@naryanr 1. If if Ireland isn't geographically British, then why the fuck is it part of the British Isles?
2. Oh, so now your the one saying the name matters?
Ionlyfearphobophobia 3 weeks ago
@Ionlyfearphobophobia 2. Of course THIS name matters. If you can't understand the meaning of the word "country" then you sure as hell shouldn't be "teaching" people geography. FYI, the UK is a "country", Britain/British Isles aren't.
1. If it's British then "why the fuck" isn't it in Britain?
naryanr 3 weeks ago
@naryanr 1. Did i say the British Isles was a country? It's a geographical location, just like Scandinavia is.
2. Because it is, geographically. It's the same as India with Pakistan.
Ionlyfearphobophobia 3 weeks ago
@Ionlyfearphobophobia India and Pakistan are countries. Therefore that is not the same.
To say that it's a designated place, which in turn is part of another "not-country", which in turn exists within another *actual* country doesn't make sense. Either it's part of England, which it's not, or it's part of another "country", which it is.
naryanr 3 weeks ago
@naryanr I dont think your brain has the ability to comprehend something can be more that one thing. India, just like Britain, is more then one thing. There's the Indian subcontinent, and the country of India.
Now to go back to my original question, do you consider yourself European (politically or geographically)?
Ionlyfearphobophobia 3 weeks ago
@Ionlyfearphobophobia Even if I could be bothered forming an opinion whether or not I'm European it wouldn't make any difference.
Europe is a continent. It holds sway in many different ways.
"British Isles" means NOTHING. Not only is it NOT internationally recognised in any way, you normally won't even HEAR the phrase outside England. Not only is it not official, it's not even USED in ROI
Just because the best you can do is laughably weak "your brain" comments, doesn't change anything, sorry.
naryanr 3 weeks ago
@naryanr YOU DON'T KNOW IF YOUR EUROPEAN! God, this is far more serious then i thought it was.
I'm beginning to think my "laughably weak brain comment", isn't actually to far from the truth!
Ionlyfearphobophobia 3 weeks ago
@Ionlyfearphobophobia I'm not going to bring my opinion on Europe into this because you're clearly a troll and you feed on irrelevance.
Since you've admitted you have a tendency to spout crap that isn't true, I don't see any point in this continuing. You're argument is dried up and dead, you've got nothing left but insults. This is becoming pathetic.
naryanr 3 weeks ago
@naryanr How is it irrelevant? Europe is a continent, which is geographical location. Ireland is in said geographical location, you are Irish, do i need to get out the black board?
What you are, (geographically) is, Irish, British, European, etc, etc. Now you can chose which one of those you want to be politically, but not geographically. You are who you are, deal with it.
Ionlyfearphobophobia 3 weeks ago
@Ionlyfearphobophobia Let's suppose I am European. Does that make me British? No. It doesn't make me British. The term "British Isles" doesn't count for ANYTHING internationally. It's just *your* own little term for it. That's all. Not in ROI, not anywhere else. No different from N/S Korea bitching that the other Korea isn't Korea, "geographically" or otherwise.
You can get out a blackboard if you like pretending to be a teacher, but it doesn't mean I'm British just because you like the idea.
naryanr 3 weeks ago
@naryanr British Isles is an official term.
Ok, lets get out the blackboard. Let me put this another way, what are cats and dogs? Are they mammals?
Ionlyfearphobophobia 3 weeks ago
@Ionlyfearphobophobia Yeah switch to something else cause your argument isn't really working where it counts. Nice move.
It's an official term to YOU. In ROI the "official term" is "Britain and Ireland". I know it hurts you real bad that no one cares about your name for it, but we're not what you fancy us to be. Deal with it.
naryanr 3 weeks ago
@naryanr If my argument isn't working, then why are you running away from it? So i say again, are cats and dogs mammals?
British Isles is an official term, it's in the dictionary.
Ionlyfearphobophobia 3 weeks ago
@Ionlyfearphobophobia Because in your imperial ignorance think that I still don't understand cats and dogs when it's YOU who's desperately running away from the point.
You *actually* think because it's in the DICTIONARY it is an official term that determines the status of a country of people now? Really? THAT'S the basis of your argument? Even "LOL" is in there.
In no documents between Irish and British governments is the term "British Isles" to be found. It's been agreed, that's not their name.
naryanr 3 weeks ago
@naryanr If i'm the one whos running away from the point, why are you refusing to answer my question?
Well Europe isn't a country, by that argument your not European.
Ionlyfearphobophobia 3 weeks ago
@Ionlyfearphobophobia So cats and dogs are mammals. There. Any other weak tactics?
Europe is a continent. "British Isles" isn't. Countries have to be part of a continent. So why don't you try basing your argument on what's *actually* been said and not what you have liked me to have said?
If it's a term avoided internationally, intentionally, by the BRITISH government, then that's not its name, and they know it.
Try as many stupid animal questions as you like, it'll not save you from the fact.
naryanr 3 weeks ago
@naryanr Cats and dogs aren't mammals, cat are cat, dogs are dogs. They can't be both, lol.
So only continents can be a geographical location?
Ionlyfearphobophobia 3 weeks ago
@Ionlyfearphobophobia No, I already told you about Scandinavia. OK I've answered your question. Now you answer mine, if the Irish government don't use it, and the British government don't use it, and no other government will use it, preferring to use ANY term that suggests Ireland is not British, because the term is clearly as misleading as it is local, then why won't you admit that Ireland isn't British? Got another stupid question to hide behind?
naryanr 3 weeks ago
@naryanr Because i'm not talking politically, i'm talking geographically. Again, can you not tell the difference?
Ionlyfearphobophobia 3 weeks ago
@Ionlyfearphobophobia It doesn't matter. You'll find the term "Scandinavia". Even the word "Britain" isn't political. Scotland, England, Northern Ireland, Southern Ireland all have their own politics.
Yet, "British Isles" is actively avoided. The British and Irish governments agree with me. So why won't you admit you're wrong?
naryanr 3 weeks ago
@naryanr I'm sorry, did you not hear my reply? I'm not talking politically, i'm talking geographically. Geographically doesn't have anything to do with politics.
Ionlyfearphobophobia 3 weeks ago
@Ionlyfearphobophobia Did you not hear MY reply? Neither does Scandinavia or Britain, and yet they're used liberally. The term "British Isles" isn't used anywhere and again I repeat myself, other more accurate terms for such *non-political* areas are used in their stead, by government and others.
So why won't you admit you're wrong?
naryanr 3 weeks ago
@naryanr You do understand what a controversial issue is, dont you?
The only reason why all this controversy over the British isles exists, is because of all the Irish denial over the years. I mean can you imagine if, i dont know, all the English came together and just officially denied being European? Think about it, what would the world be like 100 years from now if thats what happened?
Ionlyfearphobophobia 3 weeks ago
@Ionlyfearphobophobia The Irish are "denying" it because it's *false*.
The controversy is that the British have been using a name for a long time that implies the Irish are British when they're not. THAT is why they stopped using it, and that alone.
*No* government (and yes governments can and do refer to non-political places) uses it and the only *people* left using it are British, and your argument is that just because a few people think something doesn't make it true. Your argument is dead.
naryanr 3 weeks ago
@naryanr So thats a no then, you dont know what controversial is.
You do understand that the term "British isles" was used about 100 years before the "Kingdom of Great Britain" even ever existed?
Ionlyfearphobophobia 3 weeks ago
@Ionlyfearphobophobia I'm not talking about 100 years ago, I'm talking about now. Right now, you are wrong, and you should admit it.
naryanr 3 weeks ago
@naryanr Open a dictionary, and look up the word "controversial", then have a think about you comment, "you're wrong".
The point is, these are what these chain of islands are called, and the Irish dont like it.
Ionlyfearphobophobia 3 weeks ago
@Ionlyfearphobophobia No it's what these chains of Islands WERE called, by the British, and now they're not. Deal with it.
naryanr 3 weeks ago
@naryanr But they weren't called it by the British, because they were named before the "Kingdom of Great Britain" ever even existed, get it?
Ionlyfearphobophobia 3 weeks ago
@Ionlyfearphobophobia And NOW they're NOT. Get it?
naryanr 3 weeks ago
@naryanr Why?
Ionlyfearphobophobia 3 weeks ago
@Ionlyfearphobophobia Because it's been rejected by everyone that matters, and more than a few who don't.
I don't hear it still being called by it's Greek name.
Are you still not accepting that you're wrong?
naryanr 3 weeks ago
@naryanr I'm not accepting that i'm wrong, because it's not fact, it's a matter of opinion.
Ionlyfearphobophobia 3 weeks ago
@Ionlyfearphobophobia If I declared it's name to be "Πρεττανία", would it be a matter of opinion that I was wrong?
naryanr 3 weeks ago
@naryanr Ok, if your saying it was once called the "British isles", but no more, when? When did they change it?
Ionlyfearphobophobia 3 weeks ago
@Ionlyfearphobophobia The "change" occurs when people generally stop calling it that. The same way any word comes into being. There was no "official" changing from "Πρεττανία", but that doesn't mean that's still its name, and even if there was still a few people who called it that, it still wouldn't be it's name.
naryanr 3 weeks ago
@naryanr So what word has replaced it then?
Ionlyfearphobophobia 3 weeks ago
@Ionlyfearphobophobia It doesn't technically need a replacement, but in official documentation its replacement is generally "Britain and Ireland", the same thing the Irish call it.
Still not going to admit you are wrong?
naryanr 3 weeks ago
@naryanr Well this is a very controversial debate thats been going on for years, so i doubt were going to get to a conclusion that's anything more than... Agreeing to disagree.
Ionlyfearphobophobia 3 weeks ago
@Ionlyfearphobophobia I don't know why I honestly expected you to do the decent thing, and if you honestly still don't believe you're wrong, then maybe you should start considering this idea as your religion and not merely your opinion, because it sure isn't based on much.
naryanr 3 weeks ago
@naryanr So lets be clear what your saying. My opinion is wrong, and your opinion is right, is that what your saying? Because there isn't any relevant facts here.
Ionlyfearphobophobia 3 weeks ago
@Ionlyfearphobophobia My opinion can't be wrong. Neither can yours. It's your *facts* that are wrong, and unfortunately your opinion happens to be associated with them.
And yes the accurate facts are here.
naryanr 3 weeks ago
@naryanr Well which of the facts i have provided are wrong?
Ionlyfearphobophobia 3 weeks ago
@Ionlyfearphobophobia That the reason the Irish are British is due to the difference between "politically" and "geographically" when in fact the term is used in neither situation, nor in any official capacity.
naryanr 3 weeks ago
@naryanr I never stated that was fact, it is opinion based off a very controversial issue were there is no official answer.
Ionlyfearphobophobia 3 weeks ago
@Ionlyfearphobophobia The official answer is that people with official capacities, operating through official mediums actively avoid the term in any scenario because it is not reflective of the area it is supposed to represent.
I said why isn't it in Britain, and you said "It is geographically" and it is not. That was not an opinion you were stating. You were stating it as if it was a fact. A fact you provided which was, in fact, wrong.
Still not going to admit you were wrong?
naryanr 3 weeks ago
@naryanr There is no official answer, because just avoiding something isn't an answer.
Do you understand what "controversy" is? Simply, it's prolonged public disagreement. Understand?
All your doing is just believing your opinion to be fact.
Ionlyfearphobophobia 3 weeks ago
@Ionlyfearphobophobia It is a fact. How *few* people have to still regard something the wrong way before it's wrong? You are *so far under* simply being the minority here it's not even reasonable. It's no more controversy than N/S Korea both being Korea.
I believe my opinion on the matter is aligned with fact and my reason for doing so is that it's formed from fact.
I didn't think you'd stoop to such petty levels before admitting you're wrong, but when you started hurling abuse I had a hunch.
naryanr 3 weeks ago
@naryanr ... N/S Korea are Korea, GEOGRAPHICALLY. And that one isn't controversial.
I really dont mean to insult you, but i really think you have a problem in differentiating. As well as geographically and politically, you dont seem to understand the difference between fact and opinion.
Fact; Noun; A thing that is known or proved to be true.
Opinion; Noun; A view or judgement formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.
If it is a fact, why is it controversial?
Ionlyfearphobophobia 3 weeks ago
@Ionlyfearphobophobia It is NOT controversial. You've found this one life line and you're clinging to it because there's no other possible say you could even hope to stalemate on this argument, whereas in reality there is NO controversy. You've MADE IT UP on the basis that you don't like the idea of the Irish not being British.
I know the meaning of the word "geographically" and the word "politically" and Ireland is OFFICIALLY British in NEITHER WAY. FACT.
This is becoming pathetic.
naryanr 3 weeks ago
@naryanr ....... It's not controversial! SO THERE ISN'T MASS DISAGREEMENT ON THIS? Your either one of two things, a bigot, or just a fucking idiot.
Ionlyfearphobophobia 3 weeks ago
@Ionlyfearphobophobia Yeah you made it up because you can't stand the idea of being wrong. You're the first person I've ever heard say something as stupid as Ireland is British, and most of my friends live in England.
But I see from your desperately weak, cornered offensive stance that you've truly exhausted your intellect bank on this one. Not good for much other than insults any more, and even the insults are second rate.
naryanr 3 weeks ago
@naryanr Is there mass disagreement on the name of the British isles? Yes or no.
Ionlyfearphobophobia 3 weeks ago 2
@Ionlyfearphobophobia Again you ask irrelevant questions. That's NOT the point. The point is, is there mass disagreement on Ireland being British? The answer is NO.
It's name is irrelevant here.
Some people think it's not the name because it's not representative of what it is, and *almost all* the people who think the name IS OK, say so because the phrase "The British Isles" doesn't make you "British" anyway.
You can change the subject all you want but it'll not get you anywhere.
naryanr 3 weeks ago
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@naryanr That wasn't my question. Is there mass disagreement on the name of the British isles? Yes or no.
Wait a minute, your saying there isn't any disagreement on Ireland being British? You live in NI for fuck sake. You can't honestly be telling me all the Irish people in NI you know dont think that NI is British?
Ionlyfearphobophobia 3 weeks ago 2
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@naryanr -----Wait a minute, you just said "the only *people* left using it are British", what about the Canadian that was on here?...
Ionlyfearphobophobia 3 weeks ago
@naryanr I agree. The term "British Isles" only exists in a legal capacity as a description of the United Kingdom and it's dependencies. Even as a geographical description, it's a term which is not used in any official sense outside of the UK. Therefore, Ireland has the right to use whatever term it desires. Even in Britain, the term didn't come into popular use until the 17th Century.
FacnyCatFighter 3 weeks ago
@naryanr So the word "British Isles" means nothing then?
Ionlyfearphobophobia 3 weeks ago
@Ionlyfearphobophobia That's right. It's just the name of a collection of stuff. The same as me finding an island and calling it "French Republic", it doesn't mean it's geographically or politically France. It's just a name.
If it had any political or geographical sway whatsoever then the official name of the UK wouldn't be "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland".
naryanr 3 weeks ago
@naryanr haha i get it now thank you
Samsmilify 3 weeks ago
I love Jupitus' attitude towards Fry and his reactions.
BigAlaMcC 1 month ago
I dont mind being called british or english, what does annoy me tho is when other countrys only think england is london, they refer to london as being england
lucy2005rules 1 month ago
SNP is that the Scottish BNP?
zaprese 1 month ago
@zaprese 'Nationalist' in the context of the SNP means the desire for independence, much like the Indian nationalist movement in the early 20th century. 'Nationalist' in the BNP context means fucking idiotic.
Jemoiii 1 month ago
@zaprese no. it is a political party (currently one that forms Scotland's government), that espouses independence from the United Kingdom and left of centre Social Democracy.
kalslater 1 month ago
Im not British im English.
zaprese 1 month ago
I'm Scottish and I will smash your face in if you call me English! (I'm kidding) . I do get a bit annoyed when I hear it though. :-)
grahamlive 1 month ago
@grahamlive You're british, though.
toxicshot 1 month ago
@toxicshot I know but you often hear people (often Americans) say England, when they mean the UK. I don't mind being called British. Just not English. Not that I have anything against England . It's just that I'm not from there. :)
grahamlive 1 month ago
@grahamlive It's funny because when I call a Scottish or English person British, they always yell at me saying, "I'm Scottish not British" or "I'm English." And I always sit there thinking, "But you live in Great Britain/British Isles... So you're British." Even with Irish people. They live in the British Isles as well so they're British. That's why I never call someone English if they're not, I just say they're British. But I can pick out each accent fairly well.
TedTurnersGhost 1 month ago
@TedTurnersGhost I don't mind being called British because I am British. I prefer Scottish though but as I say I have absolutely no objection to being called British. That would be silly. :)
grahamlive 1 month ago 7
@TedTurnersGhost I'm Irish and find that ridiculous, the Irish people are not British in any way.
SheIsntReal94 3 weeks ago
@SheIsntReal94 But you live in the British Isles... I would consider you as a British person. Also, I don't see why it's so ridiculous. It's not like being British is a bad thing.
TedTurnersGhost 3 weeks ago
@TedTurnersGhost i dont care what you think you see on the map I'm not British do you realise how offensive you are? I think I know my own bloody nationality
SheIsntReal94 3 weeks ago
@SheIsntReal94 See? This is what I mean... People freak out. Calm down. Yes, you are Irish but to me, you are also British. It's just my opinion. I don't see how it is at all offensive, you must just have some screws loose. I'm Canadian and I don't like being called American because I'm not. But you can call me a North American because I am. It's the same with you. I can't call someone from Ireland Scottish because they aren't. But I can call them British because they are. Get it?
TedTurnersGhost 3 weeks ago
@SheIsntReal94 I can call you Irish as well as British just as you can call me Canadian as well as North American. Also, if you want to get even less specific you can actually call me American if you are referring to the Americas (North and South America)... But that's the same as me calling you European.
TedTurnersGhost 3 weeks ago
@TedTurnersGhost It's just that the Irish have fought for independence for so long and its so hurtful to be thrown in with the british.we are irish.it doesnt matter how close i am to another country ,how small it is,its a seperate place and i would advise you to refrain from calling any irish person british or also british while in ireland.
SheIsntReal94 3 weeks ago
@SheIsntReal94 Well geographically, the island of Ireland, is part of Britain. The British Isles. I mean i dont like being part of the EU, that doesn't mean i'm not European.
What the people of the "rep of Ireland" are, is politically Irish.
Ionlyfearphobophobia 3 weeks ago
@Ionlyfearphobophobia The people of the UK call the islands the British Isles. But in the Republic of Ireland the're referred to as "Britain and Ireland". They are also known as Atlantic Archipelago. So, although "British Isles" is the most common, it isn't actually universally accepted. Meaning anyone born in "these islands" can't automatically be referred to as "British". Only people in the UK of Britain and Northern Ireland, or overseas territories (Gibraltar, Falklands) are called British.
UnitedKingdomify 3 weeks ago
@SheIsntReal94 "refrain from calling any irish person british or also british while in ireland."
There are thousands of Irish people in Northern Ireland who identify as British. I'd also advise against using the word though, wait 'til they do it first, but the same can be said in Wales, Scotland, and England. There are people in these islands who simply won't use British. A majority do though.
If enough N. Irish voted for a united Ireland (can't see it), what do you think would happen?
UnitedKingdomify 3 weeks ago
@SheIsntReal94 You're not British man, our argument's essentially over and he's wrong he just won't admit it. He's pushing for "agree to disagree".
You're not British legally, politically or geographically.
His own queen and government couldn't call you British even if you asked them to.
naryanr 3 weeks ago
@grahamlive as someone who's half Welsh I sometimes describe the Welsh as, "more English than the English"- meaning the Welsh were in Britain before the English, making them the native brits, I do not mean that to mean that they are the Angles, Saxons or Jutes. Also the Scots and Picts (Scottish) were in Britian before the English. How would you feel if you were described as that, because the Scottish were in Britain, before the Enlgish?
RefutingZionismblog 1 month ago
If I was on this episode I would have got a clap, from my Degree not Stephen I swear!
CssAfc 2 months ago
@TheBadcrumble
That's rather odd. I've always found Kiwi and Aussie accents pretty easy to distinguish from one another.
I've noticed New Zealanders are more soft spoken than Australians.
IAmCaptainMarvel 2 months ago
@IAmCaptainMarvel And they're all 1 meter tall with hairy feet.
fissionemblem1 2 months ago
@fissionemblem1
Heh, I see what you did there.
IAmCaptainMarvel 2 months ago
@TheBadcrumble That's not because people don't understand they're different places, though, simply because the accents can be difficult to distinguish if you're unfamiliar with them.
TobScy 2 months ago
What episode was this?
Azyashi 2 months ago
@TheBadcrumble I wouldn't mind being called Australian if I came from New Zealand, too!
morningstomper123 3 months ago
Seeing as it was a Scottish King who became king of both countries in 1707, the country should really have been referred to as Scotland and not England.
MrSelidor7 3 months ago
@MrSelidor7 Be wary with those dates. It was 1603 when King James VI became King James I of Great Britain. I think you´re mixing it up with the union of the parliaments (i.e. Scotland and England) in 1707.Quite different events and both key phases,in importantly different ways,regarding the future (some would term it fate)of Scotland, England, Wales, Ireland (the whole of Ireland) and indeed the "colonies" in America and the embryonic British Empire.But I know what you mean.
kirriereoch 3 months ago
@kirriereoch. Fantastic. What a great 'QI' type answer. It serves me right for speaking up on a topic that I confess I am rather ignorant of.
MrSelidor7 3 months ago
And the Welsh name for England is Lloegr which means "The Lost lands" which, in a phrase, tells everyone a lot about the history of these islands. It´s ironic that the English identify with being British when the Anglo-Saxons (hence the Welsh name for the English - Sais and Gaelic Sassunach = Saxon) defined themselves as English until 1603 when the Scottish King James VI became James I of England (including Wales) & particularly 1707-union of the Scottish&English parliaments.
kirriereoch 3 months ago
The only history Scotland had with England was abuse. Of course Scotland had abuse with their own rulers too. Why would they want to be part of a nation that doesn't even have their best interests at heart.
I'm a Canadian, so it doesn't affect me one bit, but I think it sucks that Scotland is linked to England because of one king's selfish ambitions.
Scotland needs independence, but they need to get a self-sustaining economy. Meanwhile, their bankruptcy was contrived and should be deleted
robertslistening 4 months ago
@robertslistening
As opposed to another kings selfish ambitions? They have done fairly well out of it for the last 200 years, being part of the largest Empire in the world. Unlike Ireland for instance. I'm all for Scottish independence, the sooner the better. Then they can stop moaning about us. However, the difficulty and the cost in achieving this may well not be worth it. But who knows? The Scots can leave whenever they want, just need a majority in the vote. Its all up to them lot.
tberwick1 3 months ago
@tberwick1 Exactly. Scotland has never really seen the UK as a union with England but as a union with "The Empire". The rise of the Empire correlates to 1707 and the decline of the empire correlates precisely with the rise of the SNP and Scottish awareness of nationality.
kirriereoch 3 months ago
@kirriereoch
Fair enough. My mistake for using the wrong terminology.
tberwick1 3 months ago
@robertslistening Scotland's economy would be self-sustaining for a short term at least anyway, Aberdeen is the oil capital of Europe due to Scotland owning a major proportion of oil in the North Sea
powerbarz 3 months ago
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robertslistening 4 months ago
@TheBadcrumble
watch?v=rNu8XDBSn10
BasilFawlty4444 4 months ago
What episode is this?
MrQud5 6 months ago
@MrQud5 Surprisingly, the "England" episode from series E.
MarsJenkar 6 months ago
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Haha lol at the scot v english arguments while this country is being colonised by the third world. Enjoy minority status fools.
ProperMuzik 6 months ago
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XTadej 7 months ago
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XTadej 7 months ago
The Dutch still say England for all Britain.
ThomHC 7 months ago
@ThomHC i call the ducth germans iam from scotland how does that feel
bravefartt 6 months ago
@bravefartt exactly
robsargent4 5 months ago
lol, "Yes! Quite correct."
historygenius 7 months ago
I suffered the wrath of my year 7 form tutor when I moved to Scotland, for saying England when I meant Britain. They do not like it one bit. She hit the roof as if I'd pissed on her desk or something; I was only referring to the Rugby League, she took it as if I'd made a major political statement. I was 13, haha. Oh well, the old hag is dead now.
PonderBomb 8 months ago 28
@PonderBomb You floundering imbecile, Using Age is no justification for RACISM. Then wishing Death on her? Are you Scotophobic? No matter how much QI you "Try" to absorb, you'll still be "delayed" if you get my drift.
MrPeterHoney 8 months ago
@MrPeterHoney - Pick up a dictionary and look up the definition of racism; You will find that you're misinformed, my tiny-brained friend. Scottish isn't a race, you colossal retard. I didn't wish death upon her, I stated that she is now dead, but reading before you post obviously isn't your strong point. Why would I try to "absorb" QI, it's a comedy show. QI stands for "Quite Intelligent"; You must be thinking of IQ, which isn't absorb-able, it's a quota of your intellectual capacity.
PonderBomb 8 months ago
@PonderBomb telling me to pick up and read a dictionary? perhaps if you picked up a map of the United kingdom you wouldn't of made such an Arse of yourself Correct? I'm sure there's a map ap for your iphone. How was Burning man last year?
MrPeterHoney 7 months ago
@MrPeterHoney Yes, I'm telling you to check your definition against the one in the dictionary, as you're wrong and your grammar is atrocious. It was a mere slip of the tongue when I was a kid after I'd just moved to Scotland; An easy mistake to make. I don't have an Iphone, so I wouldn't know. I really don't know what you're referring to with the "Burning Man" comment, please elaborate... Share your bullshit wisdom with us all while we laugh at you.
PonderBomb 7 months ago
@PonderBomb it actually stands for Quite Interesting.
irishgodfatherchris 7 months ago 2
@irishgodfatherchris - It must be the production company that's called Quite Intelligent then.
PonderBomb 7 months ago
@irishgodfatherchris I'd always assumed it was an anagram for the "IQ" test.
Ashitaka255 7 months ago 7
@MrPeterHoney LOL 'racism'
maxergud 7 months ago 2
@MrPeterHoney the Scots aren't a race, they're a nation & it's a impossible to be racist towards 1 single nation. I think you meant to say xenophobic. Also, it's not entirely PonderBomb's fault that they didn't realise the significance of their mistake until after they'd made it, it's a cultural thing.
robsargent4 5 months ago
It used to be that people meant Britain when they said England, now they mean England when they say Britain.
phoenixfriend 8 months ago
@phoenixfriend What is the difference?
sasquatch268 8 months ago
@sasquatch268 England is just one country within the nation of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. But the English tend to refer to themselves as British whereas others, for example the Scottish, refer to themselves by their individual country. Because that's what we call ourselves it's what other people call us, so they say Britain when they're thinking specifically of England.
phoenixfriend 8 months ago
@phoenixfriend Ok, but we have not yet differentiated the two. So English = people of england, and does British = the U.K.? or what.
sasquatch268 8 months ago
@sasquatch268 /watch?v=rNu8XDBSn10&feature=player_embedded. Is your full answer in great detail, but easy to understand :P
frooooooot 8 months ago
is it So bad to call the whole England, at the end of the day the majority of it uses English
and we can still use our countries to define the smaller constituents
animesis 8 months ago
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@animesis "is it So bad to call the whole England, at the end of the day the majority of it uses English
and we can still use our countries to define the smaller constituents"
What? Then by your logic we should call America and Australia, England also. If you seriously can't understand why it is wrong to refer to Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland as England... then god help you.
4quitters 8 months ago
@animesis well it's simply incorrect. Yes, most people throughout the UK speak English, but most people throughout the US, Canada, Australia & New Zealand speak English, but most people in these countries are not English. Therefore quite clearly not all English-speakers are English, so the fact that most people in the UK speak English clearly doesn't make them English. Is it so bad to call the UK what it actually is (the UK)? The problem is that of course by far most ppl in the UK are English &
robsargent4 5 months ago
@robsargent4
Not completely incorrect, for many a decade the UK was represented internationally by the name England, many non english speaking countries name for the UK today is in fact a varient of England. I doubt many people quibbled this at the time as this was just the done thing. I call myself British when im abroad, but I wont start a riot if someone calls the UK England.
Most people who call the UK England are foreigners so I dont think the majority/minority argument has merit here.
animesis 5 months ago
@animesis the majority/minority argument is relevant, because the English form the majority of people in the UK & that's why the UK was (& still, by some) England. The UK was never going to be known as Scotland, Wales, Ireland (or since the partition, Northern Ireland), was it?
robsargent4 5 months ago
@robsargent4
Please find me this group of people who still use England for the UK. I have yet to see a British person use it for the UK when they mean the UK. Its "simply incorrect" to call citizens of the USA American, but its done. Why this is such a sore point for you when its a part of history now I dont know. Perhaps some people do, most dont. Im not going to castrate someone for calling Britain/UK England. Calling it England does not instantly mean Scotland Wales and N Ireland are absent.
animesis 5 months ago
@animesis I've met many people who say the UK most of the time, but sometimes (I think it's called a slip of the tongue) they might talk about the English Parliament (which hasn't existed since 1707), the English Army (same) & the way England fought Germany in the 2nd WW etc. This includes some British people I've met, but mostly foreigners (e.g. the Japanese have one word for British & English - they don't differentiate between the 2 concepts at all). That said, I've never met a Japanese person
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