frazier RIP, and second of all the man deserves much more respect....his career aside he made Philly his home..... Bernard Hopkins, Rocky Balboa, Will Smith, Kurupt, Beanie Sigel, the Phillies and the Eagles woot woot. what more do u want ali was my fav growing up but hes just an arrogant ass now that I am older. how the fuck do u call another black man whos in the same business as u an uncle tom? this guy took that black power shit way too far
I am sick of this - Frazier was equally insulting to Ali MANY DO NOT KNOW THAT - the difference was that Frazier took it to heart and Ali did not seem to care. Ali made fun or Frazier and Frazier said things like : I do not care what happened 400 years ago - Clay does and look what it got him (the exile)....and on and on...This Frazier was a victim BS is a product of the last 15 years - pure media BS.
@AIMANALI Yeah, you're right. That documentary criticizes Ali for calling Joe a UT, but what it doesn't point out is that Joe--similar to Patterson and Terrell- would intentionally call Ali "Clay," and Ali REACTED by calling him an UT. Frazier even wrote an autobiography where he refers to Ali as "Clay" throughout the whole book. Because it was written in the 90s, a time when Ali's name change had been accepted by the mainstream, he did this as an obvious show of disrespect.
I'm sure Frazier loved Black people and his family..but as a celebrity and friend, Ali expected him to use his public platform to speak out more and take a stance on Black people issues. I'm sure Ali and Joe had private discussions on social issues to lead Ali to his conclusion that Joe was playing the Tom.
Truth is Uncle Toms don't know that they are Uncle Toms..so when someone point it out, it Surprises and Hurt them..because they feel their way is the right way to Success..and they ain't hurting nobody.
In Joe Frazier case, Ali meant he wasn't speaking out for Black people or taking a stance. He was doing it the Hollywood way, without getting dirty. Ali called him out.
All Athletes are Joe Fraziers today--disconnected from their communities. too much money.
Joe maynot have had the prestige that Ali & Foreman had. But when you think of Ali. Fraizer is the first to come to mind, then Foreman. Even though Norton actually in a sense could've won both fights against Ali. We really never put Norton in the parameters of being the top at that time. The war, or words of being a Tom, by Ali. Smoking Joe is respected and alway will be! Nuff Said!
@JohnnyTRex99 Not really, Ali simply won a close decision, Norton had a strong finish and so it looked as if he won but not really, Ali won simply by a razor thin margin, 8-7 to be exact. But you can't blame people for thinking he was robbed, it was close, very close.
@JohnnyTRex99 Thats up to debate, just like any of their 3 fights. Norton himself said even the first fight they fought could have gone either way since it was also a split decision. I saw all 3 fights and frankly I don't know what the fuzz is about, I saw Ali winning a razor thin decision in Yankee stadium, Norton didn't do anything Ali didn't do during the fight.
@vladiator100 Go to Youtube video "Muhammad Ali -vs- Ken Norton III 9/28/76 part 9" posted by "boxingatitsbest" --- The broadcast features New York sportswriters scoring the bout. Red Smith scores it 10-5 Norton, and Stan Hockman 8-6-1 Norton. As I recall, when this fight was finally shown on netowrk TV, CBS aired it as "You Be the Judge," and featured a panel of studio judges, many of whom were as star-struck as the real judges. Ali was getting "matador" points for style and dancing.
@JohnnyTRex99 Norton didn't do anything Ali didn't do, sure Norton was being aggressive but that was it, you can't just win rounds for being aggressive. It would depend on the judge, which probably decided the fight. Again, Norton didn't do enough, Ali clearly won a close decision. Simple as that. Most people score it 8-7, 8-6-1 for Ali. Can't blame people for saying Norton won it but the whole "he was robbed" phrase in boxing has become VERY cliche...Norton was not robbed.
Stupid people, Ali claimed that he loved Frazier.(look at movie: Champions Forever) It was all promoting the greatest fights ever between this giants. THINK!!
ALi is the greatest of al times, and Joe was a great opponent indeed.
Muhammad Ali did wrongs things against Joe Frazier, but what I also understand that Joe Frazier supported that Muhammad Ali shouldn't have refused to fight the war against the Viet-congs.
No matter, Joe Frazier supported Muhammad Ali regaining his licence back, Joe still supported Ali going against the Viet-congs.
No matter what way you want to look at it Ali was the better fighter. In the fight thrilla in manilla it was said that Ali barely even trained in the fight and Joe Fraizer trained very hard but still lost.
Former heavyweight boxing champion Joe Frazier recently was arrested in North Philadelphia for assaulting a woman in a domestic dispute, police said.
Frazier, 60, was charged with simple assault and reckless endangerment, police said.
Someone called 911 from the home and when police arrived, a woman who opened the door had injuries to her lip and face and alleged that Frazier struck her
I see Ali like a Hitler, he could brain wash people easily and he knew people would follow. That;s why Frazer got loads of shit from everyone, BECAUSE Ali said so.
Frazer was asked about ALi and his Parkinsons, Frazer said he deserves it.
Former heavyweight boxing champion Joe Frazier recently was arrested in North Philadelphia for assaulting a woman in a domestic dispute, police said.
Frazier, 60, was charged with simple assault and reckless endangerment, police said.
Someone called 911 from the home and when police arrived, a woman who opened the door had injuries to her lip and face and alleged that Frazier struck her
You really don't know what you talking about man.. Thats show that you don'y know anything about ALi.. Ali always treated everybody with respect.. That is his signum: "Respect".
Yes, I watched the Video. In fact Ali always wanted to be friend with Frazier. Ali admired Fraziers way to work hard. But Ali had much bigger opponents than just fighting against Frazier. Ali fought against the part of USA who in that time had full of racism, killing and raping? Ali did turn his back against Frazier when he understod that Frazier lick up to the white men. Ali wanted to fight for his people and Frazier fought for the "enemy". That's why Ali stopped showing respect to Frazier.
I love Ali but the hell he put Joe Fraizer and his family through was over the top. Joe did EVERYTHING he could for his people. And if it wasn't for joe, Ali's career would have been ended because of the draft dodging issue.
Ali always did promote his fight by taking trash against the opponents, but that was nothing personally. It just brought more money and more attension to the game. Just look what kind of relationship Ali have today with the other opponents (Foreman, Norton) Everybody adore Ali for what he has done in boxing and for his people.. Everybody except Joe Frazier because he is the Onkel Tom! He is selfish and would not be remembered at all if it eould not be for one man: Muhammad Ali.
'Uncle Tom', what are you talking about. Frazier was the one who grew up the hard way, not Ali.
Watch the documentary 'Thrilla in Manilla'. Frazier helped Ali get his license back, he even lent him money. And what did Ali do? He betrayed Frazier and put his family in danger. He called him Uncle Tom and idiots like you believed him.
And Frazier was his biggest opponent, how can you say 'Frazier would not have been remembered without Ali', who would Ali be without Frazier!
Yes Frazier worked harder than Ali in young age, but Ali's life was also poor. Anyway, so what? That don't make any difference. Do you eaven know what an Onkel Tom is? Frazier called Ali for "Clay" after their first battle, eaven if he knew that it would hurt Ali. But Frazier did that because he knew it would make him popular among the white men. He betrayed his own people, that is what I call an Onkel Tom. Ali gave up his career, money and fame for Vietnam. (People he never met). You get it?
Yes, I know what Uncle Tom means. How did Frazier betray his people? He called Ali 'Clay' AFTER their first fight, so thats AFTER Ali was calling him an Uncle Tom wich hurt Frazier and his family very much.
Ali later admitted that he did all this just to 'promote the fight' and tried to apologise. So for you to keep calling Frazier the same things is just retarded dont you think?
Ali often gave his black opponents bad publicity because they were not muslims. He forced people to polarize, and thats why I think that if you compare Ali and Frazier, Ali was the real Uncle Tom.
Ohhh you Bum! Now you just talking crazy.. How can I convince you when you don't get it? How can I like Joe Frazier when he's braging over that he has created Ali's Parkinson sicknes on his cell phone? Ali has apologized for everything that other peoples has done to Frazier's family, but Frazier still keeps on having hostilities on Ali stil today.. And if you bum still don't get it then I'm not going to answer you again..
Who's saying you have to like Frazier? I'm just saying youre a moron for calling him an Uncle Tom, and that Ali used to be a prick in those days. There's nothing to 'get'.
Muhammad Ali even when he retained his title in the Congo, he loved our people over there and even attacked the real stooges of being so ignorantly greed and spolit rotten.
Joe Frazier should'nt have impled that Ali shouldn't have refused draft.
Despite what Muhammad Ali which was over the top, it is the same with his opponents that were taunted him when he changed his name such as Ernie Terrell.
Also, Joe Frazier being brainwashed by these demonic Republicans and Democrats, it didn't help his cause.
If you dont know the term, what were you replying to?
Uncle tom means a black man who serves the white man (wich makes no sense by the way, if you read the story 'uncle toms cabin' he was doing the exact opposite).
This was very serious back then. Ali was accusing him of betraying the blacks, wich he could get away with because he was more popular with the blacks.
No I am asking you the term, it is obvious I know the term when a black man thinks that he's white and I know they are enough of our people, to love to so-called impress the oppressor than apreciate their own people.
Ali defintely was popular with us, but doesn't mean all of us accept him.
Its not the same, thats the whole point. Frazier was not the black people's hero, Ali was. If you were black and american in the 70's you had to support Ali or you would probably get your ass kicked.
Meanwhile, Joe had worked very hard and faced just as much racism as Ali did. He even helped Ali when his license was revoked.
Knowing all of this, how does Ali choose to attack him? He calls Joe a betrayer to his people. And he did this for the sake of controversy, he admitted that himself later on, so it has probably little to do with the things you mention.
This is why I call Ali the uncle tom, he takes advantage of racial controversy against someone who should be on his side, for money.
i feel sorry for fraizer, he never got the praise u know, the praise that george foreman and ali got, even though he beat ali on one occasion and has only lost to foreman and ali, eaisly 2 of the most dominant fighters in history..
Well if you watched the whole thing on HBO they do point out that whites rooted for Frazier. They point out that when they fought the first time Ali's fans were either black, liberal, or young. Fraziers fans were white conservatives. It also points out that Frazier was hurt by this because it wasn't what he intended, but he could do nothing about it.
this is bull shit..... there leaving out that most whites did want joe to win{even thow it wasnt joes falt}because ali ducked the draft ....big point being left out here!!!
frazier RIP, and second of all the man deserves much more respect....his career aside he made Philly his home..... Bernard Hopkins, Rocky Balboa, Will Smith, Kurupt, Beanie Sigel, the Phillies and the Eagles woot woot. what more do u want ali was my fav growing up but hes just an arrogant ass now that I am older. how the fuck do u call another black man whos in the same business as u an uncle tom? this guy took that black power shit way too far
gadeela 3 months ago
"the other type negro" probably was a reference to the fact frazier had a strong work ethic. That turned off the whole hippy generation.
andrelebaron 3 months ago
"He's worse than you to me" talking to the white reporter. That shit was uncalled for, just lost a lot of respect for him.
neumei626 3 months ago
The "Thrilla in Manila" documentary is a movie just to discredit Muhammad
RNOB 4 months ago
I am sick of this - Frazier was equally insulting to Ali MANY DO NOT KNOW THAT - the difference was that Frazier took it to heart and Ali did not seem to care. Ali made fun or Frazier and Frazier said things like : I do not care what happened 400 years ago - Clay does and look what it got him (the exile)....and on and on...This Frazier was a victim BS is a product of the last 15 years - pure media BS.
AIMANALI 7 months ago
@AIMANALI Yeah, you're right. That documentary criticizes Ali for calling Joe a UT, but what it doesn't point out is that Joe--similar to Patterson and Terrell- would intentionally call Ali "Clay," and Ali REACTED by calling him an UT. Frazier even wrote an autobiography where he refers to Ali as "Clay" throughout the whole book. Because it was written in the 90s, a time when Ali's name change had been accepted by the mainstream, he did this as an obvious show of disrespect.
lwmson 4 months ago
@lwmson yeah and a lot more than that...
AIMANALI 4 months ago
I'm sure Frazier loved Black people and his family..but as a celebrity and friend, Ali expected him to use his public platform to speak out more and take a stance on Black people issues. I'm sure Ali and Joe had private discussions on social issues to lead Ali to his conclusion that Joe was playing the Tom.
sadelover100 7 months ago
Truth is Uncle Toms don't know that they are Uncle Toms..so when someone point it out, it Surprises and Hurt them..because they feel their way is the right way to Success..and they ain't hurting nobody.
In Joe Frazier case, Ali meant he wasn't speaking out for Black people or taking a stance. He was doing it the Hollywood way, without getting dirty. Ali called him out.
All Athletes are Joe Fraziers today--disconnected from their communities. too much money.
sadelover100 7 months ago
Compared to Smoking Joe Frazier (as a man) Clay is a Chump!!!!
stuballs42 1 year ago
Joe maynot have had the prestige that Ali & Foreman had. But when you think of Ali. Fraizer is the first to come to mind, then Foreman. Even though Norton actually in a sense could've won both fights against Ali. We really never put Norton in the parameters of being the top at that time. The war, or words of being a Tom, by Ali. Smoking Joe is respected and alway will be! Nuff Said!
rickames 1 year ago 2
@rickames Norton lost 2 bouts against Ali though not just 1.
vladiator100 1 year ago
@vladiator100 Norton was robbed at Yankee Stadium (#3)
JohnnyTRex99 9 months ago
@JohnnyTRex99 Not really, Ali simply won a close decision, Norton had a strong finish and so it looked as if he won but not really, Ali won simply by a razor thin margin, 8-7 to be exact. But you can't blame people for thinking he was robbed, it was close, very close.
vladiator100 9 months ago
@vladiator100 Norton broke Ali's jaw in bout #1, Ali won bout #2 by a SPLIT DECISION, Norton was robbed of a decision at Yankee Stadium in bout #3
JohnnyTRex99 9 months ago
@JohnnyTRex99 Thats up to debate, just like any of their 3 fights. Norton himself said even the first fight they fought could have gone either way since it was also a split decision. I saw all 3 fights and frankly I don't know what the fuzz is about, I saw Ali winning a razor thin decision in Yankee stadium, Norton didn't do anything Ali didn't do during the fight.
vladiator100 9 months ago
@vladiator100 Go to Youtube video "Muhammad Ali -vs- Ken Norton III 9/28/76 part 9" posted by "boxingatitsbest" --- The broadcast features New York sportswriters scoring the bout. Red Smith scores it 10-5 Norton, and Stan Hockman 8-6-1 Norton. As I recall, when this fight was finally shown on netowrk TV, CBS aired it as "You Be the Judge," and featured a panel of studio judges, many of whom were as star-struck as the real judges. Ali was getting "matador" points for style and dancing.
JohnnyTRex99 8 months ago
@JohnnyTRex99 Norton didn't do anything Ali didn't do, sure Norton was being aggressive but that was it, you can't just win rounds for being aggressive. It would depend on the judge, which probably decided the fight. Again, Norton didn't do enough, Ali clearly won a close decision. Simple as that. Most people score it 8-7, 8-6-1 for Ali. Can't blame people for saying Norton won it but the whole "he was robbed" phrase in boxing has become VERY cliche...Norton was not robbed.
vladiator100 8 months ago
Stupid people, Ali claimed that he loved Frazier.(look at movie: Champions Forever) It was all promoting the greatest fights ever between this giants. THINK!!
ALi is the greatest of al times, and Joe was a great opponent indeed.
achraft 2 years ago
Muhammad Ali did wrongs things against Joe Frazier, but what I also understand that Joe Frazier supported that Muhammad Ali shouldn't have refused to fight the war against the Viet-congs.
No matter, Joe Frazier supported Muhammad Ali regaining his licence back, Joe still supported Ali going against the Viet-congs.
peasah2005 2 years ago
Frazier will always be remebered as the bad man, because of that piece of crap Ali.. Long live Frazier! Sting like a bee, he did
Mamb5 2 years ago
piece of crap? hahah. Who ever you are , Ali's shit is worth more then you./
SA2137 2 years ago
I agree.
SharinganWarrior141 2 years ago
No matter what way you want to look at it Ali was the better fighter. In the fight thrilla in manilla it was said that Ali barely even trained in the fight and Joe Fraizer trained very hard but still lost.
SharinganWarrior141 2 years ago
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Former heavyweight boxing champion Joe Frazier recently was arrested in North Philadelphia for assaulting a woman in a domestic dispute, police said.
Frazier, 60, was charged with simple assault and reckless endangerment, police said.
Someone called 911 from the home and when police arrived, a woman who opened the door had injuries to her lip and face and alleged that Frazier struck her
syrandon 2 years ago
I see Ali like a Hitler, he could brain wash people easily and he knew people would follow. That;s why Frazer got loads of shit from everyone, BECAUSE Ali said so.
Frazer was asked about ALi and his Parkinsons, Frazer said he deserves it.
BoxFreshNikes 2 years ago
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Former heavyweight boxing champion Joe Frazier recently was arrested in North Philadelphia for assaulting a woman in a domestic dispute, police said.
Frazier, 60, was charged with simple assault and reckless endangerment, police said.
Someone called 911 from the home and when police arrived, a woman who opened the door had injuries to her lip and face and alleged that Frazier struck her
MrPalspal 2 years ago
You really don't know what you talking about man.. Thats show that you don'y know anything about ALi.. Ali always treated everybody with respect.. That is his signum: "Respect".
sasoc76 2 years ago
Oh please, did you even watch the video? Thats not 'respect' by any standard. No excuses.
seblasian 2 years ago
Yes, I watched the Video. In fact Ali always wanted to be friend with Frazier. Ali admired Fraziers way to work hard. But Ali had much bigger opponents than just fighting against Frazier. Ali fought against the part of USA who in that time had full of racism, killing and raping? Ali did turn his back against Frazier when he understod that Frazier lick up to the white men. Ali wanted to fight for his people and Frazier fought for the "enemy". That's why Ali stopped showing respect to Frazier.
sasoc76 2 years ago
I love Ali but the hell he put Joe Fraizer and his family through was over the top. Joe did EVERYTHING he could for his people. And if it wasn't for joe, Ali's career would have been ended because of the draft dodging issue.
BigBhudda08 2 years ago
For your information, Joe came saying that Ali shouldn't have refused draft and that's why there was the bitter rivalry between both of them.
Yes, Muhammad Ali did go over the top, but also with Joe Frazier he'd mock Ali when he lid the flames during the Olympics in Atlanta.
peasah2005 2 years ago
Ali always did promote his fight by taking trash against the opponents, but that was nothing personally. It just brought more money and more attension to the game. Just look what kind of relationship Ali have today with the other opponents (Foreman, Norton) Everybody adore Ali for what he has done in boxing and for his people.. Everybody except Joe Frazier because he is the Onkel Tom! He is selfish and would not be remembered at all if it eould not be for one man: Muhammad Ali.
sasoc76 2 years ago
'Uncle Tom', what are you talking about. Frazier was the one who grew up the hard way, not Ali.
Watch the documentary 'Thrilla in Manilla'. Frazier helped Ali get his license back, he even lent him money. And what did Ali do? He betrayed Frazier and put his family in danger. He called him Uncle Tom and idiots like you believed him.
And Frazier was his biggest opponent, how can you say 'Frazier would not have been remembered without Ali', who would Ali be without Frazier!
seblasian 2 years ago
Yes Frazier worked harder than Ali in young age, but Ali's life was also poor. Anyway, so what? That don't make any difference. Do you eaven know what an Onkel Tom is? Frazier called Ali for "Clay" after their first battle, eaven if he knew that it would hurt Ali. But Frazier did that because he knew it would make him popular among the white men. He betrayed his own people, that is what I call an Onkel Tom. Ali gave up his career, money and fame for Vietnam. (People he never met). You get it?
sasoc76 2 years ago
Yes, I know what Uncle Tom means. How did Frazier betray his people? He called Ali 'Clay' AFTER their first fight, so thats AFTER Ali was calling him an Uncle Tom wich hurt Frazier and his family very much.
Ali later admitted that he did all this just to 'promote the fight' and tried to apologise. So for you to keep calling Frazier the same things is just retarded dont you think?
seblasian 2 years ago
Ali often gave his black opponents bad publicity because they were not muslims. He forced people to polarize, and thats why I think that if you compare Ali and Frazier, Ali was the real Uncle Tom.
seblasian 2 years ago
Ohhh you Bum! Now you just talking crazy.. How can I convince you when you don't get it? How can I like Joe Frazier when he's braging over that he has created Ali's Parkinson sicknes on his cell phone? Ali has apologized for everything that other peoples has done to Frazier's family, but Frazier still keeps on having hostilities on Ali stil today.. And if you bum still don't get it then I'm not going to answer you again..
sasoc76 2 years ago
Who's saying you have to like Frazier? I'm just saying youre a moron for calling him an Uncle Tom, and that Ali used to be a prick in those days. There's nothing to 'get'.
seblasian 2 years ago
Well Joe Frazier should'nt have supported Ali going into draft and that's being a sell-out.
How would Joe Frazier feel if Muhammad Ali reversly did onto him?
Yer, so there you go.
peasah2005 2 years ago
What are you under?
When did Muhammad Ali ever become a sell-out.
Muhammad Ali even when he retained his title in the Congo, he loved our people over there and even attacked the real stooges of being so ignorantly greed and spolit rotten.
peasah2005 2 years ago
I didnt call him a sellout. I'm saying that calling Frazier an uncle tom makes him the uncle tom.
seblasian 2 years ago
What's the term you just come with means?
Joe Frazier should'nt have impled that Ali shouldn't have refused draft.
Despite what Muhammad Ali which was over the top, it is the same with his opponents that were taunted him when he changed his name such as Ernie Terrell.
Also, Joe Frazier being brainwashed by these demonic Republicans and Democrats, it didn't help his cause.
peasah2005 2 years ago
If you dont know the term, what were you replying to?
Uncle tom means a black man who serves the white man (wich makes no sense by the way, if you read the story 'uncle toms cabin' he was doing the exact opposite).
This was very serious back then. Ali was accusing him of betraying the blacks, wich he could get away with because he was more popular with the blacks.
seblasian 2 years ago
No I am asking you the term, it is obvious I know the term when a black man thinks that he's white and I know they are enough of our people, to love to so-called impress the oppressor than apreciate their own people.
Ali defintely was popular with us, but doesn't mean all of us accept him.
It's the same with Frazier.
peasah2005 2 years ago
Its not the same, thats the whole point. Frazier was not the black people's hero, Ali was. If you were black and american in the 70's you had to support Ali or you would probably get your ass kicked.
Ali knew this, and he used it in a very ugly way.
seblasian 2 years ago
Meanwhile, Joe had worked very hard and faced just as much racism as Ali did. He even helped Ali when his license was revoked.
Knowing all of this, how does Ali choose to attack him? He calls Joe a betrayer to his people. And he did this for the sake of controversy, he admitted that himself later on, so it has probably little to do with the things you mention.
This is why I call Ali the uncle tom, he takes advantage of racial controversy against someone who should be on his side, for money.
seblasian 2 years ago
shut up . you dont know what you are speaking of.
SA2137 2 years ago
Prove it, or shut up yourself.
seblasian 2 years ago
He didn't hate him, he was just intimidating him, like he did with everyone else...Frazier should get over it
bloodz1311 2 years ago
i feel sorry for fraizer, he never got the praise u know, the praise that george foreman and ali got, even though he beat ali on one occasion and has only lost to foreman and ali, eaisly 2 of the most dominant fighters in history..
thecrazyoftheinsane 2 years ago 8
Well if you watched the whole thing on HBO they do point out that whites rooted for Frazier. They point out that when they fought the first time Ali's fans were either black, liberal, or young. Fraziers fans were white conservatives. It also points out that Frazier was hurt by this because it wasn't what he intended, but he could do nothing about it.
BriMoran27 2 years ago
wow and they play the rite music to make ali look evil....he did go a bit far ..but the fact is whites{not all
]wanted frazer to win because ali duck the draft ..thus exstreme pressere on ali ...thus... release verbaly on frazer and whites
feddei111 2 years ago
this is bull shit..... there leaving out that most whites did want joe to win{even thow it wasnt joes falt}because ali ducked the draft ....big point being left out here!!!
feddei111 2 years ago
Man it looks like even Don King thought what Ali did was A low blow to Joe Frazier.
NINJUGGALOTUS 2 years ago