Not to mention, several letters and names have been edited on the trumpet call site studies and letters because "they are the Lord's and he can do with them what he wants with them and don't you dare question Timothy or you will be questioning God!" more like Timothy's 'prophecies' are not coming to pass or he is getting caught in his own mouse trap. God does not change, why would an unchanging God EDIT AND REMOVE LETTERS AND STUDIES FROM THE SITE! THINK ABOUT IT.
Why would I lie about the tithing? I have nothing to gain other than leading the Lord's followers back to HIM not TIMOTHY! Timothy will use any lie to get you under his control. He has no fear of God whatsoever. If you did not give tithes you had an 'impure heart' the young people involved who make peanuts to begin with are of no financial gain, but the ones who do and have a larger income are the main targets. Look at the example of your 'leaders' many families have been destroyed.
Timothy SAID that Jesus would come back in 2011, tomorrow is the deadline. Don't hold your breath too long...Trent was in several cults BEFORE the TRUMPET CALL. Ones that involved rewriting the whole NT as well as CHANTING. And Timothy aka God, appointed Trent to watch over the other members...I don't think so. These letters are a deception from Satan.
I currently run a facebook page which exposes this FRAUD "trumpet call of god",i would like to work with fellow christians with biblical knowledge in exposing this cult. *Help wanted* I'd like to add a few more admins :).If interested plz email me at religiouscults1@hotmail.com
I wont argue about the Word of God. The word of God stands by itself. But I won't allow blunt lies either. This post about the site collecting tithes is a lie.The main page states that no donations are accepted, the site itself has no link to send money to Timothy. The only link available is to buy a hardcopy if desired, the link takes you to a different site where the purchase takes place. Even more the site encourages you not to buy hardcopy but instead to download the free PDF files available
I removed a comment as it was written as if from God, and I will not allow the comments section here to be a medium for a false prophet to prophesy there.
It should be known Timothy aka Speed T. Rathbun collects tithes from the members. The letters are advertised as 'Word of the Lord, Free to all' but tithes are expected of you. This group rakes in thousand of dollars from the members yearly. AND they are most often given in cash, with no tax deduction provided aka no paper trail. Thanks for the video Cain.
@JudahYehuda I have been apart of the Trumpet Call for almost a year and NOT ONCE DID Timothy or anyone else EXPECT me to pay "tithes" , not ONCE. Also, if you expect a tax reduction IN ANY TYPE OF GIVING you may do for the Lord, you are NOT TRULY GIVING, BECAUSE WHEN YOU ASK FOR A REDUCTION, you expect something in return. THATS NOT TRUE GIVING. Think about that. You speak untruth
@EvangelHeart SO the question you should be asking, is how well do you REALLY know Tim. WOLVES come in SHEEP'S clothing! Tim makes himself a mediator between you and God. This is wrong. Jesus is our great high priest and we can now come to God boldly, not with Timothy as a shield. I know it is hard for some, when so many other people believe it to be true. But it is a deception. And Tim bullies money from the members hiding behind 'thus saith' and orphanages-especially the ones who make a lot.
@EvangelHeart OH AND NOT TO MENTION some of Tim's so called 'orphanages' are actually SCAM ARTISTS in other countries. He hides behind them! Tim told people in the letter on 4/13/05 , that HE was suppose to have his hands in the tithes and 'hold back a portion for himself' so that he could support himself during the tribulation.
@EvangelHeart THE ONES WHO DON'T PAY ARE USED IN OTHER WAYS IE-RECRUITING, they are used as BAIT for other members. THE LETTERS REPLACE THE BIBLE. MOST PEOPLE ARE TOO YOUNG TO SEE IT IS A CULT. IT IS EVIL AND NOW TIM DENIES EVER claiming the rapture to happen in 2011. DO YOU KNOW WHY??? BECAUSE IF PEOPLE QUIT THEIR JOBS HE COULDN'T KEEP COLLECTING MONEY!!! LOOK UP THE LETTER FROM 6/04. HE SAID THAT GOD TOLD HIM JESUS WOULD COME IN 2011 (7 years) and now he is denying it! PLEASE WAKE UP!
@JudahYehuda i believe this to be truth, i do not scoff at prophecy, and i have even lived with other prophets & believers of this web page and THEY DO NOT ACCEPT TITHES!!! i dont know what u r talking about. TImothy refuses to take money. Speaking against the messenger is to speak against the one who sent him!!!! <3
@SevenWithoutCeasing In all of these comments from you, only the quotations from Psalm 118 and Proverbs 3 are the word of God, and even those you have changed. It is not Adonai, but YHWH. This copying of the Jews, by replacing YHWH with Adonai and Elohim, although professing to be reverence for the Name of God, is really the presumption to alter His word - which characterizes the so-called "Trumpet call of God online", in addition to their adding to it.
The New Testament is The Son revealing Himself while pointing to The Father, also fulfilling the Messianic prophecies of the Old Testament in Himself. The Letters are The Father and The Son revealing themselves as One, even as the Word of God is one, with The Letters being the culmination of the whole. Not separate, but one. Therefore, to reject any part of The Lord’s Word is to reject the whole. The three books are one. One on-going testament to God’s glory.
@SevenWithoutCeasing We do not worship the testaments, we worship Christ who was GOD incarnate. The letters never had to reveal this. Why had Timothy edited the letters several times over just like the Mormons? God does not make mistakes or cancellations. The letters preach another gospel. Not the gospel of Christ.
@SevenWithoutCeasing I was at this point, this is fear, what he does is he adds fear in your, so you are in bondage to him, In time God will show you, But please, it's not Gods fault, remember that.
Thus says The Lord: Those, who receive of Me, begin to see with eyes wide open, with the deafness of their ears healing quickly. Yet those, who have not received, rely upon the spirit of men to discern, and stumble greatly... Rejecting My Word spoken to this generation, while at the same time polluting My Word from aforetime, firmly securing the veil which remains atop their heads... Covering their faces, in an attempt to hide their shame, says The Lord.
@taregass "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." God causes his sun to shine on the righteous and the wicked. God provided the food that you enjoy, and that of all men. Men suffer and die because they have rejected the Source of life, and yet, in His grace, He gave His only begotten Son to die for their sins, and He calls all men everywhere to repent. You do not have a right to wellbeing.
I agree with you cainchristian...I was concerned when my son recieved this video the trumpent call of God I questioned it and I only believe in the bible! I was understanding that this person who started this website is claiming they heard from God and is writing their own stuff...Please write back I would like to know your opinion
Dear "leahhutz" Thanks for your comment. Yes, the "letters" are on their website, and they claim verbal plenary inspiration (word-for word in their totality). If one is familiar enough with the Scriptures, one can just compare them to see that they are inconsistent with them. Also, prophecy in the Christian Dispensation has a different character to that of the dispensation of the Law. Then the prophet was a kind of mouth-piece for God, now the prophet speaks of what he knows, not with the...
.. "Thus saith the LORD", but as we find in the New Testament - intelligent prophecy, thus of a different character though no less accurately that which God communicates through the prophet. Also, we have a full revelation now, and the edification of the Church has been dependent on that fact since the New Testament had all been given. In Christ, Christian.
"In that day a fountain will be opened for the house of David and for the inhabitants of Jerusalem, for sin and for impurity. [...] I will also remove the prophets and the unclean spirit from the land. And if anyone still prophesies, then his father and mother who gave birth to him will say to him, 'You shall not live, for you have spoken falsely in the name of YHWH..." (Zechariah 13:1-3)
Your approach, which is to educate people about biblical ideas, is ok, but the campaign of hysteria that is being whipped up by the anti-cult vigilantes is not. It involves actual stalking of people, posting of their private addresses and information, and all done in rickross-dot-com "recovering from cults" forum section, and it is financial. He gets $7,000 from a family when he can convince them a group is a ""cult" and they hire him to stalk and harass a relative after he has frightened them
I do not believe in the letters but I do not support the campaign of "deprogramming assaults on individuals seen participating in that website. the Rick Ross Institute ( rickross-dot-com )is working with "deprogrammers" Wendy and Doug Duncan ( dallascult-dot-com ) to track, stalk, and harass INDIVIDUAL readers. They have posted requests for the identity of a Trumpet member's former girlfriend, demands for individual income information, and other forms of personal cyber-bullying assault.
alright then yeah surely u say all this but have you actually ask God dnt lean on your own undersatnding and know that God ways are above ours so things we may say that are this and have you actually asked the Lord your God
@babiiebz We are not to lean on our own understanding, but God gives wisdom, and we are not to give up what He has given us to know so that we can be blown to and fro by every wind of doctrine. God's ways are higher than ours - Yes, this does not mean that I ought to listen to a every false teacher because God's ways are high and I cannot presume to know that He is not using this false teacher. God has given His word, and He calls us to test what we hear against His word....
.... Have you done this with the writings of this Timothy? Are you familiar enough with the word of God to compare the writings of this Timothy with them as God has shown us to do? When Christ was to come, men knew that Elijah must come first. Now, there is nothing which needs to happen, no new revelation to the Church, before He comes for His Church. Is the Scripture sufficient, I ask you? Has the Church had a complete revelation, in the Bible, since Apostolic times or not?
@cainchristian I think your missing the point when it clearly says... 'Trumpet Call' a shout to awaken all those that are without a doubt in a deep slumber.
@aTrueHybrid Hello there, I think the question is not as to whether it is possible for God to do something, but whether that is His will. I do believe that the divisions and arguments and abominations will bring in God's active intervention, but it will not be by clarifying what His word says (His word and Spirit are sufficient for that), but it will be by judgment. His word needs no supplement, and so His judgment will be just against those who have twisted it. In Christ, Christian.
This was excellent, I just came across this Trumpetcllofgodonline, this young man sounds good, but when I visited the website and read a couple of letters, one states that God told him,( Timothy,) he is called to be an Apostle. Well this just set off the alarm bells for me along with red flags. Then I read a letter where his daughter saw an angel in her room, and the Lord apparently informed him of this angels name. The name I've never read in the Bible, this is most concerning.
Amen to 5:35 and on....Anyone can stick crosses on their door, we have enough false Christians in this world who would stick crosses on their door, enough right out sinners wear crosses around their necks already!!!. we are to instead be living epistles showing our home as Godly by our love for God!!!!! ...Thank You for this video brother!!!!
@eyeztothesky is that really your defense he who denies me will be denied before the father, Look at the greater meaning of what hes saying Let your faith be known to the world, was it foolish when God commanded the israelites to put the commandments on their doorpost,you have to see through the spirit, and not your understanding.
@slavell19 "Let your faith be known to the world, " Get out in the streets and start preaching....Preach your heart out as though hell was about to swallow these people up. God was not foolish to command that but Christ himself never spoke of this at all, Paul the apostle never spoke of this, throughout history a cross on your door is more associated with catholicism. My brother my brother....Put Gods commands on your door but dont trust in these people telling you to put a cross on your door
@slavell19 You asked the question "was it foolish when God commanded the Israelites to put the commandments on their doorpost?" Of course no Christian would say "yes" to that, but you have admitted it yourself - He gave this command to the Israelites, not to Christians. This command was given to national Israel, as was the whole Law. Then the words were written about their houses, now we are "the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink". Then they had God's word on their..
Phylacteries - it was outward and not inward. The New Covenant has these things as inwards. Where, in the New Testament, are we instructed to have such outward things? - to descend again into the forms of Judaism when we have the realities themselves?
@eyeztothesky "enough right out sinners wear crosses around their necks already!!!" You have to forgive me for commenting this, but I really have to.
Do you claim not to be a sinner? Then why do you need Christ? I am a christian, and I sin every day. It seems I can't do anything but sin. Which is why I need Jesus.
He who has the spirit of God will know and recognize that these letters are definetely of the father. and to speak against them is to speak against God
@slavell19 - They claim to be inspired of God and they are written in English. There are grammatical mistakes in them, and God does not make mistakes.
@cainchristian Sounds like your trying to say god doesnt speak english, and any grammatical mistakes would obviously be of the person relaying the message, not God, and I have come across none, and if there are your holding God to mans standards sorry to inform you but God is not obligated to follow our rules of grammar, instead of grammatical mistakes show me where there are doctrinal mistakes, that go against The bible, then ILL have something to think about.
@slavell19 For the sake of argument, I assumed that God would communicate in English. If He did, it would be according to English spelling and grammar (One would not use German spellings when writing in English, or Hebrew grammar when writing in French). You do not believe in the perfection of God's word, then, as originally given, if you allow for errors in the originals. Is God not capable of delivering His word to men via a messenger without mistakes appearing in the initial delivery?...
.... There are doctrinal errors also, but it is simpler to point out the grammatical errors. If one speaks English, it is the rules of English grammar and spelling which determine whether it is correct English or incorrect English because it is not correct or incorrect in an absolute sense, but relative, and relative to what? - to the English rules of grammar. I may soon post a video on some of their doctrinal errors also. Christian.
@slavell19 The fact they claim God is asking us to put a cross on our door, how much greater a human body as the temple of God and proud sinners wear crosses, as though their temple was holy. Many Christians hide underground in far more evil places than USA from persecution. A cross on their door would get them all killed and hinder the gospel. I put a cross on my door and people will think I am catholic, what good is that?
@slavell19 The word of God teaches us to try things against the word. It is the word which is the sword of the Spirit, and, as the Bereans, we use the word of God, that which is concrete, objective, to test doctrines to see if they are of God. I would encourage you to read the Bible and see for yourself that these letters are not of God. There are so many things there which are contrary to the Bible that, if one is familiar with the Bible, they ought to see it clearly for themselves.
@cainchristian You automatically assume that I have no knowledge of the Bible, I dont feel the need to go into my history of studies, or what I do at present concerning the things of God, but trust if I had not a solid understanding of scripture I wouldnt be even replying, Im not your everyday christian sir, If you want to use that name for me, my life consist of this. I also feeling needless to debate, so ILL leave u with this YAH does not change, as he spoke through prophets afore, so now.
@slavell19 This is very typical of a "false teacher", they will use 'fear' to control those that speak the truth. It reeks of the "touch not the anointed of the Lord". I was involved with such 'doctrine of demons' for a few years, and paid dearly for it. But my Lord and Saviour delivered me out of it, and taught me His truth.This website is dangerous, and may the Lord protect His true children from being deceived by this so-called Apostle. What makes it so very sad is Timothy is very sincere
I am a young college christian and I've read a lot of the letters.
And although I don't see them to be new scriptures I've found a lot of it to be good and helpful. I believe we still have people sent by God and God can give people revelations about things and events.
I understand completely and agree that the Bible is sufficient to save and keep us and that there should be no new scriptures added to the Bible but can't God also speak through people too?
Dear Beverly, good to hear from you. God does use individuals now to minister to His Church. Those gifts which are necessary for the growth of the Church that it may reach the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ are still present in the Church. God knows our needs, and He will perfect the Church. Every member of the body of Christ is a joint of supply and has a ministry. I do believe that we have prophets now, although not such as can say authoritatively "Thus saith the LORD"..
I think that this is really what the "Trunpet call of God online" is claiming, to have the very words of God - it even suggests it's own verbal plenary inspiration. The Bible is sufficient for Salvation - yes, but not for salvation only: "All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works." (2 Timothy 3:16). That which is...
...given in the word of God is sufficient that the man of God may be perfect - i.e. it is, in itself, utterly sufficient, with the Spirit's work also, to make the man of God perfect. You do not need a fresh revelation - God's word is complete and sufficient for us. We need ministering members in the body to take these things in the word and to minister them to us, to edify us, to exhort us, to comfort us (1 Corinthians 14:3), from that word which is sufficient for us. In Christ, Christian.
@YamiKazeSora That is the trap of the evil one, "I've found a lot of it to be good and helpful." Good will be seen and that is the problem. For a 'babe' in Christ that is dangerous. It happened to me, and I got sucked into 'doctrine of demons' because I was ignorant of God's word, I had not enough of God's discernment to be able to see through "good principles" which masks the evil intent behind it. I read some of the letters, and I found something 'good', but I will not support this website
Hello Oliverus, The Lord said that if we love Him we shall keep His commandments - it is not said that we will keep the commandments of Moses. This is in John's Gospel also which contrasts that which came by Moses with that which came by Jesus Christ.
... We learn in James that obedience to a part of the Law of Moses, for example the ten commandments and the sabbath, is not sufficient. If we break one, we break all. A Christian is not to walk in sin, but this is another thing to being under the Law of Moses. Sin is more that "transgression of the law", it is "lawlessness". There was sin in the world before the law. Christian.
"And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment." (1 John 3:22,23).
According to this website christ will come in the year 2011. Which is against scripture in that noone knows the day or the hour. Not the angels in heaven. Or even the son, but only the father knoweth. Why would he reveal it to this man.
I agree that the cry has gone/is going out "The Bridegroom cometh", but this does not require new Scripture, or the revelation of infallible inerrant words, recorded such that they ought to be given equal status to Scripture. The cry concerns that which had already been revealed in the New Testament - it does not require a fresh revelation from God - His word is sufficient, and has been since the first century, has it not? The reformers called the Church back to truth - no fresh revelation.
But also He has safeguarded against pretensions to Divine inspiration. There was, all the while that the New Testament Scriptures were being revealed, authority, established of God, on earth, namely the Apostles, by which any claim to Divine inspiration could be validated or invalidated for us. This authority is now gone, and this is why Paul said "For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.". After his departure, because while...
there was an Apostle here, there was an authority which could authoritatively judge in these things. Yes, the sheep here the Master's voice, but are they not those who are, in this warning, not spared by false teachers? who are led away by those arising from among themselves even speaking perverse things? After the Apostles were gone, Christians were commended to the Lord and to His word, as sufficient, but it was after this authority had gone that men could make claims of Divine inspiration..
and not be gainsay ed by an Apostle. Now, with no Apostle, we can know that error will come in, Christians will be led astray, and that this is because there is no Apostle to validate or invalidate claims to Divine inspiration. So we can know that God has vouchsafed to us His word in the New Testament by giving it to us while there was yet an Apostle, as well as by giving us ears to hear. In conditions when claims to truth could be authoritatively vindicated by an Apostle, this is when....
truth fearlessly presents itself. In conditions when claims to truth cannot be authoritatively vindicated, or condemned, by an Apostle, this is the season for error to sneak in.
Do you see , from the passage in Acts 20 which I referred to, that true believers could be led astray by false teachers and those from among themselves speaking perverse things? Does this not tell you that you are susceptible to error, and that following your own feelings, regarding a document or book claiming Divine inspiration for itself, is no sure safeguard against error? I have pointed out, in the letters to Timothy, a principle which is not Christian.
True. But I don't think that the cry necessarily requires a revelation which will itself be Scripture. It reminds the professing Church of that which she has forgotten - that her Bridegroom comes and she must be ready. In a similar way, the reformers were moved of God to call the Church back to pure doctrines which had at first been held, but then lost. What they wrote is not Scripture, although they were used of God to bring a message to the professing Church.
That knowledge that the Bridegroom was to come was already given in Scripture. The cry at midnight requires no fresh unknown truth, but is a calling back to the truth, and this is the kind of prophecy which we have today I think - Speaking God's mind as to the present condition of that which bears His Name, but not with infallible words, as pastors and teachers also, though given of Christ to His Church, and ministering by the Spirit, also are fallible in their words, as the flesh moves.
Not to mention, several letters and names have been edited on the trumpet call site studies and letters because "they are the Lord's and he can do with them what he wants with them and don't you dare question Timothy or you will be questioning God!" more like Timothy's 'prophecies' are not coming to pass or he is getting caught in his own mouse trap. God does not change, why would an unchanging God EDIT AND REMOVE LETTERS AND STUDIES FROM THE SITE! THINK ABOUT IT.
JudahYehuda 2 months ago
@JudahYehuda I have the original Letters in PDF form, PM me if you want to download it,
Thegreyraccoon 2 months ago
Why would I lie about the tithing? I have nothing to gain other than leading the Lord's followers back to HIM not TIMOTHY! Timothy will use any lie to get you under his control. He has no fear of God whatsoever. If you did not give tithes you had an 'impure heart' the young people involved who make peanuts to begin with are of no financial gain, but the ones who do and have a larger income are the main targets. Look at the example of your 'leaders' many families have been destroyed.
JudahYehuda 2 months ago
Timothy SAID that Jesus would come back in 2011, tomorrow is the deadline. Don't hold your breath too long...Trent was in several cults BEFORE the TRUMPET CALL. Ones that involved rewriting the whole NT as well as CHANTING. And Timothy aka God, appointed Trent to watch over the other members...I don't think so. These letters are a deception from Satan.
JudahYehuda 2 months ago
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TruthLoverJaz 2 months ago
I wont argue about the Word of God. The word of God stands by itself. But I won't allow blunt lies either. This post about the site collecting tithes is a lie.The main page states that no donations are accepted, the site itself has no link to send money to Timothy. The only link available is to buy a hardcopy if desired, the link takes you to a different site where the purchase takes place. Even more the site encourages you not to buy hardcopy but instead to download the free PDF files available
joeltdc 3 months ago
I removed a comment as it was written as if from God, and I will not allow the comments section here to be a medium for a false prophet to prophesy there.
cainchristian 4 months ago
A true trumpet call of God will not be out of tune with His word, as these "letters.." are.
cainchristian 4 months ago
We are in the LAST DAYS, will our God be silent ?! Heaven forbid!
Jesus is coming very soon... prepare your heart and repent!
Born4gain 5 months ago
It should be known Timothy aka Speed T. Rathbun collects tithes from the members. The letters are advertised as 'Word of the Lord, Free to all' but tithes are expected of you. This group rakes in thousand of dollars from the members yearly. AND they are most often given in cash, with no tax deduction provided aka no paper trail. Thanks for the video Cain.
JudahYehuda 7 months ago 4
@JudahYehuda I have been apart of the Trumpet Call for almost a year and NOT ONCE DID Timothy or anyone else EXPECT me to pay "tithes" , not ONCE. Also, if you expect a tax reduction IN ANY TYPE OF GIVING you may do for the Lord, you are NOT TRULY GIVING, BECAUSE WHEN YOU ASK FOR A REDUCTION, you expect something in return. THATS NOT TRUE GIVING. Think about that. You speak untruth
EvangelHeart 6 months ago
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JudahYehuda 6 months ago
@EvangelHeart SO the question you should be asking, is how well do you REALLY know Tim. WOLVES come in SHEEP'S clothing! Tim makes himself a mediator between you and God. This is wrong. Jesus is our great high priest and we can now come to God boldly, not with Timothy as a shield. I know it is hard for some, when so many other people believe it to be true. But it is a deception. And Tim bullies money from the members hiding behind 'thus saith' and orphanages-especially the ones who make a lot.
JudahYehuda 6 months ago
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@EvangelHeart OH AND NOT TO MENTION some of Tim's so called 'orphanages' are actually SCAM ARTISTS in other countries. He hides behind them! Tim told people in the letter on 4/13/05 , that HE was suppose to have his hands in the tithes and 'hold back a portion for himself' so that he could support himself during the tribulation.
JudahYehuda 6 months ago
@EvangelHeart THE ONES WHO DON'T PAY ARE USED IN OTHER WAYS IE-RECRUITING, they are used as BAIT for other members. THE LETTERS REPLACE THE BIBLE. MOST PEOPLE ARE TOO YOUNG TO SEE IT IS A CULT. IT IS EVIL AND NOW TIM DENIES EVER claiming the rapture to happen in 2011. DO YOU KNOW WHY??? BECAUSE IF PEOPLE QUIT THEIR JOBS HE COULDN'T KEEP COLLECTING MONEY!!! LOOK UP THE LETTER FROM 6/04. HE SAID THAT GOD TOLD HIM JESUS WOULD COME IN 2011 (7 years) and now he is denying it! PLEASE WAKE UP!
JudahYehuda 6 months ago
@JudahYehuda i believe this to be truth, i do not scoff at prophecy, and i have even lived with other prophets & believers of this web page and THEY DO NOT ACCEPT TITHES!!! i dont know what u r talking about. TImothy refuses to take money. Speaking against the messenger is to speak against the one who sent him!!!! <3
Born4gain 5 months ago
@JudahYehuda That is a load of bull lol.... come on now...
Born4gain 5 months ago
@JudahYehuda why lie? what do you gain by lying to everyone ? you will be held accountable for the words spoken out of your mouth...
God bless friend
Born4gain 5 months ago
All scripture is welcome but do not twistthe Word of God.
YaHuWaH YahuShua's Word stands alone and is in no need of propping up.
Psa 118:8 It is better to take refuge in Adonai than to trust in human beings;
Psa 118:9 better to take refuge in Adonai than to put one's trust in princes.
Pro 3:5 Trust in Adonai with all your heart; do not rely on your own understanding.
Pro 3:6 In all your ways acknowledge him; then he will level your paths.
SevenWithoutCeasing 9 months ago
@SevenWithoutCeasing In all of these comments from you, only the quotations from Psalm 118 and Proverbs 3 are the word of God, and even those you have changed. It is not Adonai, but YHWH. This copying of the Jews, by replacing YHWH with Adonai and Elohim, although professing to be reverence for the Name of God, is really the presumption to alter His word - which characterizes the so-called "Trumpet call of God online", in addition to their adding to it.
cainchristian 9 months ago 2
YaHuWaH is One and His Word, One
The New Testament is The Son revealing Himself while pointing to The Father, also fulfilling the Messianic prophecies of the Old Testament in Himself. The Letters are The Father and The Son revealing themselves as One, even as the Word of God is one, with The Letters being the culmination of the whole. Not separate, but one. Therefore, to reject any part of The Lord’s Word is to reject the whole. The three books are one. One on-going testament to God’s glory.
SevenWithoutCeasing 9 months ago
@SevenWithoutCeasing We do not worship the testaments, we worship Christ who was GOD incarnate. The letters never had to reveal this. Why had Timothy edited the letters several times over just like the Mormons? God does not make mistakes or cancellations. The letters preach another gospel. Not the gospel of Christ.
JudahYehuda 2 months ago
@SevenWithoutCeasing I was at this point, this is fear, what he does is he adds fear in your, so you are in bondage to him, In time God will show you, But please, it's not Gods fault, remember that.
Thegreyraccoon 2 months ago
Thus says The Lord: Those, who receive of Me, begin to see with eyes wide open, with the deafness of their ears healing quickly. Yet those, who have not received, rely upon the spirit of men to discern, and stumble greatly... Rejecting My Word spoken to this generation, while at the same time polluting My Word from aforetime, firmly securing the veil which remains atop their heads... Covering their faces, in an attempt to hide their shame, says The Lord.
SevenWithoutCeasing 9 months ago
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CHRISTIANITY IS A LIE.. was allways a lie..
IF YOUR RELIGION dont talk about the wellbeeing of ALL HUMANS on this planet.. your religion is false..
taregass 9 months ago
@taregass "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." God causes his sun to shine on the righteous and the wicked. God provided the food that you enjoy, and that of all men. Men suffer and die because they have rejected the Source of life, and yet, in His grace, He gave His only begotten Son to die for their sins, and He calls all men everywhere to repent. You do not have a right to wellbeing.
cainchristian 9 months ago 6
@taregass Christianity IS for the wellbeeing of everything/one. John 3:16!!!
Jesusworshipper4eva 8 months ago
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frogla1 1 year ago
I agree with you cainchristian...I was concerned when my son recieved this video the trumpent call of God I questioned it and I only believe in the bible! I was understanding that this person who started this website is claiming they heard from God and is writing their own stuff...Please write back I would like to know your opinion
leahhutz 1 year ago
Dear "leahhutz" Thanks for your comment. Yes, the "letters" are on their website, and they claim verbal plenary inspiration (word-for word in their totality). If one is familiar enough with the Scriptures, one can just compare them to see that they are inconsistent with them. Also, prophecy in the Christian Dispensation has a different character to that of the dispensation of the Law. Then the prophet was a kind of mouth-piece for God, now the prophet speaks of what he knows, not with the...
cainchristian 1 year ago
.. "Thus saith the LORD", but as we find in the New Testament - intelligent prophecy, thus of a different character though no less accurately that which God communicates through the prophet. Also, we have a full revelation now, and the edification of the Church has been dependent on that fact since the New Testament had all been given. In Christ, Christian.
cainchristian 1 year ago
"In that day a fountain will be opened for the house of David and for the inhabitants of Jerusalem, for sin and for impurity. [...] I will also remove the prophets and the unclean spirit from the land. And if anyone still prophesies, then his father and mother who gave birth to him will say to him, 'You shall not live, for you have spoken falsely in the name of YHWH..." (Zechariah 13:1-3)
BreshiBaraElohim 1 year ago
Followers of this man, Timothy, have continued to block me for posting scripture on their channels.
BreshiBaraElohim 1 year ago
Your approach, which is to educate people about biblical ideas, is ok, but the campaign of hysteria that is being whipped up by the anti-cult vigilantes is not. It involves actual stalking of people, posting of their private addresses and information, and all done in rickross-dot-com "recovering from cults" forum section, and it is financial. He gets $7,000 from a family when he can convince them a group is a ""cult" and they hire him to stalk and harass a relative after he has frightened them
FreedomIsSacred 1 year ago
I do not believe in the letters but I do not support the campaign of "deprogramming assaults on individuals seen participating in that website. the Rick Ross Institute ( rickross-dot-com )is working with "deprogrammers" Wendy and Doug Duncan ( dallascult-dot-com ) to track, stalk, and harass INDIVIDUAL readers. They have posted requests for the identity of a Trumpet member's former girlfriend, demands for individual income information, and other forms of personal cyber-bullying assault.
FreedomIsSacred 1 year ago
alright then yeah surely u say all this but have you actually ask God dnt lean on your own undersatnding and know that God ways are above ours so things we may say that are this and have you actually asked the Lord your God
babiiebz 1 year ago
@babiiebz We are not to lean on our own understanding, but God gives wisdom, and we are not to give up what He has given us to know so that we can be blown to and fro by every wind of doctrine. God's ways are higher than ours - Yes, this does not mean that I ought to listen to a every false teacher because God's ways are high and I cannot presume to know that He is not using this false teacher. God has given His word, and He calls us to test what we hear against His word....
cainchristian 1 year ago
.... Have you done this with the writings of this Timothy? Are you familiar enough with the word of God to compare the writings of this Timothy with them as God has shown us to do? When Christ was to come, men knew that Elijah must come first. Now, there is nothing which needs to happen, no new revelation to the Church, before He comes for His Church. Is the Scripture sufficient, I ask you? Has the Church had a complete revelation, in the Bible, since Apostolic times or not?
cainchristian 1 year ago
@cainchristian I think your missing the point when it clearly says... 'Trumpet Call' a shout to awaken all those that are without a doubt in a deep slumber.
God bless
Born4gain 5 months ago
Warning! Trumpet of God is a classic cult!
wendyjduncan 1 year ago
@aTrueHybrid Hello there, I think the question is not as to whether it is possible for God to do something, but whether that is His will. I do believe that the divisions and arguments and abominations will bring in God's active intervention, but it will not be by clarifying what His word says (His word and Spirit are sufficient for that), but it will be by judgment. His word needs no supplement, and so His judgment will be just against those who have twisted it. In Christ, Christian.
cainchristian 1 year ago
This was excellent, I just came across this Trumpetcllofgodonline, this young man sounds good, but when I visited the website and read a couple of letters, one states that God told him,( Timothy,) he is called to be an Apostle. Well this just set off the alarm bells for me along with red flags. Then I read a letter where his daughter saw an angel in her room, and the Lord apparently informed him of this angels name. The name I've never read in the Bible, this is most concerning.
ez2seeu2 1 year ago
Amen to 5:35 and on....Anyone can stick crosses on their door, we have enough false Christians in this world who would stick crosses on their door, enough right out sinners wear crosses around their necks already!!!. we are to instead be living epistles showing our home as Godly by our love for God!!!!! ...Thank You for this video brother!!!!
eyeztothesky 1 year ago
@eyeztothesky Thanks for your comments brother :) Glad you found the video helpful.
cainchristian 1 year ago
@eyeztothesky is that really your defense he who denies me will be denied before the father, Look at the greater meaning of what hes saying Let your faith be known to the world, was it foolish when God commanded the israelites to put the commandments on their doorpost,you have to see through the spirit, and not your understanding.
slavell19 1 year ago
@slavell19 "Let your faith be known to the world, " Get out in the streets and start preaching....Preach your heart out as though hell was about to swallow these people up. God was not foolish to command that but Christ himself never spoke of this at all, Paul the apostle never spoke of this, throughout history a cross on your door is more associated with catholicism. My brother my brother....Put Gods commands on your door but dont trust in these people telling you to put a cross on your door
eyeztothesky 1 year ago
@slavell19 You asked the question "was it foolish when God commanded the Israelites to put the commandments on their doorpost?" Of course no Christian would say "yes" to that, but you have admitted it yourself - He gave this command to the Israelites, not to Christians. This command was given to national Israel, as was the whole Law. Then the words were written about their houses, now we are "the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink". Then they had God's word on their..
cainchristian 1 year ago
Phylacteries - it was outward and not inward. The New Covenant has these things as inwards. Where, in the New Testament, are we instructed to have such outward things? - to descend again into the forms of Judaism when we have the realities themselves?
cainchristian 1 year ago
@eyeztothesky "enough right out sinners wear crosses around their necks already!!!" You have to forgive me for commenting this, but I really have to.
Do you claim not to be a sinner? Then why do you need Christ? I am a christian, and I sin every day. It seems I can't do anything but sin. Which is why I need Jesus.
lasseler 1 year ago
@lasseler By "right out sinners" I meant someone who relishes sin. Not a Christian who seeks mercy day after day growing in the LORD.
eyeztothesky 1 year ago
He who has the spirit of God will know and recognize that these letters are definetely of the father. and to speak against them is to speak against God
slavell19 1 year ago
@slavell19 - They claim to be inspired of God and they are written in English. There are grammatical mistakes in them, and God does not make mistakes.
cainchristian 1 year ago
@cainchristian Sounds like your trying to say god doesnt speak english, and any grammatical mistakes would obviously be of the person relaying the message, not God, and I have come across none, and if there are your holding God to mans standards sorry to inform you but God is not obligated to follow our rules of grammar, instead of grammatical mistakes show me where there are doctrinal mistakes, that go against The bible, then ILL have something to think about.
slavell19 1 year ago
@slavell19 For the sake of argument, I assumed that God would communicate in English. If He did, it would be according to English spelling and grammar (One would not use German spellings when writing in English, or Hebrew grammar when writing in French). You do not believe in the perfection of God's word, then, as originally given, if you allow for errors in the originals. Is God not capable of delivering His word to men via a messenger without mistakes appearing in the initial delivery?...
cainchristian 1 year ago
.... There are doctrinal errors also, but it is simpler to point out the grammatical errors. If one speaks English, it is the rules of English grammar and spelling which determine whether it is correct English or incorrect English because it is not correct or incorrect in an absolute sense, but relative, and relative to what? - to the English rules of grammar. I may soon post a video on some of their doctrinal errors also. Christian.
cainchristian 1 year ago
@slavell19 The fact they claim God is asking us to put a cross on our door, how much greater a human body as the temple of God and proud sinners wear crosses, as though their temple was holy. Many Christians hide underground in far more evil places than USA from persecution. A cross on their door would get them all killed and hinder the gospel. I put a cross on my door and people will think I am catholic, what good is that?
eyeztothesky 1 year ago
@slavell19 try the spirit by the spirit, not by your own intelligence, are they not the spirit of Yahuwah
slavell19 1 year ago
@slavell19 The word of God teaches us to try things against the word. It is the word which is the sword of the Spirit, and, as the Bereans, we use the word of God, that which is concrete, objective, to test doctrines to see if they are of God. I would encourage you to read the Bible and see for yourself that these letters are not of God. There are so many things there which are contrary to the Bible that, if one is familiar with the Bible, they ought to see it clearly for themselves.
cainchristian 1 year ago
@cainchristian You automatically assume that I have no knowledge of the Bible, I dont feel the need to go into my history of studies, or what I do at present concerning the things of God, but trust if I had not a solid understanding of scripture I wouldnt be even replying, Im not your everyday christian sir, If you want to use that name for me, my life consist of this. I also feeling needless to debate, so ILL leave u with this YAH does not change, as he spoke through prophets afore, so now.
slavell19 1 year ago
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ez2seeu2 1 year ago
@slavell19 This is very typical of a "false teacher", they will use 'fear' to control those that speak the truth. It reeks of the "touch not the anointed of the Lord". I was involved with such 'doctrine of demons' for a few years, and paid dearly for it. But my Lord and Saviour delivered me out of it, and taught me His truth.This website is dangerous, and may the Lord protect His true children from being deceived by this so-called Apostle. What makes it so very sad is Timothy is very sincere
ez2seeu2 1 year ago
Hello. Grace and Peace be to you.
I am a young college christian and I've read a lot of the letters.
And although I don't see them to be new scriptures I've found a lot of it to be good and helpful. I believe we still have people sent by God and God can give people revelations about things and events.
I understand completely and agree that the Bible is sufficient to save and keep us and that there should be no new scriptures added to the Bible but can't God also speak through people too?
YamiKazeSora 1 year ago
Dear Beverly, good to hear from you. God does use individuals now to minister to His Church. Those gifts which are necessary for the growth of the Church that it may reach the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ are still present in the Church. God knows our needs, and He will perfect the Church. Every member of the body of Christ is a joint of supply and has a ministry. I do believe that we have prophets now, although not such as can say authoritatively "Thus saith the LORD"..
cainchristian 1 year ago
I think that this is really what the "Trunpet call of God online" is claiming, to have the very words of God - it even suggests it's own verbal plenary inspiration. The Bible is sufficient for Salvation - yes, but not for salvation only: "All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works." (2 Timothy 3:16). That which is...
cainchristian 1 year ago
...given in the word of God is sufficient that the man of God may be perfect - i.e. it is, in itself, utterly sufficient, with the Spirit's work also, to make the man of God perfect. You do not need a fresh revelation - God's word is complete and sufficient for us. We need ministering members in the body to take these things in the word and to minister them to us, to edify us, to exhort us, to comfort us (1 Corinthians 14:3), from that word which is sufficient for us. In Christ, Christian.
cainchristian 1 year ago
@YamiKazeSora That is the trap of the evil one, "I've found a lot of it to be good and helpful." Good will be seen and that is the problem. For a 'babe' in Christ that is dangerous. It happened to me, and I got sucked into 'doctrine of demons' because I was ignorant of God's word, I had not enough of God's discernment to be able to see through "good principles" which masks the evil intent behind it. I read some of the letters, and I found something 'good', but I will not support this website
ez2seeu2 1 year ago
@ez2seeu2 I actually stopped looking at that website. XD
I would never though deviate from the Bible as my ONE TRUE SOURCE.
You're very right about being careful though. I would never listen to or change in anyway if it deviates from the Bible or without SERIOUS prayer.
But, Thank You. ^-^
YamiKazeSora 1 year ago
Dear cainchristian,
what do you think about keeping the sabbath day, the 4th commandment? He claims we shall obey to all 10 commandments including the 4th.
Oliverius2 1 year ago
Hello Oliverus, The Lord said that if we love Him we shall keep His commandments - it is not said that we will keep the commandments of Moses. This is in John's Gospel also which contrasts that which came by Moses with that which came by Jesus Christ.
cainchristian 1 year ago
... We learn in James that obedience to a part of the Law of Moses, for example the ten commandments and the sabbath, is not sufficient. If we break one, we break all. A Christian is not to walk in sin, but this is another thing to being under the Law of Moses. Sin is more that "transgression of the law", it is "lawlessness". There was sin in the world before the law. Christian.
cainchristian 1 year ago
"And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment." (1 John 3:22,23).
cainchristian 1 year ago
According to this website christ will come in the year 2011. Which is against scripture in that noone knows the day or the hour. Not the angels in heaven. Or even the son, but only the father knoweth. Why would he reveal it to this man.
jjono1991 2 years ago
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tabletalk4us 2 years ago
I agree that the cry has gone/is going out "The Bridegroom cometh", but this does not require new Scripture, or the revelation of infallible inerrant words, recorded such that they ought to be given equal status to Scripture. The cry concerns that which had already been revealed in the New Testament - it does not require a fresh revelation from God - His word is sufficient, and has been since the first century, has it not? The reformers called the Church back to truth - no fresh revelation.
cainchristian 2 years ago
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tabletalk4us 2 years ago
But also He has safeguarded against pretensions to Divine inspiration. There was, all the while that the New Testament Scriptures were being revealed, authority, established of God, on earth, namely the Apostles, by which any claim to Divine inspiration could be validated or invalidated for us. This authority is now gone, and this is why Paul said "For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.". After his departure, because while...
cainchristian 2 years ago
there was an Apostle here, there was an authority which could authoritatively judge in these things. Yes, the sheep here the Master's voice, but are they not those who are, in this warning, not spared by false teachers? who are led away by those arising from among themselves even speaking perverse things? After the Apostles were gone, Christians were commended to the Lord and to His word, as sufficient, but it was after this authority had gone that men could make claims of Divine inspiration..
cainchristian 2 years ago
and not be gainsay ed by an Apostle. Now, with no Apostle, we can know that error will come in, Christians will be led astray, and that this is because there is no Apostle to validate or invalidate claims to Divine inspiration. So we can know that God has vouchsafed to us His word in the New Testament by giving it to us while there was yet an Apostle, as well as by giving us ears to hear. In conditions when claims to truth could be authoritatively vindicated by an Apostle, this is when....
cainchristian 2 years ago
truth fearlessly presents itself. In conditions when claims to truth cannot be authoritatively vindicated, or condemned, by an Apostle, this is the season for error to sneak in.
cainchristian 2 years ago
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tabletalk4us 2 years ago
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tabletalk4us 2 years ago
Do you see , from the passage in Acts 20 which I referred to, that true believers could be led astray by false teachers and those from among themselves speaking perverse things? Does this not tell you that you are susceptible to error, and that following your own feelings, regarding a document or book claiming Divine inspiration for itself, is no sure safeguard against error? I have pointed out, in the letters to Timothy, a principle which is not Christian.
cainchristian 2 years ago
It was the middle of the night when the cry rang out, `The bridegroom is here! Go out to meet him!' ~ Matthew 25:6
GraceHead1 2 years ago
True. But I don't think that the cry necessarily requires a revelation which will itself be Scripture. It reminds the professing Church of that which she has forgotten - that her Bridegroom comes and she must be ready. In a similar way, the reformers were moved of God to call the Church back to pure doctrines which had at first been held, but then lost. What they wrote is not Scripture, although they were used of God to bring a message to the professing Church.
cainchristian 2 years ago
That knowledge that the Bridegroom was to come was already given in Scripture. The cry at midnight requires no fresh unknown truth, but is a calling back to the truth, and this is the kind of prophecy which we have today I think - Speaking God's mind as to the present condition of that which bears His Name, but not with infallible words, as pastors and teachers also, though given of Christ to His Church, and ministering by the Spirit, also are fallible in their words, as the flesh moves.
cainchristian 2 years ago
yea Im kind of concern of them
UnityChallenge4Jesus 2 years ago