Lesson on Settling with Power + ATC Radio Communication

[ColtDeltaElite10mm]

"...and helicopter ABC123..." why do some pilots insist on starting a sentence on the air with "and?". Also, you DO NOT have to always repeat your call sign OR the altimeter setting when ATC gives it to you! That's the sign of a newbie student pilot crap. Just say, "roger, 46echo.". Simple and you don't sound like an amateur! -SoCal TRACON controller, 22 yrs.

[Quillons1]

@ColtDeltaElite10mm Feel better that you listed your "qualifications"? Congratulations, you've been at TRACON for 22 years. I guess the airline pilots that readback altimiters are all "newbie student pilots". The "and" thing is different for people. I don't use it a lot but in my line of FLYING (not controlling) if I've been all over ATC with requests, it's my way of saying "I know I've been a pain in the ass but I'm about to be out of your hair". Don't take it personal.

[737pilot7]

Hey what camera do you use?

[michaelmiller85]

@737pilot7 I used to use the Sony 520 Bullet cam. But sold it because I'm on video restriction working at Ft. Rucker :(

[michaelmiller85]

I use a splicing cable which was modified due to some electrical noise in the Robinson aircraft. I'm actually about to sell it if interested. It is the key ingredient for making videos with live audio

[iflyrobinson]

i know you have prolly got this alot but I am about to have my CFI-H checkride on the 12th next week. But the question is how do you connect your headset to the radio so i can hear it in the video when i play it back. Is It through the go pro head cam or whatever video recorder you are using?

[williambrodie]

Yeesh, I dont like that lake.

[michaelmiller85]

If you have a instrument PPL for airplane you still need 15 hours of instrument training in a helicopter, and you must have 30 hours in helicopter for you to get the helicopter rating. A check ride is required. No written exams because you are simply getting rated in another type of aircraft.

[DiamondPilotDan]

how much training would it take for a instrument rated PPL to get a heli rating? u need a checkride right? a written?

[mikearuba]

You sir, are da man

[LVCMS]

Look at the string on the windshield

[nicklappos]

This well-intentioned (I really like the IP's easy going style) demonstration is actually entry into OGE hover with a little rearward flight, and nowhere near Vortex Ring State. This is endemic of the confusion brought about by misinformation in the FAA pubs, and years of IP lore that blurs the understanding of what is "settling with power". The demonstration still is positive training because it warns about the danger and teaches proper recovery techniques.

[aliaucky]

Hey, good videos, a couple of things I was wondering.... re: mag checks, over in the UK we always go 2 clicks left/right, then 1 click left/right. reason being if you use your method you may accidentally go 2 clicks left then 1 click right and take-off with the keys on only the 1 mag (happened recently followed by a mag failure and brought a guy down)... admittedly if you check MAP < 15" before take-off you should notice, not sure if you've come across that before but maybe worth a thought.

[aliaucky]

@aliaucky also wondering your thoughts on this, i always used to believe that hot, high, heavy made chances of vortex-ring higher, but I was told recently by some test pilots that it's easier to induce if your light because your downwash will be induced through the disc slower (less weight to overcome) which means you don't have to descend as fast to descend into it.... if your heavier you have faster downwash therefore higher ROD required... interesting food for thought though i'm not convinced

[michaelmiller85]

@aliaucky That goes against everything I have every heard or read.

[aliaucky]

@michaelmiller85 it depends if your talking VRS or "settling-with-power" remember that the two are different. "settling-with-power" is effectively running out or power (hot, high, heavy) on an approach with loss of tx lift etc... where you cannot maintain your approach ROD, this may well lead to an uncontrolled rod, power applied, and low rpm/airspeed. i.e.vortex ring. but the ROD required to enter full vortex ring has been shown in tests to increase with all up weight as the downwash is faster.

[motokid032]

Amazing video,very insparational for a would be heli pilot.Thank you for posting,love your videos so keep 'em comin'!

[pyramidhead138]

1 person has no life, referring to the dislike

[ElTenEleven]

Very cool video! Don't forget to reset that attitude indicator! haha.

Am I crazy or when you got into settling were you NOT descending? It's hard to see your instruments but it also looked like your manifold pressure was down at 17... meaning not a lot of power.

So you got into settling... without power and without descent? Just curious!

[michaelmiller85]

@ElTenEleven I will try an put a video together on some of the maneuver you can really get into settling with power and show just how the helicopter will handle it.

In this video the big the I was demonstrating was recognizing and getting out of SWP without getting fully developed into it. This is one maneuver you never want to get in to all the way, so why do it. Recognition is the key to survival.

[ElTenEleven]

@michaelmiller85 Sure, of course. When I practice getting out of SWP I do the exact same thing you do: downwind, slow down, slow down, vibrations start, helicopter starts to sink, dive into it, watch for the trim strings to come back, etc.

I just watched some of your other videos. That is so cool that you've posted these! Well done!

[EVguitarsNW]

are there any website where i can learn  the atc phrases?

[michaelmiller85]

@EVguitarsNW I'm not sure where you could look up ATC phrases.  Google is the best bet.

[pag6999]

@EVguitarsNW Try Liveatc.net

[notar1]

Settling with Power: then how does someone do external load without Settling with Power.

[michaelmiller85]

@notar1 You can still get into SWP in external loading. As long as you have an aircraft with adequate power and don't let yourself get into the position of getting into SWP, than you should be ok. Knowing your personal and aircraft limitations is a must.

[notar1]

@michaelmiller85 thank you ..

[notar1]

@michaelmiller85 thanx .witht he hours i got i should already know that but still learning

[angrystan666]

hey Michael my name is Luke. I have a question for you what happens if you try to take while the clutch is still engaging.

cheers.

[michaelmiller85]

Well Luke, it depends on how long the clutch has been engaging. If you engage the clutch and 10 seconds later you take it up to 100% and try and take off the belts will most likely slip and your rotor RPM's will most likely drop. If you waited until you had say 40 seconds of engagement, than the odds of belt slippage go down.

I have never down that so don't know for sure. You aren't supposed to so I don't.

[CarAudioGuy21]

nice vids .. love helicopters

[r22accipiter]

Clean air is everywhere, except in the vortex downwash!! Recovery from SWP can also be made by lateral cyclic or aft into clean air. This is good to know in case one MUST make a steep approach into a confined area, into the wind of course, and does not have safe forward manuevering room. ....I know you probably already know this, but since it wasn't metioned in the video, I had to show off.

[michaelmiller85]

Please do, any useful comments are greatly appreciated to remind me and for anyone else watching.

[r22accipiter]

You're a gentleman and a scholar! I am one of your subscribers. This video has helped me, and was a pleasure to watch. Please, keep doing this great video and helicopter work!

...Safe landings always,

R22 Accipiter

[dwarrren9]

I love the scenery on the ground. I think that is the best thing about flying a helicopter.

[waderzr]

Thanks...going for a cfi checkride tomorrow - teaching SWP.

[YOUSHOTME4S2]

Is entering this SWP state the same as a vortex ring entry?

[michaelmiller85]

yep

[notar1]

how is it when helicopters Slinging a load not Settling with Power ?

[michaelmiller85]

I'm not sure exactly how to respond to this. When you sling load something you aren't in "settling with power". If you start descending sling loading something and you are producing more power to stop your descent and that doesn't work, then you are ins SWP. I don't know if that answers anything.

[notar1]

did atc close your flight following ?

[activiafibras]

"A turboprop, That's cool"...

No man! You're cool!...

[mgreenl24550]

Hey, love the videos! I've flown with my dad in Alouettes, BO105s, BK's A350s plus a ton of others since I was tiny. As I got older, he started to let me try to fly. He let me try to hover a few times and I could never get it. I really enjoyed your videos! I almost think with your thorough explanations, I could do better now! Keep them coming! - ASEL

[FSimviator]

Is it almost the equivilent to stalling a fixed wing aircraft? Getting into and out of SWP was almost the exact same way to get into and out of a stall. Just curious.

[helipilot3333]

Its not really a similar principle to a fixed wing stall even though the recovery is pretty much the same. You actually end up in your own wash disrupting the the smooth airflow to create necessary lift at a given power setting. An actual rotor stall in a helicopter means crash because there is no recovery from a stall. Bad things.

[sparkerjc]

No, look up 'low rotor rpm stall', that is the same as a fixed wing stall. The only difference, in a helicopter it is unrecoverable. I don't know the fixed wing equivalent to SWP.

[rogmackay]

There isn't one. The helicopter is effectively having a Wake Turbulance encounter from its own rotor wash. Aircraft don't get this, though they are more succeptible to Wake Turbulence created by large aircraft like Boeing 737's and 757's etc.

[sparkerjc]

Sorry, this is just a pet peeve of mine... Helicopters are in fact Aircraft. See also hot air baloon, blimp, gyro-plane, etc...

[rogmackay]

Ok, To satisfy your pet peeve :) Insert "Fixed Wing" in front of Aircraft and insert "Rotary Wing Aircraft" in pace of Helicopter ;)

[sparkerjc]

Thanks ;)

[lfguard10]

Excellent video. This is one of the best helicopter vids I've seen. Nice job.

[michaelmiller85]

I'm based out of the Gatlinburg/Pigeon Forge Airport (GKT)

[snowcap150]

what airport is that?

[javiheli1]

nice video......!!

[qazme]

Ah man!! I agree with Jasonbadler here, why did you leave us hanging I wanted to see your 180 to final....lol

[jasonbadler]

Stop leaving us hanging with the 180 autorotation.. How did it go? I love your videos. Keep them coming please. They're very informative and enjoyable to watch.