@joshua2597 The ball was deflected by a fielder in fair territory so the ball is fair. Otherwise, fielders making a hard play could just kick the ball foul and the batter would have to go up again, that's not really fair.
IMO the runner should be safe. Can't allow a fielder to intentionally kick or throw the ball into the basepath in order to get an interference call or take a shot at a runner. I don't think that's what happened here, but it is a similar situation to that theoretical situation.
@joshua2597 the ball shouldnt be foul...the pitcher already did touch it...it bounced off his shoe...but the runner should be safe since the pitcher did run into the base path and actually run into him
oh thats tough 1. iv been umpiring basebnall 8 years now. the runner has a right to the base but yet the feilder has a right to the ball witch was in the runners path but id still call him out.
i would think obstruction and he is awarded first base.. but def a tough call... he did not have the ball when he obstructed the batter/runner going to 1st .. and it is not interference becasue he already had a chance to make a play when it was deflected
@joshua2597 Second: By Rule 7.06(a) Obstruction: if the batter-runner is obstructed before he touches first base, the ball is dead and all runners shall advance to the bases they would have reached, in the umpires judgment, if there had been no obstruction. The obstructed runner shall be awarded at least one base beyond the base he had last legally touched before the obstruction....
It is most unfortunate that the umpire didn't get it right to begin with.
@joshua2597@joshua2597 Two rules apply here. First : By Rule 2.00: A FAIR BALL is a batted ball that... ...while on or over fair territory touches the person of an umpire or player the ball is fair. It hit the pitcher in the foot in fair territory. Fair Ball.
this is a foul ball..... ball lands in foul teriotorry thats its resting spot!!! never came in front of the bag..i am calling foul and we are back in the batters box!!
@marchingsouthenerfan thats cuz u dont know rules of baseball...otherwise an IF can just kick a batted ball into foul territory and take away a hit that way. Doesnt matter where it lands it matters where it was first touched (fair territory)
The runner was out! The only way that it would be interference would be if the pitcher (or any othe player) wasn't going for the ball, but since he was going for the ball the runner was out!!
yeah safe. if that rule wasnt there, people could just divert every ball in front of the runners and have the basemen tackle them before they get there saying they were trying to field the ball
the runner was safe, as you can see the pitcher didnt throw the ball to the first baseman until AFTER he knocks down the runner, thats interference on the pitchers part. GOOD CALL BLUE!!
Read the previous posts and then you'll understand why the runner should be safe. In a nutshell the fielder cannot chase down his own deflection when it is more than a reasonable step of reach from the original play. This is clearly not the case here. A runner ALWAYS has to yield to a defensive player making a play on a BATTED ball. But since the pitcher botched his own play he is no longer protected by that rule since he is now chasing is own deflection and the ball is no longer a batted ball.
And one more thing. Like you mention about the bunt down the baseline. If the runner collided with a fielder, be it the catcher or pitcher, even the first baseman while they are trying to field a BATTED ball, then the runner is out on interference. I can show you how the rule reads, if you want me to.
Well, before we do anything you would have to first observe what the fuck is going on... the pitcher attempted to filed a batted ball, he did so by sticking his foot out, the moment the batted ball deflects off the pitchers foot, it no longer is a batted ball. it is obstruction by the runner if the runner obstructs a fielder from attempting to field a batted ball, since the ball was no longer considered a batted ball, the runner is safe AND additional runners ADVANCE...
Wow...looks like we finally have an intelligent individual that knows what they're talking about...and, yes. Any additional runners would advance if forced to by awarding first to the batter-runner. Good job, fella.
the pitcher interfered with the the runner, even rookie little leaguers know that rule. the rules states that is error on pitcher, the runner was safe on 1st , period, The ump made an initial BAD CALL
no if the fielder or in this case pitcher has to move in to the baseline to field the ball the runner must avoid the pitcher so the call was intially rite so shutup u dumbass of a soccer player trust me im in the minor leagues don't try me
Well, if you're such a minor leaguer there fella, tell me why you're so wrong? Even the minor leagues (which I highly doubt you're a part of so try me) have the same rules regarding this that the majors do. Look it up, that is if you can afford reading lessons on your minor league salary.
well i think that you may be wrong ,third, i would like to see that rule, if you dont mind. im looking at the NCAA 09-10 rule book and im in rule 8 sec 5 D A.R.2:
A.R. 2—If a batted ball is deflected by the pitcher and another fielder has a legitimate
play to retire a runner, the fielder is protected and a collision by a base runner results in
You would be correct my friend but read that rule again, please. This rule states that "If a batted ball is deflected by the pitcher and another fielder"...the word here is "another". The rules does not state he can chase his own deflection which is the case here. Now I totally agree that had the ball been deflected to the first baseman then you would definitely have interference. But this is not the case. You can't chase your own deflection when it is more than a step or reach.
It's clearly not obstruction at 0:09 you can see he has picked the ball up again before contact with the runner. You can touch the runner as long as you have the ball. Runner = OUT
You are a fool and a simpleton that seems to have no idea about the rules of baseball. You cannot have interference under the rules after the initial player makes a play on a BATTED ball. Nice try. Read the rules again and come back when you won't make a fool of yourself.
take this play,r1 on 2b, batter hits a ball that bounces off p and bounses to ss, ss moves in the baseline to field the ball, r1, runs through him and causes him to miss the ball, what do have? look at the play again, the BR has a 3ft running lane, does he use it to avoid the fielder? NO, he runs right through him. Easy call, runner interference
WOW , Clock where and who do You umpire for, because one I would not be your partner and two so that i can warn the other team not to show up. Wow 2 bases huh mmmmmmmmmmmmmm the runner should be called out for not allowing the fielder a chance to make a play on the ball, runner interference.
You do realize clock that if had awarded 2 more bases on this play not only would the coachES on the defensive team eat you alive and crawl so far up your ass that they would need a license to practice dentistry, but I almost guarantee that they would throw a protest in your face. And I'm pretty sure in that case a protest hearing would be held even though that would be considered a "judgment" call.
I don't want to get too technical I do believe that you are wrong. The defense can literally kick the ball around as much as they want. There is no penalty for that. Now, if a RUNNER on offense kicks the ball, well, then you now have interference and that particular runner is out. And on some plays the umpire could even rule BOTH the runner and batter out if he feels the contact with the ball is blatant enough as in breaking up a double play.
@clockmover Just because I'm more knowledgeable about umpiring than you doesn't mean that you should try to ACT like you know more. Obviously you don't. Actually, you're kinda stupid when it comes to the rules. You're previous posts prove that. With that being said, the scenario about kicking the ball was nothing more than an example to illustrate my point. Sure glad I would never have to partner up with you on a game. It would be easier to do the game solo than with you messing it up.
@clockmover Besides, get your stories straight. I'm not the one that said he was the college umpire. So, are we done flinging the mud or do you want me to step it up and make you look really, really bad?
it is clearly seen that the pitcher made a kick as a defensive move.... if contact is made this results in the same penalty just as if you take off your hat and make contact with the ball or you throw your glove and make contact with the ball.....
3 bases meaning the base he is going towards plus 2 more in this case he should have gotten 3rd.....
but i will say i do agree with the fact that the umpires made the call even though it was wrong it should stick.....
wait wait...you say that making a reaction to the ball with your foot, and making contact results in the same penalty as throwing a piece of equipment at the ball? maybe i missed something...enlighten me
watch baseball....players kick the ball all the time...there is no penalty for doing so. This is just a natural reaction to knock the ball down. Get real
Maybe you're right. Now if only a foot counted as a pitching rubber. Watch the video again, my friend. Unless his foot is the pitching rubber that hit off his right foot.
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I think it is b/c the know-nothings or want-to-learn-nothings have gone. Maybe, some have gotten intelligent and actually read the previous arguments and found they have nothing to say different and will still be wrong.
Me, I have learned something from this video and will call OBS if I see a similar play. Maybe, that is why they are quiet finally.
Any fielder is allowed to enter the baseline to field a fair batted ball. However, it must be the initial attempt on the ball. Since the pitcher had already deflected the ball, this was he second attempt on the ball. This would be the same concept as a outfielder throwing the ball into the infield and this play occurring. The base runner is safe due to defensive interference.
Sigh...please look into the rule some more. A player cannot chase his own misplay after the ball has left the imaginary box of protection. In other words, the "reach or step" rule doesnt apply. And since he chased his own oops that went into the path of a baserunner, he should be safe under the rule, not out.
I don't know how it would be scored in regard to an error. I would think not because the play should had ended with defensive obstruction. I am kinda vague when you mention had he not made the play. What do you mean? He made a play but he misplayed it. Clarify, please.
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A tag on this play is totally irrelevant. The obstruction occured before any tag (which he wasnt tagged anyway) and even if he had been tagged the call of obstruction would have killed the play. Missed call and the runner should be safe.
Its obstruction, safe at first. The pitcher's advantage to field the ball w/ protection from interference by a runner ended when he kicked it on the mound. The protection a fielder gets is a step and a reach from the original spot where the ball was touched by the fielder.
First of all, anyone who was calling "interference" on this play is an idiot... the defense (save the catcher) doesn't interfere they obstruct, and to call obstruction when the fielder is in the act of fielding the ball is just wrong... besides it looked like he got him on the tag, hes out for sure, done like dinner. I'd like to see the report on why they overturned the umpire ruling.
haha you are such a dumb fuck...you should read your fucking rules before you tell someone else they are retarded...a fielder cannot get in the way of a runner or thats obstruction and bases should be awarded accordingly...IDIOT
If the fielder is IN THE ACT OF FIELDING THE BALL he cannot cause obstruction. and i didn't say retarded, i said idiot and that was in response to the misuse of the term "interference". In Canadian Content there are specific non contact rules for instances like this.
No. It hit the pitcher (in fair territory) first. It's only foul if it goes foul off the bat. Otherwise what's from stopping players from picking up a batting ball and throwing it into foul territory to create a foul ball anytime they want.
Yeah, No matter what happened on this call if your team blew a 3 run lead you are all of bunch of cunts. Go wash your pussy and try-out for field hockey.
1) The pitcher flails his glove arm as the runner jumps over him. It looks as if he's trying to trip him intentionally.
2) The runner, after being called out, looks like he's thinking "ok, I'm out." No apparent argument.
My next thought is, even if the guy is called safe after weeks of thought, get the next guys out. You blew a 3 run lead. It seems to me that it's interference though.
I assume this is under NCAA rules. Which define "obstruction" as "The act of a fielder who, while not in possession of the ball, impedes the progress of any runner.
A.R.—Obstruction shall be called on a defensive player who blocks off a base, base line or home plate from a base runner while not in possession of the ball regardless of the result of the play."
whether or not he had the ball when he hit the runner is very close. and debateable.
im a certified HS ump n here is my call on the play. the pitcher was only trying to make a play on the ball and never intentionally obstruct the runner. i say it is a clean out because the fielder is allowed 2 block the baseline if they are making a play on the ball. i never saw the pitcher try to obstruct the runner, he was only going 4 the ball. and when the offense interferes its called "interference" when the defense interferes its called "obstruction." just my opinion on this play.
Then, u have this wrong. Obstruction does not require intent. And, this is Obstruction b/c he is not playing a batted ball anymore. He is playing a deflection he caused. So, he cannot get in the runner's base path for any reason now. If he was playing a batted ball or a deflection from another player, then he could field the ball and Interference would be the call. Again, Obstruction requires no intent. This is Obstruction by definition.
Then you should turn in your certification. The pitcher lost his protection once the ball left his immediate area after he kicked it. After that he has no right to obstruct the baserunner. The correct call is indeed obstruction.
1) The pitcher flails his glove arm as the runner jumps over him. It looks as if he's trying to trip him intentionally.
2) The runner, after being called out, looks like he's thinking "ok, I'm out." No apparent argument.
My next thought is, even if the guy is called safe after weeks of thought, get the next guys out. You blew a 3 run lead. It seems to me that it's interference though.
Ok, fella. Since you seem to think that you know the rules of baseball please let us all know just where the rule is that says the fielder can do whatever he wants. You won't find it because you're wrong. But I, on the other hand, will be more than happy to prove you wrong. Maybe you need to learn the rules before sounding like a jackass.
So the pitcher is suppose to avoid the runner and let the ball go? As long as the fielder is making an attempt at the ball he/she can go wherever they want. Would you expect the 2nd baseman to avoid a runner going from first to second while fielding a ground ball between the bases?
In this case, yes, the pitcher has to let the runner clear before getting the ball. He is fielding his own deflection so he has to yield. If he was fielding a batted ball or a deflection from another player, then the runner is responsible for avoiding contact. In this case, the pitcher is responsible and failed. So, it is Obstruction by definition.
that would not be obstruction if you were in the act of fielding the ball. That would be interference on the BR. However you must be in the "act" of fielding the ball to have that protection.
True but in order for the "fielder" to have protection granted under the rule, he has to make the play on the ball no further than either a step or reach from the original play. Since the pitcher turned fielder was making a play on his own ball that wasnt within that margin of error, that is what makes this play obstruction.
First of all the pitcher is not consider part of the field. The ball touched a defensive player in fair territory so the ball is fair. The NFHS (fed) rules state: A ball that is misplayed by a fielder and carries into the base path of a runner would give that runner protection while in the base path. The fielder must give the runner the right of way. OBSTRUCTION should have been called.
Read the rule book, kids. This fella should have been safe with an obstruction call. There's a lot more to it than just throwing the ball to first or the pitcher being part of the field. This call was missed because the umpires probably didn't understand the rule either. And yes, how can you call that a foul ball? It hit his foot not the pitching rubber.
Batter is OUT!!!! Ball hit foot of Pitcher in FAIR terrortory.Pitcher is part of the field, Pitcher chases ball and batter jumps over pitcher, pitcher throws batter out... Good Call..
i like how in the description, you try to act like you are better than the other team and better than the umpires...but then the last sentance, "So we should have won, like we did initially." = you are a pussy little bitch. you lost get over it
You'll cut me up and spit me out huh? Do you hang out with Iron Mike Tyson? After reviewing this a little further and reading the past posts i realize what you were trying to say. With thatm i have come to the conclusion that you're not an idiot but a geek. How long you been on here arguing this case? You're correct in the fact that he does'nt need to avoid the pitcher here but the jolt into the air was'nt an attempt to duplicate Ozzie Smith's backflip. It was an attempt to avoid the pitcher
Yeah...I think I had too much green beer over the last several days. Being drunk isn't usual for me. So, sorry for the typos and the lack of making sense. Anyway, I'm still trying to figure out how you're arguing this. Are we saying the same thing just in a different way or do you totally disagree with me? Yeah, I'm probably a geek but I do know what I'm talking about. I don't see what the "flip" has anything to do with what's going on here.
Nope, were not arguing. I just misunderstood your comment about the first baseman being involved. I understand the rule . What im having a tough time with is how it can be ruled "an attempt" to field the ball. Fielding the ball and kicking your foot up to stop it are definately two different things. Before you comment on that point, I cant find anything in the rule book that inists that a deflection is the same as an attempt to field..or that its not for that matter.
my point is how does he misplay this ball? He never makes an attempt to field it just knock it down then field it. Im not saying you're incorrect. I just want to find out where it shows that a deflected ball is the the same as misplayed...what if he takes a line drive off the knee..is that a misplay? an error wouldnt have been awarded so how can it be?
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the runner should be givin first because the deflection was play
rickrickheim100 1 month ago
194 ppl were too stupid to get into a university.
thetrollking124 5 months ago
@joshua2597 The ball was deflected by a fielder in fair territory so the ball is fair. Otherwise, fielders making a hard play could just kick the ball foul and the batter would have to go up again, that's not really fair.
thenamesgus 6 months ago
Hit pitchers foot
Alfred81WarPig 7 months ago
@joshua2597 why in the world would that be foul?
JSikula93 7 months ago
IMO the runner should be safe. Can't allow a fielder to intentionally kick or throw the ball into the basepath in order to get an interference call or take a shot at a runner. I don't think that's what happened here, but it is a similar situation to that theoretical situation.
dwolfg 8 months ago
@joshua2597 the ball shouldnt be foul...the pitcher already did touch it...it bounced off his shoe...but the runner should be safe since the pitcher did run into the base path and actually run into him
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oh thats tough 1. iv been umpiring basebnall 8 years now. the runner has a right to the base but yet the feilder has a right to the ball witch was in the runners path but id still call him out.
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BabeyyJessiaij52 11 months ago
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kesscool 1 year ago
@joshua2597
how is it Foul, the pitcher kicked it..LOL
mazzamouth 1 year ago
whoever said this was a foul ball is an idiot. If it touches a feilder in play its a fair ball, it doesnt matter if it rolls foul. fucking idiot
iailwas 1 year ago
Safe
ThirdTerm 1 year ago
@joshua2597 - the ball becomes fair the moment it deflected off the pitcher on the mound.
cviverito 1 year ago
i would think obstruction and he is awarded first base.. but def a tough call... he did not have the ball when he obstructed the batter/runner going to 1st .. and it is not interference becasue he already had a chance to make a play when it was deflected
ajga2233 1 year ago
@joshua2597 Second: By Rule 7.06(a) Obstruction: if the batter-runner is obstructed before he touches first base, the ball is dead and all runners shall advance to the bases they would have reached, in the umpires judgment, if there had been no obstruction. The obstructed runner shall be awarded at least one base beyond the base he had last legally touched before the obstruction....
It is most unfortunate that the umpire didn't get it right to begin with.
BudmanPackfan 1 year ago
@joshua2597 @joshua2597 Two rules apply here. First : By Rule 2.00: A FAIR BALL is a batted ball that... ...while on or over fair territory touches the person of an umpire or player the ball is fair. It hit the pitcher in the foot in fair territory. Fair Ball.
BudmanPackfan 1 year ago
this is a foul ball..... ball lands in foul teriotorry thats its resting spot!!! never came in front of the bag..i am calling foul and we are back in the batters box!!
marchingsouthenerfan 1 year ago
@marchingsouthenerfan thats cuz u dont know rules of baseball...otherwise an IF can just kick a batted ball into foul territory and take away a hit that way. Doesnt matter where it lands it matters where it was first touched (fair territory)
mulie2000 1 year ago
The runner was out! The only way that it would be interference would be if the pitcher (or any othe player) wasn't going for the ball, but since he was going for the ball the runner was out!!
xTH3B3ASTx 1 year ago
dude that ball touched the picthers foot, how can it be ruled foul?
mazzamouth 1 year ago
@mazzamouth: It wasn't. Read the comments and get educated.
bigyaz 1 year ago
@bigyaz ...dude the pitcher kicked the ball... it is a fair ball.. read what rules?
mazzamouth 1 year ago
@joshua2597 you cannot be safe if the ball is foul.
codfish1987 2 years ago
@codfish1987 hey touch the ball it cant be foul
gunslinger5061 8 months ago
Right but the ball hit the pitchers foot so it's clearly a fair ball even though it was picked up in foul territory.
ThirdTerm 2 years ago
this might be the first time a situation that was purely hypothetical actually got played out
JanuaryDiamonds 2 years ago
yeah safe. if that rule wasnt there, people could just divert every ball in front of the runners and have the basemen tackle them before they get there saying they were trying to field the ball
JanuaryDiamonds 2 years ago
the runner was safe, as you can see the pitcher didnt throw the ball to the first baseman until AFTER he knocks down the runner, thats interference on the pitchers part. GOOD CALL BLUE!!
ketwoly 2 years ago
out for sure, as long as the fielder doest purposley try to obstruct
bsavSOpo 2 years ago
Intent or non-intent is not a factor
cheycharoden 2 years ago
all the people that think hes safe, explain one thing
ur saying that if the baseball ends up in the base path, the fielders cant get the ball?
what about bunts down the line?
people field them, collisions happen
its not interference if they're getting the ball
thats in play, its just a matter of who gets there first, in this case, they met there at the same time
wlozier23 2 years ago
Read the previous posts and then you'll understand why the runner should be safe. In a nutshell the fielder cannot chase down his own deflection when it is more than a reasonable step of reach from the original play. This is clearly not the case here. A runner ALWAYS has to yield to a defensive player making a play on a BATTED ball. But since the pitcher botched his own play he is no longer protected by that rule since he is now chasing is own deflection and the ball is no longer a batted ball.
ThirdTerm 2 years ago 3
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ThirdTerm 2 years ago
And one more thing. Like you mention about the bunt down the baseline. If the runner collided with a fielder, be it the catcher or pitcher, even the first baseman while they are trying to field a BATTED ball, then the runner is out on interference. I can show you how the rule reads, if you want me to.
ThirdTerm 2 years ago 2
okay, fair enough
you have shown that you outsmart me
i give up :p
wlozier23 2 years ago
Well, before we do anything you would have to first observe what the fuck is going on... the pitcher attempted to filed a batted ball, he did so by sticking his foot out, the moment the batted ball deflects off the pitchers foot, it no longer is a batted ball. it is obstruction by the runner if the runner obstructs a fielder from attempting to field a batted ball, since the ball was no longer considered a batted ball, the runner is safe AND additional runners ADVANCE...
cheycharoden 2 years ago 4
Wow...looks like we finally have an intelligent individual that knows what they're talking about...and, yes. Any additional runners would advance if forced to by awarding first to the batter-runner. Good job, fella.
ThirdTerm 2 years ago
You might as well face it. You are not going to educate everyone on this.
chaz1177 2 years ago
what colleges this
Gilb604 2 years ago
safe its player interference
ComedicPantsco 2 years ago
All you numbnuts don't even deserve an explanation on this. Read the previous posts, shut up and go home.
ThirdTerm 2 years ago
HE'S OUT!
jeanfluke 2 years ago
hahaha I would argue about the ruling but that shit is halerious some of the funniest shit I have ever seen!! :D
FokFaces2 2 years ago
the pitcher interfered with the the runner, even rookie little leaguers know that rule. the rules states that is error on pitcher, the runner was safe on 1st , period, The ump made an initial BAD CALL
lovestohappen 2 years ago
no if the fielder or in this case pitcher has to move in to the baseline to field the ball the runner must avoid the pitcher so the call was intially rite so shutup u dumbass of a soccer player trust me im in the minor leagues don't try me
baseballstar6784 2 years ago
Well, if you're such a minor leaguer there fella, tell me why you're so wrong? Even the minor leagues (which I highly doubt you're a part of so try me) have the same rules regarding this that the majors do. Look it up, that is if you can afford reading lessons on your minor league salary.
ThirdTerm 2 years ago
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FaultyPly 2 years ago
well i think that you may be wrong ,third, i would like to see that rule, if you dont mind. im looking at the NCAA 09-10 rule book and im in rule 8 sec 5 D A.R.2:
A.R. 2—If a batted ball is deflected by the pitcher and another fielder has a legitimate
play to retire a runner, the fielder is protected and a collision by a base runner results in
interference.
ap1010 2 years ago
You would be correct my friend but read that rule again, please. This rule states that "If a batted ball is deflected by the pitcher and another fielder"...the word here is "another". The rules does not state he can chase his own deflection which is the case here. Now I totally agree that had the ball been deflected to the first baseman then you would definitely have interference. But this is not the case. You can't chase your own deflection when it is more than a step or reach.
ThirdTerm 2 years ago 7
@ThirdTerm
It's clearly not obstruction at 0:09 you can see he has picked the ball up again before contact with the runner. You can touch the runner as long as you have the ball. Runner = OUT
bvstevenash 11 months ago
@bvstevenash
You are a fool and a simpleton that seems to have no idea about the rules of baseball. You cannot have interference under the rules after the initial player makes a play on a BATTED ball. Nice try. Read the rules again and come back when you won't make a fool of yourself.
ThirdTerm 11 months ago
Where do get that this ball was hit to the shortstop?
???
ThirdTerm 2 years ago
take this play,r1 on 2b, batter hits a ball that bounces off p and bounses to ss, ss moves in the baseline to field the ball, r1, runs through him and causes him to miss the ball, what do have? look at the play again, the BR has a 3ft running lane, does he use it to avoid the fielder? NO, he runs right through him. Easy call, runner interference
ap1010 2 years ago
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ThirdTerm 2 years ago
i agree with your basic idea...tha fielder has tha rite to make tha play...tha runner has to avoid him
jdready2fite 2 years ago
The fielder already attemted his play on the ball by sticking his foot out.
cheycharoden 2 years ago 4
the guy dove in front of him last second tho..
EmPhEsIs 2 years ago
WOW , Clock where and who do You umpire for, because one I would not be your partner and two so that i can warn the other team not to show up. Wow 2 bases huh mmmmmmmmmmmmmm the runner should be called out for not allowing the fielder a chance to make a play on the ball, runner interference.
ap1010 2 years ago
You do realize clock that if had awarded 2 more bases on this play not only would the coachES on the defensive team eat you alive and crawl so far up your ass that they would need a license to practice dentistry, but I almost guarantee that they would throw a protest in your face. And I'm pretty sure in that case a protest hearing would be held even though that would be considered a "judgment" call.
ThirdTerm 2 years ago
Hey clock fella,
I don't want to get too technical I do believe that you are wrong. The defense can literally kick the ball around as much as they want. There is no penalty for that. Now, if a RUNNER on offense kicks the ball, well, then you now have interference and that particular runner is out. And on some plays the umpire could even rule BOTH the runner and batter out if he feels the contact with the ball is blatant enough as in breaking up a double play.
ThirdTerm 2 years ago
@ThirdTerm lmao the defense can kick the ball around as much as they want... lmao wow some college umpire you are... lmao
clockmover 1 year ago
@clockmover Just because I'm more knowledgeable about umpiring than you doesn't mean that you should try to ACT like you know more. Obviously you don't. Actually, you're kinda stupid when it comes to the rules. You're previous posts prove that. With that being said, the scenario about kicking the ball was nothing more than an example to illustrate my point. Sure glad I would never have to partner up with you on a game. It would be easier to do the game solo than with you messing it up.
ThirdTerm 1 year ago
@clockmover Besides, get your stories straight. I'm not the one that said he was the college umpire. So, are we done flinging the mud or do you want me to step it up and make you look really, really bad?
ThirdTerm 1 year ago
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ThirdTerm 1 year ago
it is clearly seen that the pitcher made a kick as a defensive move.... if contact is made this results in the same penalty just as if you take off your hat and make contact with the ball or you throw your glove and make contact with the ball.....
3 bases meaning the base he is going towards plus 2 more in this case he should have gotten 3rd.....
but i will say i do agree with the fact that the umpires made the call even though it was wrong it should stick.....
clockmover 2 years ago
wait wait...you say that making a reaction to the ball with your foot, and making contact results in the same penalty as throwing a piece of equipment at the ball? maybe i missed something...enlighten me
crimetoad 2 years ago
@clockmover: Now you're just making s*** up. You're so far wrong it's not worth explaining it to you.
ThirdTerm has it nailed. And yes, I'm a college umpire.
bigyaz 1 year ago
being an umpire i would have not only ruled the kid safe but i would have awarded him 2 additional bases.....
i would like to know two things.....
why did it take two weeks to get a ruling and why did they decide to rule him safe?????
my guess would be this..... like i said i would have awarded him 2 additional bases because baseball is not soccer.....
just like if any other position player cannot kick a ball neither can a pitcher..... although very few umpires will make that call.....
clockmover 2 years ago
watch baseball....players kick the ball all the time...there is no penalty for doing so. This is just a natural reaction to knock the ball down. Get real
crimetoad 2 years ago
It is a foul ball. It hit the rubber then bounced foul.
555cj 2 years ago
Maybe you're right. Now if only a foot counted as a pitching rubber. Watch the video again, my friend. Unless his foot is the pitching rubber that hit off his right foot.
ThirdTerm 2 years ago
That hit the pitchers foot...
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diskocrisco 2 years ago 2
nice
sonnihCP 2 years ago
its like blocking it with your hand or mitt butt he kicked it lol soo the kids outt,
ulikewienr 2 years ago
Thats great! But it's still not any fun when you don't have someonr to chase down and prove how wrong they are...lol
ThirdTerm 2 years ago
I think it is b/c the know-nothings or want-to-learn-nothings have gone. Maybe, some have gotten intelligent and actually read the previous arguments and found they have nothing to say different and will still be wrong.
Me, I have learned something from this video and will call OBS if I see a similar play. Maybe, that is why they are quiet finally.
chaz1177 2 years ago
that is out because the pitcher is allowed to go on the base line so long he is making a play on the ball.
AdelAgar15 2 years ago
Any fielder is allowed to enter the baseline to field a fair batted ball. However, it must be the initial attempt on the ball. Since the pitcher had already deflected the ball, this was he second attempt on the ball. This would be the same concept as a outfielder throwing the ball into the infield and this play occurring. The base runner is safe due to defensive interference.
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MarkTDJr 2 years ago
safe because the pitcher was in the baseline
tacobell500000 2 years ago
Pretty quiet around here lately. What happened to all the great arguing?
ThirdTerm 2 years ago
You've fought the good fight on here for quite a while!
mae2759 2 years ago
that interference.
702turd 2 years ago
Totally legal he was making an attempt at a play
Igotgame911 2 years ago
tottally legal. if a player is obstructing the base path you can plow them. i can't tell. safe or out?
austingetzthesmall1 2 years ago
it is obstruction no doubt.... the fielder has the right a way to field the ball providing it is the first attempt the pitcher clearly misplayed it
dynexplact 2 years ago
Safe, no question. It's good to know they took the time to get it right, even if it was so much later.
Even if he weren't safe, though, they should have called him safe because that pitcher who kicked the ball seemed kinda faggy, ya know?
TheBubbleKing 2 years ago
that is not interference. the pitcher was trying to make a play so there is no interference. the runner under rule is out.
jmoneyweida 2 years ago
Sigh...please look into the rule some more. A player cannot chase his own misplay after the ball has left the imaginary box of protection. In other words, the "reach or step" rule doesnt apply. And since he chased his own oops that went into the path of a baserunner, he should be safe under the rule, not out.
ThirdTerm 2 years ago 3
Would the misplay rule apply to a non routine play? If he had not made the play it surely wouldn't be counted as an error.
Noold 2 years ago
I don't know how it would be scored in regard to an error. I would think not because the play should had ended with defensive obstruction. I am kinda vague when you mention had he not made the play. What do you mean? He made a play but he misplayed it. Clarify, please.
ThirdTerm 2 years ago
Correct. It's obstruction because the fielder was chasing his own deflection.
DennieLemeux 2 years ago
Sorry by misplay I meant. what is considered a misplay? Is it still considered a misplay since it is not a routine play?
Noold 2 years ago
they should keep the call the ump made first, they shouldnt be allowed to overturn the call after the game.
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AlmstSean21 2 years ago
A tag on this play is totally irrelevant. The obstruction occured before any tag (which he wasnt tagged anyway) and even if he had been tagged the call of obstruction would have killed the play. Missed call and the runner should be safe.
ThirdTerm 2 years ago
Safe all the way
redneckhuntin101 2 years ago
Its obstruction, safe at first. The pitcher's advantage to field the ball w/ protection from interference by a runner ended when he kicked it on the mound. The protection a fielder gets is a step and a reach from the original spot where the ball was touched by the fielder.
swg4fnc 2 years ago
First of all, anyone who was calling "interference" on this play is an idiot... the defense (save the catcher) doesn't interfere they obstruct, and to call obstruction when the fielder is in the act of fielding the ball is just wrong... besides it looked like he got him on the tag, hes out for sure, done like dinner. I'd like to see the report on why they overturned the umpire ruling.
sixthbrokenstring 2 years ago
haha you are such a dumb fuck...you should read your fucking rules before you tell someone else they are retarded...a fielder cannot get in the way of a runner or thats obstruction and bases should be awarded accordingly...IDIOT
lonavy77 2 years ago
You talking to me, fella?
ThirdTerm 2 years ago
If the fielder is IN THE ACT OF FIELDING THE BALL he cannot cause obstruction. and i didn't say retarded, i said idiot and that was in response to the misuse of the term "interference". In Canadian Content there are specific non contact rules for instances like this.
sixthbrokenstring 2 years ago
Batter should have been safe, very clearly. Definately if I was ump he would have been safe, due to interference of baserunner.
toldyaso71 2 years ago
the runner was safe look at the pitchers arm when he is reaching up in baseline
thebigtuna88 2 years ago
He was forced out at first, not tagged out.
dfarkins 2 years ago
You guys should try reading the older messages first. It has been clearly explained that the NFHS rule book clearly states that:
Once a fielder misplays a ball and has to chase it, his protection is off and the fielder can no longer be in the way of the baserunner.
Here, the pitcher kicks the ball (misplay), chases it, and thus loses protection. He can no longer be in the running lane.
lilraider7 2 years ago
sooo
does that mean its fielders interference or not?
metallicaxfreek66 2 years ago
the ball is also foul, it went past the first-base line
grizlyadamshadabeard 2 years ago
the pitcher kicked it which makes it fair.
jimbo525SE 2 years ago
No. It hit the pitcher (in fair territory) first. It's only foul if it goes foul off the bat. Otherwise what's from stopping players from picking up a batting ball and throwing it into foul territory to create a foul ball anytime they want.
dfarkins 2 years ago
wow, the pitcher kicked it in fair territory
CatcherAI 2 years ago
where was the first baseman on that play?
sjhamp 2 years ago
Th efielder has the right to the base path if he is getting the ball learn the rules
bhforlifekid 2 years ago
Yeah, No matter what happened on this call if your team blew a 3 run lead you are all of bunch of cunts. Go wash your pussy and try-out for field hockey.
pingswinggolf 2 years ago
The two things I notice are:
1) The pitcher flails his glove arm as the runner jumps over him. It looks as if he's trying to trip him intentionally.
2) The runner, after being called out, looks like he's thinking "ok, I'm out." No apparent argument.
My next thought is, even if the guy is called safe after weeks of thought, get the next guys out. You blew a 3 run lead. It seems to me that it's interference though.
superduperpooper5 2 years ago
I assume this is under NCAA rules. Which define "obstruction" as "The act of a fielder who, while not in possession of the ball, impedes the progress of any runner.
A.R.—Obstruction shall be called on a defensive player who blocks off a base, base line or home plate from a base runner while not in possession of the ball regardless of the result of the play."
whether or not he had the ball when he hit the runner is very close. and debateable.
crondawg101 2 years ago
watch the pitchers arm on 0:10
lotrrul3z 2 years ago
im a certified HS ump n here is my call on the play. the pitcher was only trying to make a play on the ball and never intentionally obstruct the runner. i say it is a clean out because the fielder is allowed 2 block the baseline if they are making a play on the ball. i never saw the pitcher try to obstruct the runner, he was only going 4 the ball. and when the offense interferes its called "interference" when the defense interferes its called "obstruction." just my opinion on this play.
crondawg101 2 years ago
Then, u have this wrong. Obstruction does not require intent. And, this is Obstruction b/c he is not playing a batted ball anymore. He is playing a deflection he caused. So, he cannot get in the runner's base path for any reason now. If he was playing a batted ball or a deflection from another player, then he could field the ball and Interference would be the call. Again, Obstruction requires no intent. This is Obstruction by definition.
chaz1177 2 years ago
Then you should turn in your certification. The pitcher lost his protection once the ball left his immediate area after he kicked it. After that he has no right to obstruct the baserunner. The correct call is indeed obstruction.
bigyaz 2 years ago
The two things I notice are:
1) The pitcher flails his glove arm as the runner jumps over him. It looks as if he's trying to trip him intentionally.
2) The runner, after being called out, looks like he's thinking "ok, I'm out." No apparent argument.
My next thought is, even if the guy is called safe after weeks of thought, get the next guys out. You blew a 3 run lead. It seems to me that it's interference though.
donkeegan1107 2 years ago
all of u are retard the fielder has the every right to go into the base path learn the rules of baseball
bhforlifekid 2 years ago
Ok, fella. Since you seem to think that you know the rules of baseball please let us all know just where the rule is that says the fielder can do whatever he wants. You won't find it because you're wrong. But I, on the other hand, will be more than happy to prove you wrong. Maybe you need to learn the rules before sounding like a jackass.
ThirdTerm 2 years ago
Are you guys stupid? fielders can do whatever they want to get the ball... he is out if he tagged him.
CavsLebron023 2 years ago
It's caled baseline interference blue
codyfritts 2 years ago
So the pitcher is suppose to avoid the runner and let the ball go? As long as the fielder is making an attempt at the ball he/she can go wherever they want. Would you expect the 2nd baseman to avoid a runner going from first to second while fielding a ground ball between the bases?
Noold 2 years ago
I'm 10 excuse me
codyfritts 2 years ago
In this case, yes, the pitcher has to let the runner clear before getting the ball. He is fielding his own deflection so he has to yield. If he was fielding a batted ball or a deflection from another player, then the runner is responsible for avoiding contact. In this case, the pitcher is responsible and failed. So, it is Obstruction by definition.
chaz1177 2 years ago
baseline interference get back on first lol
Stantonusmc 2 years ago
the fact that he kicked the ball didnt matter is was the pitcher getting in the way of the runner at first base
metalrcks55 2 years ago
Think of it this way, the rule keeps fielders from kicking the ball into the baseline and leveling any player that comes near it.
TheAndy500 2 years ago
cool vid.
WitnessofTheHolyOne 2 years ago
This happened to me a grounder to first i go and field it and this guy ran into me with out trying to get out of the way.
BanditDJ 2 years ago
that would not be obstruction if you were in the act of fielding the ball. That would be interference on the BR. However you must be in the "act" of fielding the ball to have that protection.
denealianvp1 2 years ago
True but in order for the "fielder" to have protection granted under the rule, he has to make the play on the ball no further than either a step or reach from the original play. Since the pitcher turned fielder was making a play on his own ball that wasnt within that margin of error, that is what makes this play obstruction.
ThirdTerm 2 years ago
I was referring to Bandit dj's comment below. his scenerio would not be obstruction but interference on the offensive player.
denealianvp1 2 years ago
I hear ya, fella.
ThirdTerm 2 years ago
First of all the pitcher is not consider part of the field. The ball touched a defensive player in fair territory so the ball is fair. The NFHS (fed) rules state: A ball that is misplayed by a fielder and carries into the base path of a runner would give that runner protection while in the base path. The fielder must give the runner the right of way. OBSTRUCTION should have been called.
denealianvp1 2 years ago 2
This is one of the better explainations I've read from most of the people here. Good job.
ThirdTerm 2 years ago
Read the rule book, kids. This fella should have been safe with an obstruction call. There's a lot more to it than just throwing the ball to first or the pitcher being part of the field. This call was missed because the umpires probably didn't understand the rule either. And yes, how can you call that a foul ball? It hit his foot not the pitching rubber.
ThirdTerm 2 years ago
thirdterm is exactly right. the pitcher trips up the runner going for the grounder therefore the runner is safe do to the interference rule.
abakes4 2 years ago
anyone who said this was a foul ball is an idiot.
NYkid420 2 years ago
how was he ever safe? 1. you tagged him 2. you got him out at 1st
neekhaiz 2 years ago
Batter was tagged as well...HE IS OUTTY LIKE GOUDY!!!
falcondan95705 2 years ago
Batter is OUT!!!! Ball hit foot of Pitcher in FAIR terrortory.Pitcher is part of the field, Pitcher chases ball and batter jumps over pitcher, pitcher throws batter out... Good Call..
falcondan95705 2 years ago
this is nothing. No infractions.
yincamping 2 years ago
i like how in the description, you try to act like you are better than the other team and better than the umpires...but then the last sentance, "So we should have won, like we did initially." = you are a pussy little bitch. you lost get over it
malph69 2 years ago
exactly
robertobob666 2 years ago
thats a foul ball
didnt hit the pitcher til it was foul
fould ball
no foul or infraction
thalittlesthobo 2 years ago
Came off his foot
redcliffepadres 2 years ago 2
the pitcher put his foot right in front of it causin it to go foul there fore it was not foul
robertobob666 2 years ago
i take that back, it was a foul ball and the umpire shoudl've saw it
bigkillpac 2 years ago
ha, how is that a foul ball, the ball was hit to the pitcher and deflected off the pitcher and went over the foul line. that aint a foul ball
keefe2007 2 years ago
he is out, they both have a right to be running and the runner happened to get screwed
bigkillpac 2 years ago
Interference, so he's safe
Leeroydiehard 2 years ago
Fielder already had a dig at fielding with his foot, therefore it's obstruction
redcliffepadres 2 years ago
Safe at first, umpire. No need to think about this one.
lifesAnOcean 2 years ago 2
Tell just where the runner "tried" to avoind the fielder here? He didn't try because he shouldn't of had to.
ThirdTerm 2 years ago
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sayhey24man 2 years ago
You'll cut me up and spit me out huh? Do you hang out with Iron Mike Tyson? After reviewing this a little further and reading the past posts i realize what you were trying to say. With thatm i have come to the conclusion that you're not an idiot but a geek. How long you been on here arguing this case? You're correct in the fact that he does'nt need to avoid the pitcher here but the jolt into the air was'nt an attempt to duplicate Ozzie Smith's backflip. It was an attempt to avoid the pitcher
crimetoad 2 years ago
Yeah...I think I had too much green beer over the last several days. Being drunk isn't usual for me. So, sorry for the typos and the lack of making sense. Anyway, I'm still trying to figure out how you're arguing this. Are we saying the same thing just in a different way or do you totally disagree with me? Yeah, I'm probably a geek but I do know what I'm talking about. I don't see what the "flip" has anything to do with what's going on here.
ThirdTerm 2 years ago
Nope, were not arguing. I just misunderstood your comment about the first baseman being involved. I understand the rule . What im having a tough time with is how it can be ruled "an attempt" to field the ball. Fielding the ball and kicking your foot up to stop it are definately two different things. Before you comment on that point, I cant find anything in the rule book that inists that a deflection is the same as an attempt to field..or that its not for that matter.
crimetoad 2 years ago
8-4-2 g
"A fielder is not protected, except from intentional contact if he misplays the ball and has to move from his origional location"
That's from the NFHS rules. I think this is a college game, but the rule is the same.
DennieLemeux 2 years ago 2
my point is how does he misplay this ball? He never makes an attempt to field it just knock it down then field it. Im not saying you're incorrect. I just want to find out where it shows that a deflected ball is the the same as misplayed...what if he takes a line drive off the knee..is that a misplay? an error wouldnt have been awarded so how can it be?
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ha ha out
ffiissttoo 2 years ago
why?
ThirdTerm 2 years ago
the pitcher had the ball and made contact using the ball when they fell
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