" the belief that all those so-called muslims who have not entered into his [hazrat mirza ghulam ahmad's] bai`at formally, wherever they may be, are kafirs and outside the pale of islam, even though they may not have heard the name of the promised messiah. that these beliefs have my full concurrence, i readily admit." a'inah-i sadaqat by mirza basheerudin mahmoud ahmad qadiani second harami khalifa of the qaadianis . love for all hatred for none is a bullshit slogan of them
ok listen if you are Muslim then how can you abuse?
i cant understand man.
tum logon ke maulvi Masjadoon mein galiyan dete hain... ager tum samajhte ho keh galiyan dene se ham Ahmadiyyat chor den ge to tum ghalat ho.ham to jan qurban karne wale log hain.kia Hazrat Muhammad PBUH ke dor mein galiyoon se ya mar kar logon lo Mulims banaya gya tha. infact NO.
Hazoor ki ZUban Mubarak Shehad se ziada meethi thi. Hazoor ka dil saf or pak tha.
And (Jesus) shall be a Sign (for the coming of) the Hour (of Judgment): therefore have no doubt about the (Hour), but follow ye Me: this is a Straight Way.
(The Holy Quran, Az-Zukhruf, 43:61)
END OF STORY, YOU BUNCH OF MUNAFIQS!
IF JESUS WAS DEAD, THEN WHY IS IT,MIRZA GHULAM CLAIMED TO BE THE SAME JESUS ?
ShaitanIZback: Your translation is"And (Jesus) shall be a Sign (for the coming of) the Hour (of Judgment): therefore have no doubt about the (Hour), but follow ye Me: this is a Straight Way." And the accurate translation is "But verily, he was a sign of the Hour. So have no doubt about it, but follow me. This is the right path."
I hope you did not purposely change the translation. Please be careful when quoting Qur'an as it is the word of Allah.
Mirza Gulam Qadeyani was a fucking KIZAB,he was a LANTI,HE was murdud & Murtud,All the Qadeyanis who belive the Mirza Kizab they r Kafir & Murtud.He was not Imam Mehdi,yeh kesa Imam mehdi hey ju k kuch nahi kar saka islam k ley bulky Muslamano k nam par daba hey,or kabi Mahdi or kabi Mohammad s.a.w SAni "nauz billlh"apny aap ku kehlata hey?Mirza Qadeyani was a fucking Kizab our Shit mouth.Allah Es Mirza Qadeyani Fitna say hum sab ku mahfouz rakhy ,aamin
Qadiyanism is Kuffer being spread in the Guise of Islam.... Mirza Ghulam was a proven liar!
Mirza Ghulam claimed,He had the power to give and take life, He had the power to make Heaven and Earth, He even thought he was God...On top of all the Prophets...Do You Qadiyanis Know what "Kuffer" is ???
Any Qadiyani care to prove me wrong ?
Qadiyanis need to start reading their own Messiah outrageous claims, To understand the Kuffer They are dwelling in....
jo chanda na de, jammat us ka boycaot nai karti? Esa A.S ki death k baray main Qoran ye kehta hai hai sleeb pe unka hum-shakal charhaya gya tha aur Allah ne unhain aasmano pe utha lia, kia aasman pe utha liay janay se unka martaba Allah ki most favorite Nabi SAWW se zyada ho gya? Martba tou ye hai k jo kaam Esa A.S na kr sakay (spreading Islam) wo Allah k aakhri NAbi SAWW ne kia "deen ki takmeel" sha86zad.. great job, salute2ur patience. Ahmadies scared to accept truth, mirza is a LIAR.
"Muhammad is not the father of any man among you, but he is the messenger of Allah and THE SEAL OF PROPHETS; and Allah is aware of all things. Al Quran 33:40
I request Qadiyanis to please stop twisting Allah's clear words to prove mirza Qadiyani as a prophet.Seal of prophets clearly means there can not be any new prophets of any kind after our prophet Mohammed(saw).Please come to the real islam before its too late.
jahilpen: We believe in coming of Essa(as) because our prophet has told us to believe that. It is what all muslims believed until some british slave claimed that his the massiha so he can protect his master (british government) from muslims fighting jihad against them & the simple minded villagers fell for such a blatent lie. u are the child of them gullible ex muslims. Come back to the orignal islam again which your forefathers left for fake massiha!
If Prophet SAWW said so, by God Ahmadies will BD first to obey. Where he said so? NEVER!
Quran's 3-144 is categoric that The Prophets B4 Holy Prophet SAWW have passed away. Now R U Blasphamimg that nauzubilla Holy Prophet SAWW will say a dead prophet can reappear?
U R buying from Mullahs who r CHRISTIAN WARRIOR. They cannot show anything from Quran or Hadith that Esa (AS) is alive they blasphame that nauzubilla Esa (AS) is alive.
Trigger Ghairat-E-Rasool & shun this Christian doctrine,
Jahilpen: I have showed u all the writings of mirza where he admits his faith & mission in life is only to please british governemnt but you chose to ignore it. Use your common sence please. Just think why would Allah have allowed jihad against enemies of Allah since time of our prophet (saw) & then just stop it for no reason even though there are still so many enemies killing muslims coz of their faith & the weak muslims are crying for help.Who will help them?
Yes HMGA (AS) thanked Brits 4D religious freedom & advised Muslims that Jihad is haram coz Brits gave us full religious freedom. Yes VR very proud of this teaching. This is also D teaching of Holy Propher SAWW & v follow very strigently.
As a result every country on earth respects Ahmadies 4 their patriotism.
UK USA r killing Muslims 2day. thats coz ur colloborating with them. Look Shaistani ar D cost of Sunnis he is hosting USA for 3 more years. Dadjal cannot harm Ahmadies. Come here!
jahilpen: U are wrong! we can argue for eternity about this like we have been doing but the fact will not change that your religion is not the truth. I have tried my best to convey the truth to you but you just seem to ignore everything. You will see the truth one day only if Allah wills & i pray u do see the truth very soon.
jpen: I dont know if your just stubborn & dont want to believe but i swear if their was any truth in your religion i would not be denying it i would have accepted your so called massiha if he was true but the fact which I u can not see is he was not the true massiha. Mayb because you are brought up to believe in what you do that is why it is so hard for you to see the truth. I request you again for your own benefit that try & see the truth without the help of your leaders.
i swear if their was any truth in your religion i would not be denying it
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Thats a great statemenmt it smells of TAQWA & Mohommed SAWW. So I tell u how 2 go about it. U have to start anew completely jettisoning D misinfi Mullahs have fed u.
Start anew. Study HMGA (AS) critically but without prejudice. On another channel I proved 2u that u had misinfo but u did not overcome your prejudice.
Islam cannot b an orphan. Firstly, put 2bed your prejudice, then do due diligence.
jpen: Do u want me to die believing in a british slave as a prophet of Allah? No inshalah i will die as a muslim. Mirza admits he has declared jihad haraam to protect his master & he wants a good reward for it from them:
"I have filled shelves with books which I wrote in praise of the British, especially about the abrogation of Jihad in which many Muslims believe. This is a big service to the Government. So I hope for an appropriate and good reward."
Read what Allah is saying in the following ayats carefully & for once leave what mirza has thought you to one side:
"And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)- Men, women, and children, whose cry is: "Our Lord! Rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will protect; and raise for us from thee one who will help"!
U would be flouting 4:75 if u fought D Brits. U were enjoying religious freedom. U were indebted 2 Brits 4 protecting u from Himdu & Sikh tyrany.
Sir Syed opined that Muslims of Indis will sink into oblivion if they fight Brits.
D Messiha (aS) has 2 tread a straight line. If u disagree with his decision, tough luck. He is not a politician 2 worry 4 your like or dislike. He decides & people of TAQWA obey.
Again Allah orders us to fight the enemies of islam until there is no oppression from them so why u ignoring Allah's words?
"And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah; but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression."
Jahilpen: Brits were the enemies of muslims but obviously they will not harm you because you were created by them. Mirza ghulam was nothing but a britsh slave have i not proved that to you from his own words before so what is left in your religion (qadiayniat) anymore. Accept islam before u die beleieving in your fake prophet.
Overcome Mullahs influence & do due diligence on D Messiha (AS) of Islam. Study HMGA (AS) critically. Verify if he was Brit agent. But do that without prejudice & under zero influence of D enemy of D Messiha (AS) of Islam D MULLAH
Study how Moses dealt with Firaun. Also how Mohommed SAWW dealt with Christian Kings, then measure HMGA (AS) actions.
V reckon HMGA (AS) obeyed Holy Prophet SAWW to show his gratitute 2 Brits & Jihad aginst Brits would have been Haram.
Please understand Allah's message before its too late:
"Those of the believers who sit still, other than those who have a (disabling) hurt, are not on an equality with those who strive in the way of Allah with their wealth and lives. Allah hath conferred on those who strive with their wealth and lives a rank above the sedentary. Unto each Allah hath promised good, but He hath bestowed on those who strive a great reward above the sedentary."
4:95 V challenge that none follow this ayat more than Ahmadies. The financial sacrifice vr doing is phenomenal & there is no worldly vested interest but 2D extent that v believe God returns back more, even in this world.
Ponder why v donate like crazy? The Messiha (AS) has blown life unto us & AlHamdolilla vr not dead. Other Muslims I am sorry, are dead.
Jpen: U say that the dajaal (america) can not harm Ahmadies so thats ok with you & your happy with your massiha's work. But the massiha our prophet promised us was ment to make the whole world peacefull! Not be selfish & only make it peacefull for ahmadies.
Even what you say is not true! This world is not peaceful for anyone,not even Ahmadies bcoz the enemies of islam only look at all of us as muslims they dont know that your ahmadie,shia,sunni.
Messiha (AS) will make peace 4 those who obey God & Holy Prophet SAWW & accept D Messiha (AS) of Islam.
U have 2B nuts that God would protect one who does not accept his Prophet.
Quran confirms there will be disbeleivers always. Nothing can overwrite Quran
Appreciate why Holy Prophet SAWW called Mullahs worst creature under the sky. They are spreading misinfo against The Messiha (AS) including blasphemy that nauzubilla Esa (AS) is alive. How this occult? & no proof from Quran
Jahilpen lets read the hadith of our prophet(saw) shall we & see who is the true promised massiha!
1. The Promised Messiah shall be the son of Mary and none else.
Ghulam Ahmad Qadiyani was not the son of Mary but son of an Indian lady whose name was not Mary but it was Chiragh Bibi. Just to fit himself into the prophesy he concocted the story that he himself was Mary, became pregnant, delivered himself and so on. He wrote, "I was made Mary. I remained Mary for two years. (continued)
1-HMGA (AS) never said that he is nauzubiulla same Esa (AS). The words ur making mockery are metaphor which simply means God prearing him 4 Messiha of Islam. HMGA (AS) categiorically declared Esa (AS) dead.
HMGA (AS) had a beautiful weiting. VR proud of his writing. When u mock v helplessly watch your boot on D other foot
(continued)mirza carries on.. "Then the soul of Jesus was blown into me as it was blown inside Mary. Thus I conceived metaphorically. After some months, not exceeding ten, I changed from Mary and was made Jesus. In this manner, I became 'son of Mary'". Another time Ghulam Qadiyani wrote "I saw myself as if I am a woman and Allah expressed in me His reproductive power of manliness."
I ask you does these sayings of your massiha sound like a person who is in his senses? No doubt he sounds insane!
2. The Promised Messiah "shall descend amidst you".
Ghulam Qadiyani himself wrote: "It occurs in Hadith that the Messiah shall descend from the sky and will be (clad) in two yellow sheets". Ghulam Qadiyani did not descend from anywhere but appointed himself. He was born of Chiragh Bibi.
2-Every Mullah knows descent doesn't nauzubilla mean physical descent, but maliciously D sealed heart Mullahs misguide ummat.
Quran says NAZOOL 4 Holy Prophet SAWW & Nazool is whatever way Holy Propher SAWW Nazooled.
Take care Sha86, I am writing under D impression u r reading without prejudice & 4 due diligence. If u believe that descent is nauzubilla physical, then u r self deceiting D due diligence.
Do TAQWA, throw it thru D window that nauzubilla human being will physically descend
3.The Promised Messiah shall descend on the white minaret of a mosque in the eastern part of Damascus. He did two things to fit himself into this part of the prophesy. (a) He claimed that the village of Qadiyan was like Damascus and he tried to fabricate similarities between Damascus and Qadiyan. (b) He built a mosque with a minaret in Qadiyan and painted it white. He called the minaret "Minaret of the Messiah". However he could not show people that he was descending from heaven on the minaret.
3-Refer comments item 2, Mazool never means physical descend.
a-Qadian is 2D East of Damascus, as prophecised
b-HMGA (AS) never believed in fairy rale that a human being will physically descend. Your assumptions r om a false premisde.
Every Mullah knows that Jews do not accept Jesus coz they r waiting firstly 4 Elaija Ilyas (AS) 2 descend from sky. Jesus told jews Johm D Baptist is Elaija & no one comes from D sky.
Had there been helicopters in those days your mirza perhaps would have borrowed one from the British to show himself descending on the minaret from a helicopter. jpen doesn't it sound like your massiha had some brain problems? As i showed u with proof befr that your great massiha could not tell the diffrence between his right & left shoe so how could you accept such a person to be the promised massiha? He himself admits in his writngs that he has got a brain problem.
4.The true Messiah shall descend while clad in two yellow sheets.Mirza said that two yellow sheets meant two diseases.He said that he was suffering from polyuria & giddiness of head.He boasted that he urinated 100 times a day.He also contradicted himself while saying "It is possible that anther Messiah may descend whom befit the qualities mentioned in the Hadith manifestly". Finally he told the truth when he wrote "two self-contradictory sayings can only come from a madman or from a hypocrite"
5. The Promised Messiah shall break the cross. This prophesy was interpreted to mean that all Christians shall convert to Islam and Christianity as a separate religion shall cease to exist.Mirza himself wrote "The purpose of descent of Messiah is that the theory of Trinity will be completely obliterated..." It is obvious that Christians have multiplied manyfold during the last century. (continued..)
The cross was gloriously broken D Moment HMGA (AS) declared Jesus dead. UR nuts if u believe contrary 2 La Ikrah fid deen, that Esa (AS) will snatch cross from peoples neck.
Quran certiofies that Fauj der Dauj will come into Islam. Quran accepts that there will always be disbelieve.
Islam is 4 all mankind but minority in each continent. None of our business. It's God's Islam, if he wished wouldn't have been so.
Whats important is HMGA (AS0 has geared us 2 defeat Chris comprehensively
(no.5 Continued) Even in the District of Gordaspur the Christian population increased eight-fold between the time of Qadiyani's claim of Messiahship and his death. Ghulam Qadiyani said to emphasize his mission of obliterating Christianity from the earth "If I do not do for the protection of Islam what is attributed to the Promised Messiah and I die bear witness that I am a liar."
Well! Time has given the proof of what he was so why then you still not choose to except him as your massiha?
6. The Promised Messiah shall kill the pig. This prophesy was interpreted that the eating of pig products shall cease to exist. Obviously, this prophesy was not fulfilled.
7. The Promised Messiah shall be a just ruler. A just ruler is not a subject of any people or government. Firstly Ghulam Qadiyani was a subject of the British throne not a ruler. He boasted "Till his death, my father remained a sincere servant of the English Government". (continued)...
6-He killed khislat e Pig. Ahmadies do not have pig in them. Sorry I have 2B blunt. Pigs though vegetarian eat their piglet when it dies. U love your Prophet SAWW but u accept Esa (AS) alive without any substantiation from Quran or Hadith. It's khislat e pig that u eliviate Esa (AS) to heaven & bury D Prophet SAWW, u love.
Trust me it is Khislat Pig, having No ghairat 4 your own Prophet.
(no.7 continued) About himself mirza boasted "I rose to the service of the English Government with my hand and pen ... I have promised to God that I shall not write a book except that I shall mention in it the favours of the Imperial Government".
Secondly he was accused by his own followers to be an embezzler of funds of his community. He was not even a just leader of his small community.
7-All Prophets r rulers? where did u get this from? Yousuf (AS) was reporting 2 king wasn't he? were Moses & Jesus rulers?
As part of your due deligence pls verify if HMGA (AS) embezelled. Check it out. U must have heard it from Mullahs. Let me assure u that God has his grace 4 his Prophets they r of impecable character.
8.The Promised Messiah shall bring all humanity under one religion, Islam before his death. Ghulam Qadiyani himself agreed "... during the period of the Promised Messiah the false religious communities will perish." He further clarified at another place "... lies will completely vanish and all religious communities except Islam will be destroyed." A century has passed since Qadiyani's claim of Messiahship yet the Muslims of the world remain 20 to 25 percent of the world population. (continued)
(no.8 continued) If Qadiyani population only is considered (because mirza taught you that you are the only Muslims in the world) you are under 0.02% of the world population. So again i ask you what good was your fake massiha who did'nt manage to convince even the muslims of his time that he is the true massiha. If there was abit of truth in his claim then all the muslims knowing evrything our prophet told us about the true massiha would have excepted him.
8-v discussed earlier. Such utopia is against Quran.
D Messiha (AS) arguments r extremly authentic. Just look ur deceiting your commonsence & believing without any substantiation that nauzubilla old Jesus is alive.
To refuse D Messiha u r standing on a platform that has no legs. 4 God sake how can u believe in Esa (AS) alive? Such a massive occult & zero substantiation? Once Esa (AS) u accept dead becomes easy 2 accept HMGA (AS)
9. The Promised Messiah shall kill the Dajjal the Deceiver at the gate of Ludd or Lydda. Frequently Dajjal is translated as "Anti-Christ" which may not be true. In fact in Islam there is no concept of Anti-Christ associated with a person. Mirza himself wrote "Then Messiah son of Mary shall move out in search of the Dajjal; he will overtake him at the gate of a town among the towns of Bait Al-Muqaddas (Jerusalem) known as Ludd and kill him." (continued....)
no.9 continued) As we know that no such person having attributes of the Dajjal has appeared yet. Naturally Mirza did not kill any Dajjal he was never accused of killing any person nor he visited Ludd or Lydda. So why then do u still carry on believing in him as the massiha when he did not even do him main duty of killing the dajjal?
10. Allah will generate so much wealth under the rule of the Promised Messiah that no beggar and no poverty will be left in the world.
It is no secret that there is poverty and hunger all over the world including in the most prosperous First World of the West. Mirza himself was a beggar; he wrote "It is necessary for everyone of my followers to remit to me monthly sum of his money." (continued..)
(no.10 continued) Mirza's brother-in-law Mirza Sher Ali used to say "Ghulam Ahmad is indeed a liar and a looter; he has opened this shop to grab money from people".
Mirza was indeed a big lier & no different from other people that falsely claimed to be the promised massiha like Hussain Ali
D Hadith says Esa (AS) will distribute wealth no one will accept. It is wealth of sprituality. HMGA (AS) is talking sence but u wont budge from nonsence of Esa (AS) nauzubilla alive.
Do not shortchange D great words of Holy Prophet SAWW
As due diligence, Pls verify further Mitza Sher Ali's accuzation.
11. The Promised Messiah will establish peace on earth. The lion will graze about with a camel, the leopard with a cow, the wolf with a sheep, Children will play with snakes who will not harm them. Ghulam Qadiyani lived for almost seventeen years after the claim of his Messiahship but he did not establish peace on earth. In fact, two world wars took place and hundreds of small wars have taken lives of millions of people since the death of Mirza.
(no.11 continued) There has been inestimable damage to the environment during periods of "peace" and also due to wars. Lions continue to eat their favorite animals and snakes continue to bite people. So tell me where is the peace on earth which our prophet promised us would be all over the world. The world is alot worser than how it was before, more wars, more hate, more blood shed, more fitnas.
11-People who accepted D Messiha (AS) of Islam r in Noah's ark. U R witness. God is always protecting us. U supprres us in Pakistan God bless us with migration 2 West. Honestly I cannot think of one instance where your aggression, God has not churned into goodness 4 us.
This is the sign of God's Jamaat. When u do due diligence, I trust u will verify this.
Arrows Mullahs have thrown u have found bomeranged into their chest.
No Sir v do not believe lions will survive without eating flesh
12. The Promised Messiah shall perform Hajj or Umra or both. Mirza was so scared of dying that he did not perform Hajj or Umra despite his claim about himself "And God will protect you from people".
13. The Promised Messiah shall remain on earth for forty-five years before dying. About mirza his son Bashir Ahmad wrote "His Holiness announced that he had been commissioned for the reformation of this Ummah in the year 1882. In the year 1889 he announced that he is the revivalist (mujaddid).
12-D Mesiha (AS) of Islam will obey God & His Prophet SAWW. He deprived himself D ecstacy of Hajj coz the passage was not safe 4 him. Can a Muslim proceed on Hajj id passage is unsafe?
13- I will revert when I have any knowledge of this, meanwhile u do due diligence
(no.13 continued) He remained steadfast on this until in 1891 he announced that he is "the Promised Messiah". From the time of his birth in 1839-40 he lived for 68-69 years dying in 1908. The time of his claim to be a reformer was 26 years, the time of his claim to be a mujaddid was 19 years and the time of his claim to Messiahship was 17 years until his death. When is one supposed to begin counting to make 45 years of Messiahship?
14. Ghulam Qadiyani agreed with a Hadith, "Indeed the Prophet of God said that the Messiah will be buried in my grave". Ghulam Qadiyani did not even visit the grave of the Prophet(saw). He died in Lahore his body was carried to Qadiyan where he was buried.
Your fake massiha did not meet even one of the prophesies mentioned here but u still except us to believe he was true.Only ignorant people like you can live in so much darkness! These 14 points mentioned in prophesies of the Prophet Muhammad(saw) regarding the Promised Messiah and their analysis in the light of Ghulam Ahmad Qadiyani show that the claimant of Messiahship was a liar and an imposter. The Promised Messiah Jesus is yet to descend and he will at the time appointed by Allah Himself.
Look at Islam today. Do u believe God will leave Islam unattended? Be possesive of Islam & as natural flow u will InshaAllah end up in Glorious Islam in todays tarnished era. 'AMEN'
If u want 2B in Glorious Islam D Islam of Pride & solace, COME HITHER! There is just this one place which u can win only by shunning Evil Mullahs & obeying God & Holy Prophet SAWW by accepting D Messiha (AS) of Islam
Jpen: U say that ahmadies are safe becoz most Ahmadies live in non muslim countries but just say if america or any other enemy of islam was to attact a muslim country & their were alot of ahmadies living their who die from the attacks. What whould you say then? To b honest i feel u are being selfish, u dont care about thousands of muslims dieing everyday bcoz they are not ahmadies!!
alot of ahmadies living their who die from the attacks
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Ahmsdies have obeyed God & Holy Prophet SAWW. as per devine law Ahmadies will be protected from azaab. However if in an incident Ahmadies Khuda na Khoasta r killed we will subnit 2D will of Gos.
Whats important is not 2 die coz of disobedience & ALHamdolilla v do not have this guilt
jpen: Your massiha use2 say that he will not fight any enemies of islam like our prophet told us he will but he will do jihad with pen but even with pen he did'nt manage to do alot.He did'nt manage to convince anyone except a small group of simple minded muslims that he was the massiha & no non muslims accepted islam from his hands.
Read our prophet's hadith & see what your massiha done from the things our prophet promised us he will do. U will find he did not even do 1 thing he was ment 2
D Messiha has no power 2 decide on his own. He follows Holy Propher SAWW. It is Holy Prophet SAWW not D Messiha that said Esa Masih will put an end to war
O jahil do u only read what mirza has written! Have u not read the hadith of our prophet (saw) where he cleary tells us wars will end & this whole world will be peacefull like heavens after the time of promised massiha 'THE SON OF MARY'. Only then there will be no jihad as there will be no enemies of islam everyone whould have excepted islam so obviously that would put an end to war. Read our prophet's hadith carefully & u will understand if Allah wills.
V should battle in D Islamic spirit. Battle 4 truth without loss of any well-wishing 4D opponent.
May God have mercy on u. will u accept Eid Mubarak from your certified infidel friend who remains a Proud Muslim. If so Pls accept hearty Eid Mubarak.
jpen: I totally agree with u for once. pls do forgive me for using any words that hurt you brother. I understand everyone has their own beliefs & i dont hate you for that. My only intention is to try & make u see the truth. I pray Allah does show both of us the straight path soon. And Jazakalah kher for wishing me Eid Mubarak. I guess yours was ystrday aswel like mine. Hope u enjoyd it. EID MUBARAK.
Jpen: sorry i forgot your in pakistan.I have relatives there so i knew eid there is today. Because its your eid i will not debate with u today..lol. but Will carry on tommorow again if u dont mind.
Jpen:What did your massiha do for muslims that are being oppressed by the enemies of islam & their crying for help? Have u bothered to read our prophet's hadith where he assures us that the true massiha will make this world so peacefull that it will be like heavens & there will be no more enemies of islam so jihad will obviously finish then. How can what you believe make sence to u! I request you to pls think if your massiha was true why did'nt he help anyone that was begging for his help?
What did Holy Prophet SAWW do 4 Non-Muslims? NOTHING! unless they come to Islam.
What did HMGA (AS) do 4 Muslims who do not accept him? NOTHING. They r being genocided by Dadjal. Their morality has so stooped that they r proud of their terrorism decadent tarnished Islam & do not reckon that God cannot leave islam as an orphan unattended religion.
Muslims who r possesive of Islam & need protection Of God have to come to D Messiha (AS) of Islam. Ahmadies rin peace precisely as prophecised.
Jpen i have showed you the ayats from the quran before which prove hazrath essa (as) is still alive.But u take the meaning of them different to us.There are hundreds of hadiths saying the son of mary hazrath essa(as) will come back again as the promised massiha himself so it proves he is still alive.I have showed you them hadiths aswel hundred times but u say they were for mirza not the son of mary jesus. But your massiha mirza did not make this world as it was promised by our prophet!
jpen after showing you clear sayings of our prophet where he says the son of mary hazrath essa(as) will come back nearer to qiyamat but u ignoring them clear quotes & claiming they mean something else i will not go round the same circle again. Instead we will talk about your mirza's prophecies if u dnt mind because he himself has said:
"To Judge my truthfulness or lies, there is no better test than my prophecies."
jpen: Mirza claimed alot of prophecies in his lifetime which proved to be totally false the second he died becasue he claimed those prophecies would come true in his lifetime but Allah proved mirza a big liar making him die a sudden death from cholera.
From hundreds of his false prophecies I will only remind you of some of them & pls tell me why did they not come true, even though mirza claimed what ever he says is from Allah so did Allah lie to mirza? (astagfirullah)
These are a few of mirza's false prophecies. If u need refrences for any of these prophecies i will be happy to provide you. Because of the space limit i will only name the prophecies briefly here:
-His prophecy that he (mirza) will live to be 80 or more years old;
(He died when he was only 68 year old.)
-His prophecy that he would marry Muhammadi Begum, before his death;
I answered re. Mvi Sanaullah. & I am very happy with the comprehensive responce. Hope yout TAQWA triggers & u accept that there was no prophecy as such & D plight of Mvi Sanaullah is indeed eman afroze
Today I messaged you re. age 80. |D prophecy was not exact 80 but +- 80. V have proved he lived to the age 76 as per Islamic calended.
Jpen sorry to disappoint u but after reading your messages its clear your jamaat has tried there level best to hide the truth from you all. Regarding Mirza's prayer for the liar's death FIRST, from him & Molvi Sanaullah i have proved allready on the other video what actually happened & it proves from the eye witnesses present besides Mirza's death bed that Mirza died the liar's death from cholera. Molvi Sanaullah did not die the death Mirza asked for the liar so what does that prove?
I warn u not to lie. u cannot make unsubstantiated claim without God's wrath.
Know this:
HMGA (AS) did not die of cholera. There is no recorded cholera death in April May 1908.
There was no agreement that liar will die in the life of the true. No agreement coz Mvi Sanaullah did not accept D offer.
U r much younger 2 my eldest son. I like u I am fond of u. At times I c glimmer of TAQWA in u, It pains me 2C u dishonestly pursuing littany. Pursue honesty.
You say because Sanaullah said the liar has long life thats the reason Mirza died first & Sanaullah lived long life. Pls use some common sense & tell me if Mirza was really a prophet would Allah disregard his long & distressed dua begging for the liars death first & from cholera? And accept the words of an enemy of Mirza? Pls use your brain Allah has blessed u with & jst think why would Allah use his prophet's own words to prove him a liar? Ur jamaat is full of excuses to cover up MIrza's lies!
Dprayer of a Prophet is generally heard. But not 100%. The prayer u r ranting about is not even in Question, coz of new scenarios.
The new scenario was that after 10 yrs Mvi Sanaullah seeing HMGA (AS) nearing death accepted the challenge that liar will die first. To his surprise HMGA (AS) willingly accepted the offer with condition that u write a note of acceptance. Mvi Sanaullah chickened & the note he wrote was refutal.
This was the new scenario. U cant thrust old obsolete agreement.
Again jpen read what Mirza exactly wrote at the end of the prayer!! He only requested Sanaullah to publish it with a note. No where did he say note of acceptence or anything your saying. His clearly said the decision is now upto Allah.
You still did not explain the fact that why Mirza claimed after 10days of the prayer that his prayer has been accepted by Allah? Was that a lie?
After reading these words of Mirza how can u still say the prayer was not accepted or that it was cancelled?? Read it carefully Mirza said whatever he said about Sanaullah is not from him, its all from Allah!!
"All that has been said about Sanahullah is not from ourselves but is from God, as it was revealed to me on the night of the prayer that 'I respond to the call of the caller'. The meaning of this revelation is that my call has been accepted."
As you said yourself that the prayer of Mirza for the liar's death was NOT a mubahila but was just a prayer in which he left the decision upto Allah. Read Mirza's prayer again & he has said himself that the prayer is not a prophecie or anything like that but is just a PRAYER in which he leaves the decision upto Allah. After 10days Mirza wrote again that Allah has revealed to him that his prayer regarding Sanaullah has been accepted so how do you explain that??????
Read the full article comprehensively. It's most inspiring that HMGA (AS) was nearing death, He already had revealations to that affect, Mvi Sanaullah was 33 yrs younger. Yet he offered MS that the liar will die first. Accept it by publishing in your paper with your note. His note was refutal & nonacceptance.
The offer did not get acceptance. What contract r u selling? Have u no TAQWA, whatsoever?
This incidence is most inspiring. But u ned TAQWA!
No jpen Mirza did not mention anywhere that Sanaullah had to accept the prayer for it to be accepted, all he said was that he requests Sanaullah to publish it in his paper & write what ever he wishes:
"In the end, I expect from Ustad Sanahullah that he should publish this text in his magazine and write whatever note he likes on it. The verdict is now in the hand of Allah. The writer, Allah's servant, Ghulam Ahmad, the Promised Messiah, may God protect him and help him."(Badr, April 15, 1907)
My dear friend, when u offer mubahila to someone then the other person have to put the conditions before mubahila and then Allah decides about the decision regarding to the conditions of both so Molvi sahib clearly mentioned those words that liar lives and truthful dies and he gave an example of muslima kazzab that he lived. There are references from the writings of ahle-e-hadith paper and thats not we ahmadies wrote.
I agree with u for a mubahila both parties have to accept but the way of doing mubahila which we learn from our prophet Mohammed(saw) is that both parties come out face to face & then they both ask Allah for the liars death. What Mirza done was just a prayer in which he turned to Allah for a final decision against the liar. He made 2 things very clear in his long prayer that who ever is a liar will die first & with a disease such as cholera. Both go against Mirza.
Sha86, pls ensure u do not turn up asfter a month & say v did a runner.
Once bitten twice shy, I am monitoring. As adnitted I do not have sufficient knowledge on this score. I npw note that mallikshoasib has put forward a valid point. Pls respond or delete this from your list of unfulfilled Prophecy.
V then move to d next.
By copy 2 maliksohaib, pls remain vigilant, here - JazakAllah
Mirza's prophecy about him living until age 80: Again jpen your jamaat has tried to confuse u by twisting Mirza's birthday to another date & hence tried to prove he did live until age 76. It just shows how much excuses your leaders can come up with to hide the truth from people. Such a simple issue regarding Mirza's life span they have made in to a long twisted story. I can understand if they did'nt make these stories up then people might start realizing the truth which they never want!
-The claim (and Mubahala challenge) that Moulvi Sanaullah of Amristar his arch opponent who had openly called him a liar and an impostor, will die before him;
("The liar will die first" - Mirza died first!)
-His prophecy that Dr. Abdul Hakim, one of his opponents who had called him a liar during an open debate, will die within Mirza's life time;
(mirza said "The liar will die first". But he himself died first!)
- The prophecy (and Mubahala challenge) that Mr. Abdullah Atham, a Christian who had debated with Mirza Ghulam and put him to shame will die before him;
(Mirza had said: "the liar will die first" - Yet, Mirza died first!)
- His revelation that Allah(swt) will bestow upon him a great new son, a sign of Allah's presence and proof of his prophethood;
jpen pls tell me does not all those mubahalas mirza done with his opponents prove him a big liar? where he promised everyone that his opponents will die an ugly death before him but he himself died the death he said the liar will die. What have u got to say about all them false propehcies of your prophet mirza? Do u think Allah gave wrong information to his massiha/prophet?
No the truth is crystal clear for people of taqwa & anyone that has even abit of brains.
Jpen: lets see what your prophet told us to do if any one of his prophecie is proven to be wrong.I have proved his 9 prophecies totally wrong already so are you gona listen to what your massiha is telling you to do below or just carry on ignoring?
"If what I have said does not happen exactly I am prepared for every punishment. my face should be blackened and I should be hanged. I swear by the mighty Allah that what I have said will happen. It must happen. (continued)
(Mirza's lies continued) It is possible that the earth may be changed for another earth and the sky may be replaced by another sky, but it is not possible for God's word to change -- prepare for me a cross if my falsehood is exposed and curse me more than the Satans and the evil persons are cursed."
(Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 6, P. 293; Jang-i-Maqaddas, P. 188)
I sincerely advise you to listen to what mirza is saying above & curse him as that is what he deserves for making million lies up!
jpen I am still waiting for your reply on this very important matter regarding the truthfulness of your beloved prophet mirza! All these lies of mirza prove him a big lier but u still choosing to ignore this very clear sign from allah, can i ask why?
If u have failed to get satisfactory answrs from your leaders abt all these questions i raised then i invite you to come to the true islam where you will find an answer to your every question! Jpen pls accept the truth befr its too late.
Thanks 4 mewssaging list of Prophecies u reckon r unfulfilled. I messaged back re. Mvi Sanaullah very comprehensive details whereby Mvi. Sanaullah not only refuses Mubahila offered by HMGA (AS) at 67 & ill health & Mvi. 33 yrs younger.
Mvi Sanaullah writes Musallma Kazzab lived on after Mohommed SAWW's death & his dying earlier will serve nothing.
This statement by Mvi. Sanaullah obsoleted everything prior. Imp. is u look with TAQWA at what a miserable end God gave him. ur comment pls
tipubhai. why u swearing brother?if u preach, then preach with beautiful words, not swearing.ask people to the right path, but at least try to be on it yourself
Truth cannot b got with nonchallence. Firstly make your tomgue Muslim. Then avoid D evil Co. of Mullahs. This will enable u 2 study D claimant 2D Messiha (AS) of Islam with TAQWA & due diligence.
D Hadith says Esa (AS) will b buried in my grave. Dont buy Mullah's spin & littany. Who mother's son is going 2 nauzubilla dig Holy Prophet SAWW's grave? This Hadith is a metaphor emphasising D Messiha (AS) of Islam & look how ur disobeying God & Holy Prophet & mocking D Messiha (AS) of Islam
I request all muslims that Imam Mehdi A.S. is 'the 12th Imam of Shias' and Imamat is in 'Shias' only since 1400yrs and all of there Imams are 'Direct Decendents of Hazrat Muhammad S.A.W.A.W'. 'The first Imam of shia's is Hazrat Ali a.s',2nd Imam is Hazrat Imam Hassan a.s.,3rd Imam is Hazrat Imam Hussain a.s n 12th will be Hazrat Imam Mehdi a.s.This is the reason when we recite Drood we include The Family of Hazrat Muhammad S.A.W.W.(there is no concept of Imam in any other sect of Islam at all).
of course this is the state of non-Ahmadi badboodar mullahs now., the whole world looks with utter shock and horror the primitive barbaric "achievements" ..latest in Islamabad..of these ghaleez creatures and look what they are busy doing....pronouncing others as non-Muslims and becomeing judges of Islam! yah world News is right - u are terrorists and the bane of this world - and denizens of Hell too - killers of innocent and priests of hatred....jaahil ghaleez cave-dwelling illiterate junglio.
teri ma kay phooday main mirza ka lun :P haha mara bhi tatti kartay huwa tha haha...salaa gadnu :P haha dunia say bond marwa kar mar gya tatti k waqt haha
I BET you, your so called claming Mulsim will soon vanished. I knew so many ex-qadianis who now mashallah converted to sunni muslim after realizing the foolish and ill-logic beliefs of you people. And the conversion goes on and on, Inshallah
mirza might tell good stuff about islam he just had a knowldege of islam.. tahats it but doesnt mean he is prophet of masseha.. in world today there are many gr8 scohlar had more knowldege then mirza.. but they never claim they are prohpet..comeon wakeup ahmediyasssssss
yaa mirza tou mara bhi bathroom main tha...!! maa ka lora....!! ak shieikh tu haraam ki ulaad ho...aur mirza mera lun choosta tha...!!
mirza di pain nu lun....!! he was asshole harai,,,!! sab ahmdiya ki gaand main sur ka lora....!! ma k loray...!! mirza ki bond vich musrraf ka lun...!! asshole
haha...haan coz us say pehlay main nay us ki gaand maari thi and ur sis gave me blow job...haha...kutay..!! peechay meri pic kion lagai hui hay...!! buhat pasand hay mera lora...btw yaar mirza itni gaand kion marwataaa tha mujh say,,, haha ab bol..:P haha sala teri ma ko mirza nay lun diya tha aur tu paida huwa tha ..haha gandu muumy dady bcha..bara araam say salaam kar raha hay cam par a kar,,,pehlay apni sis ko mana karo nude pics na past karay net par hahaha mirza ki gaand main mera lulla :P
QADYANI Tell us about GULAM AHMED QADAYNI who rob his father pension Rs 700 when he was young....and also tell us about MOHAMMDI BEGUM...why MIRZA GULAM wants to marry with her......QADYANI should read MIRZA urdu books....He claim in his book BRitish are supporting him...and they have OFFICE in ISRAEL....they have JEWISH support too
salam.mujhe yeh shakhs kisi bhi angle se ahmadi nahi lagta.ap agar peeche video main dekhainto pata chalta hai ke Mirza ghulam Ahmad sahib ke sath mirza Bashiruddin ki picture lagi hai,ab sochne ki baat yeh hai ke agar yeh banda ahmadi hota to isay itna pata hota ke dono ke middle main kiski pic aani thi.lo bhai chor khud hi pakda gaya.ha ha ha ha.aray pareshan mat ho.agli baar sahi picture lagana.
You will continue to come up with issue with the Jam'at unless you come to an understanding of the fundamental issue of death of Jesus and Katamul nabeeyeen. These two fundamental issues need to be discussed in order for any productive result to emerge from our conversation. What do you think?
yet you maintain no Ahmadis have a new law?? You don't need me to help you understand...you simply have your thoughts and ideas stuck in time and will not let them go. What can anyone say to that???
today the Jihad of the nafs (self) entails to be mindful that the worldly gains are temporary and that one must not care for these fleeting gains as well as one must give up all ills for the Jihad of the nafs. Today, to sacrifice one's life entails to sacrifice one's nafs; for one's Community and to eliminate egotism, while worldly desires remain incessant; one must commit 1/16th of one's income for the Community contribution (chanda)
Marzai are exploiting the islam,stop stop stop,after Muhammad S.A.W Islam is complet but Nauz billah Mirza come he told us that "I am Muhammad ul Sani"?Nauz billah?After that coming others too??Sham on you Marzaiyo,Allah ki lanat hu tum logo par.
This question of Nabi after Prophet (PBUH) was asked by Dr Zakir Naik and he refute that. But what Qaidiyaanis are saying is that Mirza Gulam Ahmed is Jesus (Alah Salaam) and Hazrat Mehdi which seems false. As the signs of End of days was given by Prophet (PBUH) in it was very clear that there should be two persons. and the whole muslims will be united among Hazrat Mehdi. People will make him Ameer even when he do not wish that. Nothing like this has happened.
AK Shaikh should be asked this question: Can you kindly show this "young boy" who posts your videos for you? This is a test of your integrity now. You must be able to defend yourself and absolve yourself of this slur..
From where is this 10% tax to the nazam has come. There is nothing like thing in quran and hadiths. Y r the ahmadies forced to do something that is not in Quran and Hadiths.
No I am not against ahmadies. I am their friend. I want to save them from hell fire. There is a hadiths in Muslim.
Abu Hurayrah said, "The Prophet said, "The Hour will not come ... until nearly 30 "dajjals" (liars) appear, each one claiming to be a messenger from Allah.'" (Bukhari Muslim.)
Mr. zaki, if you are really a true friend to your ahmadi classmate, then howcan you allow him to walk towards the hell fire. Tell him of this hadiths.
Please do same with Mr.A.K.Shaikh, who is lieing lieing lieing and lieing; is it Islam? Is prophet Muhammad (Peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) ever given such a teachings of lieing?
No he said that no one should Lie. And he also said that any one who says, that he is a prophet or a messanger born after him is a liar. Please donot follow the teaching of a liar.
No Ahmadi is forced to pay anything, rather is is recommended that we do...you're comment shows your limited knowledge of Islam and the history of Islam. Even during Prophet Muhammad's(saw) time during times of hardship he asked the Muslims to pay more than the alloted amount... Was that also wrong in your eyes??
There is a difference between Optional and Mendatory Charity. The percentage of Mendatory charity is given in the LAW of Muhammad (PBUH). If someone makes change in this value, that he/she is saying that he/she knows better than Law given to Muhammad (PBUH).
by your response I can tell you didn't understand my comment. As I stated, NO AHMADI IS OBLIGED to pay chanda, rather we do it out of self obedience and for a good cause. If you are truly interested in proving the jamaat chanda wrong first you MUST do your research then ask questions. Our Jamaat Chanda has helped build schools, hospitals and safe havens for people of poor countries like Africa. These chandas are used to build mosques around the world, EVERY SINGLE PENNY IS ACCOUNTED FOR.
Yet because you only have hate in your heart you refuse to see the good this chanda does for man kind. Google 'Humanity First' and then come back and talk to me about our Chanda. Read any major new paper in Ghanna, Nigeria on a regular basis and invariably it will talk about yet another way the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community is helping their countries...These are just 2 examples with many, many more out there...Why do you think Ahmadis are more organized then the rest of the muslims???
Ahmadis are spreading around the world faster than anyone could have imagined because we don't fuss and cry like you do about making EXTRA sacrifices, may they be monetary or physical or emotional...Ahmadis are moving forward and making the world a better place yet you sit there are complain and argue about bitter little issues.. it's time to wake you brother...It's time to see why Allah has blessed this community of Promised Missiah that originated in a small unknown town of Qadian has spread
The Jamaat has spread across the world yet you sit there and complain about chanda. The chanda that HAS and IS helping this world each and every day...Do you not see the point here??????
Chanda is No optional. I have seen people loose the membership of jammat, left alone by their friends and family when they decided no to give it. So no, chanda is not optional.
" the belief that all those so-called muslims who have not entered into his [hazrat mirza ghulam ahmad's] bai`at formally, wherever they may be, are kafirs and outside the pale of islam, even though they may not have heard the name of the promised messiah. that these beliefs have my full concurrence, i readily admit." a'inah-i sadaqat by mirza basheerudin mahmoud ahmad qadiani second harami khalifa of the qaadianis . love for all hatred for none is a bullshit slogan of them
lahoria007 2 years ago
listen LAHORIA007
i am sialkoti*786*
ok listen if you are Muslim then how can you abuse?
i cant understand man.
tum logon ke maulvi Masjadoon mein galiyan dete hain... ager tum samajhte ho keh galiyan dene se ham Ahmadiyyat chor den ge to tum ghalat ho.ham to jan qurban karne wale log hain.kia Hazrat Muhammad PBUH ke dor mein galiyoon se ya mar kar logon lo Mulims banaya gya tha. infact NO.
Hazoor ki ZUban Mubarak Shehad se ziada meethi thi. Hazoor ka dil saf or pak tha.
tahirAHMED521 2 years ago
can u deny what harami bashirudin said in aaina sadaqat ?
ahmadi444 2 years ago
Ahmadiyat Zindabad dil se kehti hu
missindia93 2 years ago
ahmadi ki bheen ki phudi main ne mari thi gashti bitch
FUCK MY COCK PLZ
metrocoolali 2 years ago
hey man can u tell me that are you muslim?
so man Muslims can not abused. so i come to only result that you are not Muslim.
o bhai Musalman gali nahi de sakte...
MISSINDIA93
Zindabad(by the way i m paki, and lives in germany)
Khuda hafiz
tahirAHMED521 2 years ago 5
And (Jesus) shall be a Sign (for the coming of) the Hour (of Judgment): therefore have no doubt about the (Hour), but follow ye Me: this is a Straight Way.
(The Holy Quran, Az-Zukhruf, 43:61)
END OF STORY, YOU BUNCH OF MUNAFIQS!
IF JESUS WAS DEAD, THEN WHY IS IT,MIRZA GHULAM CLAIMED TO BE THE SAME JESUS ?
ShaitanIZBack 2 years ago
ShaitanIZback: Your translation is"And (Jesus) shall be a Sign (for the coming of) the Hour (of Judgment): therefore have no doubt about the (Hour), but follow ye Me: this is a Straight Way." And the accurate translation is "But verily, he was a sign of the Hour. So have no doubt about it, but follow me. This is the right path."
I hope you did not purposely change the translation. Please be careful when quoting Qur'an as it is the word of Allah.
7naumankhan7 2 years ago 6
Can you tell me why mirza ahmed changed his mind 3 times about Esa (AS)'s burial place?
Did YALLASH not tell mirza the correct answer the first time?
asharpervez1000 2 years ago
Mirza Gulam Qadeyani was a fucking KIZAB,he was a LANTI,HE was murdud & Murtud,All the Qadeyanis who belive the Mirza Kizab they r Kafir & Murtud.He was not Imam Mehdi,yeh kesa Imam mehdi hey ju k kuch nahi kar saka islam k ley bulky Muslamano k nam par daba hey,or kabi Mahdi or kabi Mohammad s.a.w SAni "nauz billlh"apny aap ku kehlata hey?Mirza Qadeyani was a fucking Kizab our Shit mouth.Allah Es Mirza Qadeyani Fitna say hum sab ku mahfouz rakhy ,aamin
KizabMirza 2 years ago
Qadiyanism is Kuffer being spread in the Guise of Islam.... Mirza Ghulam was a proven liar!
Mirza Ghulam claimed,He had the power to give and take life, He had the power to make Heaven and Earth, He even thought he was God...On top of all the Prophets...Do You Qadiyanis Know what "Kuffer" is ???
Any Qadiyani care to prove me wrong ?
Qadiyanis need to start reading their own Messiah outrageous claims, To understand the Kuffer They are dwelling in....
ShaitanIZBack 2 years ago
this is all bullshit thats goin on...
we dnt need to worry abt the fobs, idiots..
every one is just sukin on ...
once the ISLAM is completed there is nothing that can brinng change.. into it..
and no one shld worry abt the prank , pig dick sukker qadiyani and his followers
tipubhai 3 years ago
jo chanda na de, jammat us ka boycaot nai karti? Esa A.S ki death k baray main Qoran ye kehta hai hai sleeb pe unka hum-shakal charhaya gya tha aur Allah ne unhain aasmano pe utha lia, kia aasman pe utha liay janay se unka martaba Allah ki most favorite Nabi SAWW se zyada ho gya? Martba tou ye hai k jo kaam Esa A.S na kr sakay (spreading Islam) wo Allah k aakhri NAbi SAWW ne kia "deen ki takmeel" sha86zad.. great job, salute2ur patience. Ahmadies scared to accept truth, mirza is a LIAR.
samrazulfiqar 3 years ago 2
"Muhammad is not the father of any man among you, but he is the messenger of Allah and THE SEAL OF PROPHETS; and Allah is aware of all things. Al Quran 33:40
I request Qadiyanis to please stop twisting Allah's clear words to prove mirza Qadiyani as a prophet.Seal of prophets clearly means there can not be any new prophets of any kind after our prophet Mohammed(saw).Please come to the real islam before its too late.
sha86zad 3 years ago
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there can not be any new prophets of any kind after our prophet Mohammed(saw)
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Hypocrit, How u believe in D coming of Esa (AS) after Mohonned SAWW"
JihadPenn 3 years ago
jahilpen: We believe in coming of Essa(as) because our prophet has told us to believe that. It is what all muslims believed until some british slave claimed that his the massiha so he can protect his master (british government) from muslims fighting jihad against them & the simple minded villagers fell for such a blatent lie. u are the child of them gullible ex muslims. Come back to the orignal islam again which your forefathers left for fake massiha!
sha86zad 3 years ago
If Prophet SAWW said so, by God Ahmadies will BD first to obey. Where he said so? NEVER!
Quran's 3-144 is categoric that The Prophets B4 Holy Prophet SAWW have passed away. Now R U Blasphamimg that nauzubilla Holy Prophet SAWW will say a dead prophet can reappear?
U R buying from Mullahs who r CHRISTIAN WARRIOR. They cannot show anything from Quran or Hadith that Esa (AS) is alive they blasphame that nauzubilla Esa (AS) is alive.
Trigger Ghairat-E-Rasool & shun this Christian doctrine,
JihadPenn 3 years ago
Jahilpen: I have showed u all the writings of mirza where he admits his faith & mission in life is only to please british governemnt but you chose to ignore it. Use your common sence please. Just think why would Allah have allowed jihad against enemies of Allah since time of our prophet (saw) & then just stop it for no reason even though there are still so many enemies killing muslims coz of their faith & the weak muslims are crying for help.Who will help them?
sha86zad 3 years ago
Yes HMGA (AS) thanked Brits 4D religious freedom & advised Muslims that Jihad is haram coz Brits gave us full religious freedom. Yes VR very proud of this teaching. This is also D teaching of Holy Propher SAWW & v follow very strigently.
As a result every country on earth respects Ahmadies 4 their patriotism.
UK USA r killing Muslims 2day. thats coz ur colloborating with them. Look Shaistani ar D cost of Sunnis he is hosting USA for 3 more years. Dadjal cannot harm Ahmadies. Come here!
JihadPenn 3 years ago
jahilpen: U are wrong! we can argue for eternity about this like we have been doing but the fact will not change that your religion is not the truth. I have tried my best to convey the truth to you but you just seem to ignore everything. You will see the truth one day only if Allah wills & i pray u do see the truth very soon.
sha86zad 3 years ago
Whats D problem prove from Quran or Hadith that Esa (AS) is alive. Ahmadiyat will crumble.
If u cant do that, then overcome prejudice, shun Mullahs & do due diligence on D claimant to Messiha - TRIGGER TAQWA
JihadPenn 3 years ago
jpen: I dont know if your just stubborn & dont want to believe but i swear if their was any truth in your religion i would not be denying it i would have accepted your so called massiha if he was true but the fact which I u can not see is he was not the true massiha. Mayb because you are brought up to believe in what you do that is why it is so hard for you to see the truth. I request you again for your own benefit that try & see the truth without the help of your leaders.
sha86zad 3 years ago
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i swear if their was any truth in your religion i would not be denying it
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Thats a great statemenmt it smells of TAQWA & Mohommed SAWW. So I tell u how 2 go about it. U have to start anew completely jettisoning D misinfi Mullahs have fed u.
Start anew. Study HMGA (AS) critically but without prejudice. On another channel I proved 2u that u had misinfo but u did not overcome your prejudice.
Islam cannot b an orphan. Firstly, put 2bed your prejudice, then do due diligence.
JihadPenn 3 years ago
jpen: Do u want me to die believing in a british slave as a prophet of Allah? No inshalah i will die as a muslim. Mirza admits he has declared jihad haraam to protect his master & he wants a good reward for it from them:
"I have filled shelves with books which I wrote in praise of the British, especially about the abrogation of Jihad in which many Muslims believe. This is a big service to the Government. So I hope for an appropriate and good reward."
(Tabligh-e-Risalat, Vol. 7, P. 19)
sha86zad 3 years ago
Allah Ho Khairul Makereen. Do u think God would have descended D Messiha (AS) of Islam under a Islamic Govt?
Just as God gave protection 2 Moses by D very hands of Firaun, God gave protection 2D Messiha (AS) of Islam by Brits.
JihadPenn 3 years ago
Read what Allah is saying in the following ayats carefully & for once leave what mirza has thought you to one side:
"And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)- Men, women, and children, whose cry is: "Our Lord! Rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will protect; and raise for us from thee one who will help"!
(The Holy Quran, An-Nisa, 4:75)
sha86zad 3 years ago
U would be flouting 4:75 if u fought D Brits. U were enjoying religious freedom. U were indebted 2 Brits 4 protecting u from Himdu & Sikh tyrany.
Sir Syed opined that Muslims of Indis will sink into oblivion if they fight Brits.
D Messiha (aS) has 2 tread a straight line. If u disagree with his decision, tough luck. He is not a politician 2 worry 4 your like or dislike. He decides & people of TAQWA obey.
D Disobedient strike a great loss 4 themselves.
JihadPenn 3 years ago
Again Allah orders us to fight the enemies of islam until there is no oppression from them so why u ignoring Allah's words?
"And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah; but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression."
(The Holy Quran, Al-Baqara, 2:193)
sha86zad 3 years ago
V fight enemies of Islam if they oppress us. Brits gave us religious freedom. It would have been haram to jihad.
2:193 tells us 2 fight. Never as aggressor, but as defender.
JihadPenn 3 years ago
Jahilpen: Brits were the enemies of muslims but obviously they will not harm you because you were created by them. Mirza ghulam was nothing but a britsh slave have i not proved that to you from his own words before so what is left in your religion (qadiayniat) anymore. Accept islam before u die beleieving in your fake prophet.
sha86zad 3 years ago
Overcome Mullahs influence & do due diligence on D Messiha (AS) of Islam. Study HMGA (AS) critically. Verify if he was Brit agent. But do that without prejudice & under zero influence of D enemy of D Messiha (AS) of Islam D MULLAH
Study how Moses dealt with Firaun. Also how Mohommed SAWW dealt with Christian Kings, then measure HMGA (AS) actions.
V reckon HMGA (AS) obeyed Holy Prophet SAWW to show his gratitute 2 Brits & Jihad aginst Brits would have been Haram.
JihadPenn 3 years ago
Please understand Allah's message before its too late:
"Those of the believers who sit still, other than those who have a (disabling) hurt, are not on an equality with those who strive in the way of Allah with their wealth and lives. Allah hath conferred on those who strive with their wealth and lives a rank above the sedentary. Unto each Allah hath promised good, but He hath bestowed on those who strive a great reward above the sedentary."
(The Holy Quran, An-Nisa, 4:95)
sha86zad 3 years ago
4:95 V challenge that none follow this ayat more than Ahmadies. The financial sacrifice vr doing is phenomenal & there is no worldly vested interest but 2D extent that v believe God returns back more, even in this world.
Ponder why v donate like crazy? The Messiha (AS) has blown life unto us & AlHamdolilla vr not dead. Other Muslims I am sorry, are dead.
JihadPenn 3 years ago
Jpen: U say that the dajaal (america) can not harm Ahmadies so thats ok with you & your happy with your massiha's work. But the massiha our prophet promised us was ment to make the whole world peacefull! Not be selfish & only make it peacefull for ahmadies.
Even what you say is not true! This world is not peaceful for anyone,not even Ahmadies bcoz the enemies of islam only look at all of us as muslims they dont know that your ahmadie,shia,sunni.
sha86zad 3 years ago
Messiha (AS) will make peace 4 those who obey God & Holy Prophet SAWW & accept D Messiha (AS) of Islam.
U have 2B nuts that God would protect one who does not accept his Prophet.
Quran confirms there will be disbeleivers always. Nothing can overwrite Quran
Appreciate why Holy Prophet SAWW called Mullahs worst creature under the sky. They are spreading misinfo against The Messiha (AS) including blasphemy that nauzubilla Esa (AS) is alive. How this occult? & no proof from Quran
JihadPenn 3 years ago
Jahilpen lets read the hadith of our prophet(saw) shall we & see who is the true promised massiha!
1. The Promised Messiah shall be the son of Mary and none else.
Ghulam Ahmad Qadiyani was not the son of Mary but son of an Indian lady whose name was not Mary but it was Chiragh Bibi. Just to fit himself into the prophesy he concocted the story that he himself was Mary, became pregnant, delivered himself and so on. He wrote, "I was made Mary. I remained Mary for two years. (continued)
sha86zad 3 years ago
1-HMGA (AS) never said that he is nauzubiulla same Esa (AS). The words ur making mockery are metaphor which simply means God prearing him 4 Messiha of Islam. HMGA (AS) categiorically declared Esa (AS) dead.
HMGA (AS) had a beautiful weiting. VR proud of his writing. When u mock v helplessly watch your boot on D other foot
JihadPenn 3 years ago
(continued)mirza carries on.. "Then the soul of Jesus was blown into me as it was blown inside Mary. Thus I conceived metaphorically. After some months, not exceeding ten, I changed from Mary and was made Jesus. In this manner, I became 'son of Mary'". Another time Ghulam Qadiyani wrote "I saw myself as if I am a woman and Allah expressed in me His reproductive power of manliness."
I ask you does these sayings of your massiha sound like a person who is in his senses? No doubt he sounds insane!
sha86zad 3 years ago
2. The Promised Messiah "shall descend amidst you".
Ghulam Qadiyani himself wrote: "It occurs in Hadith that the Messiah shall descend from the sky and will be (clad) in two yellow sheets". Ghulam Qadiyani did not descend from anywhere but appointed himself. He was born of Chiragh Bibi.
sha86zad 3 years ago
2-Every Mullah knows descent doesn't nauzubilla mean physical descent, but maliciously D sealed heart Mullahs misguide ummat.
Quran says NAZOOL 4 Holy Prophet SAWW & Nazool is whatever way Holy Propher SAWW Nazooled.
Take care Sha86, I am writing under D impression u r reading without prejudice & 4 due diligence. If u believe that descent is nauzubilla physical, then u r self deceiting D due diligence.
Do TAQWA, throw it thru D window that nauzubilla human being will physically descend
JihadPenn 3 years ago
3.The Promised Messiah shall descend on the white minaret of a mosque in the eastern part of Damascus. He did two things to fit himself into this part of the prophesy. (a) He claimed that the village of Qadiyan was like Damascus and he tried to fabricate similarities between Damascus and Qadiyan. (b) He built a mosque with a minaret in Qadiyan and painted it white. He called the minaret "Minaret of the Messiah". However he could not show people that he was descending from heaven on the minaret.
sha86zad 3 years ago
3-Refer comments item 2, Mazool never means physical descend.
a-Qadian is 2D East of Damascus, as prophecised
b-HMGA (AS) never believed in fairy rale that a human being will physically descend. Your assumptions r om a false premisde.
Every Mullah knows that Jews do not accept Jesus coz they r waiting firstly 4 Elaija Ilyas (AS) 2 descend from sky. Jesus told jews Johm D Baptist is Elaija & no one comes from D sky.
In your due deligence study this importantly.
JihadPenn 3 years ago
Had there been helicopters in those days your mirza perhaps would have borrowed one from the British to show himself descending on the minaret from a helicopter. jpen doesn't it sound like your massiha had some brain problems? As i showed u with proof befr that your great massiha could not tell the diffrence between his right & left shoe so how could you accept such a person to be the promised massiha? He himself admits in his writngs that he has got a brain problem.
sha86zad 3 years ago
4.The true Messiah shall descend while clad in two yellow sheets.Mirza said that two yellow sheets meant two diseases.He said that he was suffering from polyuria & giddiness of head.He boasted that he urinated 100 times a day.He also contradicted himself while saying "It is possible that anther Messiah may descend whom befit the qualities mentioned in the Hadith manifestly". Finally he told the truth when he wrote "two self-contradictory sayings can only come from a madman or from a hypocrite"
sha86zad 3 years ago
4-Refer #2 Nazool never means nauzubilla physical descend
Obviously no one is physically descending so the sheets hace 2B inrterpreted, metaphorically
JihadPenn 3 years ago
5. The Promised Messiah shall break the cross. This prophesy was interpreted to mean that all Christians shall convert to Islam and Christianity as a separate religion shall cease to exist.Mirza himself wrote "The purpose of descent of Messiah is that the theory of Trinity will be completely obliterated..." It is obvious that Christians have multiplied manyfold during the last century. (continued..)
sha86zad 3 years ago
The cross was gloriously broken D Moment HMGA (AS) declared Jesus dead. UR nuts if u believe contrary 2 La Ikrah fid deen, that Esa (AS) will snatch cross from peoples neck.
Quran certiofies that Fauj der Dauj will come into Islam. Quran accepts that there will always be disbelieve.
Islam is 4 all mankind but minority in each continent. None of our business. It's God's Islam, if he wished wouldn't have been so.
Whats important is HMGA (AS0 has geared us 2 defeat Chris comprehensively
JihadPenn 3 years ago
(no.5 Continued) Even in the District of Gordaspur the Christian population increased eight-fold between the time of Qadiyani's claim of Messiahship and his death. Ghulam Qadiyani said to emphasize his mission of obliterating Christianity from the earth "If I do not do for the protection of Islam what is attributed to the Promised Messiah and I die bear witness that I am a liar."
Well! Time has given the proof of what he was so why then you still not choose to except him as your massiha?
sha86zad 3 years ago
6. The Promised Messiah shall kill the pig. This prophesy was interpreted that the eating of pig products shall cease to exist. Obviously, this prophesy was not fulfilled.
7. The Promised Messiah shall be a just ruler. A just ruler is not a subject of any people or government. Firstly Ghulam Qadiyani was a subject of the British throne not a ruler. He boasted "Till his death, my father remained a sincere servant of the English Government". (continued)...
sha86zad 3 years ago
6-He killed khislat e Pig. Ahmadies do not have pig in them. Sorry I have 2B blunt. Pigs though vegetarian eat their piglet when it dies. U love your Prophet SAWW but u accept Esa (AS) alive without any substantiation from Quran or Hadith. It's khislat e pig that u eliviate Esa (AS) to heaven & bury D Prophet SAWW, u love.
Trust me it is Khislat Pig, having No ghairat 4 your own Prophet.
JihadPenn 3 years ago
(no.7 continued) About himself mirza boasted "I rose to the service of the English Government with my hand and pen ... I have promised to God that I shall not write a book except that I shall mention in it the favours of the Imperial Government".
Secondly he was accused by his own followers to be an embezzler of funds of his community. He was not even a just leader of his small community.
sha86zad 3 years ago
7-All Prophets r rulers? where did u get this from? Yousuf (AS) was reporting 2 king wasn't he? were Moses & Jesus rulers?
As part of your due deligence pls verify if HMGA (AS) embezelled. Check it out. U must have heard it from Mullahs. Let me assure u that God has his grace 4 his Prophets they r of impecable character.
JihadPenn 3 years ago
8.The Promised Messiah shall bring all humanity under one religion, Islam before his death. Ghulam Qadiyani himself agreed "... during the period of the Promised Messiah the false religious communities will perish." He further clarified at another place "... lies will completely vanish and all religious communities except Islam will be destroyed." A century has passed since Qadiyani's claim of Messiahship yet the Muslims of the world remain 20 to 25 percent of the world population. (continued)
sha86zad 3 years ago
(no.8 continued) If Qadiyani population only is considered (because mirza taught you that you are the only Muslims in the world) you are under 0.02% of the world population. So again i ask you what good was your fake massiha who did'nt manage to convince even the muslims of his time that he is the true massiha. If there was abit of truth in his claim then all the muslims knowing evrything our prophet told us about the true massiha would have excepted him.
sha86zad 3 years ago
8-v discussed earlier. Such utopia is against Quran.
D Messiha (AS) arguments r extremly authentic. Just look ur deceiting your commonsence & believing without any substantiation that nauzubilla old Jesus is alive.
To refuse D Messiha u r standing on a platform that has no legs. 4 God sake how can u believe in Esa (AS) alive? Such a massive occult & zero substantiation? Once Esa (AS) u accept dead becomes easy 2 accept HMGA (AS)
MULLAHS HAVE DONE GREAT DISSERVICE 2 ISLAM
JihadPenn 3 years ago
9. The Promised Messiah shall kill the Dajjal the Deceiver at the gate of Ludd or Lydda. Frequently Dajjal is translated as "Anti-Christ" which may not be true. In fact in Islam there is no concept of Anti-Christ associated with a person. Mirza himself wrote "Then Messiah son of Mary shall move out in search of the Dajjal; he will overtake him at the gate of a town among the towns of Bait Al-Muqaddas (Jerusalem) known as Ludd and kill him." (continued....)
sha86zad 3 years ago
no.9 continued) As we know that no such person having attributes of the Dajjal has appeared yet. Naturally Mirza did not kill any Dajjal he was never accused of killing any person nor he visited Ludd or Lydda. So why then do u still carry on believing in him as the massiha when he did not even do him main duty of killing the dajjal?
sha86zad 3 years ago
Dadjal will carry mountain of bread & give only 2 those who qagree with him
Dadjal's donkey will eat fire. It will carry people in its belly
It will be blind from D right eye, where right means sprituality & left D world.
V Ahmadies certify that HMGA (AS) has killed Dadjal. V have no threat
Holy Prophet SAWW says that those 2 hands have not been made that can fight Dadjal.
Simple treatment do not colloborate. Had u done that in Iraq, Dadjal would have left with wooden spoons.
JihadPenn 3 years ago
10. Allah will generate so much wealth under the rule of the Promised Messiah that no beggar and no poverty will be left in the world.
It is no secret that there is poverty and hunger all over the world including in the most prosperous First World of the West. Mirza himself was a beggar; he wrote "It is necessary for everyone of my followers to remit to me monthly sum of his money." (continued..)
sha86zad 3 years ago
(no.10 continued) Mirza's brother-in-law Mirza Sher Ali used to say "Ghulam Ahmad is indeed a liar and a looter; he has opened this shop to grab money from people".
Mirza was indeed a big lier & no different from other people that falsely claimed to be the promised massiha like Hussain Ali
Bahaullah, Dr. Alexander Dowie, etc.
sha86zad 3 years ago
D Hadith says Esa (AS) will distribute wealth no one will accept. It is wealth of sprituality. HMGA (AS) is talking sence but u wont budge from nonsence of Esa (AS) nauzubilla alive.
Do not shortchange D great words of Holy Prophet SAWW
As due diligence, Pls verify further Mitza Sher Ali's accuzation.
JihadPenn 3 years ago
11. The Promised Messiah will establish peace on earth. The lion will graze about with a camel, the leopard with a cow, the wolf with a sheep, Children will play with snakes who will not harm them. Ghulam Qadiyani lived for almost seventeen years after the claim of his Messiahship but he did not establish peace on earth. In fact, two world wars took place and hundreds of small wars have taken lives of millions of people since the death of Mirza.
sha86zad 3 years ago
(no.11 continued) There has been inestimable damage to the environment during periods of "peace" and also due to wars. Lions continue to eat their favorite animals and snakes continue to bite people. So tell me where is the peace on earth which our prophet promised us would be all over the world. The world is alot worser than how it was before, more wars, more hate, more blood shed, more fitnas.
sha86zad 3 years ago
11-People who accepted D Messiha (AS) of Islam r in Noah's ark. U R witness. God is always protecting us. U supprres us in Pakistan God bless us with migration 2 West. Honestly I cannot think of one instance where your aggression, God has not churned into goodness 4 us.
This is the sign of God's Jamaat. When u do due diligence, I trust u will verify this.
Arrows Mullahs have thrown u have found bomeranged into their chest.
No Sir v do not believe lions will survive without eating flesh
JihadPenn 3 years ago
12. The Promised Messiah shall perform Hajj or Umra or both. Mirza was so scared of dying that he did not perform Hajj or Umra despite his claim about himself "And God will protect you from people".
13. The Promised Messiah shall remain on earth for forty-five years before dying. About mirza his son Bashir Ahmad wrote "His Holiness announced that he had been commissioned for the reformation of this Ummah in the year 1882. In the year 1889 he announced that he is the revivalist (mujaddid).
sha86zad 3 years ago
12-D Mesiha (AS) of Islam will obey God & His Prophet SAWW. He deprived himself D ecstacy of Hajj coz the passage was not safe 4 him. Can a Muslim proceed on Hajj id passage is unsafe?
13- I will revert when I have any knowledge of this, meanwhile u do due diligence
JihadPenn 3 years ago
(no.13 continued) He remained steadfast on this until in 1891 he announced that he is "the Promised Messiah". From the time of his birth in 1839-40 he lived for 68-69 years dying in 1908. The time of his claim to be a reformer was 26 years, the time of his claim to be a mujaddid was 19 years and the time of his claim to Messiahship was 17 years until his death. When is one supposed to begin counting to make 45 years of Messiahship?
sha86zad 3 years ago
14. Ghulam Qadiyani agreed with a Hadith, "Indeed the Prophet of God said that the Messiah will be buried in my grave". Ghulam Qadiyani did not even visit the grave of the Prophet(saw). He died in Lahore his body was carried to Qadiyan where he was buried.
sha86zad 3 years ago
Buried in my grave nauzubilla? Who mother's son will dig Holy Prophet's grave, nauzubilla?
This Hadith is a metaphor emphasizing u to respect & honor D Messiha (AS) of Islam.
Recite TAUBA at what ur doing.
JihadPenn 3 years ago
Your fake massiha did not meet even one of the prophesies mentioned here but u still except us to believe he was true.Only ignorant people like you can live in so much darkness! These 14 points mentioned in prophesies of the Prophet Muhammad(saw) regarding the Promised Messiah and their analysis in the light of Ghulam Ahmad Qadiyani show that the claimant of Messiahship was a liar and an imposter. The Promised Messiah Jesus is yet to descend and he will at the time appointed by Allah Himself.
sha86zad 3 years ago
Look at Islam today. Do u believe God will leave Islam unattended? Be possesive of Islam & as natural flow u will InshaAllah end up in Glorious Islam in todays tarnished era. 'AMEN'
If u want 2B in Glorious Islam D Islam of Pride & solace, COME HITHER! There is just this one place which u can win only by shunning Evil Mullahs & obeying God & Holy Prophet SAWW by accepting D Messiha (AS) of Islam
JihadPenn 3 years ago
Jpen: U say that ahmadies are safe becoz most Ahmadies live in non muslim countries but just say if america or any other enemy of islam was to attact a muslim country & their were alot of ahmadies living their who die from the attacks. What whould you say then? To b honest i feel u are being selfish, u dont care about thousands of muslims dieing everyday bcoz they are not ahmadies!!
sha86zad 3 years ago
Noah 9AS) implored every one 2 get into his boat. People like u jush mocked.
Was it selfish od D believers to stayon in the boat?
We r in Kashti e Noah, V implore u to get on board. 4a chamge instead of mocking listen!
JihadPenn 3 years ago
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alot of ahmadies living their who die from the attacks
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Ahmsdies have obeyed God & Holy Prophet SAWW. as per devine law Ahmadies will be protected from azaab. However if in an incident Ahmadies Khuda na Khoasta r killed we will subnit 2D will of Gos.
Whats important is not 2 die coz of disobedience & ALHamdolilla v do not have this guilt
JihadPenn 3 years ago
jpen: Your massiha use2 say that he will not fight any enemies of islam like our prophet told us he will but he will do jihad with pen but even with pen he did'nt manage to do alot.He did'nt manage to convince anyone except a small group of simple minded muslims that he was the massiha & no non muslims accepted islam from his hands.
Read our prophet's hadith & see what your massiha done from the things our prophet promised us he will do. U will find he did not even do 1 thing he was ment 2
sha86zad 3 years ago
D Messiha has no power 2 decide on his own. He follows Holy Propher SAWW. It is Holy Prophet SAWW not D Messiha that said Esa Masih will put an end to war
JihadPenn 3 years ago
O jahil do u only read what mirza has written! Have u not read the hadith of our prophet (saw) where he cleary tells us wars will end & this whole world will be peacefull like heavens after the time of promised massiha 'THE SON OF MARY'. Only then there will be no jihad as there will be no enemies of islam everyone whould have excepted islam so obviously that would put an end to war. Read our prophet's hadith carefully & u will understand if Allah wills.
sha86zad 3 years ago
V should battle in D Islamic spirit. Battle 4 truth without loss of any well-wishing 4D opponent.
May God have mercy on u. will u accept Eid Mubarak from your certified infidel friend who remains a Proud Muslim. If so Pls accept hearty Eid Mubarak.
If u dont, my apologies 4D tresspass
JihadPenn 3 years ago
jpen: I totally agree with u for once. pls do forgive me for using any words that hurt you brother. I understand everyone has their own beliefs & i dont hate you for that. My only intention is to try & make u see the truth. I pray Allah does show both of us the straight path soon. And Jazakalah kher for wishing me Eid Mubarak. I guess yours was ystrday aswel like mine. Hope u enjoyd it. EID MUBARAK.
sha86zad 3 years ago
Eid in Pakistan is today. Sha86, JazakAllah 4 your kind comments. I pray Mullahs get off your sleeve so that it becomes easy 4u2CD truth.
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I pray Allah does show both of us the straight path soon.
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Well said. 'amen'
JihadPenn 3 years ago
Jpen: sorry i forgot your in pakistan.I have relatives there so i knew eid there is today. Because its your eid i will not debate with u today..lol. but Will carry on tommorow again if u dont mind.
sha86zad 3 years ago
In a debate let our swords be bloody but our hearts clean. Let TAQWA rule
Tomorrow u prove from Quran or Sunnah that Esa (AS) nauzubilla is alive
Was Salam
JihadPenn 3 years ago
Jpen:What did your massiha do for muslims that are being oppressed by the enemies of islam & their crying for help? Have u bothered to read our prophet's hadith where he assures us that the true massiha will make this world so peacefull that it will be like heavens & there will be no more enemies of islam so jihad will obviously finish then. How can what you believe make sence to u! I request you to pls think if your massiha was true why did'nt he help anyone that was begging for his help?
sha86zad 3 years ago
What did Holy Prophet SAWW do 4 Non-Muslims? NOTHING! unless they come to Islam.
What did HMGA (AS) do 4 Muslims who do not accept him? NOTHING. They r being genocided by Dadjal. Their morality has so stooped that they r proud of their terrorism decadent tarnished Islam & do not reckon that God cannot leave islam as an orphan unattended religion.
Muslims who r possesive of Islam & need protection Of God have to come to D Messiha (AS) of Islam. Ahmadies rin peace precisely as prophecised.
JihadPenn 3 years ago
Jpen i have showed you the ayats from the quran before which prove hazrath essa (as) is still alive.But u take the meaning of them different to us.There are hundreds of hadiths saying the son of mary hazrath essa(as) will come back again as the promised massiha himself so it proves he is still alive.I have showed you them hadiths aswel hundred times but u say they were for mirza not the son of mary jesus. But your massiha mirza did not make this world as it was promised by our prophet!
sha86zad 3 years ago
jpen after showing you clear sayings of our prophet where he says the son of mary hazrath essa(as) will come back nearer to qiyamat but u ignoring them clear quotes & claiming they mean something else i will not go round the same circle again. Instead we will talk about your mirza's prophecies if u dnt mind because he himself has said:
"To Judge my truthfulness or lies, there is no better test than my prophecies."
(Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 19, P. 288)
sha86zad 3 years ago 2
jpen: Mirza claimed alot of prophecies in his lifetime which proved to be totally false the second he died becasue he claimed those prophecies would come true in his lifetime but Allah proved mirza a big liar making him die a sudden death from cholera.
From hundreds of his false prophecies I will only remind you of some of them & pls tell me why did they not come true, even though mirza claimed what ever he says is from Allah so did Allah lie to mirza? (astagfirullah)
sha86zad 3 years ago 2
These are a few of mirza's false prophecies. If u need refrences for any of these prophecies i will be happy to provide you. Because of the space limit i will only name the prophecies briefly here:
-His prophecy that he (mirza) will live to be 80 or more years old;
(He died when he was only 68 year old.)
-His prophecy that he would marry Muhammadi Begum, before his death;
(He never did marry Muhammadi Begum.)
sha86zad 3 years ago
I answered re. Mvi Sanaullah. & I am very happy with the comprehensive responce. Hope yout TAQWA triggers & u accept that there was no prophecy as such & D plight of Mvi Sanaullah is indeed eman afroze
Today I messaged you re. age 80. |D prophecy was not exact 80 but +- 80. V have proved he lived to the age 76 as per Islamic calended.
JihadPenn 3 years ago
Jpen sorry to disappoint u but after reading your messages its clear your jamaat has tried there level best to hide the truth from you all. Regarding Mirza's prayer for the liar's death FIRST, from him & Molvi Sanaullah i have proved allready on the other video what actually happened & it proves from the eye witnesses present besides Mirza's death bed that Mirza died the liar's death from cholera. Molvi Sanaullah did not die the death Mirza asked for the liar so what does that prove?
sha86zad 3 years ago
I warn u not to lie. u cannot make unsubstantiated claim without God's wrath.
Know this:
HMGA (AS) did not die of cholera. There is no recorded cholera death in April May 1908.
There was no agreement that liar will die in the life of the true. No agreement coz Mvi Sanaullah did not accept D offer.
U r much younger 2 my eldest son. I like u I am fond of u. At times I c glimmer of TAQWA in u, It pains me 2C u dishonestly pursuing littany. Pursue honesty.
Run away from Mullahs
JihadPenn 3 years ago
You say because Sanaullah said the liar has long life thats the reason Mirza died first & Sanaullah lived long life. Pls use some common sense & tell me if Mirza was really a prophet would Allah disregard his long & distressed dua begging for the liars death first & from cholera? And accept the words of an enemy of Mirza? Pls use your brain Allah has blessed u with & jst think why would Allah use his prophet's own words to prove him a liar? Ur jamaat is full of excuses to cover up MIrza's lies!
sha86zad 3 years ago
Dprayer of a Prophet is generally heard. But not 100%. The prayer u r ranting about is not even in Question, coz of new scenarios.
The new scenario was that after 10 yrs Mvi Sanaullah seeing HMGA (AS) nearing death accepted the challenge that liar will die first. To his surprise HMGA (AS) willingly accepted the offer with condition that u write a note of acceptance. Mvi Sanaullah chickened & the note he wrote was refutal.
This was the new scenario. U cant thrust old obsolete agreement.
JihadPenn 3 years ago
Again jpen read what Mirza exactly wrote at the end of the prayer!! He only requested Sanaullah to publish it with a note. No where did he say note of acceptence or anything your saying. His clearly said the decision is now upto Allah.
You still did not explain the fact that why Mirza claimed after 10days of the prayer that his prayer has been accepted by Allah? Was that a lie?
sha86zad 3 years ago
After reading these words of Mirza how can u still say the prayer was not accepted or that it was cancelled?? Read it carefully Mirza said whatever he said about Sanaullah is not from him, its all from Allah!!
"All that has been said about Sanahullah is not from ourselves but is from God, as it was revealed to me on the night of the prayer that 'I respond to the call of the caller'. The meaning of this revelation is that my call has been accepted."
(Badr, April 25, 1907)
sha86zad 3 years ago
Yes he responded & the responce is D will of God.
What wasa Mvi. Sanaullah's responce? Thats the sign of God.
Dont u c it?
JihadPenn 3 years ago
As you said yourself that the prayer of Mirza for the liar's death was NOT a mubahila but was just a prayer in which he left the decision upto Allah. Read Mirza's prayer again & he has said himself that the prayer is not a prophecie or anything like that but is just a PRAYER in which he leaves the decision upto Allah. After 10days Mirza wrote again that Allah has revealed to him that his prayer regarding Sanaullah has been accepted so how do you explain that??????
sha86zad 3 years ago
Do you know offer & acceptance?
Read the full article comprehensively. It's most inspiring that HMGA (AS) was nearing death, He already had revealations to that affect, Mvi Sanaullah was 33 yrs younger. Yet he offered MS that the liar will die first. Accept it by publishing in your paper with your note. His note was refutal & nonacceptance.
The offer did not get acceptance. What contract r u selling? Have u no TAQWA, whatsoever?
This incidence is most inspiring. But u ned TAQWA!
JihadPenn 3 years ago
No jpen Mirza did not mention anywhere that Sanaullah had to accept the prayer for it to be accepted, all he said was that he requests Sanaullah to publish it in his paper & write what ever he wishes:
"In the end, I expect from Ustad Sanahullah that he should publish this text in his magazine and write whatever note he likes on it. The verdict is now in the hand of Allah. The writer, Allah's servant, Ghulam Ahmad, the Promised Messiah, may God protect him and help him."(Badr, April 15, 1907)
sha86zad 3 years ago
My dear friend, when u offer mubahila to someone then the other person have to put the conditions before mubahila and then Allah decides about the decision regarding to the conditions of both so Molvi sahib clearly mentioned those words that liar lives and truthful dies and he gave an example of muslima kazzab that he lived. There are references from the writings of ahle-e-hadith paper and thats not we ahmadies wrote.
maliksohaib 3 years ago
Brother sohaib how r u?
I agree with u for a mubahila both parties have to accept but the way of doing mubahila which we learn from our prophet Mohammed(saw) is that both parties come out face to face & then they both ask Allah for the liars death. What Mirza done was just a prayer in which he turned to Allah for a final decision against the liar. He made 2 things very clear in his long prayer that who ever is a liar will die first & with a disease such as cholera. Both go against Mirza.
sha86zad 3 years ago
Sha86, pls ensure u do not turn up asfter a month & say v did a runner.
Once bitten twice shy, I am monitoring. As adnitted I do not have sufficient knowledge on this score. I npw note that mallikshoasib has put forward a valid point. Pls respond or delete this from your list of unfulfilled Prophecy.
V then move to d next.
By copy 2 maliksohaib, pls remain vigilant, here - JazakAllah
JihadPenn 3 years ago
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sha86zad 3 years ago
Mirza's prophecy about him living until age 80: Again jpen your jamaat has tried to confuse u by twisting Mirza's birthday to another date & hence tried to prove he did live until age 76. It just shows how much excuses your leaders can come up with to hide the truth from people. Such a simple issue regarding Mirza's life span they have made in to a long twisted story. I can understand if they did'nt make these stories up then people might start realizing the truth which they never want!
sha86zad 3 years ago
-The claim (and Mubahala challenge) that Moulvi Sanaullah of Amristar his arch opponent who had openly called him a liar and an impostor, will die before him;
("The liar will die first" - Mirza died first!)
-His prophecy that Dr. Abdul Hakim, one of his opponents who had called him a liar during an open debate, will die within Mirza's life time;
(mirza said "The liar will die first". But he himself died first!)
sha86zad 3 years ago
- The prophecy (and Mubahala challenge) that Mr. Abdullah Atham, a Christian who had debated with Mirza Ghulam and put him to shame will die before him;
(Mirza had said: "the liar will die first" - Yet, Mirza died first!)
- His revelation that Allah(swt) will bestow upon him a great new son, a sign of Allah's presence and proof of his prophethood;
(Mirza died without having another son.)
sha86zad 3 years ago
- His prophecy that he (mirza) will marry a widow, before his death;
(After the prophecy, he did not marry anyone else.)
- His prophecy that he will die in Mekkah or Medina.
(Mirza died in the city of Lahore, he never even saw Mekkah or Medina.)
After u know that all these propehcies proved mirza a liar why are you still choosing to live in the dark?
sha86zad 3 years ago
jpen pls tell me does not all those mubahalas mirza done with his opponents prove him a big liar? where he promised everyone that his opponents will die an ugly death before him but he himself died the death he said the liar will die. What have u got to say about all them false propehcies of your prophet mirza? Do u think Allah gave wrong information to his massiha/prophet?
No the truth is crystal clear for people of taqwa & anyone that has even abit of brains.
sha86zad 3 years ago
Jpen: lets see what your prophet told us to do if any one of his prophecie is proven to be wrong.I have proved his 9 prophecies totally wrong already so are you gona listen to what your massiha is telling you to do below or just carry on ignoring?
"If what I have said does not happen exactly I am prepared for every punishment. my face should be blackened and I should be hanged. I swear by the mighty Allah that what I have said will happen. It must happen. (continued)
sha86zad 3 years ago
(Mirza's lies continued) It is possible that the earth may be changed for another earth and the sky may be replaced by another sky, but it is not possible for God's word to change -- prepare for me a cross if my falsehood is exposed and curse me more than the Satans and the evil persons are cursed."
(Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 6, P. 293; Jang-i-Maqaddas, P. 188)
I sincerely advise you to listen to what mirza is saying above & curse him as that is what he deserves for making million lies up!
sha86zad 3 years ago
jpen I am still waiting for your reply on this very important matter regarding the truthfulness of your beloved prophet mirza! All these lies of mirza prove him a big lier but u still choosing to ignore this very clear sign from allah, can i ask why?
If u have failed to get satisfactory answrs from your leaders abt all these questions i raised then i invite you to come to the true islam where you will find an answer to your every question! Jpen pls accept the truth befr its too late.
sha86zad 3 years ago
shehzad great yr keep it up.
tuck3373 3 years ago
Thanks 4 mewssaging list of Prophecies u reckon r unfulfilled. I messaged back re. Mvi Sanaullah very comprehensive details whereby Mvi. Sanaullah not only refuses Mubahila offered by HMGA (AS) at 67 & ill health & Mvi. 33 yrs younger.
Mvi Sanaullah writes Musallma Kazzab lived on after Mohommed SAWW's death & his dying earlier will serve nothing.
This statement by Mvi. Sanaullah obsoleted everything prior. Imp. is u look with TAQWA at what a miserable end God gave him. ur comment pls
JihadPenn 3 years ago
tipubhai. why u swearing brother?if u preach, then preach with beautiful words, not swearing.ask people to the right path, but at least try to be on it yourself
milkbiscuit 3 years ago
you just fukk urself man .. u fuckin bloodsukker ,,
u still follow the prank ghulam ahmed..
what a fukin blackhole he was sucked many muslims into it..
only thing from me to u..
this age is not a age of esa , all of the signs and predictions are not fullfilled yet
the medhi Ah has to b burried in the rest place of the shrine of Khizra, not in indian shit pot Qadiyan
Keep bullshiting urself , man , live in a lie for ur whole fuckking life.
tipubhai 3 years ago
Truth cannot b got with nonchallence. Firstly make your tomgue Muslim. Then avoid D evil Co. of Mullahs. This will enable u 2 study D claimant 2D Messiha (AS) of Islam with TAQWA & due diligence.
D Hadith says Esa (AS) will b buried in my grave. Dont buy Mullah's spin & littany. Who mother's son is going 2 nauzubilla dig Holy Prophet SAWW's grave? This Hadith is a metaphor emphasising D Messiha (AS) of Islam & look how ur disobeying God & Holy Prophet & mocking D Messiha (AS) of Islam
JihadPenn 3 years ago
I request all muslims that Imam Mehdi A.S. is 'the 12th Imam of Shias' and Imamat is in 'Shias' only since 1400yrs and all of there Imams are 'Direct Decendents of Hazrat Muhammad S.A.W.A.W'. 'The first Imam of shia's is Hazrat Ali a.s',2nd Imam is Hazrat Imam Hassan a.s.,3rd Imam is Hazrat Imam Hussain a.s n 12th will be Hazrat Imam Mehdi a.s.This is the reason when we recite Drood we include The Family of Hazrat Muhammad S.A.W.W.(there is no concept of Imam in any other sect of Islam at all).
ASIFMUMTAZM 3 years ago
ek sawal ka jawab dhu?keya mirza sani bi maloud hu sakta hey?mirza was not even a Dog becuse dog is loyle with his owner.
brussalian 3 years ago
of course this is the state of non-Ahmadi badboodar mullahs now., the whole world looks with utter shock and horror the primitive barbaric "achievements" ..latest in Islamabad..of these ghaleez creatures and look what they are busy doing....pronouncing others as non-Muslims and becomeing judges of Islam! yah world News is right - u are terrorists and the bane of this world - and denizens of Hell too - killers of innocent and priests of hatred....jaahil ghaleez cave-dwelling illiterate junglio.
uzzietruth 3 years ago
Ahmadiyya ZINDABAD !!!!!!!!!!!!
humanity777 3 years ago 3
you all MURDABAD, soon Inshallah
Bondguy777 3 years ago
iss video wale ki shakal dekho
namrood ki aulad
janisar87 3 years ago
jazakalah brother for uploading this video...
may..
Even If The Whole World Was To Unite They Could Not Destroy Ahmadiyyat..
nabftak 3 years ago
teri ma kay phooday main mirza ka lun :P haha mara bhi tatti kartay huwa tha haha...salaa gadnu :P haha dunia say bond marwa kar mar gya tatti k waqt haha
osanama11 3 years ago
I BET you, your so called claming Mulsim will soon vanished. I knew so many ex-qadianis who now mashallah converted to sunni muslim after realizing the foolish and ill-logic beliefs of you people. And the conversion goes on and on, Inshallah
Bondguy777 3 years ago
fat bastrd insrt ur ghulams pic in ur fat ass..thn u wil knw it hw dose he felt
wlidkiller 3 years ago
mirza might tell good stuff about islam he just had a knowldege of islam.. tahats it but doesnt mean he is prophet of masseha.. in world today there are many gr8 scohlar had more knowldege then mirza.. but they never claim they are prohpet..comeon wakeup ahmediyasssssss
anywayssss we have to speak truth.
janisar87 3 years ago
kute ki dum sale sunni we never said hes a prophet u fuking pussio
go suk ur mums cock
kinghr1710 3 years ago
ok then explain what is who is mirza.??
janisar87 3 years ago
" Ager Mirza hota Khuda ka Peghamber, to tatti mein girr k youn marta na kanjer " (hehe)
power3brothers 3 years ago
so you saw it that he died in tatti? you were, you cleaned his tatti after that, because you were the promised tatti cleaner of the Mahdi, right!?
Priszona 3 years ago
haha well said :P mirza moya tatti kahana haha
osanama11 3 years ago
yaa mirza tou mara bhi bathroom main tha...!! maa ka lora....!! ak shieikh tu haraam ki ulaad ho...aur mirza mera lun choosta tha...!!
mirza di pain nu lun....!! he was asshole harai,,,!! sab ahmdiya ki gaand main sur ka lora....!! ma k loray...!! mirza ki bond vich musrraf ka lun...!! asshole
osanama11 3 years ago
maa ke lorre, tu us waqat haazir taa jab Mirza Sahib toilet meyn marra thaa!? Tuune deka thaa?
Priszona 3 years ago
haha...haan coz us say pehlay main nay us ki gaand maari thi and ur sis gave me blow job...haha...kutay..!! peechay meri pic kion lagai hui hay...!! buhat pasand hay mera lora...btw yaar mirza itni gaand kion marwataaa tha mujh say,,, haha ab bol..:P haha sala teri ma ko mirza nay lun diya tha aur tu paida huwa tha ..haha gandu muumy dady bcha..bara araam say salaam kar raha hay cam par a kar,,,pehlay apni sis ko mana karo nude pics na past karay net par hahaha mirza ki gaand main mera lulla :P
osanama11 3 years ago
Go and ask your Imam stupid, I challenge you. Or accept true Islam then.
Bondguy777 3 years ago
QADYANI Tell us about GULAM AHMED QADAYNI who rob his father pension Rs 700 when he was young....and also tell us about MOHAMMDI BEGUM...why MIRZA GULAM wants to marry with her......QADYANI should read MIRZA urdu books....He claim in his book BRitish are supporting him...and they have OFFICE in ISRAEL....they have JEWISH support too
bloodpresure 3 years ago
QADYANI....is the culpet..If
bloodpresure 3 years ago
salam.mujhe yeh shakhs kisi bhi angle se ahmadi nahi lagta.ap agar peeche video main dekhainto pata chalta hai ke Mirza ghulam Ahmad sahib ke sath mirza Bashiruddin ki picture lagi hai,ab sochne ki baat yeh hai ke agar yeh banda ahmadi hota to isay itna pata hota ke dono ke middle main kiski pic aani thi.lo bhai chor khud hi pakda gaya.ha ha ha ha.aray pareshan mat ho.agli baar sahi picture lagana.
wakasmansoor 3 years ago
You will continue to come up with issue with the Jam'at unless you come to an understanding of the fundamental issue of death of Jesus and Katamul nabeeyeen. These two fundamental issues need to be discussed in order for any productive result to emerge from our conversation. What do you think?
shahkar 3 years ago
The Promised Missiah (AS) did not bring ANY new law rather he was a reformer and a humble servant of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (SAW).
Never shall you attain to righteousness unless you spend out of that which you love; and whatever you spend, Allah surely knows it well.(3:93)
This verse of the Holy Qur'an exhorts for monetary contributions (Chandas) and encourages the people to spend for the sake of religion.
shahkar 3 years ago
yet you maintain no Ahmadis have a new law?? You don't need me to help you understand...you simply have your thoughts and ideas stuck in time and will not let them go. What can anyone say to that???
shahkar 3 years ago
today the Jihad of the nafs (self) entails to be mindful that the worldly gains are temporary and that one must not care for these fleeting gains as well as one must give up all ills for the Jihad of the nafs. Today, to sacrifice one's life entails to sacrifice one's nafs; for one's Community and to eliminate egotism, while worldly desires remain incessant; one must commit 1/16th of one's income for the Community contribution (chanda)
shahkar 3 years ago
Excellent video response...Masha'Allah! Look forward to more videos from you in the furture.
shahkar 3 years ago
Marzai are exploiting the islam,stop stop stop,after Muhammad S.A.W Islam is complet but Nauz billah Mirza come he told us that "I am Muhammad ul Sani"?Nauz billah?After that coming others too??Sham on you Marzaiyo,Allah ki lanat hu tum logo par.
brussalian 3 years ago
jazakum Allah for the abuses. Allah ka raham ho tum par. ameen
dnasir1 3 years ago
ahmadis are big lier that is why they do not like to debate with any one
sheikhbabz 4 years ago
dear sheikhbabz, debate on what?
dnasir1 3 years ago
This question of Nabi after Prophet (PBUH) was asked by Dr Zakir Naik and he refute that. But what Qaidiyaanis are saying is that Mirza Gulam Ahmed is Jesus (Alah Salaam) and Hazrat Mehdi which seems false. As the signs of End of days was given by Prophet (PBUH) in it was very clear that there should be two persons. and the whole muslims will be united among Hazrat Mehdi. People will make him Ameer even when he do not wish that. Nothing like this has happened.
mohsinjamil 4 years ago
AK Shaikh should be asked this question: Can you kindly show this "young boy" who posts your videos for you? This is a test of your integrity now. You must be able to defend yourself and absolve yourself of this slur..
SaifullaKhalid 4 years ago
From where is this 10% tax to the nazam has come. There is nothing like thing in quran and hadiths. Y r the ahmadies forced to do something that is not in Quran and Hadiths.
DeedatRocks 4 years ago
DeedatRocks u know nothing about ahmadis and have many prejudices that we r some kind of enemy to the world.Unless u open ur heart & read.
doni5575 4 years ago
No I am not against ahmadies. I am their friend. I want to save them from hell fire. There is a hadiths in Muslim.
Abu Hurayrah said, "The Prophet said, "The Hour will not come ... until nearly 30 "dajjals" (liars) appear, each one claiming to be a messenger from Allah.'" (Bukhari Muslim.)
Mr. zaki, if you are really a true friend to your ahmadi classmate, then howcan you allow him to walk towards the hell fire. Tell him of this hadiths.
DeedatRocks 4 years ago
Please do same with Mr.A.K.Shaikh, who is lieing lieing lieing and lieing; is it Islam? Is prophet Muhammad (Peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) ever given such a teachings of lieing?
fazalahmadi 4 years ago
No he said that no one should Lie. And he also said that any one who says, that he is a prophet or a messanger born after him is a liar. Please donot follow the teaching of a liar.
DeedatRocks 4 years ago
No Ahmadi is forced to pay anything, rather is is recommended that we do...you're comment shows your limited knowledge of Islam and the history of Islam. Even during Prophet Muhammad's(saw) time during times of hardship he asked the Muslims to pay more than the alloted amount... Was that also wrong in your eyes??
shahkar 3 years ago
There is a difference between Optional and Mendatory Charity. The percentage of Mendatory charity is given in the LAW of Muhammad (PBUH). If someone makes change in this value, that he/she is saying that he/she knows better than Law given to Muhammad (PBUH).
DeedatRocks 3 years ago
by your response I can tell you didn't understand my comment. As I stated, NO AHMADI IS OBLIGED to pay chanda, rather we do it out of self obedience and for a good cause. If you are truly interested in proving the jamaat chanda wrong first you MUST do your research then ask questions. Our Jamaat Chanda has helped build schools, hospitals and safe havens for people of poor countries like Africa. These chandas are used to build mosques around the world, EVERY SINGLE PENNY IS ACCOUNTED FOR.
shahkar 3 years ago
Yet because you only have hate in your heart you refuse to see the good this chanda does for man kind. Google 'Humanity First' and then come back and talk to me about our Chanda. Read any major new paper in Ghanna, Nigeria on a regular basis and invariably it will talk about yet another way the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community is helping their countries...These are just 2 examples with many, many more out there...Why do you think Ahmadis are more organized then the rest of the muslims???
shahkar 3 years ago
Ahmadis are spreading around the world faster than anyone could have imagined because we don't fuss and cry like you do about making EXTRA sacrifices, may they be monetary or physical or emotional...Ahmadis are moving forward and making the world a better place yet you sit there are complain and argue about bitter little issues.. it's time to wake you brother...It's time to see why Allah has blessed this community of Promised Missiah that originated in a small unknown town of Qadian has spread
shahkar 3 years ago
The Jamaat has spread across the world yet you sit there and complain about chanda. The chanda that HAS and IS helping this world each and every day...Do you not see the point here??????
shahkar 3 years ago
No.
Chanda is No optional. I have seen people loose the membership of jammat, left alone by their friends and family when they decided no to give it. So no, chanda is not optional.
DeedatRocks 3 years ago