I practice that one too.. and shotokan, but I've never seen that kata... the guy says wunsu, but that sure isn't wunsu and the explanation says go pei sho... which i havent really seen xD but i have the idea that it starts differently...
Yes, but he never had any links to Okinawa. He said that he trained with Yasuhiro Konishi but that was proven wrong. He also said that he trained with other Japanese instructors but that was debunked. Sadly he made up his lineage.
Well, neither of us were there. So who knows. I could say plenty to "prove" otherwise, but people will believe what they want to believe. There are also plenty of McDojo's who get their certification all too easily with no lineage at all to speak about. Ultimately, martial arts needs to be about you, not your lineage. Lineage won't make you good or bad. I've seen so-called masters who looked really embarassing and people with no lineage look pretty sharp.
I also want to add that one my instructors did train with Trias, and it would be hard to find a more talented martial artist. He did something right, even if what you say is true. But we know Trias started with T'ung Gee Hsiang in the Soloman Islands, and you can trace Hsiang back to the Okinawan masters. That plus the fact that it is obvious our instructors know what they are talking about is more than good enough for me.
See Bruce A. Haines' widely published "Karate History and Traditions." Haines is a kendo artist. No connection to Shuri or Trias whatsoever, so that is outside the organization. Pages 154-55 discusses Trias' background. Oh, and that is the revised edition of the book, first published in 1968, revised in 1995. Haines is a retired history professor. Seems more reliable than "here-say" or web page blogs.
Who says it is hearsay; I know people that knew him and said that he had a very basic knowledge of martial arts. I'm not saying he was a bad guy, but only had a rudimentary knowledge of karate. He started his own style and never went back for advanced training. Too bad, now you have a split organization where everyone is his successor and do kata poorly.
I'm always interested in broadening my library. But don't lower yourself to go as far as insult karate-ka. It just makes you seem less credible, and a poor example of what it means to be a martial artist.
Interesting. Hard not to take "Too bad, now you have a split organization where everyone is his successor and do kata poorly" as an insult unless you are illiterate. If you want a serious debate, don't insult. You calling my kata poor ("everyone") when you have never seen it just makes you a poor man.
You have bad to ok form but you do not demonstrate go pei sho the way shuri-ryu stylists practice it. I trained in Phx with Trias when I was 10 (then he passed away) and after trained with Milt Calander and Mike Wall for 12 years. I won USKA (Association and Alliance) nationals with go pei sho.
1st, your gi is a tae kwon do gi and turns the judges off.2nd, your breathing is incorrect 3.your power is too weak for this kata 4.your kiba dachi stances are not shuri 5.You move way to quickly through the kata and dont put nearly the needed emphasis on techniques and many other flaws but i think its because you were taught incorrectly.If you need some advice, I am free to give it.This kata, if performed correctly, can be a national/world contention kata although it lacks on geri techniques.
Sorry, I only have the '84 edition where there is brief mention on p. 159 that he "is interested in heading a national karate association." No glowing recommendations, etc. Haine's book is not a glowing example of a good historical reference. Check out John Sell's "Udante, The History of Karate"; much more comprehensive.
Check out Hohan Soken of Matsumura Seito ha Suide* Suide is the Okinawan dialect for Shuri way. He was the main Okinawan connection for this style. You may want to check his out.
Not exactly. I don't know the full history with O Sensei Trias, but I do know there the influence of the Shuti-te style is there. I saw some footage of some modern day Shuri-te practitioners in Okinawa. Their style of punching is identical to what we use in Shuri-ryu; right down to the snap of the wrist.
Well I don't know Gopeisho kata, I do Goju-ryu. It was effort from Adam. But Sonnie Lasker does this form better.
SithV1 2 years ago
I know him!!
bunnylove04 4 years ago
That was pretty sloppy.. too choppy in movements and the shoulders kept bouncing up and down. Try running it without all the shoulder bouncing.
LeeJin86 4 years ago
what style is that?
Ascention 5 years ago
Okinawan Shuri-ryu
metamoramartialarts 5 years ago
I practice that one too.. and shotokan, but I've never seen that kata... the guy says wunsu, but that sure isn't wunsu and the explanation says go pei sho... which i havent really seen xD but i have the idea that it starts differently...
But nevermind me, I'm just a beginner xD
Ascention 5 years ago
I think you're confused because I said "Go Pei Sho" very quickly and it blended together to sound like Wansu. :)
metamoramartialarts 5 years ago
Go Pei Sho is a first dan ranking kata. It is also very Chinese in influence.
You are correct that is not Wunsu, although that is a very powerful kata in itself. =)
karritto 3 years ago
Who is the Okinawan head master of this style?
NewEnglandBudo 4 years ago
A major point of our lineage is Robert Trias.
metamoramartialarts 4 years ago
Yes, but he never had any links to Okinawa. He said that he trained with Yasuhiro Konishi but that was proven wrong. He also said that he trained with other Japanese instructors but that was debunked. Sadly he made up his lineage.
NewEnglandBudo 4 years ago
Well, neither of us were there. So who knows. I could say plenty to "prove" otherwise, but people will believe what they want to believe. There are also plenty of McDojo's who get their certification all too easily with no lineage at all to speak about. Ultimately, martial arts needs to be about you, not your lineage. Lineage won't make you good or bad. I've seen so-called masters who looked really embarassing and people with no lineage look pretty sharp.
chiapet79 4 years ago
I also want to add that one my instructors did train with Trias, and it would be hard to find a more talented martial artist. He did something right, even if what you say is true. But we know Trias started with T'ung Gee Hsiang in the Soloman Islands, and you can trace Hsiang back to the Okinawan masters. That plus the fact that it is obvious our instructors know what they are talking about is more than good enough for me.
chiapet79 4 years ago
Blind trust....check outside your organization and explore what the Okinawans say. Good luck!
NewEnglandBudo 4 years ago
See Bruce A. Haines' widely published "Karate History and Traditions." Haines is a kendo artist. No connection to Shuri or Trias whatsoever, so that is outside the organization. Pages 154-55 discusses Trias' background. Oh, and that is the revised edition of the book, first published in 1968, revised in 1995. Haines is a retired history professor. Seems more reliable than "here-say" or web page blogs.
chiapet79 4 years ago
Who says it is hearsay; I know people that knew him and said that he had a very basic knowledge of martial arts. I'm not saying he was a bad guy, but only had a rudimentary knowledge of karate. He started his own style and never went back for advanced training. Too bad, now you have a split organization where everyone is his successor and do kata poorly.
NewEnglandBudo 4 years ago
I'm always interested in broadening my library. But don't lower yourself to go as far as insult karate-ka. It just makes you seem less credible, and a poor example of what it means to be a martial artist.
chiapet79 4 years ago
If you see it as an insult then you must understand that you are doing something wrong!
NewEnglandBudo 4 years ago
Interesting. Hard not to take "Too bad, now you have a split organization where everyone is his successor and do kata poorly" as an insult unless you are illiterate. If you want a serious debate, don't insult. You calling my kata poor ("everyone") when you have never seen it just makes you a poor man.
chiapet79 4 years ago
You have bad to ok form but you do not demonstrate go pei sho the way shuri-ryu stylists practice it. I trained in Phx with Trias when I was 10 (then he passed away) and after trained with Milt Calander and Mike Wall for 12 years. I won USKA (Association and Alliance) nationals with go pei sho.
grecothrow 3 years ago
1st, your gi is a tae kwon do gi and turns the judges off.2nd, your breathing is incorrect 3.your power is too weak for this kata 4.your kiba dachi stances are not shuri 5.You move way to quickly through the kata and dont put nearly the needed emphasis on techniques and many other flaws but i think its because you were taught incorrectly.If you need some advice, I am free to give it.This kata, if performed correctly, can be a national/world contention kata although it lacks on geri techniques.
grecothrow 3 years ago
Sorry, I only have the '84 edition where there is brief mention on p. 159 that he "is interested in heading a national karate association." No glowing recommendations, etc. Haine's book is not a glowing example of a good historical reference. Check out John Sell's "Udante, The History of Karate"; much more comprehensive.
NewEnglandBudo 4 years ago
Check out Hohan Soken of Matsumura Seito ha Suide* Suide is the Okinawan dialect for Shuri way. He was the main Okinawan connection for this style. You may want to check his out.
NewEnglandBudo 4 years ago
Not exactly. I don't know the full history with O Sensei Trias, but I do know there the influence of the Shuti-te style is there. I saw some footage of some modern day Shuri-te practitioners in Okinawa. Their style of punching is identical to what we use in Shuri-ryu; right down to the snap of the wrist.
karritto 3 years ago
The next Tajiri perhaps? Very cool man. The crowd seemed to be really into it.
romanerdstrom 5 years ago