I'm not buying it, sir. While I give an "A" for effort and thought on the matter, had you set up your ultralight camp in inclement weather, you and your high speed gear would be soaked. Your shelter is "combat ineffective." I see no knife or saw (more weight) to process fire wood. I'd be seriously concerned with hypothermia and ticks! You dismiss water and food weight which easily brings your 9 lb load to near 20 lbs -- w/o a pack suspension to support it! And after 3 hrs/10 mi? C'mon, man...
@TheSabotFighter since when does water and food for a night weigh 11 lbs? 1.75 lbs of food for a day + 2L of water (4 lbs) + <1 oz of alcohol for a night is still under 6 lbs. 15 lbs total. For 20lbs he could do a 4 day trip. At 30 lbs he could do a 9-10 day trip. 30 lbs is still comfortable in a frameless pack and 20lbs is very comfortable (personal experience). His tarp shelter can easily sustain weather he could experience in the woods (possible not alpine conditions).
@TheSabotFighter I did a 3 day hike in the Cabeza Prieta in southwest Arizona a couple of years ago looking for Ed Abbey's grave and started out with 4 gallons of water...so even with ultralight gear I was over 40 lbs. Still, it could have been 60 lbs if I were doing like I used to. Regarding food: about a 1 1/2 lbs of food a day is enough for short trips (a week or less) especially if it's mostly fat: nuts, cheese and chocolate at around 3000 calories/lb. ps Didn't find old Ed.
@TheSabotFighter No cooking...but I did drink 3.5 gallons of that water. The poncho-tarp kept me dry from above but, oddly, it rained one night and the hardpan desert flooded...coming within a few feet of us. We were stopped by border patrol and Organ Pipe Monument rangers, but had the right permits. Lots of signs of illegals there, 5 miles north of Mexico.
@djbarryiii High adventure! Sounds like fun...! I always carry a basha and USGI poncho (your rig) with me on day hikes just in case, but if I go on a multi-day trip, it's either the Copper Spur or Seedhouse. Don't wanna get splashed. Don't wanna get eaten alive by bugs. Don't wanna feel trapped inside a shelter in bad weather.
@TheSabotFighter You know I have a Tarp Tent (brand name) at 2.5 lbs and a one man free standing at 3.5 lbs, and I'll use them sometimes but I've been lucky I guess and usually do OK with my poncho set up and the umbrella and/or bug net in the door. My space blanket or DWI covers protect me from most splash droplets and from the (inevitable) condensation inside the tarp. To keep dry from below I try to camp high and over a pile of leaves. It usually works...
@TheSabotFighter Also, you're right...this is a setup with minimal interior space and is not much fun to sit out a storm in. Actually my head hits the top (just a bit) if I sit up straight..so it's pretty cramped. Still, overall I like it because it's light. I guess I'd rather feel a bit trapped in it in occasional bad weather than to feel crushed by a 50-60lb pack every day hiking...as I did in my wasted youth! But it's give and take...
@djbarryiii I'm not sure I'd equate the 2 lb 6 oz (trail weight) Copper Spur UL 1 with a 50-60 lb pack. It's worth the weight compared your setup on a multi-day trip. My opinion after watching your videos and reading your own testimony.
@djbarryiii Why did you remove my reply to cdipaolo96? Your comment was in reply to it. It also puts your comment about water weight in context. Oh well... Your channel, your prerogative. I suppose you'll remove this one too.
@TheSabotFighter Sorry, I accidentally clicked on the wrong thing. I tried to respond to you post myself and couldn't find it later either. Apologies!
@TheSabotFighter I guess people might drink more water, too. I drink pretty little (should drink more) and have done 8 miles on .5 L. I packed more but only drank that much. In hotter seasons, though, I do drink much more.
@cdipaolo96 YES...! Please Google "Current U.S. Military Fluid Replacement Guidelines." Unless you have a guaranteed renewable water source, rolling out with only 2L of water, even on a day hike, is irresponsible IMHO, considering all that can go wrong on the trail.
Just wild. You are like a mad scientist and I love your approach -- you seem pathologically averse to buying any gear. Most people inch toward ultralight by spending more money. You do it by spending less. Unfortunately, if you brought a kit like that to Wyoming, even the everyday winds would deposit your lean-to (and maybe your pack as well) into the lake on a daily basis.
@tomfaranda Sorry about the quality--I didn't even have a little tripod to put the camera on--so I was trying to hold the camera and do stuff one-handed, which was a problem. Still, I wanted to show how all this gear really is used out in the field.
Did you say "five by nine poncho tarp"?!?! Where did you get one of those? I've only seen 4x8, and I could use the extra size for my height, both when wearing it and when sheltering under it.
@luv2sharpen The 5x9 foot is an "extra long" available from Campmor for $45 or $50. It's meant to be used over a big pack and has a velcro fold under patch for use without a pack. A regular sized poncho is just too small to sleep under....and even this size is a close fit!
@ThreeWheelJourney I love the umbrella---I pop it up as soon as it starts to drizzle. If that's all it does, then fine--I can just hike with the umbrella and stay well ventilated. If it starts to rain hard, I can put on my poncho and not have gotten wet first for waiting 15 minutes....like I used to do.
I'm not buying it, sir. While I give an "A" for effort and thought on the matter, had you set up your ultralight camp in inclement weather, you and your high speed gear would be soaked. Your shelter is "combat ineffective." I see no knife or saw (more weight) to process fire wood. I'd be seriously concerned with hypothermia and ticks! You dismiss water and food weight which easily brings your 9 lb load to near 20 lbs -- w/o a pack suspension to support it! And after 3 hrs/10 mi? C'mon, man...
TheSabotFighter 6 months ago
@TheSabotFighter since when does water and food for a night weigh 11 lbs? 1.75 lbs of food for a day + 2L of water (4 lbs) + <1 oz of alcohol for a night is still under 6 lbs. 15 lbs total. For 20lbs he could do a 4 day trip. At 30 lbs he could do a 9-10 day trip. 30 lbs is still comfortable in a frameless pack and 20lbs is very comfortable (personal experience). His tarp shelter can easily sustain weather he could experience in the woods (possible not alpine conditions).
cdipaolo96 1 month ago
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TheSabotFighter 1 month ago
@TheSabotFighter I did a 3 day hike in the Cabeza Prieta in southwest Arizona a couple of years ago looking for Ed Abbey's grave and started out with 4 gallons of water...so even with ultralight gear I was over 40 lbs. Still, it could have been 60 lbs if I were doing like I used to. Regarding food: about a 1 1/2 lbs of food a day is enough for short trips (a week or less) especially if it's mostly fat: nuts, cheese and chocolate at around 3000 calories/lb. ps Didn't find old Ed.
djbarryiii 1 month ago
@djbarryiii OMG, I can't imagine packing 4gallons of water. Did you cook at all, or was it a dry food trek?
TheSabotFighter 1 month ago
@TheSabotFighter No cooking...but I did drink 3.5 gallons of that water. The poncho-tarp kept me dry from above but, oddly, it rained one night and the hardpan desert flooded...coming within a few feet of us. We were stopped by border patrol and Organ Pipe Monument rangers, but had the right permits. Lots of signs of illegals there, 5 miles north of Mexico.
djbarryiii 1 month ago
@djbarryiii Didn't find old Ed...but we were THIS close! (I'm sure....not.)
djbarryiii 1 month ago
@djbarryiii High adventure! Sounds like fun...! I always carry a basha and USGI poncho (your rig) with me on day hikes just in case, but if I go on a multi-day trip, it's either the Copper Spur or Seedhouse. Don't wanna get splashed. Don't wanna get eaten alive by bugs. Don't wanna feel trapped inside a shelter in bad weather.
TheSabotFighter 1 month ago
@TheSabotFighter You know I have a Tarp Tent (brand name) at 2.5 lbs and a one man free standing at 3.5 lbs, and I'll use them sometimes but I've been lucky I guess and usually do OK with my poncho set up and the umbrella and/or bug net in the door. My space blanket or DWI covers protect me from most splash droplets and from the (inevitable) condensation inside the tarp. To keep dry from below I try to camp high and over a pile of leaves. It usually works...
djbarryiii 1 month ago
@TheSabotFighter Also, you're right...this is a setup with minimal interior space and is not much fun to sit out a storm in. Actually my head hits the top (just a bit) if I sit up straight..so it's pretty cramped. Still, overall I like it because it's light. I guess I'd rather feel a bit trapped in it in occasional bad weather than to feel crushed by a 50-60lb pack every day hiking...as I did in my wasted youth! But it's give and take...
djbarryiii 1 month ago
@djbarryiii I'm not sure I'd equate the 2 lb 6 oz (trail weight) Copper Spur UL 1 with a 50-60 lb pack. It's worth the weight compared your setup on a multi-day trip. My opinion after watching your videos and reading your own testimony.
TheSabotFighter 1 month ago
@djbarryiii Why did you remove my reply to cdipaolo96? Your comment was in reply to it. It also puts your comment about water weight in context. Oh well... Your channel, your prerogative. I suppose you'll remove this one too.
TheSabotFighter 1 month ago
@TheSabotFighter Sorry, I clicked on the wrong thing....I tried to answer you afterward and couldn't find the post either. Apologies!
djbarryiii 1 month ago
@TheSabotFighter Sorry, I accidentally clicked on the wrong thing. I tried to respond to you post myself and couldn't find it later either. Apologies!
djbarryiii 1 month ago
@TheSabotFighter I guess people might drink more water, too. I drink pretty little (should drink more) and have done 8 miles on .5 L. I packed more but only drank that much. In hotter seasons, though, I do drink much more.
cdipaolo96 1 month ago
@cdipaolo96 YES...! Please Google "Current U.S. Military Fluid Replacement Guidelines." Unless you have a guaranteed renewable water source, rolling out with only 2L of water, even on a day hike, is irresponsible IMHO, considering all that can go wrong on the trail.
TheSabotFighter 1 month ago
Just wild. You are like a mad scientist and I love your approach -- you seem pathologically averse to buying any gear. Most people inch toward ultralight by spending more money. You do it by spending less. Unfortunately, if you brought a kit like that to Wyoming, even the everyday winds would deposit your lean-to (and maybe your pack as well) into the lake on a daily basis.
chaddvanzanten 9 months ago
@chaddvanzanten I think you're right. I've only used this setup in forested, relatively wind protected areas.
djbarryiii 9 months ago
I like what you've done here and you did choose a beautiful spot. You've got some great innovative ideas. Thanks for sharing with me and all of us.
rainbowhiker 10 months ago
Uhhh, maybe a wide angle shot of everything you were doing would have been better?
tomfaranda 11 months ago
@tomfaranda Sorry about the quality--I didn't even have a little tripod to put the camera on--so I was trying to hold the camera and do stuff one-handed, which was a problem. Still, I wanted to show how all this gear really is used out in the field.
djbarryiii 10 months ago
Did you say "five by nine poncho tarp"?!?! Where did you get one of those? I've only seen 4x8, and I could use the extra size for my height, both when wearing it and when sheltering under it.
luv2sharpen 11 months ago
@luv2sharpen The 5x9 foot is an "extra long" available from Campmor for $45 or $50. It's meant to be used over a big pack and has a velcro fold under patch for use without a pack. A regular sized poncho is just too small to sleep under....and even this size is a close fit!
djbarryiii 10 months ago
very cool umbrella idea!
ThreeWheelJourney 11 months ago
@ThreeWheelJourney I love the umbrella---I pop it up as soon as it starts to drizzle. If that's all it does, then fine--I can just hike with the umbrella and stay well ventilated. If it starts to rain hard, I can put on my poncho and not have gotten wet first for waiting 15 minutes....like I used to do.
djbarryiii 10 months ago