Cops can't just "check out" gun calls. The Constitution and Supreme Court both say that you can ONLY detain someone if you have a reasonable, articulable suspicion of a crime. Owning and carrying a gun is not that. He was illegally detained and the cops violated his rights.
They can't "check out" gun calls this way anymore than they could search your car "just to make sure" that there was nothing illegal. That's why we're "innocent until proven guilty."
The guy had a CCW permit what exactly is the problem? The cops should have sent him on his way as soon as they looked at his permit. Open is carry is legal in Ohio anyway.
These cops need some major remedial training!! Both on firearms law and the Constitution. I hope this guy sues the department...b/c he'd definitely win.
This humiliating exercise those cops had him do is inexucusable. His rights were violated and justice needs to be done here.
They charged him with failure to notify officers of conceal and carry license, which he CLEARY notifies them in this tape not minutes after they pick him up off the ground like a criminal. Evidence that the Oregon City Police tried to supress from evidence. Lucky they dismissed the criminal charges agains Mr. Sayers, they would have even a bigger lawsiut against them right now.
Look at all the idiots slowing down to watch. To bad that ar15 didnt have a misfire and shot one of their cars. You better believe those rubbernecking sons of bitches would be driving as fast as they could out of there.
And ... if they did not perform stops where firearms are suspected exactly the way they did here ... we would have cops being shot and killed far more often ... we have to accept/expect/allow our officers to protect themselves.
He over reacted ... if we had more cops and thus they were capable of doing more of exactly what they did to your brother ... he would not need his own gun because the criminals wouldn't have them .... how else do you expect them to catch criminals if they don't do all those checks and don't ask if you can legally carry?
BUT ... my husband and I are paramedics ... I listen to the scanner all the time ... everything reported back by dispatch is standard practice on all stops ... they check for warrants, registrations, insurance ... and yes if there is a firearm involved they run the serials ... and if capable they check firearm licenses ...
Ok ... I'll give your brother two things ... #1 complaintants over reacted ... the mere existence of a firearm in a house or a car absent it being brandished or actively used in a crime ... is NOT a reason to call 911.
#2 - given the fact that they performed a felony stop and were likely not able to hear him ...
given the fact that he is obviously knowledgeable about gun ownership and handling ...
I am fully willing to assume that he in fact did notify them....
"The only thing I would recommend, is Daniel should have kept a more cooler head." --
That's bull! Anyone who doesn't get angry when his rights are being violated isn't an American. Period. All this "we should all kiss the police's butt no matter what they do because we love our mommy gov't" is bull.
The only thing he did wrong was give them his ID and consent to them running the serial number on his gun. They had no right to it.
The guy with the guns is actually my older brother and he is in right here obviously the cops tried to pin him with shit that he didnt do and werent illegal
A cop only can respond to the cal and information given to him/her. However, once things were found to be ok and legal, he should of been released and appoligized to. I'm a retired Cop and there was too much bull shit here. I'm also Pro Gun
All this shows is that more citizens need to start carrying openly. It gives the cops an opportunity to learn the law and it shows that law abiding people carry. The only reason this happened was because more people don't open carry.
OpenCarry*com ... go to the forum on your state and start exercising your rights!
The one idiot cop points guns at passing traffic!!? At a law-abiding citizen? That's "aggravated assault". Cops have had "accidental kills" due to improper handling of firearms (including one 12-yr-old kid shot in the back with a 12 guage shotgun while lying face-down, handcuffed, on the floor!) People PROPERLY trained in gun safety know that you don't point a gun at anything you don't intend to shoot.
These cops are dangerous, unprofessional and should be horsewhipped, fired and jailed.
That's why it's hilarious that people are more scared of everyday citizens having guns than cops. Cops have no clue what they're doing with guns half the time. Citizens who carry are usually better informed and have better aim...and way more common sense than to point an assault rifle at passing traffic.
These officers were WAYYYY outside the law. They're criminals.
They have no right to detain someone to "figure out what was going on" without reasonable, articulable suspicion that a crime had been committed. Open Carrying is NOT enough. That's why the charges were dropped.
Cops can't just "check out" gun calls. The Constitution and Supreme Court both say that you can ONLY detain someone if you have a reasonable, articulable suspicion of a crime. Owning and carrying a gun is not that. He was illegally detained and the cops violated his rights.
They can't "check out" gun calls this way anymore than they could search your car "just to make sure" that there was nothing illegal. That's why we're "innocent until proven guilty."
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OnGuard4Liberty 4 years ago 10
The guy had a CCW permit what exactly is the problem? The cops should have sent him on his way as soon as they looked at his permit. Open is carry is legal in Ohio anyway.
massltca 4 years ago 15
These cops need some major remedial training!! Both on firearms law and the Constitution. I hope this guy sues the department...b/c he'd definitely win.
This humiliating exercise those cops had him do is inexucusable. His rights were violated and justice needs to be done here.
Welcome to the police state!!
OnGuard4Liberty 4 years ago
They charged him with failure to notify officers of conceal and carry license, which he CLEARY notifies them in this tape not minutes after they pick him up off the ground like a criminal. Evidence that the Oregon City Police tried to supress from evidence. Lucky they dismissed the criminal charges agains Mr. Sayers, they would have even a bigger lawsiut against them right now.
neabear77 4 years ago 5
Look at all the idiots slowing down to watch. To bad that ar15 didnt have a misfire and shot one of their cars. You better believe those rubbernecking sons of bitches would be driving as fast as they could out of there.
Americans are to fucking nosey.
ColbertNation88 4 years ago 4
And ... if they did not perform stops where firearms are suspected exactly the way they did here ... we would have cops being shot and killed far more often ... we have to accept/expect/allow our officers to protect themselves.
smurfyhandy 4 years ago
He over reacted ... if we had more cops and thus they were capable of doing more of exactly what they did to your brother ... he would not need his own gun because the criminals wouldn't have them .... how else do you expect them to catch criminals if they don't do all those checks and don't ask if you can legally carry?
smurfyhandy 4 years ago
BUT ... my husband and I are paramedics ... I listen to the scanner all the time ... everything reported back by dispatch is standard practice on all stops ... they check for warrants, registrations, insurance ... and yes if there is a firearm involved they run the serials ... and if capable they check firearm licenses ...
smurfyhandy 4 years ago
Ok ... I'll give your brother two things ... #1 complaintants over reacted ... the mere existence of a firearm in a house or a car absent it being brandished or actively used in a crime ... is NOT a reason to call 911.
#2 - given the fact that they performed a felony stop and were likely not able to hear him ...
given the fact that he is obviously knowledgeable about gun ownership and handling ...
I am fully willing to assume that he in fact did notify them....
smurfyhandy 4 years ago
Cops mostly suck, mostly
ebolachimp 4 years ago 3
The only thing I would recommend, is Daniel should have kept a more cooler head.
KineticRic 4 years ago
"The only thing I would recommend, is Daniel should have kept a more cooler head." --
That's bull! Anyone who doesn't get angry when his rights are being violated isn't an American. Period. All this "we should all kiss the police's butt no matter what they do because we love our mommy gov't" is bull.
The only thing he did wrong was give them his ID and consent to them running the serial number on his gun. They had no right to it.
OnGuard4Liberty 4 years ago
woo dem!
Daggdave 4 years ago
hahahahahaha.
clown
bigG86 4 years ago
pwnd...lmao
Runey69 4 years ago
Sigh.
emsixteen87 4 years ago
Just got word today, the prosecutor dropped all charges, and, returned the property they stole from him.
JupeMan 4 years ago
"Just got word today, the prosecutor dropped all charges, and, returned the property they stole from him." --
Good news. But I assume they still got away with the assault, battery and unlawful imprisonment?
OnGuard4Liberty 4 years ago
Lol, ownt.
Danfella 4 years ago
POlice are real fucked up in their minds!
Careproductions 4 years ago
The guy with the guns is actually my older brother and he is in right here obviously the cops tried to pin him with shit that he didnt do and werent illegal
JoefnMead 4 years ago
Look what we've got for "Mare" in Oregon. Her son is a cop--the cops have protection from the very top.
janelle90210 5 years ago
A cop only can respond to the cal and information given to him/her. However, once things were found to be ok and legal, he should of been released and appoligized to. I'm a retired Cop and there was too much bull shit here. I'm also Pro Gun
eldudeny 5 years ago 3
"Now imagine if he were black!"
knave2 5 years ago 3
I hope this guy has a good lawyer
eldudeny 5 years ago
lol @ that idiot who called the cops on a law abiding citizen for having a gun.
sfaasdf 5 years ago 2
All this shows is that more citizens need to start carrying openly. It gives the cops an opportunity to learn the law and it shows that law abiding people carry. The only reason this happened was because more people don't open carry.
OpenCarry*com ... go to the forum on your state and start exercising your rights!
OnGuard4Liberty 4 years ago
The one idiot cop points guns at passing traffic!!? At a law-abiding citizen? That's "aggravated assault". Cops have had "accidental kills" due to improper handling of firearms (including one 12-yr-old kid shot in the back with a 12 guage shotgun while lying face-down, handcuffed, on the floor!) People PROPERLY trained in gun safety know that you don't point a gun at anything you don't intend to shoot.
These cops are dangerous, unprofessional and should be horsewhipped, fired and jailed.
bambi49 5 years ago 3
That's why it's hilarious that people are more scared of everyday citizens having guns than cops. Cops have no clue what they're doing with guns half the time. Citizens who carry are usually better informed and have better aim...and way more common sense than to point an assault rifle at passing traffic.
OnGuard4Liberty 4 years ago 3
props to that guy!
justinllih 5 years ago 2
LOL
Listen to these jerk ass cops try to get him for other things after they find out the fucked up.
Checking the car registration and making sure he was wearing glasses for driving.
They should be punished with prison time for treating someone that did no crime like this.
Just because some fool saw a gun. Not because they reported someone doing anything wrong with a gun.
GRRRR!!!
robertredbeard 5 years ago 4
This guy was unlawfully detained.
eldudeny 5 years ago 3
These officers were WAYYYY outside the law. They're criminals.
They have no right to detain someone to "figure out what was going on" without reasonable, articulable suspicion that a crime had been committed. Open Carrying is NOT enough. That's why the charges were dropped.
OnGuard4Liberty 4 years ago 6
Ultimately we have guns to stop police from abusing us like this. They are for hunting second and fighting corruption first.
robertredbeard 5 years ago 2