Jonathan Krohn Addresses CPAC (Video Response)

[leeason1]

So Fred hates capitalism but shops at Wal-Mart? Oh and good job using reusable bags instead of plastic bags. Oh wait! God Fred is such a loathsome left wing hypocrite!

[redlinetri]

@leeason1 Tell me about it. The first I heard from this fat moron was his anti-capitalist articles on the internet and there is a Wal-Mart bag filled with Chinese made goods on his filthy room. Notice that these anti-capitalist idiots always live in the places where the most capitalism is?

[marinejcksn1]

He bashes Krohn for not attending college. Where did this guy get his degree from? I don't know him but he's most likely in college. This is the same liberal stuff I hear from a lot of my professors in Penn State every day.

Bringing up Chomsky....do liberals understand that their hard left military hating posterboy made millions from Pentagon contracts? Liberals are the most 2 faced people on the planet when it comes to selling out their "beliefs" in order to make a buck.

[Wyrehedd242]

at least have the sense to clean your low income apartment before you film a video. slob.

[Matte1011]

If you are going to have a response to a 14 year old kid at least remember what his point was in terms of the principles, 2 of which you didn't know.

[Luftwaffels]

Did they pay you with Chicken wings to make an ass out of yourself?

[Luftwaffels]

I'll take the word of a 14 year old over yours you fat hobag.

[we0905]

Here's a book for you to read (speaking on 'ideologies')

In the Koran:

Beheadings (047.004) - Racism (005.041) - Gang Rape (033.052) - Crucifixions (005.033) - Genocide (033.061) - Treason - (008.067)

You're living in a mess...and I'm not referring to your room

[ecrispen]

One of the principles you forgot was "personal responsibility.: Defined as "Cleaning your room, EXERCISE, and controlling your anger."

If you're waiting for Obama to get you a pair of shoes, you're going to be waiting a LONG time.

[Svencore24]

democrats are fat.

[Ncarolina4206]

your right dawg, i agree with you

[clinicalthinker]

If you are a genius I suggest you set your more than brilliant mind to something different since political matters is not working for you.

Maybe put all that brilliance into a cure for Cancer or solving the starving children in Darfur issue might be a start.

BE A DOER NOT A FOLLOWER.

You might even find someone in the "global capitalist system" to donate to your cause.

Come on my man ... roll up your sleeves pitch in ... DO SOMETHING. That was your advice to me wasn't it?

[ArekExcelsior2]

By ruling over a global capitalist system, people like Clinton and Bush have insured the deaths of hundreds of millions of CHILDREN by starvation and death over the last thirty to forty years ALONE.

Further, it's not like our military atrocities are tame by comparison. The combination of years of bombing, our backing of Saddam, Depleted Uranium munitions, sanctions, and the recent invasion of the country have killed millions of Iraqis and made the country a shadow of what it once was.

[SongofDeath007]

You are discriminating him based on his age. (hate crime).

Anyhow, just because you were not able to tie your shoes at age 13 doesn't mean this kid isn't a genus.

His whole point about principle is not saying that a policy is impossible without principle, he is saying that good policy is based on principle.

.. bush not being a true conservative, Thats the EXACT point this kid is making, Republicans need to be more conservative.

...more babies have been aborted then people died in those wars

[ArekExcelsior2]

By your logic, preventing 15 year olds from voting is a hate crime. Nor am I denying he's a genius. What I'm saying is that genius (like, in fact, I was identified as being at that age) does not eclipse emotional maturity, the full development of your brain, and your ability to get away from your parents and childhood peer networks long enough to come up with your own thoughts. That took me until I was 15 at least. So, pay attention.

[SongofDeath007]

First, i dont like the concept of Hate crimes. Thats Liberal idology.

Second, i agree, that is a hate crime to 15 year olds by definition. The government can get away with that because liberals support big government. (for the record i dont think 15 year olds are ready to vote)

I am not going to pay attention to when you learned to come up with your own thoughts. What if this kid did it 2 years before you claim you did? Why do you assume he is brainwashed?

[ArekExcelsior2]

Really? Have a citation for the baby bit? Since according to the ORB, 1.03 million people died in Iraq BY AUGUST 2007 thanks to the invasion. It's much higher now. Some figures suggest 1.5 million a year aborted, but even if we buy that, THOSE AREN'T LIVING PEOPLE. Yes, abortions suck. But they're NOT the same, and you are engaging in massive war crime apologia if you do, as murdering breathing people with families and mothers and sisters and wives.

[SongofDeath007]

Roe v wade was in 1973, since then there have been over 40Million abortions. (your approx. of 1.5m a year would be ...35x1.5 = 52.5Million)

Major wars since 1973:

+Vietnam War ('59- '75), 2-5M (most before 1973 i would guess)

+Afghan Civil War 1.5-2M (still going)

+Iraq War 1-1.2M (still going)

+ Second Congo War 5.4m ('98-'03)

-----

13M on the high end.. so add in a few Million for other death events if you want (like the 3Mill Rwandan genocide 1994)

all under ½ the abortion count

[SongofDeath007]

Also, depends what you define as living people. It is growing, so it must be living but i guess you dont call it a person.

Whats the difference between a newborn and 8months?

-Size(newborn bigger)

-level of Development(newborn more developed)

-Environment (newborn not in womb)

-Dependence(newborn less dependent) - - -

Neither Size, Dependency, Environment, or Development i believe are a factor in your person hood...... (i dont like the character limit on these things...)

[SongofDeath007]

A tall person is just as much a person as a short person.

A fully matured adult is just as much a person as a unmature child.

A poor child living in Africa is just as much a person as a child in America.

A old person dependent on a respitory machine is just as much a person as a healthy 23 year old.

Aborted babies also mothers, and sisters. And if you are going to say a person must be breathing to be worth trying to keep alive... i hope you never need CPR.

[ArekExcelsior2]

Oh, and by the way, Song of Death: Abortions can't be separated from your favorite conservative's policies.

That is, teenage pregnancy, health rates, population control rates, and pregnancy rates in general are controlled by poverty, the kind that Republicans create by slashing social programs and supporting neo-liberalism, and are also controlled by education about birth control options, that which Republicans oppose.

So that's YOUR guys' fault. Not ours.

[SongofDeath007]

Just because Republicans wong give a kid a coat in the Winter, dosent mean you have to kill him in the Fall.

I believe that conservatives are the ones that believe in only haveing sex in marriage.. which would help population, and teen pregnancy....

[pete1739]

The guy doing this video is an unfortunate product of our "government" schools and "left-wing" universities. He sounds like he knows what he's talking about, but he doesn't even know what the (4) conservative principles that Jonathan mentioned are.

[clinicalthinker]

That certainly appears to be the case.

He is reminiscent of the "radical wingnuts" that cropped up during the Vietnam war. With a little age a number of the prominent leaders realized they were on the wrong track.

Age, maturity and experience usually does that. Unfortunately Chomsky, Bookchin, Lenin, Marx, Hitler etc. have a vested interest in corrupting the mushy brained youth with some false sense of Utopia.

[ArekExcelsior2]

So there's some exception to the rule that age manifests emotional maturity? Wow, you're intellectually honest. Way to go not corrupting the youth.

I've been radicalized since 15 and I've become more so since then. Chomsky, Albert, et al have had the same life trajectory. Lumping Hitler/Lenin with Marx, Chomsky and Bookchin (who committed no Holocausts) shows that you are a racist, conservative ideologue.

But it wouldn't matter. Arguments are all that matters. You can't make any. Period.

[ArekExcelsior2]

I replied to one of them successfully: Respect for the Constitution. In the blog post, the thing you didn't research because right wing universities apparently don't teach research or intellectual honesty, I reply to all of them. ArekExcelsior 1, Pete1739 0. You don't reply to MY arguments, either.

Oh, and by the way, universities are NOT left-wing. I have to struggle to express my political view within the orthodoxy of the school. But since when did conservatives make arguments based on facts?

[ArekExcelsior2]

Anyways, Clinical, your point is irrelevant. Sure, states and governments have throughout history engaged in conspiracy, assassination and coverup. Which is WHY our Founding Fathers made sure that things like PATRIOT couldn't exist! Krohn whitewashes over his own party's complicity in the PATRIOT affair and torture, indicating that his ostensible concern with "less government" and the Constitution is a sham or based on incomplete information. That's my point, and you have CONCEDED it. Weird.

[clinicalthinker]

He Whitewashes NOTHING. He is simply a young man giving his opinion just as you have given yours.

He is articulate way beyond his 13 years.

If you were indeed as mature as you would like the world to believe ... you would realize the crowd gave him a standing ovation because of that.

No need to make any other mountain out of it.

Your spin is simply THAT just because you believe your own spin does not make it accurate. You would be wise to consider that :)

[ArekExcelsior2]

Except that by saying that conservatives like Bush have respect for the Constitution, he whitewashes the crimes that show they don't.

True, his public speaking ability are laudable. What he says isn't.

Actually, I think the crowd gave him a standing ovation to encourage him to continue to lie rather than honestly engaging with and teaching this obviously intelligent kid. But so what? Chomsky gets standing ovations yet you hate the guy. Popularity isn't an argument.

[clinicalthinker]

He did not mention Bush once in his speech.

Perhaps you need an ear test along with bonehead in reading comp. 101?

He was rather articulate on his BELIEF.

Is that your true bitch or is it more simple?

Like jealousy perhaps?

Lets get to the real truth here shall we?

Your buddies coaxed you into making a fool of yourself online and you obliged them. ROFL

No excuses "it is what it is".

I'm done nothing more to discuss, Its been charming.

Caio

[ColinDennard]

It sounded like you had mentally retarded people in the background...

[ArekExcelsior2]

They're just eager :D .

[vibrasonic99]

You're pathetic.

[ArekExcelsior2]

Pray tell: What standard do you use to make this allegation?

[KAMCHATKAST]

Great thought. Stupid clapping.

[ArekExcelsior2]

I agree, but I can't stop people from clapping :) . This was supposed to be an impromptu response to give an alternative view.

[WarDogs42]

If you agreed with him, you'd be cheering him on.  Whatever the case, he was effective enough to get you upset. I wonder why that is?

[ArekExcelsior2]

That's a silly argument. Hitler was effective enough to get me upset. So was Stalin, George W. Bush, Bill Clinton, and probably a whole host of other folks you don't like and who get you upset. Chomsky gets people upset; does that mean all of you conservatives should become anarchists?

The problem is that people who cheer Krohn on are agreeing with silly platitudes, not actual arguments. I'm replying to those platitudes. And, no, I'm not "upset", I'm being polemical. They're different.

[clinicalthinker]

You know my dear young man clearly you either know nothing about history or failed your reading comp. classes.

To compare Bush or Clinton to either Hitler or Stalin makes you one of the biggest fools on the planet.

Your family needs to start a class action law suit against those who schooled you.

Thank heaven you are but one of a tiny minority in the USA.

[ArekExcelsior2]

Actually, I DIDN'T compare Hitler and Stalin to Bush and Clinton. I said that all of them make people angry, so to say that making people angry demonstrates that they have something valid to say is a bad argument. What did you say about reading comprehension again, tool?

But, in fact, in some ways Bush and Clinton are WORSE than Hitler and Stalin. The Black Book of Communism alleges 100 million deaths to Communism. Amartya Sen's work says that in India ALONE, capitalism killed 100 million.

[clinicalthinker]

So Capitalism is your enemy?

Who pays for your tuition, lodging etc.

Capitalistic DADDY?

Or are you on the dreaded government dole?

Your little head is stuffed with to much trash ... was all of this required reading wherever you were schooled or did you gravitate to this stuff on your own?

Consider signing up for the peace corp. and find out about the real world instead of just reading about it.

The military might be better yet.

[WHS47]

Good one, and why would YOU take advise from some 13 year old kid that is trained give a speech the same way a dog is trained to sit.

[ArekExcelsior2]

Hey, not cool, man. Despite my disagreements with Krohn, it's not simple Pavlovian conditioning that lets you get up in front of a lot of adults at that age when the whole direction of the society is telling you to be obedient and complacent. My problem with Krohn isn't HIM as a young man making political arguments, no matter how erroneous and silly. My problem is the people around him.

[Ncarolina4206]

why are we listening to this guy. hes just talking out of his ass. Why would i take political advice from a fat kid wearing a simpsons shirt.

[ArekExcelsior2]

Why would you take "political advice" from a 13 year old? It's not "political advice"; that whole phrase indicates what's fucked up about American democracy. It says that politics is something you turn to smart people for and listen to. You should take political "arguments" from ANYONE, Krohn, myself, etc., at the value of the reasoning offered. My reasoning is better than Krohn's, so you should accept my argument. Not hard.

[kmac1959]

Wow. No doubt you voted for the Obamination and think you did the right thing. Who are you to criticize Krohn? I see is a barefoot hand waver, with a Bart Simpson shirt under a leather jacket, who has a hard time looking at the camera. Real stylish left-winger. Perhaps you can't look at us because you're busy watching creepy crawlies in your filthy room. While there's no shiny things to distract them - get those weirdo cult followers of yours to help you clean your frickin room.

[ArekExcelsior2]

Actually, I voted Green. Obama is a deeply flawed candidate, though not for the reasons you noted. Also, try looking consistently for six minutes into a tiny handheld camera and not instinctively making eye contact with the director or other people watching - not easy.

It's amazing that you still can't reply to a single damn ARGUMENT I make. Nope, it's insulting my choice of dress, as if you were Kate Moss or something. Grow up and learn what "ad hominem" means.

[clinicalthinker]

I didn't mention a lot of things that the government has done. Some of them good some of them bad. I am not going to argue trivia here ad nauseam with you.

You seem to think principles are no requirement for politicians.

The basic message Krohn was trying to impart was it is the first requirement for those who govern.

To many of us it the first requirement for society PERIOD. Clearly that flew over your head at mach.

Surprising? NO!

[ArekExcelsior2]

Apparently, you still can't actually listen to or reply to arguments made rather than fictions you generate.

I don't deny that principles are important, not in the video and not anywhere. What I deny is that a) Republicans have a monopoly on principles (they don't, they have a dearth of them) and b) that principles aren't the ONLY thing that matters for making policy, like Krohn ACTUALLY SAID.

Also, COINTELPRO wasn't "trivia", you apologist dolt. WATERGATE was trivia in comparison.

[ArekExcelsior2]

You can assume what Krohn's "basic message" was all you want, but I was replying to his literal WORDS, being charitable enough to assume that he said what he meant. How funny, and demeaning, that you feel you have to explain his viewpoints for him.

The real point, of course, is that Republicans and their ilk have routinely demonstrated that they flout every principle they claim to uphold. So I agree that principles are requirements for politicians. Apparently, you don't ACTUALLY hold this view.

[ArekExcelsior2]

What's especially interesting, and exposes you as an apologist for tyranny and war crimes, is that you only try to say that Newton was shot in a drug deal. You don't deny that the government did horrible things in COINTELPRO, so you concede my point in even bringing it up, and you don't deny that the government can't be trusted with the capacity to violate the Constitution. All you want to do is cast aspersions on Black Panthers and black people, rather than having serious discussion.

[clinicalthinker]

I make no apology for anything the government does.

I deal in facts. The government has done good and bad since the beginning of time. There is cover up, conspiracy, propaganda and a whole lot more.

A POINT ... I have been around 44 years longer than you. Have up close and personal seen/experienced more than you. Does that give me an edge over whatever your perspective might be? YOU BET!

You can like that reality or not.

You would be wise to accept it without argument.

[ArekExcelsior2]

The question is, why? Why would you not apologize for assassination and monitoring? Saying that they always happen is a cop-out: DO something about it.

And, no, being around for 44 years longer than anyone else does not make your VALUE argument that we should ignore the crime of the state any more compelling. Chomsky is even older than you and disagrees, as is Murray Bookchin. And in turn, by your maxim, I'd be right and Krohn wrong. Try being consistent.

[clinicalthinker]

"I" should apologize why? I am suppose to be concerned whether Chomsky or Bookchin agree with me or do not?

Here is where my 44 extra years trumps you my boy. I lived through the horrors of what we dug up in WWII

Nazism, Communism, Socialism nor Libertarian socialism work for me and if you were a little bit older/experienced you would understand they DON'T/WON'T work for you either.

Someone has to have the guts to pay the bills and save your ass in a fight.

[ArekExcelsior2]

No, you should be concerned about whether or not you have the intellectual honesty to have viewpoints you actually BELIEVE. You know, "principle" and all that.

And I lived through 9/11 and those horrors. Man, I must be so much better than you.

World War II said NOTHING about libertarian socialism, as the fact that Chomsky, Albert, Bookchin, etc. argue it proves. Every time I bring them up, you retreat from the argument because you KNOW it proves you're full of it.

[clinicalthinker]

Do you have a thought of your own or are you simply "polly parrot" for things stuffed into your cranium?

When I went to school the lessons we learned were "think for yourself" ... "be a leader".

Clearly that education got lost in the scuffle during your time.

You are a follower! It's TOOLS like you that strap on bombs and walk into cafe's for 100 virgins.

The likes of you are simply part of a TOOL KIT used by Chomsky and Bookchin to inflate their own tiny egos.

[clinicalthinker]

Chomsky and Bookchin were/are FAILURES in the real world? Should they gain any authority they would be done with the likes of you and you would find yourself against some wall with 9 kalishnikovs pointed your direction while being called "useful idiots" by your educators.

911? Add that to my resume ... I still trump you 44 years.

No you do not make me angry you actually make me a little sorry for you but most of all you make me laugh out loud.

[ArekExcelsior2]

Oh, and by the way: You claim to have superior emotional maturity, but this flies in the face of one fact - you don't. You've let someone one third your age cause you to get irrationally angry, abusive and impolite. Act like the grownup you claim to be and you might get more respect on t3h interwebz.

[clinicalthinker]

Get more respect from t3h interwebz.? ROFLMAO

WOW that's high on my priority list of things to achieve in life.

That's your interest in life my child not mine :)

You consider what I have said to you is irrationally angry, abusive and impolite ... boo frigging hoo.

Toughen up my boy if you want to play in an adult world. What I have said is nothing compared to what I could have said and been dead on accurate.

I don't think I called you a dolt did I? Your tactic I believe :)

[clinicalthinker]

Wake up. Newton was not assassinated he was shot in a drug deal gone bad. Not as romantic as your innuendo that the FBI was involved I know. I find that a little disingenuous don't you?

Don't you find it a little foolish to try and argue who has more brain cells?

I blew your own argument about 13 to 23 with the 23 to 67 no matter how you slice it or how many more of less brain cells you THINK I might or might not have. NONE OF THIS has anything to do with emotion.

[ArekExcelsior2]

No, he was assassinated. Period. There is no serious historical analysis that denies this.

Of course I find it TREMENDOUSLY foolish to argue who has more brain cells, or age, or emotional maturity. Among ADULTS. That was my point. It apparently "flew over your head", to borrow your terminology. How ironic.

You're right, none of this has to do with emotion. It has to do with the emotional maturity to independently and critically analyze evidence. That's hard to find at 13. Not 23 or 67. Done.

[ArekExcelsior2]

I apologize, when you brought up Huey Newton I was being charitable enough to you to assume that you meant Fred Hampton (since the alternative would be worse). Fred Hampton was assassinated, period. The circumstances around NEWTON'S death are still a mystery.

Note what this means. It means that when I brought up COINTELPRO and the assassination of Hampton, you thought it was relevant to say that Huey Newton was a bad person! As if HIS crimes justified the assassination of Hampton! Please.

[ArekExcelsior2]

You and I may disagree about Huey Newton and Bobby Seale's character. But whatever Huey Newton's crimes, he didn't deserve to be assassinated. I also find it funny that you don't mention the burglarizing and assaults on the SWP - as if you didn't know what you were talking about, either, and just picked the example you did know to make a silly and abusive argument.

Citing a real historical event and making an argument from it is in no way like saying that conservatism just IS these four things.

[sk16x]

ummm....dude....clean your fucking house..

[ArekExcelsior2]

I second that motion :D .

[ArekExcelsior2]

The Patriot Act was formed to empower elites to monitor groups they don't like. You disagree with this conclusion, but offer no evidence. Consider this: If the PATRIOT Act was designed to protect us from 9/11, why did they use it to monitor PEACE groups? Why did they use it to illegally monitor and imprison Muslim activists who are a possible way to have PEACE with Muslim communities?

[clinicalthinker]

COINTELPRO? I was around during the time of Huey Newton and Bobby Seale ... YOU WERE NOT! These guys would slit your throat in a dark alley in a flat NY minute. It makes you look foolish to try and discuss something you know absolutely nothing about. Your silly prattle is no better than what you condemn Krohn and those who applaud him of. By the way I know wikipedia is a favorite source for the young. Anyone can write it therefore its basically meaningless. You know that right?

[ArekExcelsior2]

And you weren't around during the American Revolution or during the Civil War, yet I doubt that you let that stop you from making arguments. How convenient.

Incidentally, I didn't LEARN about Cointelpro from Wikipedia. I learned about it from scholarly sources. I direct people there because it's a good place to begin. And "anyone" can write the Encyclopedia Britannica; in fact, plenty of folks who I am sure you disagree with ideologically, like Tim Wise, have written Britannica articles.

[ArekExcelsior2]

You also fail to reply to my POINT about COINTELPRO: The federal government has proven, on more than one occasion, that it can't be trusted with the power to violate the law and the Constitution. Given that this is the REASON for the Constitution and matches the Founding Fathers' CONSERVATIVE warnings about tyranny, one would think you would accept this argument. But, of course, you don't, because intellectual honesty and consistency is apparently alien to you.

[PMAC232]

Ok no one is saying let him be the spokesperson for the conservative movement back the fuck off

You are responding 2 a 13 year old kid who in a political debate would kick the shit out of you

The patriot act was formed to protect the American citizens so we would never have another nine eleven like event.

If you don't have anything 2 hide you shouldn't be offened

[ArekExcelsior2]

I wasn't saying he should be the spokesperson for the conservative movement. I was saying that the fact that he IS speaking at CPAC, in front of hundreds of presumably college-educated adults, shows the bankruptcy of the movement.

Considering that Krohn has never replied to the type of arguments I air, nor have any of his supporters here so far, I wonder how you intuit that this kid would beat the crap out of me in a debate.

The PATRIOT Act was formed to aggrandize state power.

[ArekExcelsior2]

But, like most of the neo-con tools here, you miss the point. You may approve of the Patriot Act, but if you do so, YOU DON'T HAVE RESPECT FOR THE US CONSTITUTION. THAT was my argument. Like I made clear in the video and the accompanying blog post, you can support all sorts of conservative policies, but you CANNOT do so if you honestly buy Krohn's viewpoints.

[ArekExcelsior2]

Oh, and in fact, like everyone else I DO have something to hide: My private life, whether it's to be able to shower, make love or go to the bathroom in peace without the Gestapo watching me.

Peace groups have the right to meet, protected by the First Amendment, without cops putting undercover agent provocateurs into our movement. Wikipedia something called "COINTELPRO". The FBI assassinated Black Panthers. Maybe you'll understand why people are a bit sketchy of the US government's motives.

[bashia]

Only reason he'd kick the shit out of me is because he talks right through, doesn't listen and responds with disgust and derision to reasonable arguments that contradict his rhetoric

[ArekExcelsior2]

Are you referring to Krohn or myself? In the former case, I don't think that's an accurate depiction: Krohn seems to be relatively even-keeled. In the latter case, I can just say that I respond with derision and disgust to people who decide to lower the standard of discussion with ad hominem attacks, non sequiturs and apologia for war crimes. Make a reasonable argument or question and I'd reply to it recently.

[bashia]

I heard a Thom Hartmann interview of Jonathon. Thom was very polite and well informed and Jonathon often interuppted and replied with derision.

[ArekExcelsior2]

Oh, okay. Well, that may be the case, but this is politics. There's plenty of adults who do exactly that, and they don't have the excuse that this is that much more difficult for someone at that age. People's emotions get inflamed, but his apparent capacity to be calm and even gregarious in a lot of interviews isn't a terrible thing.

[fakertonmcfakeface]

After that test came back positive I would go on a diet and then commit suicide. After a harsh diet I assume someone would be able to shove my corpse into an oversize coffin.

The obnoxious clamour of your dullard friends does little benefit to your "argument". Argument being in quotes there because I am not sure the hodgepodge of poorly thought out lexical vomit you spew would actually be considered an argument.

In sum the world would be better if you were ground into dog food.

[ArekExcelsior2]

Since, of course, tests for mental retardation are basically drug tests. If it's purple, you're retarded! Idiot.

If I were arguing that clapping made my argument better, your position would be correct. As it is, it's just another ad hominem. How funny that you said that Krohn's personal traits don't make him wrong. What's the word for someone who does something opposed to what they preach? Ah, right, a "hypocrite".

An argument is any claim that has been made. So I make them. You don't.

[fakertonmcfakeface]

I guess you would know better than I about how tests for retardation work.

I am not arguing anything fatty, I am just criticising you. That is why I am not a hypocrite for pointing out both your faulty logic and your glaring personal flaws. Those being, that you are overweight, ugly, immature and stupid.

I am not claiming that your personal "traits" (flaws) make you wrong either. I am just saying A) That you are wrong and B) That you look like a pathetic loser.

[ArekExcelsior2]

See, that's what I mean by ad hominem. Implying that I'm retarded doesn't mean that conservatives have respect for the Constitution. The two aren't even in the same logical UNIVERSE.

And that personal assault is WHY you're a hypocrite, and therefore a moronic flaming a-hole who no one in their right mind would love. Because you're getting mad based on what I said to Krohn. Oh, and you did TRY to make arguments, so you're also a liar. How fun is it to be a liar with no life trolling YouTube?

[ArekExcelsior2]

I should also note that, like all the other tools responding to this video, your understanding of my "argument" ended roughly around 3 minutes in, since you didn't reply to my point about respect for the Constitution, or how redefining an intellectual movement runs afoul of the fact that real people held the ideas you're trying to define out of existence. But that's unsurprising: It seems that you have the memory of a goldfish.

[clinicalthinker]

Certainly you do not suggest the present administration has respect for the Constitution? Our esteemed leader fails to turn over all records to prove his eligibility as "natural born citizen". Please don't respond with the rhetoric of he already has. Do the research yourself by digging into the constitution on your own. Hopefully you did not fail reading comprehension 101 in your educational establishment of choice.

[ArekExcelsior2]

Which would only make my point even clearer, Clinical: NO ONE in the present political spectrum, "liberal" or "conservative", has respect for the Constitution. (Also, he has no need to do so. His opponents need to disprove that he's a naturalized citizen. Which he is. But there are better examples of Obama's contempt for democracy and the Constitution). You show that you can't make or comprehend arguments when you make non sequiturs like this.

[fakertonmcfakeface]

Wow, isn't it weird how nobody understands your brilliant argument? We must all be wrong! How stupid of us not to interpret your brilliance correctly!

Everyone is completely wrong except you!!!!

What obnoxious hubris on your part. We understand your argument fully, if you opened your mind and raised your IQ by about 50 points you could understand ours too.

[ArekExcelsior2]

Actually, that's fairly common. Flamers routinely don't listen, don't like what people have to say, and just say abusive things to lower the level of discourse. It's not that I think I'm beyond reproach - I have replied to EVERY substantive argument EVERY ONE of you have made with my own reasoning. You have yet to do so in turn. Indicating not only that you have no respect, no politeness and no class (weird for conservatives), but also no intellectual honesty. You're flamers. Period.

[fakertonmcfakeface]

Tip: While criticising someone like Krohn for being immature it would help if you yourself were not wearing a shirt featuring cartoon characters.

Krohn says that principle should motivate policy. You make a terrible error when you try to point out that principle does not always motivate policy. Krohn is not saying that principle ALWAYS motivates policy he is saying that is how things SHOULD be done. If I were you I would have a medical test done to see if I was legally retarded.

[ArekExcelsior2]

So, the fact that I am wearing a T-shirt featuring The Simpsons, a show beloved for its cogent and ribald political satire, means that my positions are wrong?

Krohn may have MEANT that, but it's not what he said. He literally said that that's what OCCURS. I corrected him. You conceded the point. 1-0, ArekExcelsior v. Morone.

Also, for someone who makes offensive allegations that insult millions of people suffering from mental disabilities, you are ironically incapable of using commas.

[fakertonmcfakeface]

Note the differences between you and Krohn.

Krohn: In a suit, in front of hundreds of well dressed men and women discussing the subject of his recent book.

You: low quality, messy dorm room and dressed like a particularly overweight homeless child jealously whining about how people should pay more attention to you than that pesky thirteen year old! ("He is only 13" you cry!.)

Who seems less mature?

Also, if you can't understand Krohn's arguments that is your fault not his.

[ArekExcelsior2]

So his argument is better because he has a suit on?

Man, I bet you love Obama, Chomsky, left-wing debaters, and everyone on the left who dresses up.

Oh, wait, you don't, so you're a liar.

[fakertonmcfakeface]

Dear fatass,

Your argument is comically malformed and evinces a trait that could be best described as a mental handicap on your part.

You seem to suggest that "adults" should not listen to Krohn because he is young. The distinction between adults and children is utterly arbitrary. It would be absurd to discount ideas based upon the age of the man who comes up with them. When you criticise Krohn for his age you commit ad hominem fallacy. in addition to being close minded.

[ArekExcelsior2]

Have you ever MET someone with a real mental disability? Or do you just like to take advantage of their suffering to make ad hominem attacks ?

Yes, the distinction between adults and children is arbitrary. Children can have kids and have fully formed brains. What's this "puberty" crap?

If you could pay attention long enough to read a blog post or listen to arguments, you'd know I was saying not that Krohn's age makes him wrong but that adults should have someone better to listen to.

[fakertonmcfakeface]

Ohhhhhh Krohn's ideas are wrong because he hasn't hit puberty! Got it, thanks for clearing that up tubby. Nobody should listen to the kid because his balls haven't dropped yet, got it!

End Sarcasm.

As I said before the biological attributes of a human neither strengthen nor weaken the arguments posited by that human. Why do you keep refering to Krohn's age? It, like you, is irrelevant.

It would be like if I discounted everything you say just because you are obeese.

[ArekExcelsior2]

No, we should be SKEPTICAL about Krohn's arguments because of his puberty. We should REJECT them because they're wrong. (And, again, you're a hypocrite).

Also, it's spelled "obeese", you moronic troll. Really, do you have anything better to do? I'm replying in the hope of steering the conversation to something valuable. You've admitted you just want to score points against someone who you'll never meet. What a coward. Go home to Mommy.

[toanhn]

DATS RICE!

[piklener]

Nice video mate

[alligobbler]

Truth stands forever, regardless of its source. The age of the messenger is of no consequence. Your particular rambling is one of no substance. Words, just words.

[ArekExcelsior2]

Ironic given that your response to me is, well, no substance, just words, with no argument.

[brentrob5]

he's not going to have a normal childhood. i think that will mess him up later on in life. hopefully people are just humoring him and not actually looking to a fourteen year old for advice. and god edit the clapping out

[ArekExcelsior2]

I wish the clapping WAS edited out, but I didn't make the video, just spoke for it. As far as its impacts on him: I just hope he doesn't get pigeonholed as a conservative his whole life because of his commendable act of learning something and becoming politicized at an early age.

[fishinfun10]

you idiot you don't have the brain to understand what Jonathan Krohn is actually saying... that really sad. How old are you?

[ArekExcelsior2]

23, and I replied to his argument with cogent points. You threw around insults, or "ad hominems". If you review your elementary logic, you'll find that ad hominem attacks (e.g. calling your opponent an idiot) are by definition illogical and irrational because they can only EVER purport to say something about the speaker, not the argument being spoken.

[aristottlesdeathwish]

hahaha so true. He knows nothing; just the same rhetoric that is spewed out over and over again.

[Shmilfke]

idiot the kid knows more than you'll ever know

[ArekExcelsior2]

Yeah, I'm sure a 13 year old has more emotional maturity, more depth of character, more life experience than someone 10 years his senior.

[clinicalthinker]

That puts you at 23? I'm sure 67 trumps 23 by quantum emotional maturity, more depth of character and experience. What do you say? I bet a his age you were playing with tinker toys still right? I am sure you get the point without me having to actually point it out :)

[ArekExcelsior2]

Actually, I don't. 23 and 67 are both adults. Yes, 67 has more emotional maturity, but there is no serious brain or physical growth for me left to do. (In fact, YOU are losing brain cells, so if anything I'm in the exact right age).

The fact that you honestly are saying that 13 and 23 is the same as 23 and 67 really begs how honest and serious you are. And, no, at his age I was also educated, and making political arguments, which you'd know if you read the blog post. How funny that you didn't.

[SongofDeath007]

There are plenty of studies that show people do not have fully developed brains untill their early 30's.

A 67 year old loosing brain cells could still have much more intelect then you (same with a developing 14 year old).

[ArekExcelsior2]

Also, I should point out that you used an emoticon, which many would argue is a de facto sign of immaturity. The irony when juxtaposed with the ad hominem assaults is especially delicious.

[SongofDeath007]

did you notice all the emotion you showed in your video? How funny that you didn't.

[SongofDeath007]

i bet he does

[SuperSaiyanLe]

DaTz RiCE !!!