Morning after first Ayahuasca ceremony (Sept 18, 2010)

[bmxjon1]

i want to be a man

[HardstyleRhythm]

are you hank from callifornication?

[lifeseeker51]

If one is involved in shamanic ceremonies,where one takes a strong hallucinogen to receive enlightenment.One is flirting with disaster.There is a God.The God of the Hebrew prophets is God.There is also a devil.It is the devil one seeks through sorcery.There is no truth in him.You are being led astray.If one stays on this path that you have chosen,to the end. One's destruction is certain.

[wolfmoon2682]

@lifeseeker51 go away! no one here wants any of what your selling! We were already where you are and have long since moved on friend, best of luck to you.

[lifeseeker51]

@wolfmoon2682 I do not think that you have ever been where I am.I have been where you are though.I'm an old doper.I know the mindset.If one is looking for God with drugs,one is wasting his or her time.God is not approached in this manner.That other guy.Satan. He encourages drug use for recreation and enlightenment.The truth is not in him.

[MSBGold1]

@lifeseeker51 The Church's goal is to maintain its monopoly as intermediary between the masses and the Divine. So, in conjunction with the State, it sets out to increase its domination of consciousness by crushing, demonizing and marginalizing all spiritual paths that it deems threatening to its power. "Sorcery" is a scary word that that's used as propaganda to smear the "competition." I contend that your average televangelist is more manipulative and demonic than any rainforest shaman.

[lifeseeker51]

@MSBGold1 You may be surprised to find that I totally agree with most of what you say.God is very approachable.Certainly no church is required to mediate.God wants a one on one relationship with us.The desire for power is a satanic trait.Those that preach the gospel for power and money do not represent Christianity.So, you are right about them.Still,sorcery is forbidden.God will not suffer the worship of other gods,with or without drugs.

[Lunartrek]

@lifeseeker51 He did nothing more than to drink a brew made from plants from the Earth. God's Earth or whatever, right? The ceremonies themselves consist of stages like fasting (Christians do that), also there is purging to cleanse the body (Sound Christian?) in preparation for the final stage which is a spirit journey wherein the participant has visions of a spiritual nature (Christians do that as well).

DMT is present in all living things. This is not evil. You are misguided.

[lifeseeker51]

@Lunartrek What is and is not permitted by God is the venue of God.We can literally rationalise anything.An ayahusca ceremoy is both idolitry and sorcery,because it seeks communion with spirits other than God through the use of drugs.It is therefore not comparable to Christianity.

[Lunartrek]

@lifeseeker51 Wait, didn't Jesus consult with the dead in Matthew 17:1? That was Moses and Elijah, correct? See, you don't even understand the true history of the Bible and its mystic roots. You take what you are given and you never question it. Seek and you shall find, right? But wallow in ignorance and you just come across like an ass.

[lifeseeker51]

@Lunartrek The dead are in hell.Moses and Elijah were obedient to God and are alive with Gods blessing.Of course there are spirit beings which are either good or evil.I'm simply saying that the spirits one seeks through drug use are satanic.They are actually representatives of satan.One can become possessed by them.

[Lunartrek]

@lifeseeker51 Ever tried any of these "drugs"?

Moses died, he wasn't taken up in a "chariot of fire" like Elijah.

More importantly, what do you know about what others seek within various rituals or so-called mind expansion practices? Myself and many others seek to see more deeply into our own minds and souls and your words from from a series of books written by callous and fearful men does not trump my experience. As for Jesus, I don't disagree with any of his words. He was a beautiful man.

[lifeseeker51]

@Lunartrek Jesus is the word of God made flesh.Literally, God with us.He came in the flesh, to give us His gospel and to give us a perfect example of living it.He, being perfect,was a worthy sacrifice for the sins of all humanity.There is no salvation through any other.Certainly,none of the devils one might meet during an ayauasca ceremony can save one.They cannot even save themselves.Do not be deceived.You are flirting with disaster.

[Lunartrek]

@lifeseeker51 You guys always use the same lines. You're like Republicans on a stage. :-/

That's not an argument. " there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it." You can mutilate your flesh for spirituality, but oh boy, better not touch the mind.

I'm sorry, but I take his words to mean that for those who can accept the manner in which one seeks heaven, let them accept it. Save your fear for yourself

[lifeseeker51]

@Lunartrek We are talking about spirituality here,not politics.God is not open minded about the worship of other gods.That in essence is what one does when one uses ayauasca .He or she is seeking enlightenment from spirit beings other than God through the use of a strong hallucinogen.It is idolitry and sorcery.Heaven is not accessable through this means.However,hell is.

[Lunartrek]

@lifeseeker51 Well, your view of spirituality and God is as limited as you suggest that God is so I can understand your trepidation on such topics. I think, however, that you do not realize the true nature of Ayahuasca, but it doesn't matter because you're not here for an honest conversation, your cup is full and has no room for it. No, you're here to preach. Trouble is, we're not all sheep for your way and this is not a pulpit. Your promises of hell do not frighten me. You do not know me.

[lifeseeker51]

@Lunartrek The Path to eternal life is narrow.Therefore the message concerning it is also narrow.You are the one that doesn't understand the true nature of the drug you are taking.It's obvious to me.I'm not preaching.Just warning.On some level you know the truth of what I'm saying.

[Lunartrek]

@lifeseeker51 And you do not know my path nor where it will lead. You are no prophet, and the truth that is prepared for me is not in you. Maybe you have your truth and maybe it is all you will ever need in the short time you have. The limits you feel the need to implement in your existence, however, are your own and no one else's. You can never change hearts with a holy war. You can only turn them away.

[lifeseeker51]

@Lunartrek Limits are placed on us by God.If we are wise we will obey them.They are here for our own good. Believe me when I tell you that I was a determined non believer.I placed no limits on my behavior.I counted no costs.If I can come to Jesus,anyone can.It happened by it's self.No one was witnessing to me at the time.Shur,people hate the message.That does not keep them from hearing it.God cannot be got rid of.His truth is in us if we will hear it.

[Lunartrek]

@lifeseeker51 No. That is not what I believe at all. Limits were placed on us by men. Men who saw these practices out of context or without understanding and, as such, feared them. These men also had authority over the minds of others and exercised it. I believe religion arose from such practices and I know from experience that there is wisdom to be gained from such experiences. What a person gets out of something is wholly up to them and their direction in life and in the practice.

[lifeseeker51]

@Lunartrek Is what you do not religion?How is your belife system superior to that set out by God?The times are changing.God is the cause.He does it to show an unbelieving world that He is God.The worship of the true God was not and is not done through drug use.We've come full circle.Out of the jungle,we embraced God.Then,denied Him and now we have appearantly returned to the jungle.Where we drink a vile concoction in a spirit quest.Amazing.

[Lunartrek]

@lifeseeker51 Moreover, I do not feel that my ways are superior, I leave that to Bible thumpers, I simply feel that my way is my own and my walk with the spirit of life is my own walk and beyond the judgment of other people because they do not know enough of me to see anything clearly. My life will be judged justly, in the end, and it won't be yours or anyone else's perspective or doctrine that I am judged by. I do not fear plants just as Jesus did not fear wine. Perspective. Be as you will.

[lifeseeker51]

@Lunartrek We like to think that we are unique individuals.That our views are not given to us by any other.All humanity seeks God.However, the truth that He gives us is hard to swallow.Usually,we react by changing gods.We then serve a god that says "do what thou wilt is the whole of the law".That god is leading us to hell and we go there gladly.

[Lunartrek]

@lifeseeker51 Man, you're so afraid, it's hard to discuss this with you. I really am happy for anyone that finds solace and a means to live peacefully and well through religious indoctrination, but I am not among them. I have not "changed gods", I simply believe there is more than what power hungry men had in mind when they wrote the books of the Bible. They were afraid of all differences. That's no God I believe in. I don't do whatever I want either. I live with compassion and love for others.

[lifeseeker51]

@LunartrekGod created the universe.Everything in it is in His control. You know if you read the bible with faith,you realise that It does not have anything in it that would cause one to think of his or herself as powerful.Instead we see this life as a testing ground.First to see if we will seek and embrace the only teacher of truth that there is.Then to see if we will do as He directs.

[lifeseeker51]

@lifeseeker51 Just for the record,I am not part of some brick and morter diocees with man made dogma.Full of idolitry and spewing a twisted gospel of hatred. I am not collecting souls for my own use.The purpose of Christianity is to bring souls to Jesus.Once one has placed his or her hand in His,our job is finished.We are just witnesses for Jesus.For the truth.We are warned not to think we are righteous or powerful.That is the domain of God.

[Lunartrek]

@lifeseeker51 I know that there is nothing of Ayahuasca that is not already within me. DMT is no demon channel. We use it when we dream, we binge on it when we are born and again the moment we die. It is created when we metabolize. All life contains it.

Look, I am glad that you have found something that brings you peace, but We are held accountable to that which we believe. My beliefs take me elsewhere and cryptic scripture that is almost always misinterpreted is not among those beliefs.

[lifeseeker51]

@Lunartrek Yes ayahauasca is a demon channel.On some level you know it.This life is so short,but it does have a purpose.We have only this brief period to seek God and get straightened out with Him.Failure to do this causes the worst imaginable calamity one can suffer.Do not think you will judge God.Only Jesus saves.

[Lunartrek]

@lifeseeker51 More to the point, I know that the Bible itself has been drastically altered and censored through many ages of frightened and power-hungry men. They capitalized on peoples' fear of death and the fear of the mystery of what happens, if anything, after we die. There is too much contradiction in the interpretations and too much double standard between the professed ideals and the omitted texts. God does not place limits on me, he desires me to learn with wonder and in peace.

[lifeseeker51]

@Lunartrek Actually,the bible has changed very little,until just recently.It was not the bible that caused belief in me.Instead it was the affairs of the world which perfectly resemble prophesy.I watched in amazement,while a reputed 18 men caused the U.S. to completely discard it's constitution.I see that Isreal is indeed a cup of trembling to the world.God is showing His hand.Pay attention.

[Lunartrek]

@lifeseeker51 It has changed a great deal through omitted texts, verse, many many translations, and a complete reordering of the books themselves as well as censoring therein. You claim it is a "demon channel", but I do not see it that way at all and your insistence to the contrary is rather condescending. I do not judge God, I judge the works of man. I'm a rather Agnostic Theist, see? I do not believe there is much of God in the Bible and what I practice is spirituality not religion.

[lifeseeker51]

@Lunartrek Agnostic theist is a religion who's supplicants all live according to their own will.It does not offer salvation.

[Lunartrek]

@lifeseeker51 And Agnostic Theism is not at all a religion of its own. There is no church that I attend nor weekly meeting via bbc chat boards, forums, or meeting halls. There is no indoctrination. There was simply a conscious recognition that we can't truly know any such thing as whether or not there is a God, we can only choose to believe or not. Religion often seems as nothing more than a means to more judgment of others. I see little value in it. Most Christians aren't "Christ-like" at all.

[lifeseeker51]

@Lunartrek Again,I am not judging.I am fully capable of any and all evil deeds.You name it and on some level,I have shurly done it.It's just that I was headed for hell.I have been shown a way out of hell.In turn I show others.Your agnostic theism has caused you to be involved with a drug fueled sorcery religion.You are looking to it for answers. You are in the grip of satan and you need to be aware of it.One is not saved through good deeds.Faith in Jesus saves.

[Mavericks411991]

Mushrooms changed my life as well. I turned into Jesus Christ.

[jpbortoluzzi]

Ayahuasca = Chacrona (Banisteriopsis caapi) with Mariri (Psicotria viridis). I think that everyone should at least have one experience with this. I was in a cult here in Brazil and experienced Ayahuasca for 3 months. I can say that, with my experience, i began to look our universe like in truth it really is, the real deal, that i didn´t see before. Then it started to make sence that Jesus tell us that he is the only truth, everyone should see for itself. Light, Peace and love. "Luz, paz e amor".

[Lunartrek]

@jpbortoluzzi Well, Ayahuasca has several different mixtures, really because it is not solely of one culture. In many other places a careful and potent mixture of DMT and an MAOI has been extracted through various plants and seeds.

As to the rest of what you say, maybe everyone should, but I do not believe that everyone is ready for such an experience. Many are unable to free themselves from the hunter's snare and you can't force this on someone. They have to choose it.

Love and peace. :-)

[towerofrebel]

thank you for sharing your spiritual journey with us

[Lunartrek]

@Xenomorphentation Well, that can be true, but it depends on what you are having the bad trip on i.e. what drug you have taken.

In the case of Ayahuasca, I think you are probably correct. Nearly all testimonials speak of the liberating qualities of having faced their own fears and their own mortality. Likely horrifying at the time, but cleansing in the end. This is why it can never be recreational, only life-changing.

[lemmyliquor]

My pal and I used to do bowl after bowl of 30x salvia... we would re-load for eachother until the cycle broke down. It was cool.... I learned the lessons and put the book back on the shelf. I know where to find that experience if I need it again.

[SpirituaLee]

salvia is nothing like Ayahuasca. and both should be done properly with an experienced shaman for best results.

[Repulver]

what's the difference between Ajahuasca and LSD ?

[TheVechto]

@Repulver Ayahuasca is more powerful than LSD, and it have bond with your soul, ego, karma....lsd is only a trip...Ayahuasca is same as astral projection or something like that...but i preffer salvium divinorum...it´s more comfortable to buy it here in Europe than this...experience is based like on ayahuasca, but not that strong and long...it s a legend, that if you have bad karma, you can possibly die on this...it s something like God´s mills...

[N00BSTERat]

@TheVechto salvia divinorum is the "most" powerful natural psycedelic plant on ur planet.Sublingual(plain leaf)

Light 10 g fresh / 2 g dried

Common 30 g fresh / 6 g dried

Strong 50 g fresh / 10 g dried

Onset : 10-20 minutes

Duration : 30-90 minutes

[towerofrebel]

@Repulver great question. the vechto just answered it for you :) one unlocks your pineal gland, the other messes with your serotonin and lets you manipulate/control reality (according to you)

[cayapo]

holyyyyy fuck.... loooooooooooooool

[SpirituaLee]

btw... i'm off to the spirit world tomorrow night... see you on the other side... cheers

[FlatBeat88]

@linktip  what does it say about your character that you feel the need to talk negatively on a random person?What is it inside of you that makes you pass judegment on a fellow human being?

[SpirituaLee]

the "where can i get this stuff" comment makes me weary... this is very powerful sacred medicine. it MUST be respected. not taken like a handful of mushrooms. it will find YOU. if, and when, you are ready.

[alliant]

@SpirituaLee

I think mushrooms must be respected too. psilocybin can be very powerful.

as for the substance finding you...I understand you, and agree, to an extent. there are marvellous synchronicities at work here - but you have to keep an active eye out, and sometimes actively find the substance. this effort, if genuine, seems to attract the positive spirits/vibes/states.

[SpirituaLee]

@alliant I couldn't agree more. i think that goes across the board. mushrooms, cocaine, marijuana, salvia divinorum, anamita muscaria, peyote etc etc... all sacred medicines must be respected. my point was none of these substances should be taken without reverence... as some kind of party favor... that is one of the biggest mistakes in western culture. most people fail to see the significance and true power of these medicines. that's how the 60's kind of skewed peoples perceptions of entheogens.

[TxNormlmembr19]

@alliant or just grow them. its pretty damn easy.

[thisismyusernamemr]

@SpirituaLee a handfull of mushrroms is very powerful sacred medicine, too. I've never done ayahuasca, so I cannot compare. But please, don't make it sound like mushrooms are a party drug. Mushrooms changed my life.

[iamaEye]

@thisismyusernamemr

the power of even the lightest of psychoactives.. and shrooms are nowhere near that lighter side... so to speak lol.. but many things can change your life and the way you think. even a relaxing tea.. and already your mind is experiencing new and better possibilities of thinking and therefore anything!

[watsuanmokksha]

illumination of the ego ~ yes absolutely transformative purgative explorative healing ritual ~ remember - enlightenment does not require support from a plant ally as the only barrier to true enlightenment is self identification - when you are genuinely awakened the whole of existence rejoices with you - enlightenment requires no declaration

[rey777777]

@watsuanmokksha "enlightenment requires no declaration" ...great; can u explain a lil'bit pls?

[watsuanmokksha]

@rey777777 ~ according to the vedas and mystics - when an individual attains a totally conscious and aware state of being the presence becomes so profound that every other creature within proximity of the radiant aura rejoices with bliss - birds , animals , people and plants dance and sing intuitively and miracles happen - just like they did around saints like st. patrick of assisi - the feeling and experience is beyond love - as words alone become insufficient and meaningless hence ineffable

[wolfmoon2682]

@watsuanmokksha DEEP MAN! i like that! it makes a lot of sense!

[Thewestcoastshooter]

Wow.. very similar to they way i felt the next day and for a while after... funny how the intensity of the experience fades away like the memory of a dream... such an unbelievable experience.

[andrefreakincreator]

Hi Aaron,

where the ceremony took place?

[smivloc]

Whats great, is we all feel this the following morning after drinking the vine. I have wanted to document it, call my Wife, hug my kids...The love you get form it is Unreal. Its the hardest thing to explain to others. Thank You Aaron for sharing such an intimate moment with the world.. I know how you were feeling, I have been where you went..It only gets better Brother. Enjoy. maybe one day we will be in ceremony together.

[elliottsongs]

Yes! :)

[TheLoryMoore]

Blessings on you Aaron. Please know that you are surrounded in love and prayer and thoughts of peace and light. You were created for a special time and place, and I know it is taking your breath away to step fully into the experience. It is an honor to be in your world. I am so glad for you that you have someone to trust and share in the best and worst of times. It will be amazing to witness how your challenge prepares you to serve others even more deeply. Peace and love to you.

[Jeannekuntz]

Dear Aaron,

We haven't spoken for a while but I thought of you recently and lo and behold here you are. Thanks for trusting me with this most precious slice of your life. It reminds me of an experience I had when I was 18 that I have been seeking to recapture ever since. I am happy for you.

[frankierizzo1982]

My boyfreind is Amazing. Thanks for taking the time to document your expereince. I love how raw and real you are honey. It's beautiful!