Re: 124 Not Wiccan?

[heathenhearthwitch]

Great video response! Thank you for posting this. I hope it gives people some motivation to research themselves.

[TwistingWays]

Than you, that is why I am here :D

[wiccanchristopher]

that is only one sect of wicca wicca is in many forms gardinarian wiccans were the first to popularize wicca but not the first wicca we do not know the first sect of wicca it is one of the oldest religions wich was almost removed from the earth in the crusades but gardiner made the tradition for gardarian wiccans not the rest of us

[TwistingWays]

Do you have any proof of anything that you have just stated?

Wicca is only 50 years old, it is not an unbroken line of a religion that hid away from the Christians. Raymond Buckland created the corrupted form of wicca along with Scott Cunningham and others that did not understand this mystery religion.

[wiccaniall]

I would like to counsel citation because I noted a few things that didn't quite relate to anything I'd come across before. One such reference was to "cowan" which seems to be a masonic term for someone that is not initiated into Freemasonry.

Alex Sanders wasn't a member of Gardner's Coven to my knowledge. And he was crowned King of the Alexandrian Wiccans the title was misquoted in the media which himself and Gardner both courted.

[TwistingWays]

Gardner pulled much from Freemasonry. This is also speaking of British Traditional Witchcraft. Nothing in the New Age section ever talks about it, which I find shameful.

Alex Sanders was a member, then he broke away because of Gardner's problems with homosexuality.

[Shirotora1979]

Interesting vid. Think it would spark some discussion if more would see it since I know there are a lot who would disagree with you overall but I like how you present yourself and thoughts. Great Job.

[princessannikki]

Yes these are the laws of TBW - Gardner didn't call his religion Wicca, he called it Witchcraft. That's why I view Wicca as something quite distinct - a new religion, maybe call it the "outer circle" of the Wica.

[TwistingWays]

Well see, a lot of initiate Wiccans call their religion Wicca, with two c's. It is more proper to call them Children of the Wica, as Gardner called them. The thing is Wicca should be pronounced Wicha, but I don't know anyone that does that.

[princessannikki]

Yay you're back! Hooray! I tend to differentiate between Wicca (neowicca) and Wica (traditional british witchcraft) n_n

[witchalan77]

WOOHOO!! Someone who knows his stuff!

[TwistingWays]

I try :P

[Oberyn]

You should check out the Minoan Brotherhood. It's been called "gay Gardnerian." Sort of, kind of. :)

[TwistingWays]

Hm...interesting. I will have to check that out.

[TwistingWays]

They aren't Wicca. Says so on their site haha

[BingeBaebe]

beautifully spoken. Actually this was rewarding for me, because today at my school this girl was wearing a pentacle, and I asked her about it, she reliped with "An upside down pentacle is a symabl of devil-worshippers and the upward is the symbol of the wiccans! Blessed Be!" then threw me a peace sign and I was ready to gag..... but oh how delicious to hear your voice again! make more videos so I can send them to that girl's channel!

[TwistingWays]

Will do, hun. In hind-sight the inverted pentagram was used by people way before LeVayan used it. It just represents any horned god really.

A friend of mine worships Baphomet and wears a reversed one. I praise her for it :P

[BingeBaebe]

Well thats what hindered me! I wear an invertred one because to me it represeants the horned god, whom I refer by the many names, as well as the traditional association of receiving wisdom and power. and praise be to your friend! n_n

[TwistingWays]

Yeppers I will pass that along.

[princessannikki]

As far as I know the downward pentagram was the symbol of the second degree in Wica.

[TwistingWays]

This is correct, I believe. It was a symbol for spiritual change within the material self as well as the spiritual in many initiatory schools.