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omg, i think that MACs are crap bull sh*ts because there gayer than PC!!! even vista wasnt a success...why cant the world give us better computer stuff!!!
Okay, I think the secrecy in upgrades is a pretty cool thing. It can't be easy with a company that size to keep secrets. It's no fun if you know what is coming before it comes out. And also, as somebody said down there, upgrades and changes almost NEVER mean a price increace. Every time Apple has upgraded systems, they stay the same price, or decreace in price. The only exception I can think about is when they dropped the $499 Mac mini. But that was when they were switching all over to Intel.
i agree wit Squid7085 its hard to keep secretes in a company that huge and besides if the competition found out b4 the new stuff came out they would make either sumtin "better" or their own version of the new material then prices would really skyrocket and u'd actually have something to complain about sides macs kick ass ^-^ lol (just had to say that)
Mac are "gay?" What's more gay than getting fucked by Bill Gates repeatedly on a daily basis, or, maybe you're into that sort of thing. True empowerment & productivity? Go Ubuntu or Mac, pure & simple. Jobs can take my money, because he gives me MUCH more than what I pay for. Billy? He just wants your money. Don't slap lipstick on a man and call it a prom queen, Trans-Vista-Ites.
PC and Mac owner. The ONLY time I even dare to touch Windows is to play games. It is the one thing that Windows can actually do... some of the time. Mac or PC user, do what is best for yourself. Don't hate other people just because they are different.
up to now, i had only heard of the stuff microsoft is spreading on the web in order to make their »software« look some more equal than they actually are.
dude, i don't feel like explaining this 4 the, what, 1000th time! so i'll just put it in simple PC words. i have a pc & a mac, guess which one i use the most, its the mac. i don't feel like saying anything, so just be happy that you even have a computer. tell me when your pc breaks. lol.
yeah last time I checked alien ware made Pc's. people say that pcs suck but think about how much people pay for pcs on average and think about how much people pay for macs on average. if your going to get an expensive mac why not get an expensive pc thats way better?
Why get an expensive mac in the first place? For video editing? The internet? I can revamp my 4 year old XP with a GF8800 320mb, do all that and spend 300 bucks total. Maybe thats why the biggest share of Mac users are over 60 years of age.
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when apple releases updated products.... they don't upcharge... they update the components to make the product competitive. You should know that mikey ;)
You STILL haven't shown me why a 2.66 Woodcrest is better than even a 3.2 Intel Xeon... All you've shown me is your childish retaliation with profanity... that really pushes your argument! *thumbs up*
Dempsey: Netburst Based 667-1066 MT/s FSB TDP=130 W 4MB L2 Cache Woodcrest: Replaces NB with Intel Core Microarchitecture 1066-1333 MT/s FSB TDP=65-80 W EM64T Support XD bit Support All of those things affect performance.
First of all, what is a Dempsy? Secondly, you still haven't proven why the Woodcrest 2.66 is better than an Intel Xeon 3.0. Thirdly, power and capability are two different things. YOU are the one cutting corners hanging on Macs remote by a thread. Nobody cares about a remote... if you want to go there, I can get a cheap ATI ALL-IN-WONDER with a remote and it would still be cheaper! With my custom PC, you get better power for your buck. Simple as that.
Dempsey=Codename for the obsolete netburst based 5000 class DC Xeon.
Woodcrest=Codenome for more efficient 5100 calss DC Xeon that REPLACES the Dempsey.
Your machine is pathetic in comparison. I'm not hanging on to the Remoe "by a thread". That was one of the least expensive ones i could find right away wit a reciever that can connect to your computer vis USB. Don't want to waste a PCI slot on something like that.
Does it piss you off? Good, you're acting like a child. It doesn't matter if the Woodcrest was made to replace the "Dempsy", I believe you! But that still doesn't mean it is better! I will say it again... 3.0GHz compared to 2.66GHz. Which is better? That's like saying even though the new Mustangs were made to replace older models that automatically makes them better.
You've lost, admit it! You're making yourself look stupid. I'm trying to help you out by not rubbing it in your face.
3.2 Dempsey IS NO MATCH for the WC either. It just LOOKS better to the computer illiterate. You are the one who looks stupid here. You are not checking your facts and are clearly ignorant of what's going on in tech.
You didn't even know WHAT a dempsey was. But you are clinging to it like it's the shit. Turns out it's just shitty.
Wanna rub something in? Like what? You total disregard for facts?
Talking to you is like talking to an infant. Very little you have said has been correct or accurate. Your knowledge of this subject is pretty lacking, to say the least.
You are the one who's acting like a kid. You come in, use some broken logic and then try to claim some kind of highground real quick before I come in and thrash your shakey arguement.
"Nuh uh! My Woodcrest is better because... because it's in a Macintosh, that's why! I don't need to prove anything to you!" *followed by more whinning and sore- loser escapades*
Efficiency has it's limit. I agree, the Woodcrest is a better chip than the Intel Xeon, however, when comparing CPUs with a drastically greater speed to one of a lower, you are going to reach a limit where an older CPU can be more powerful than a newer one of less speed.
Look, the Woodcrest uses a different achitecture. It isn't the same as the Dempsey. Only thing they share is the pin set and some basic features that make them Xeon.
If the Dempsey was really all that. Apple would have used them in their machines. I mean really, the Dempsey COSTS MUCH LESS than the woodcrest.
Plus, WHY should Apple shoot off their own foot like Dell does?
"you still haven't proven why the Woodcrest 2.66 is better than an Intel Xeon 3.0"
I don't have to. the benchmarks are readily available. If you kept up with your tech news, you would know that a 2.0 GHz Woodcrest is equal to a 3.0 Dempsey in processing power.
By your logic, a 3.2 Ghz Celeron is superior to a 2.5 GHz Pentium 4.
The reason that the Netburst Arhitecture is obsolete, is because it isn't very efficient and is plagued with problems. THAT is why Intel was getting thrashed by AMD. Netburst was dragging down the performance of the processors.
They released the Woodcrest and Conroe. All of the sudden, they are smacking AMD in the performance category. I wonder why?
Could it have somthing to do with the new processors? O_O
And if you know how to shop, you can get warrantees for all of those parts. I know for a fact that Kingston has lifetime on most of their RAM. So, if you have been wanting a Mac Pro, I am sorry to destroy your dreams, but don't wate your money. Build a PC.
Dumb-ass, I DO NOT WANT WINDOWS! It is not an acceptable OS for me. You like it? Good for you! But I do not want!
Plus, That Kensigton Ram, will work in a Mac Pro.
Anyhow, where have I told you to buy a Mac? Nowhere, that's where!
WHY, Do you keep insisting on telling me to build a windows only box from bubble-gum and cereal-box lids? All I ever said is that the PRO is a good deal for what you get and that it is MY computer of choice here.
HAHA... getting more pissed off... Dude, those CPUs ARE DUAL CORE! Look them up again. And you argument that just because the Mac's CPUs are Woodcrest makes them better is not working. Try again.
Also, NO, I don't have to factor in accesories. Your initial argument was that I couldn't build a more POWERFUL PC than the Mac Pro and I did! Plus, it's also cheaper! I fail to see where a remote and added accesories make the Mac more powerful.
HAHA, oh man... changing your argument because you've lost. I am not going to rub it in your face, I'm not like that. Just admit that the PC I built is more powerful. AGAIN, those CPUs are more powerful than the Woodcrests. Last time I checked, 3 was bigger than 2.66. And once again, accessories DO NOT afect the power of a computer and that was your initial argument.
WHERE THE HELL DID I SAY THAT THE DEMPSY WAS NOT DUAL CORE?!
I've never changed my arguement. What the hell are you talking about. Read what I have written here more closely.
The Dempsey IS NOT more powerful than the WOODCREST! Dempsy is obsolete netburst CRAP!
Those accesories DO affect the price. When I speak of POWER, I speak of CAPABILITY. Unless your machine can do everything the Pro can do. It is inferior.
My ORIGINAL argument is that the Price is great for what you get. EITHER match, Spec for Spec or admit defeat. EVERY feature I added to MY PC build is a feature that is BUILT IN to the Mac Pro. I am matching them spec for spec.
You, are trying to cut corners and such so that you can say the the Mac is overpriced. You are failing to account for the tings Apple GIVES the user with their machines. Those things cost money!
The main reason why I am getting pissed at you is that you come in with two dimensional logic and call it a victory.
Your builds are almost all using Dempsey's which are very outdated. There is a reason they were replaced by the Woodcrest. It's the SAME reason why the Core-Duo was replaced by the Core 2.
There is a reason why the WC costs THREE TIMES as much as the Dempsey. THAT is NOT Apple's doing.
Plus, why are you complaining about components to match the Pro? I COULD HAVE simply chose the base price for all of those components. Instead, I factored in the sale prices and used many less sophisticated components than what Apple uses.
INSTEAD, I actually tried to balance feature-for-feature, Part-for-part.
Why ELSE would I pick Windows MCE? Why not XP Pro, WHICH is more expensive, but has all of the basic features a OS SHOULD have?
I will admit their machines are getting more powerful. But cheaper... Not really. Also, it's not like PCs aren't getting more powerful. They ARE more powerful and they ARE cheaper, as I have just proven. I'm not totally slamming Apple... if they can catch up, great! But it's highly doubtful with the rapid expansion of the PC market's variety of selection, low prices, and compatability.
Look, I don't know about you. But $2500 is a GREAT price for a madern worstation running woodcrest chips. So great that EVEN Tigerdirect can't beat that price on their own Dual-Woodcrest machines.
Apple has ALREADY caught up in price and POWER. You are too stuck in the 90's to see this simple truth.
Plus, Variety of selection is jacking UP PC prices! Those manufacturers have to pay for machines that are not selling. Compatability with windows is very shaky as well.
If want that power than go ahead, waste your money. PC offers a lot of other versions that are very close to the Alienware and Mac WSs for a lot less money. You have more variety with PCs and that is very important.
FB-Dimm sounds great but you won't notice manny differences with ddr2. It's not super memory like you think and becease of the advance memory buffer the latency will even increase.
PLUS< I Never said that you couldn't build a computer that works for less than $2,500. I said you can't build or buy a machine that matches or exceeds the stats of the Mac Pro for less than a Mac Pro.
Considering that it can run OSX AND Windows, natively. THAT is a big plus in my book. It can do pretty much EVERYTHING your PC can and MORE.
It's so easy to find a better motherboard, RAM, and processors for that PC. The amazing thing is, all that stuff only came out at $2000. I could get SLI technology and dual GCs and it would STILL be cheaper. I could get a 19" LCD 4-milisecond RT LCD and it would STILL be cheaper. I could get a 5.1 surround sound and it would STILL be cheaper. I could buy games and it would STILL be cheaper. Face it, Macs are over-priced and it IS possible to build a PC that is more powerful than the Mac Pro.
Look, if you updated all of that pittiful hardware to MATCH the Mac Pro, it would come to more than the Mac Pro.
Mac Pro, at Base Stats comes to $2500. Your machine which is CONSIDERABLY LESS POWERFUL, Comes to about $2000. If you update your Processors to meet the Xeon, their Price would double. If you upgraded your MB to match the Pro's Logicboard. THAT would cost almost double. You want SLI? You have to use a special motherboard!
You want games? Well, TThe mac Pro can play any game you can buy. A moot point.
You want dual GC? That's gonna cost more. Hell, with the SLI and dual cards ALONE, It comes to MORE that the Pro WITHOUT Upgrading those weak ass processors or last year's ram in your build.
It is clear to me, you don't know a thing about computers or prices.
Yeah, the Mac can run any game... WITH WINDOWS. Installing Windows on a Mac doesn't make it a Mac anymore. I don't care what you say. It now becomes a PC wanna be.
Your arguments are irrelevant anyhow. The Mac Pro is priced beutifully for what you get. Plus, You ge a WARRANTEE with Manufactured computers. You get NONE with build it yourself dumptster boxes.
PLUS, You have YET to build a machine that has ANY value to me. YOU are STUCK on Windows. I can choose whether or not I want that Crappy software on my Machine. I choose NOT.
You get warrantee on each part of the pc. If you open your mac your warrantee is totally gone but with pc you can open it as much as you want, because you get warrantee on the parts.
What are you talking about? Those processors have 4MB cache EACH, not to mention that are both 3GB. Two 3GB 4MB cache dual core CPUs are better than two 2.66GB CPUs. And what is that remote and power? I already included my PS. I DO know how to build a PC and I just made one that is more powerful than the Mac Pro and you are pissed off about it. So I forgot to add Windows and a sound card... it's still cheaper with all those parts I found.
Fine, I misread. Woodcrest has 4 MB Cache each as well.
By your logic, a 3 Ghz Celeron is superior to a 2.66 Ghz Pentium 4. Think about it. 3 GHZ DEMPSY IS NOT BETTER THAN 2.66 GHZ WOODCREST!
The Remote and Power were included because that is what the PRO comes with! I am factoring in features as well.
Anyhoo, Your machine IS NOT more powerful than the Pro. You gotta put 3.0 GHZ WC's in there instead of 3.0 GHZ Dempsy if you want it to be "More Powerful'.
PLUS, The Woodcrest is also dual-core. I fail to see where the DEMPSEY has an advantage. Perhaps, you can explain it to me?
When building a machine, you HAVE TO factor in every single part that goes into the machine. You said you can make a more powerful machine for less. I EXPECT to see MORE features as well.
Apple does NOT make bare bones systems. The comparison MUST be the same if you really want to raise a flag of victory.
Let me break it down for you. Because you clearly DON'T know how much it costs to build a machine that is comparable to the Pro. Xeon Woodcrest 2.66Ghz= $739.99 x2 SUPERMICRO X7DAL-E= $ 429.00 Asus GeForce nVidia 7600 GT= $92.00 Kingston ValueRAM /1 GB /FB-DIMM= $215.48 Samsung 250 GB HD= $79.99 Sony DRU810A (DVD Burner) = $49.99 HP USB Multimedia Keyboard =$9.99 Case= $20 Sound Card= $19.99 Continued...
So? Apple is streamlined. It's a model that works for them. They tried the whole million and one models approach before and nearly died. They ALSO tried the Apple Clone thing before and that almost killed the company.
APPLE sell hardware. And it's damn good hardware at that. I STILL use my G3 tower even though I have a newer Intel Mac.
PCs are cheaper... it depends where you look. The cheapest way to go is to build AND you get the best performance... you can't do that with a Mac. You have one version of a Mac and that's it. Now if you want to pay for a name, go get an Alienware.
Also, Mac hasn't gained ground EVERY year... they have fluctuated. Proof? www.systemshootouts.org(slash)mac(underscore)sales.html
They have gained ground by years end, EACH YEAR. Sales are not a reliable way to measure this. You are forgetting that some years they do better than others. THAT is the way all businesses work. They ARE NOT just selling their computers to the same people over and over. Those sales are also many new users.
Don't agree? then compare those figures to the sales BEFORE 1997. Apple's worst year after 97 is better than their average year BEFORE 1997. LEARN ECONOMICS!
Let's see. We have the Mac Pro, The Macbook, The Macbook Pro (YES< they are totally different!) The Mini, The X-Serve and a whole line of iMacs.
I count SIX different models with MULTIPLE configurations each. Pay closer attention. I take the time to learn about your crappy PC's. Take the time to learn about Apple. At least learn to know your enemy. Your ignorence is an insult.
Um, other companies make All-In-One computers And Mini computers too. Fact is, PC manufacturers CAN'T KEEP UP in those markets, THAT is why there are so few AIO and MINI PC's. To make such machines, they actually have to DESIGN an efficient case and their own motherboards.
Plus, WHAT is worthless about the Mac Pro? Bet it'll own your ass.
Because PC manufacturers know that no one wants to buy those non-upgradeable pieces of crap!! So when you say, "CAN'T KEEP UP..." you actually mean that PCs manufacturers know that people want something they can easily upgrade and not use a microscope to do it. Apples are made for the computer non-literate.
Plus, the Mac Pro is very easily upgradeable and LESS expensive than a comparable PC. Do your homework! >_<
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Next time, you decide to talk about who is computer illiterate, you really need to think about how that can blow up in your face. Now go learn something about computers. Your ignorance of PC's (A Platform you USE) is embarassing.
I just built a Mac Pro with MINIMUM specs ($2124) and a Dell XPS 210 with MINUMUM specs ($1599)... I even added the best GC in the 210 for a rush and it's still cheaper. I also just built an Alienware Area 51 7500 with MINIMUM specs ($1899). These are both cheaper than a Mac and plus, they both come with larger hard drives and a monitor!! Lets add a monitor for the Mac... WOW! $2823! There's my proof. So YOU get the fuck out.
What the? What did you prove? That you are a techtard? Mac pro's configuration: 2X2.66 WOODCREST Xeon 2 Gigs of Ram 250 GB 7200RPM HD 256 MB Vram NO monitor Price=$2,799.00 Alienware MJ-12 8550i SAME CONFIGURATION $3,888! Dell's precision 490 was the only computer they had that could be configured to meet the Mac pro. Dell has removed it from the lisdting. Right now it isn't possible to configure a Dell to compete. Now, I'm going to explain your error.
Like I said, step correct or not at all. You need to really look deeper than you have. NEXT time you want to compare machines, try to have your shit straight.
Plus, you really need to learn the difference between overpriced and expensive. Macs are EXPENSIVE Dells and Alienwares are OVERPRICED. Even though you can get one for less. The Dell or AW are not really worth even that much.
Also, when you compare the $1199 iMac to the $3500 M2010, you have to take into account that this is the first time Dell has had an All-in-one PC. But I do agree that it is too expensive.
So yeah, I just proved you could build a better PC for A LOT cheaper than a Mac Pro. So it looks like the little Apple fan-boy needs to do a little more research on his Macs.
The machine you configured ARE NOT more powerful than the Mac Pro. For starters, the Pro is a dual-core-dual-processor configuration. EACH processor has TWICE the bus speed of the chips that you can use on those machines. The RAM is faster as well. You have FAILED.
Sure, you can build a machine cheaper than the Mac Pro. But you CAN NOT do it on the Mac Pro's level. Learn something about computers. I have compaired the Macs to PC's that were EXACTLY the same. More POWERFUL than the Mac Pro? HA!
Yeah, you're right about the workstation, I did not realize that the Mac Pro had 2X Duos. However, not many people purchase workstations... they are too expensive. Why would you spend all that money when you could get an upgradable PC that almost meets both of those WS's specs. for a lot cheaper? Also, the main point to have a computer that powerful is to game. I think we all know how Macs and games get along...
Also, I can BUILD a PC BETTER than the Mac Pro for A LOT less than $2799.
People like PCs more because parts are easier to find, they are easy to upgrade, everything is compatible with them, and they are cheaper(even cheaper to build). Building is a huge plus for PC owners and it's so simple. As long as PC controls these things, they will always dominate Macs like they have been doing from the beginning.
I'm well aware of WHY people like PC's. They are entitled to get whatever machine they want. All I ask is that they leave me and MY Macs alone. Unfortunately, So many PC heads have lacking knowledge of the platform and feel that they should try to tell me how "Overpriced" MY mac is and how thei machine is "BETTER".
Because I WANT the power, am WILLING to PAY for it and don't WANT a machine that can ONLY run Windows! >_<
Plus the Mac Pro is Upgradable as well. PLUS, you gotta factor upgrades into the total price.
You say you can build a more powerful machine for less than $2799? Like I said before. Proof or get the fuck out. I'm tired of smacking your weak tech game.
BTW, I know how to build PC's. I KNOW what I'm talking about. Wanna find out how much I know? Keep stepping up with that weak stuff.
Plus, PC's are NOT cheaper anymore. They have Lower level parts in them. You can buy a less powerful PC than you can a Mac.
Plus, PC's Did NOT dominate the market "From the beginning".
In the 80's Apple had a solid 50% of the Market. Steve Jobs was ousted in 1985 and the company got thrashed for over ten years. Steve Jobs came back in 1997 and pulled to company from the brink and into stability. APPLE has regained ground EVERY year since.
Plus, DON"T make excuses for Dell. There is no excuse for Dell to sell their M2010 for so much. It is basically a iMac with a hinge on it. It has nearly the exact same specs. SMALLER screen size. SAME ram. SAME GPU. SAME features minus the webcam.
Plus, I'm compairing it to the "20 iMac, NOT the "17 model. I figure, XPS costs more than twice as much, why not have some fun with it.
In Terms of price, the cost really is just plain debateable because of how customizable and how far they range depending on what you chose. Hows it a waste of money there start out systems are not even that expenseive and provide great power. Ill admit I like gaming and if you look at it PC's in general are for gaming. I get total usability out of Pc's not so much from a mac. And WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU to say what i cannott afford. Seeing as its the computer im on right now as i type.
Compared to what? Other over-priced Macs? Face it, it is so obvious that Macs are WAY to expensive for what you get. I can get a PC with better configurations for almost half the price of a Mac.
Look, the Mac Pro costs less than a Dell with the same configuration. Cost waaaaaaay less than an Alienware with the EXACT same configuration. The woodcrest processors cost $1000+.
The iMac is an All In One configuration. You ARE NOT building a better machine for $500. The Core 2 processor ALONE costs over $300 at tiger direct.
You say you can build a better PC for about half with a better configuration?
In fact, Apple updated the SPECS on ALL of their machines when they switched to intel. They updated specs even further after the Woodcrest, Merom and Conroe processors were released.
Not only did they upgrade the specs but they LOWERED PRICES on some models. only model that the price went up on was the Mac-Mini when they first switched it to Intel. Considering that it was made waaaay more powerful and could hold more ram that the G4 version, THAT balanced out.
Are you even reading what I posted? I'm saying that when Apple updates the specs of their machines, the price remains the same. The major update to Intel was the only one who modified the price, it lowered it. When they update, they don't change the price.
When they updated to the Core 2 duo, and released a "24 iMac. They LOWERED the price of the other iMac models by HUNDREDS of dollars. They also added the amout of ram you get with those machines from 512 mb to 1 gb. They ALSO increased the amount of ram you can put into the machines. The ALSO put TWICE the front side Cache in those suckers. ALL for LESS!
Let me just put it this way, Apple's prices are going down at a steady pace. Their machines are getting STRONGER at the same pace. Apple has started competing in both power and price once more. Other manufacturers prices stay up because their product lines are not streamlined enough. They are competing with themselves. The computers that sell have to pay for the ones that don't.
Apple is not that way. They are FINALLY doing some smart marketing. Problem is, Anti-Macheads can't see this.
Actually, they also come in black, not only white and silver. As for it being more costly, this only applied with the PowerPC processors. If you would build your own Mac on the Apple website and build a Dell with the same specs, the Mac would cost you cheaper.
I agree with the aforementioned tech rule; never buy first-generation hardware, because this seems to be a common trend with Apple. Not only with hardware but software as well (the first release of Tiger comes to mind), the very first of it usually has bugs of some sort. Having said that, I don't think these are too bad. My MacBook has some flaws, such as the heat issue, but that's not a big problem to me and it still runs really well. It was worth every cent I spent!
apple sucks, they have to use pc hardware because they can't keep up. (they never could) you're being tricked into buying a pc which is advertised as a mac. Good ipods though, except the f***ing itunes software that's lame as hell.
Dude, this is one of the most uninformed things I have read in a long time. I buy Mac because of the OS and Indutrial design, which is best in market.
Yes, I know this. However, even jokes have to have some truth to them. I'm not even sure that the guy speaking even knows what a Mac is. Much less ever used one.
There are more legitimate things that could be said, by someone who knows what they are talking about.
Oh and Macs are over priced. The new MacBook went from $999 to $1,099. Turns out Macs prices do go up a bit. Oh yeah and to say they don't have issues check out appledefects.com. Theres plenty of pictures of defected MacBook Pros.
there have been quite a few issues with Apple not repairing machines. For example the discolorment from the heat issues. Apple refuses to replace your computer if you tell them it has that. These two guys do own a Mac and thought theyd do parodies of the commercials. Thats all. If they have fun doing it thats all that matters.
Hmm, Has Apple ever refused to repair YOUR Apple product due to an error or defect on their part? I mean, the Macbook Pro is under warrantee, I have heard of folks that needed their fixed and got satisfaction with no debate or arguement. I have NEVER had a single problem with Apple hardware in over 20 years.
Parodies are fine, but when there is little-to-no fact in a joke, It kinda sounds stupid to those that know better.
ive never owned own an Apple. Do I think they are nice machines? Yes I do but right now I refuse to get one until they fix the heating issues in the MacBook Pros. Yes the MacBook Pro may be under warranty but for whatever reason they wont replace the plastic top that encases all the components.
Hmm, I can see where that would be a problem. Apple is a company like many others in that regard. I understand your reasoning on this.
I didn't get the Macbook Pro, myself. I got the Intel iMac (Tho, I WANTED the G5, which was sold out). I have heard all kinds of heating issues from those. The Macbook and MB Pro seemed both rushed to the market to interest the switcher demographic.
For starters, if you have a mac that you don't want. Give it to me.
Seconds. You think they are over priced?
Dell XPS 2010 (Chosen because it has stats that are very close to present iMac and is in same category: All-In-One computer. Tho they like to CALL it a notebook)
You should check out the new Mac Pro. It's a little pricy if all you need is a basic home computer, but in that case you'd be fine with a mini. If you want power, than the Mac pro is actually cheaper than a Dell computer (I personally think Dells are the best of the PC market) with the same hardware configuration. Mac Pros are also highly upgradable and they come standard with quad processors!
Good point, the Mac Pro costs less than a Dell with a similar configuration however. Dual-Core-Dual-Processor configurtions are extremely rare on the PC market. $2,500 is rather a bargain for something as powerful as the Mac Pro.
I can't wait for the Mac Pro benchmarks to hit the net. That'll be sooo sweet!
Alienware best on the PC market ... not dell you stupid people. Pretty much all Alienware's will have Dual-processors, and there better in terms of price and power
Um, Alienware makes the best GAMIN computers. Anyone who spends more than $400 to play a game is a retard.
Anyhoo, Mac Pro costs less than equivalent Alienware by far. You ARE NOT going to ge a Alienware with aDual core-dual processor woodcrest configuration for $2500. Nope, NOT gonna happen.
Plus...Here's the shocker...DELL OWNS ALIENWARE! O_O
Yea they do make the best gaming computers thats kinda obvious. However there not intened for only gaming as you put it. Also on there Area-51 7500 starting out systems you can get Intel Dual Core proccesors in the package which is $1899. I doubt how much youv've even looked on there site. There starting out systems arnt that expensive at all and most come with intel dual-core now. You don't seem to know much about alienware or the prices. Your full of shit ;p
What the? I keep up to date with alienware and their prices. At the time I posted my response, AW didn't have affordable Dual-Core machines. Look at the date!
Now, ALL computer manufacturers have at least one dual core machine on the shelves.
Plus, the starting price for an AW more than I would pay for a machine that is Windows only.
Why the hell would you pay that much for an Alienware when you can just build it yourself for more than half the price, the way you want it? Seriously, if you're not smart enough to do that or consider that, well... You deserve to be stuck with a Mac.
It's rather stupid to use Alienware to compare with mac. ALienware's are like the roll's royces among pc's and are much much more expensiver than other pc's with the same spec.
sooo true... ipad = itouch but bigger
Alkez1000 1 year ago
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EasyLinux 2 years ago
there's no better, both are just different, it depends on the user.
i think mac it's better for my needs
pelallo2 2 years ago
you know people why apple company making this comercials about mac that its the best and bla bla bla because is bullshit nobody buys it
numb416 4 years ago 10
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mac is so much better than pc
myrt1994myrt 3 years ago
And what makes you say that.. you can't just say "Mac is better".. you need to have facts ...
Grommit137 3 years ago
how ???
not speed
not price
not music
not movies
evilhacks 3 years ago
lmfao thats funny
Krisisb0b 3 years ago
this vid is right, macs are overpriced
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julius3636 4 years ago
That's fake you idiot!!! (I'm referring to jacobmontalvo07)
d06omtas 4 years ago
that was dumb
DRESTA12345678910 4 years ago
MAC SUCKS BALLS!!!!!! they are desperate if they have to resort to this shit.....i'm sorry......iShit
jacobmontalvo07 4 years ago
omg, i think that MACs are crap bull sh*ts because there gayer than PC!!! even vista wasnt a success...why cant the world give us better computer stuff!!!
vmistry94 4 years ago
Okay, I think the secrecy in upgrades is a pretty cool thing. It can't be easy with a company that size to keep secrets. It's no fun if you know what is coming before it comes out. And also, as somebody said down there, upgrades and changes almost NEVER mean a price increace. Every time Apple has upgraded systems, they stay the same price, or decreace in price. The only exception I can think about is when they dropped the $499 Mac mini. But that was when they were switching all over to Intel.
Squid7085 4 years ago
i agree wit Squid7085 its hard to keep secretes in a company that huge and besides if the competition found out b4 the new stuff came out they would make either sumtin "better" or their own version of the new material then prices would really skyrocket and u'd actually have something to complain about sides macs kick ass ^-^ lol (just had to say that)
heie28 4 years ago
Uh, you're retarded, because every iMac has actually gotten cheaper in it's successor.
Somedude1858 4 years ago
dude your right.all macs are cheaper.plus they rock.windows stanks!
toairi 4 years ago
All computers suck. Get used to it.
GlorifiedCarnage 4 years ago
agree. get a live. oops i'm still using one.
plan9c 4 years ago
Mac are "gay?" What's more gay than getting fucked by Bill Gates repeatedly on a daily basis, or, maybe you're into that sort of thing. True empowerment & productivity? Go Ubuntu or Mac, pure & simple. Jobs can take my money, because he gives me MUCH more than what I pay for. Billy? He just wants your money. Don't slap lipstick on a man and call it a prom queen, Trans-Vista-Ites.
keytoothed 4 years ago
y is macs head ALWAYS tilting to the right?
greenfrogy44 4 years ago
macs are gay
meecrob333 4 years ago
yah go fornicate yourself with a mac kalter you know shit
sargientcupcake 4 years ago
PC and Mac owner. The ONLY time I even dare to touch Windows is to play games. It is the one thing that Windows can actually do... some of the time. Mac or PC user, do what is best for yourself. Don't hate other people just because they are different.
kalterplanet 4 years ago
up to now, i had only heard of the stuff microsoft is spreading on the web in order to make their »software« look some more equal than they actually are.
mrrudson 4 years ago
I kinda like mac hardware, but OS X is lame. I read some survey that said there were more win2k users then mac os x users.
mistertoasty 4 years ago
that was not funny
harry3264 4 years ago
unnecessary video
tr1ja 4 years ago
dude, i don't feel like explaining this 4 the, what, 1000th time! so i'll just put it in simple PC words. i have a pc & a mac, guess which one i use the most, its the mac. i don't feel like saying anything, so just be happy that you even have a computer. tell me when your pc breaks. lol.
hinata4ever4 4 years ago
YAY - embrace the openess of micro...soft? really? Microsoft... open?
uhhhh
Wheres linux in this ad? he cost less than both, and is opensource?
Squichie 4 years ago
So true, stupid Mac people, it's like throwing money in the garbage can.
Zyxz 4 years ago
yeah last time I checked alien ware made Pc's. people say that pcs suck but think about how much people pay for pcs on average and think about how much people pay for macs on average. if your going to get an expensive mac why not get an expensive pc thats way better?
nillzhillz 4 years ago
Why get an expensive mac in the first place? For video editing? The internet? I can revamp my 4 year old XP with a GF8800 320mb, do all that and spend 300 bucks total. Maybe thats why the biggest share of Mac users are over 60 years of age.
Blitzkrieg1981 4 years ago
macs suck. Alienware..same price as mac...just is way better.
nillzhillz 5 years ago
PC FTW!
explounet 4 years ago
your comparing alienware to mac. Your a moron.
ynnyytty 4 years ago
both of you guys are so ugly.
syaoranpies 5 years ago
your vid sucks because of false information-let's talk about the overinflated windows vista pricetag
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CrazyboutWoW 5 years ago
If only this were accurate. . .
52Tazz 5 years ago
when apple releases updated products.... they don't upcharge... they update the components to make the product competitive. You should know that mikey ;)
skylormatthew 5 years ago
You STILL haven't shown me why a 2.66 Woodcrest is better than even a 3.2 Intel Xeon... All you've shown me is your childish retaliation with profanity... that really pushes your argument! *thumbs up*
icer22x 5 years ago
Liquidmark 5 years ago
Oop, forgot to mention that the Woodcrest had a 4MB L2 cache as well.
Also, INTEL claims a 80% boost in performacne.
BTW, NONE of the info that I had shown here was gathered from Apple or an Apple friendly site.
Got beef with the Woodcrest? Take it up with Intel.
Just understand that, right now, it's the new hotness and the Dempsey is yesterday's news.
Liquidmark 5 years ago
Yeah, all those affect performance... now what specific CPUs were those stats for? Which model of Intel Xeon and which model of Woodcrest?
icer22x 5 years ago
The features that I listed can be found on all of the Woodcrest models.
There is also virtulization technology support for the 5140 and above.
The 5160 is the only model with a TDP of 80 Watts. the rest have a TDP of 65 W
Plus, when the Whitefield is released, it'll be more than twice as powerful. 8 cores, start with 65 then moves to 45 nm process later on.
The Woodcrest and Dempsey are both limited to 65 nm at this time.
I'd expect a HUGE slash of prices at it's release.
Liquidmark 5 years ago
Also all of the Woodcrest Models but the 5110 and 5120 have a FSB of 1066 MT/s. (Twice the size of the core 2 duo)
The 5110 and 5120 both have a 1333 MT/s FSB
Considering that the Pro has dual 1.33GHz dual independent frontside buses, I can only assume that they are using either the 5110 or 5120 chips.
Liquidmark 5 years ago
I forgot to mention that the stats following 'Dempsey' are the ones for the chips you chose.
Dempsey is the codename for the 5000 series Intel Xeon.
The Woodcrest is also an Intel Xeon, tho it is newer and used a different core type.
Netburst had issues with heat (See the TDP numbers in my breakdown).
Intel basically made the Dempsey to see if they can make an affordable Dual-Core chip. It's like a prototype.
Liquidmark 5 years ago
Also, correction: the 5110 and 5120 have double the FSB of the core 2 duo. The other Woodcrest models have a little less than double (1066 MT/s)
I worded my statment incorrectly.
Liquidmark 5 years ago
Man I have to say after reading this all I can't believe how thick headed and Clueless you are!
ratz2plt 5 years ago
Speaking to "icer22x"
ratz2plt 5 years ago
wow i missed this one-so you were also an idiot here-too
erniefurglar 5 years ago
First of all, what is a Dempsy? Secondly, you still haven't proven why the Woodcrest 2.66 is better than an Intel Xeon 3.0. Thirdly, power and capability are two different things. YOU are the one cutting corners hanging on Macs remote by a thread. Nobody cares about a remote... if you want to go there, I can get a cheap ATI ALL-IN-WONDER with a remote and it would still be cheaper! With my custom PC, you get better power for your buck. Simple as that.
icer22x 5 years ago
"what is a Dempsy?"
Dempsey=Codename for the obsolete netburst based 5000 class DC Xeon.
Woodcrest=Codenome for more efficient 5100 calss DC Xeon that REPLACES the Dempsey.
Your machine is pathetic in comparison. I'm not hanging on to the Remoe "by a thread". That was one of the least expensive ones i could find right away wit a reciever that can connect to your computer vis USB. Don't want to waste a PCI slot on something like that.
Liquidmark 5 years ago
I mean codename and class. your ignorance pisses off my typing which isn't all that great to begin with.
Liquidmark 5 years ago
Does it piss you off? Good, you're acting like a child. It doesn't matter if the Woodcrest was made to replace the "Dempsy", I believe you! But that still doesn't mean it is better! I will say it again... 3.0GHz compared to 2.66GHz. Which is better? That's like saying even though the new Mustangs were made to replace older models that automatically makes them better.
You've lost, admit it! You're making yourself look stupid. I'm trying to help you out by not rubbing it in your face.
icer22x 5 years ago
Straight up. Fuck you bitch.
3.2 Dempsey IS NO MATCH for the WC either. It just LOOKS better to the computer illiterate. You are the one who looks stupid here. You are not checking your facts and are clearly ignorant of what's going on in tech.
You didn't even know WHAT a dempsey was. But you are clinging to it like it's the shit. Turns out it's just shitty.
Wanna rub something in? Like what? You total disregard for facts?
Liquidmark 5 years ago
YOU piss me off.
Talking to you is like talking to an infant. Very little you have said has been correct or accurate. Your knowledge of this subject is pretty lacking, to say the least.
You are the one who's acting like a kid. You come in, use some broken logic and then try to claim some kind of highground real quick before I come in and thrash your shakey arguement.
Liquidmark 5 years ago
Yeah... here is your thrashing:
"Nuh uh! My Woodcrest is better because... because it's in a Macintosh, that's why! I don't need to prove anything to you!" *followed by more whinning and sore- loser escapades*
icer22x 5 years ago
I never said the woodcrest was better because it's in a Macintosh!
Woodcrest is BETTER because it is more efficient! >_<
Liquidmark 5 years ago
Efficiency has it's limit. I agree, the Woodcrest is a better chip than the Intel Xeon, however, when comparing CPUs with a drastically greater speed to one of a lower, you are going to reach a limit where an older CPU can be more powerful than a newer one of less speed.
icer22x 5 years ago
Look, the Woodcrest uses a different achitecture. It isn't the same as the Dempsey. Only thing they share is the pin set and some basic features that make them Xeon.
If the Dempsey was really all that. Apple would have used them in their machines. I mean really, the Dempsey COSTS MUCH LESS than the woodcrest.
Plus, WHY should Apple shoot off their own foot like Dell does?
Liquidmark 5 years ago
Look, like I said, The Mac Pro is a damn good deal for everything that you get. Plus, the elegance of the industrial design, is nothing to scoff at.
THAT has value too.
Liquidmark 5 years ago
"you still haven't proven why the Woodcrest 2.66 is better than an Intel Xeon 3.0"
I don't have to. the benchmarks are readily available. If you kept up with your tech news, you would know that a 2.0 GHz Woodcrest is equal to a 3.0 Dempsey in processing power.
By your logic, a 3.2 Ghz Celeron is superior to a 2.5 GHz Pentium 4.
Spoilers: it's not.
Liquidmark 5 years ago
I can even put the 3.2 GHz Dual Cores in there and it would still come out cheaper...
icer22x 5 years ago
The reason that the Netburst Arhitecture is obsolete, is because it isn't very efficient and is plagued with problems. THAT is why Intel was getting thrashed by AMD. Netburst was dragging down the performance of the processors.
They released the Woodcrest and Conroe. All of the sudden, they are smacking AMD in the performance category. I wonder why?
Could it have somthing to do with the new processors? O_O
Liquidmark 5 years ago
And if you know how to shop, you can get warrantees for all of those parts. I know for a fact that Kingston has lifetime on most of their RAM. So, if you have been wanting a Mac Pro, I am sorry to destroy your dreams, but don't wate your money. Build a PC.
icer22x 5 years ago
Dumb-ass, I DO NOT WANT WINDOWS! It is not an acceptable OS for me. You like it? Good for you! But I do not want!
Plus, That Kensigton Ram, will work in a Mac Pro.
Anyhow, where have I told you to buy a Mac? Nowhere, that's where!
WHY, Do you keep insisting on telling me to build a windows only box from bubble-gum and cereal-box lids? All I ever said is that the PRO is a good deal for what you get and that it is MY computer of choice here.
Continued...
Liquidmark 5 years ago
You don't like Apple? That's fine. But you gotta admit that their machines are getting more powerful and less expensive with every year.
Dell's Precision 490, COULD NOT compete with the Pro. The Alienware was TWICE the price of a Pro.
Plus, IF I wanted to, I could BUILD a Mac (A G3 Tower). But why should I? It's more expensiv to do it that way.
Not a single machine you can build would appeal to me. I don't like or WANT windows.
Liquidmark 5 years ago
HAHA... getting more pissed off... Dude, those CPUs ARE DUAL CORE! Look them up again. And you argument that just because the Mac's CPUs are Woodcrest makes them better is not working. Try again.
Also, NO, I don't have to factor in accesories. Your initial argument was that I couldn't build a more POWERFUL PC than the Mac Pro and I did! Plus, it's also cheaper! I fail to see where a remote and added accesories make the Mac more powerful.
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icer22x 5 years ago
I KNOW They are DUAL CORE. So are the Woodcrests! The Woodcrests are the REPLACEMENT for those Dempsey chips you love.
Those things ARE NOT ACCESSORIES! They come with the Mac Pro and they have Value. They MUST be factored in.
You DID NOT build a more Powerful PC than the PRO! Check your facts!
The REMOTE comes with the MAC PRO. "Equivalent" PC should have the same capability, otherwise it is inferior.
Liquidmark 5 years ago
HAHA, oh man... changing your argument because you've lost. I am not going to rub it in your face, I'm not like that. Just admit that the PC I built is more powerful. AGAIN, those CPUs are more powerful than the Woodcrests. Last time I checked, 3 was bigger than 2.66. And once again, accessories DO NOT afect the power of a computer and that was your initial argument.
icer22x 5 years ago
WHERE THE HELL DID I SAY THAT THE DEMPSY WAS NOT DUAL CORE?!
I've never changed my arguement. What the hell are you talking about. Read what I have written here more closely.
The Dempsey IS NOT more powerful than the WOODCREST! Dempsy is obsolete netburst CRAP!
Those accesories DO affect the price. When I speak of POWER, I speak of CAPABILITY. Unless your machine can do everything the Pro can do. It is inferior.
Liquidmark 5 years ago
My ORIGINAL argument is that the Price is great for what you get. EITHER match, Spec for Spec or admit defeat. EVERY feature I added to MY PC build is a feature that is BUILT IN to the Mac Pro. I am matching them spec for spec.
You, are trying to cut corners and such so that you can say the the Mac is overpriced. You are failing to account for the tings Apple GIVES the user with their machines. Those things cost money!
Liquidmark 5 years ago
The main reason why I am getting pissed at you is that you come in with two dimensional logic and call it a victory.
Your builds are almost all using Dempsey's which are very outdated. There is a reason they were replaced by the Woodcrest. It's the SAME reason why the Core-Duo was replaced by the Core 2.
There is a reason why the WC costs THREE TIMES as much as the Dempsey. THAT is NOT Apple's doing.
Liquidmark 5 years ago
Plus, why are you complaining about components to match the Pro? I COULD HAVE simply chose the base price for all of those components. Instead, I factored in the sale prices and used many less sophisticated components than what Apple uses.
INSTEAD, I actually tried to balance feature-for-feature, Part-for-part.
Why ELSE would I pick Windows MCE? Why not XP Pro, WHICH is more expensive, but has all of the basic features a OS SHOULD have?
Liquidmark 5 years ago
I will admit their machines are getting more powerful. But cheaper... Not really. Also, it's not like PCs aren't getting more powerful. They ARE more powerful and they ARE cheaper, as I have just proven. I'm not totally slamming Apple... if they can catch up, great! But it's highly doubtful with the rapid expansion of the PC market's variety of selection, low prices, and compatability.
icer22x 5 years ago
Look, I don't know about you. But $2500 is a GREAT price for a madern worstation running woodcrest chips. So great that EVEN Tigerdirect can't beat that price on their own Dual-Woodcrest machines.
Apple has ALREADY caught up in price and POWER. You are too stuck in the 90's to see this simple truth.
Plus, Variety of selection is jacking UP PC prices! Those manufacturers have to pay for machines that are not selling. Compatability with windows is very shaky as well.
Liquidmark 5 years ago
If want that power than go ahead, waste your money. PC offers a lot of other versions that are very close to the Alienware and Mac WSs for a lot less money. You have more variety with PCs and that is very important.
I am working on the research for that PC...
icer22x 5 years ago
PC better than Mac Pro and MUCH cheaper:
$270-MSI K8N Master2-FAR motherboard
$470(x2)-AMD Opteron252 2.6 GHz CPUs (quad-core)
$75-DDR2 1GB Kingston RAM (can even amke it 2GB)
$100-MXT 7Y250MO 250 GB HD (Serial ATA)
$300-BFG GeForce 7900 (Better than cheapest Mac. GC)
$50- Mouse, Keyboard, disc drive
$170-Power supply
$50-Case
Add that up: Around $2000. So there ya go chief... if you want the sources of all those items, let me know.
icer22x 5 years ago
Your processor is NOT comparable to the WODDCREST.
Your Ram is not comparable to FB-DIMM.
Your Motherboard is OK. But it only supports a maximum of 12 GB of ram. NOT COMPARABLE.
Your videocard is only about one step up from the cheapest one for the Mac Pro, But it is MORE espensive.
Disk drive IS NOT comparable to Superdrive.
I don't need the sources. this configuration is NOT as powerful as the Pro. Once again you fail. You kinda suck at this.
Liquidmark 5 years ago
FB-Dimm sounds great but you won't notice manny differences with ddr2. It's not super memory like you think and becease of the advance memory buffer the latency will even increase.
namdang 5 years ago
PLUS< I Never said that you couldn't build a computer that works for less than $2,500. I said you can't build or buy a machine that matches or exceeds the stats of the Mac Pro for less than a Mac Pro.
Considering that it can run OSX AND Windows, natively. THAT is a big plus in my book. It can do pretty much EVERYTHING your PC can and MORE.
THAT makes it the superior choice in my mind.
Liquidmark 5 years ago
It's so easy to find a better motherboard, RAM, and processors for that PC. The amazing thing is, all that stuff only came out at $2000. I could get SLI technology and dual GCs and it would STILL be cheaper. I could get a 19" LCD 4-milisecond RT LCD and it would STILL be cheaper. I could get a 5.1 surround sound and it would STILL be cheaper. I could buy games and it would STILL be cheaper. Face it, Macs are over-priced and it IS possible to build a PC that is more powerful than the Mac Pro.
icer22x 5 years ago
Look, if you updated all of that pittiful hardware to MATCH the Mac Pro, it would come to more than the Mac Pro.
Mac Pro, at Base Stats comes to $2500. Your machine which is CONSIDERABLY LESS POWERFUL, Comes to about $2000. If you update your Processors to meet the Xeon, their Price would double. If you upgraded your MB to match the Pro's Logicboard. THAT would cost almost double. You want SLI? You have to use a special motherboard!
What does that mean? MORE MONEY! O_O
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Liquidmark 5 years ago
You want games? Well, TThe mac Pro can play any game you can buy. A moot point.
You want dual GC? That's gonna cost more. Hell, with the SLI and dual cards ALONE, It comes to MORE that the Pro WITHOUT Upgrading those weak ass processors or last year's ram in your build.
It is clear to me, you don't know a thing about computers or prices.
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Liquidmark 5 years ago
Yeah, the Mac can run any game... WITH WINDOWS. Installing Windows on a Mac doesn't make it a Mac anymore. I don't care what you say. It now becomes a PC wanna be.
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icer22x 5 years ago
Installing windows on a Mac DOES NOT Negate the fact that it is a mac. MACINTOSH is HARDAWRE, Dumbass!
It's not a PC wanna be. It can do things a PC can't.
Liquidmark 5 years ago
Here is a new PC that I just built:
Intel S500VSASATA FBDIMM 16GB cap. - $419.99
Intel Xeon 5050 3.0GHz 4MB cache - $215.99x2
Kingston 2GB 667MHz DDR2 FB DIMM- $415.99
BFG GeForce 7900G - $300
WD 400GB SATA 16MB 7200RPM-$175.99
Sony 16x Internal DL CDROM COMBO-$91.99
PS-$170
Case-$50
Still cheaper than Mac Pro
icer22x 5 years ago
"Still cheaper than Mac Pro"
Still LESS POWERFUL THAN MAC PRO!
Man, Get that Dempsey Netburst crap out of here! Woodcrest has TWICE the FSB and Cache and also processes data more efficiently.
Plus, I need to know where you found the motherboard. The EXACT same one I found runs $615!
The ram is a moot point. BOTH Mac'S and PC'S use the SAME RAM. O_O
I picked a BETER Optical drive foer less that your crappy example.
Is you power supply energy-star certified?
Liquidmark 5 years ago
Your arguments are irrelevant anyhow. The Mac Pro is priced beutifully for what you get. Plus, You ge a WARRANTEE with Manufactured computers. You get NONE with build it yourself dumptster boxes.
PLUS, You have YET to build a machine that has ANY value to me. YOU are STUCK on Windows. I can choose whether or not I want that Crappy software on my Machine. I choose NOT.
Liquidmark 5 years ago
You get warrantee on each part of the pc. If you open your mac your warrantee is totally gone but with pc you can open it as much as you want, because you get warrantee on the parts.
namdang 5 years ago
You fail. You keep warranty since you payd for it.
Sure if you open your hd it's gone, but then you're just a moron.
samipso 4 years ago
The Ability to CHOOSE is something that you should appreciate. But you don't. I choose Apple for a reason. OSX and Seameless Reliability.
But you don't want to respect that.
Instead, you lead off with your ignorance of tech as a whole, by assembling inferior budget machines and calling them 'more powerful'.
You have a different definition of power apparently. Look at the Price of the Woodcrest compaired to the Dempsey. There is a reason for that.
Liquidmark 5 years ago
What are you talking about? Those processors have 4MB cache EACH, not to mention that are both 3GB. Two 3GB 4MB cache dual core CPUs are better than two 2.66GB CPUs. And what is that remote and power? I already included my PS. I DO know how to build a PC and I just made one that is more powerful than the Mac Pro and you are pissed off about it. So I forgot to add Windows and a sound card... it's still cheaper with all those parts I found.
icer22x 5 years ago
Fine, I misread. Woodcrest has 4 MB Cache each as well.
By your logic, a 3 Ghz Celeron is superior to a 2.66 Ghz Pentium 4. Think about it. 3 GHZ DEMPSY IS NOT BETTER THAN 2.66 GHZ WOODCREST!
The Remote and Power were included because that is what the PRO comes with! I am factoring in features as well.
Anyhoo, Your machine IS NOT more powerful than the Pro. You gotta put 3.0 GHZ WC's in there instead of 3.0 GHZ Dempsy if you want it to be "More Powerful'.
Liquidmark 5 years ago
PLUS, The Woodcrest is also dual-core. I fail to see where the DEMPSEY has an advantage. Perhaps, you can explain it to me?
When building a machine, you HAVE TO factor in every single part that goes into the machine. You said you can make a more powerful machine for less. I EXPECT to see MORE features as well.
Apple does NOT make bare bones systems. The comparison MUST be the same if you really want to raise a flag of victory.
Liquidmark 5 years ago
Liquidmark 5 years ago
Anyhoo, continuing...
Microsoft Windows XP MCE=$109.99
Remote =$29.99
Power =$69.99
Total= $2,606.04
And that is with MOSTLY substandard (Yet Marginally comparable) parts. AND I had to personally Go looking out in all buttfuck to find those parts.
Wanna know how much it would cost with SLI, a better video card, a monitor and games?
Liquidmark 5 years ago
"You have more variety with PCs and that is very important."
Can ANY OF those machines run OSX without hacking? >_<
If not, then they are inferior for my use.
Liquidmark 5 years ago
So? Apple is streamlined. It's a model that works for them. They tried the whole million and one models approach before and nearly died. They ALSO tried the Apple Clone thing before and that almost killed the company.
APPLE sell hardware. And it's damn good hardware at that. I STILL use my G3 tower even though I have a newer Intel Mac.
Liquidmark 5 years ago
PCs are cheaper... it depends where you look. The cheapest way to go is to build AND you get the best performance... you can't do that with a Mac. You have one version of a Mac and that's it. Now if you want to pay for a name, go get an Alienware.
Also, Mac hasn't gained ground EVERY year... they have fluctuated. Proof? www.systemshootouts.org(slash)mac(underscore)sales.html
icer22x 5 years ago
I KNOW how to build a PC. >_<
They have gained ground by years end, EACH YEAR. Sales are not a reliable way to measure this. You are forgetting that some years they do better than others. THAT is the way all businesses work. They ARE NOT just selling their computers to the same people over and over. Those sales are also many new users.
Don't agree? then compare those figures to the sales BEFORE 1997. Apple's worst year after 97 is better than their average year BEFORE 1997. LEARN ECONOMICS!
Liquidmark 5 years ago
"You have one version of a Mac and that's it."
Stupid kid.
Let's see. We have the Mac Pro, The Macbook, The Macbook Pro (YES< they are totally different!) The Mini, The X-Serve and a whole line of iMacs.
I count SIX different models with MULTIPLE configurations each. Pay closer attention. I take the time to learn about your crappy PC's. Take the time to learn about Apple. At least learn to know your enemy. Your ignorence is an insult.
Liquidmark 5 years ago
Um, other companies make All-In-One computers And Mini computers too. Fact is, PC manufacturers CAN'T KEEP UP in those markets, THAT is why there are so few AIO and MINI PC's. To make such machines, they actually have to DESIGN an efficient case and their own motherboards.
Plus, WHAT is worthless about the Mac Pro? Bet it'll own your ass.
Liquidmark 5 years ago
Because PC manufacturers know that no one wants to buy those non-upgradeable pieces of crap!! So when you say, "CAN'T KEEP UP..." you actually mean that PCs manufacturers know that people want something they can easily upgrade and not use a microscope to do it. Apples are made for the computer non-literate.
icer22x 5 years ago
First off, I know about computrs than you have shown. I use a Mac.
PC manufacturers DO build All In One machines! Stop being a retard and pay attention to your own chosen brand at least.
The Dell XPS M2010 (Price $3,500+!) is an example of this examples of this. It has pretty much the EXACT SAME STATS AS A $1,300 iMAC! O_O
Your knowledge on this matter is strongly lacking. To be expected from a typical PC head. I pity you.
Liquidmark 5 years ago
Plus, the Mac Pro is very easily upgradeable and LESS expensive than a comparable PC. Do your homework! >_<
http://www.youtube*com/watch?v=XtaeM1T4ZRg
(Protip: replace * with a period)
Next time, you decide to talk about who is computer illiterate, you really need to think about how that can blow up in your face. Now go learn something about computers. Your ignorance of PC's (A Platform you USE) is embarassing.
Either step correct, or not at all.
Liquidmark 5 years ago
I just built a Mac Pro with MINIMUM specs ($2124) and a Dell XPS 210 with MINUMUM specs ($1599)... I even added the best GC in the 210 for a rush and it's still cheaper. I also just built an Alienware Area 51 7500 with MINIMUM specs ($1899). These are both cheaper than a Mac and plus, they both come with larger hard drives and a monitor!! Lets add a monitor for the Mac... WOW! $2823! There's my proof. So YOU get the fuck out.
icer22x 5 years ago
Liquidmark 5 years ago
Like I said, step correct or not at all. You need to really look deeper than you have. NEXT time you want to compare machines, try to have your shit straight.
Plus, you really need to learn the difference between overpriced and expensive. Macs are EXPENSIVE Dells and Alienwares are OVERPRICED. Even though you can get one for less. The Dell or AW are not really worth even that much.
Liquidmark 5 years ago
Also, when you compare the $1199 iMac to the $3500 M2010, you have to take into account that this is the first time Dell has had an All-in-one PC. But I do agree that it is too expensive.
So yeah, I just proved you could build a better PC for A LOT cheaper than a Mac Pro. So it looks like the little Apple fan-boy needs to do a little more research on his Macs.
icer22x 5 years ago
The machine you configured ARE NOT more powerful than the Mac Pro. For starters, the Pro is a dual-core-dual-processor configuration. EACH processor has TWICE the bus speed of the chips that you can use on those machines. The RAM is faster as well. You have FAILED.
Sure, you can build a machine cheaper than the Mac Pro. But you CAN NOT do it on the Mac Pro's level. Learn something about computers. I have compaired the Macs to PC's that were EXACTLY the same. More POWERFUL than the Mac Pro? HA!
Liquidmark 5 years ago
Yeah, you're right about the workstation, I did not realize that the Mac Pro had 2X Duos. However, not many people purchase workstations... they are too expensive. Why would you spend all that money when you could get an upgradable PC that almost meets both of those WS's specs. for a lot cheaper? Also, the main point to have a computer that powerful is to game. I think we all know how Macs and games get along...
Also, I can BUILD a PC BETTER than the Mac Pro for A LOT less than $2799.
icer22x 5 years ago
People like PCs more because parts are easier to find, they are easy to upgrade, everything is compatible with them, and they are cheaper(even cheaper to build). Building is a huge plus for PC owners and it's so simple. As long as PC controls these things, they will always dominate Macs like they have been doing from the beginning.
icer22x 5 years ago
I'm well aware of WHY people like PC's. They are entitled to get whatever machine they want. All I ask is that they leave me and MY Macs alone. Unfortunately, So many PC heads have lacking knowledge of the platform and feel that they should try to tell me how "Overpriced" MY mac is and how thei machine is "BETTER".
Continued...
Liquidmark 5 years ago
Because I WANT the power, am WILLING to PAY for it and don't WANT a machine that can ONLY run Windows! >_<
Plus the Mac Pro is Upgradable as well. PLUS, you gotta factor upgrades into the total price.
You say you can build a more powerful machine for less than $2799? Like I said before. Proof or get the fuck out. I'm tired of smacking your weak tech game.
BTW, I know how to build PC's. I KNOW what I'm talking about. Wanna find out how much I know? Keep stepping up with that weak stuff.
Liquidmark 5 years ago
Plus, PC's are NOT cheaper anymore. They have Lower level parts in them. You can buy a less powerful PC than you can a Mac.
Plus, PC's Did NOT dominate the market "From the beginning".
In the 80's Apple had a solid 50% of the Market. Steve Jobs was ousted in 1985 and the company got thrashed for over ten years. Steve Jobs came back in 1997 and pulled to company from the brink and into stability. APPLE has regained ground EVERY year since.
Contrary to what you THINK.
Liquidmark 5 years ago
Plus, DON"T make excuses for Dell. There is no excuse for Dell to sell their M2010 for so much. It is basically a iMac with a hinge on it. It has nearly the exact same specs. SMALLER screen size. SAME ram. SAME GPU. SAME features minus the webcam.
Plus, I'm compairing it to the "20 iMac, NOT the "17 model. I figure, XPS costs more than twice as much, why not have some fun with it.
Liquidmark 5 years ago
In Terms of price, the cost really is just plain debateable because of how customizable and how far they range depending on what you chose. Hows it a waste of money there start out systems are not even that expenseive and provide great power. Ill admit I like gaming and if you look at it PC's in general are for gaming. I get total usability out of Pc's not so much from a mac. And WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU to say what i cannott afford. Seeing as its the computer im on right now as i type.
Elementfire0666 5 years ago
I'll tell you who the fuck I am. I'm someone who wants to see a screenshot. That's who.
PROOF or get the fuck out!
Liquidmark 5 years ago
Yeah, the same OUTRAGEOUS, REDICULOUS, YOU-HAVE-TO-BE-AN-IDIOT-TO-BUY-IT PRICE.
icer22x 5 years ago
icer22x,
You say this, But Apple has best of category pricing for most of their models.
iMac=Best All-In-One price
Mac Mini= Best mini computer price
Mac Pro = BEST price for a workstation with it's configuration.
Plus the Macbook and MB Pro have respectable prices. They ALL can run Windows, Linux AND OSX.
Liquidmark 5 years ago
Compared to what? Other over-priced Macs? Face it, it is so obvious that Macs are WAY to expensive for what you get. I can get a PC with better configurations for almost half the price of a Mac.
icer22x 5 years ago
Look, the Mac Pro costs less than a Dell with the same configuration. Cost waaaaaaay less than an Alienware with the EXACT same configuration. The woodcrest processors cost $1000+.
The iMac is an All In One configuration. You ARE NOT building a better machine for $500. The Core 2 processor ALONE costs over $300 at tiger direct.
You say you can build a better PC for about half with a better configuration?
PROOF OR GET THE FUCK OUT!
Liquidmark 5 years ago
Also when they release new Macs, they update all the specs and they're released at the same price.
Ranxston 5 years ago
Actually, when Apple updated their machines, they released them at an even better price! ^_^
Liquidmark 5 years ago
Yeah, thats the PowerPC to Intel, I mean when they upgrade the specs, not when they changed the processor.
Ranxston 5 years ago
They HAVE updated the specs. Has anyone been paying attention?!
It looks similar to the G5 on the OUTSIDE, but it is TOTALLY diffirent on the inside.
Plus the Mac Pro uses TOTALLY different logicboard, Processors, Ram, etc, than the Powermac G5.
I mean, geez. Alienware cases all LOOK alike, are they the same inside? NO! What makes you think it's the same for Apple?
Liquidmark 5 years ago
In fact, Apple updated the SPECS on ALL of their machines when they switched to intel. They updated specs even further after the Woodcrest, Merom and Conroe processors were released.
Not only did they upgrade the specs but they LOWERED PRICES on some models. only model that the price went up on was the Mac-Mini when they first switched it to Intel. Considering that it was made waaaay more powerful and could hold more ram that the G4 version, THAT balanced out.
Liquidmark 5 years ago
Are you even reading what I posted? I'm saying that when Apple updates the specs of their machines, the price remains the same. The major update to Intel was the only one who modified the price, it lowered it. When they update, they don't change the price.
Ranxston 5 years ago
When they updated to the Core 2 duo, and released a "24 iMac. They LOWERED the price of the other iMac models by HUNDREDS of dollars. They also added the amout of ram you get with those machines from 512 mb to 1 gb. They ALSO increased the amount of ram you can put into the machines. The ALSO put TWICE the front side Cache in those suckers. ALL for LESS!
What was that about them NOT changing the price?
Liquidmark 5 years ago
Let me just put it this way, Apple's prices are going down at a steady pace. Their machines are getting STRONGER at the same pace. Apple has started competing in both power and price once more. Other manufacturers prices stay up because their product lines are not streamlined enough. They are competing with themselves. The computers that sell have to pay for the ones that don't.
Apple is not that way. They are FINALLY doing some smart marketing. Problem is, Anti-Macheads can't see this.
Liquidmark 5 years ago
Actually, they also come in black, not only white and silver. As for it being more costly, this only applied with the PowerPC processors. If you would build your own Mac on the Apple website and build a Dell with the same specs, the Mac would cost you cheaper.
Ranxston 5 years ago
Gus Sorola = roxors!!!!1111oneoneoneoneoneeleven
buysell1213 5 years ago
who are YOU guys ?!?
unrealxXx 5 years ago
I agree with the aforementioned tech rule; never buy first-generation hardware, because this seems to be a common trend with Apple. Not only with hardware but software as well (the first release of Tiger comes to mind), the very first of it usually has bugs of some sort. Having said that, I don't think these are too bad. My MacBook has some flaws, such as the heat issue, but that's not a big problem to me and it still runs really well. It was worth every cent I spent!
discofreakboot 5 years ago
Who ever makes these anti-mac commercials are really dumb
JimmyAndCo 5 years ago
O' contraire not nearly as dumb as the people that keep making anti-pc commercials..
Elementfire0666 5 years ago
apple sucks, they have to use pc hardware because they can't keep up. (they never could) you're being tricked into buying a pc which is advertised as a mac. Good ipods though, except the f***ing itunes software that's lame as hell.
ginsengjin 5 years ago
Dude, this is one of the most uninformed things I have read in a long time. I buy Mac because of the OS and Indutrial design, which is best in market.
Liquidmark 5 years ago
you owe me 38 seconds
JamesBEAN 5 years ago
this is funny, because macs have lots of new features
but hey there's always vista right?
well,
there MIGHT be vista
how late is it now?
years?
Oliviacwh 5 years ago
It'll be out in 3 to 6 months
soadrocker856 5 years ago
Not an ounce of truth. My iMac actually has more features, power and costs THE SAME as the model that was released right before it.
Goodness, where do PC Heads get their info?
There's this thing,..It's called Google...Use it to get the FACTS straight.
Liquidmark 5 years ago
its called a parody. it doesnt have to make sense
StandardsDT 5 years ago
Yes, I know this. However, even jokes have to have some truth to them. I'm not even sure that the guy speaking even knows what a Mac is. Much less ever used one.
There are more legitimate things that could be said, by someone who knows what they are talking about.
Liquidmark 5 years ago
Oh and Macs are over priced. The new MacBook went from $999 to $1,099. Turns out Macs prices do go up a bit. Oh yeah and to say they don't have issues check out appledefects.com. Theres plenty of pictures of defected MacBook Pros.
StandardsDT 5 years ago
And Windows only machine like Dell never leave the factory with defects?
Apple wouldn't repair or replace defective machines?
BTW, I saw the site, one-sided drivel...
Liquidmark 5 years ago
there have been quite a few issues with Apple not repairing machines. For example the discolorment from the heat issues. Apple refuses to replace your computer if you tell them it has that. These two guys do own a Mac and thought theyd do parodies of the commercials. Thats all. If they have fun doing it thats all that matters.
StandardsDT 5 years ago
Hmm, Has Apple ever refused to repair YOUR Apple product due to an error or defect on their part? I mean, the Macbook Pro is under warrantee, I have heard of folks that needed their fixed and got satisfaction with no debate or arguement. I have NEVER had a single problem with Apple hardware in over 20 years.
Parodies are fine, but when there is little-to-no fact in a joke, It kinda sounds stupid to those that know better.
Liquidmark 5 years ago
ive never owned own an Apple. Do I think they are nice machines? Yes I do but right now I refuse to get one until they fix the heating issues in the MacBook Pros. Yes the MacBook Pro may be under warranty but for whatever reason they wont replace the plastic top that encases all the components.
StandardsDT 5 years ago
Hmm, I can see where that would be a problem. Apple is a company like many others in that regard. I understand your reasoning on this.
I didn't get the Macbook Pro, myself. I got the Intel iMac (Tho, I WANTED the G5, which was sold out). I have heard all kinds of heating issues from those. The Macbook and MB Pro seemed both rushed to the market to interest the switcher demographic.
Tech Rule #1: Never buy first generation hardware
Liquidmark 5 years ago
Aha! Closet Mac wanna-be user!
scottyp2 5 years ago
because the internet is 100% truthfull.
mac are overpriced pieces of crap.
you guys are just in denial.
PCs are better in every way. hell my PC is 4 years old and it runs the newest games and programs at high resolution and its just fine.
take HL2 for example 1600x1200 at 48 FPS on a 4 year old PC.
Yes i worked with macs for 2 fucking years untill finally i convinced the boss to dump the worthless POS macs are
stevefazek 5 years ago
For starters, if you have a mac that you don't want. Give it to me.
Seconds. You think they are over priced?
Dell XPS 2010 (Chosen because it has stats that are very close to present iMac and is in same category: All-In-One computer. Tho they like to CALL it a notebook)
http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/xpsnb_m2010?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs&~ck=mn
iMac
http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wo/0.RSLID?mco=EDB278F7&nclm=iMac
Liquidmark 5 years ago
You should check out the new Mac Pro. It's a little pricy if all you need is a basic home computer, but in that case you'd be fine with a mini. If you want power, than the Mac pro is actually cheaper than a Dell computer (I personally think Dells are the best of the PC market) with the same hardware configuration. Mac Pros are also highly upgradable and they come standard with quad processors!
discofreakboot 5 years ago
Good point, the Mac Pro costs less than a Dell with a similar configuration however. Dual-Core-Dual-Processor configurtions are extremely rare on the PC market. $2,500 is rather a bargain for something as powerful as the Mac Pro.
I can't wait for the Mac Pro benchmarks to hit the net. That'll be sooo sweet!
Liquidmark 5 years ago
Alienware best on the PC market ... not dell you stupid people. Pretty much all Alienware's will have Dual-processors, and there better in terms of price and power
Elementfire0666 5 years ago
Um, Alienware makes the best GAMIN computers. Anyone who spends more than $400 to play a game is a retard.
Anyhoo, Mac Pro costs less than equivalent Alienware by far. You ARE NOT going to ge a Alienware with aDual core-dual processor woodcrest configuration for $2500. Nope, NOT gonna happen.
Plus...Here's the shocker...DELL OWNS ALIENWARE! O_O
Liquidmark 5 years ago
Yea they do make the best gaming computers thats kinda obvious. However there not intened for only gaming as you put it. Also on there Area-51 7500 starting out systems you can get Intel Dual Core proccesors in the package which is $1899. I doubt how much youv've even looked on there site. There starting out systems arnt that expensive at all and most come with intel dual-core now. You don't seem to know much about alienware or the prices. Your full of shit ;p
Elementfire0666 5 years ago
What the? I keep up to date with alienware and their prices. At the time I posted my response, AW didn't have affordable Dual-Core machines. Look at the date!
Now, ALL computer manufacturers have at least one dual core machine on the shelves.
Plus, the starting price for an AW more than I would pay for a machine that is Windows only.
Liquidmark 5 years ago
OK, went back and made an ALIENWARE build to match the Mac Pro.
Alienware: MJ-12 8550i
2X2.66 WC Xeon
2 GB Ram
256 MB Vram
No display
$4,363!
Mac Pro
EXACT SAME CONFIGURATION!
$2,799.00!
Liquidmark 5 years ago
Why the hell would you pay that much for an Alienware when you can just build it yourself for more than half the price, the way you want it? Seriously, if you're not smart enough to do that or consider that, well... You deserve to be stuck with a Mac.
akhardadat 5 years ago
It's rather stupid to use Alienware to compare with mac. ALienware's are like the roll's royces among pc's and are much much more expensiver than other pc's with the same spec.
namdang 5 years ago
LOL..Elementfire0666.. dude i think you should probably know that Alienware is a dell franchise..LMAO