A debate on gay rights under Article 377 Part 3

[girlcalledaish]

ppl need to understand that sex and love does not always hav to lead to children....wat anout the straight couples who cant have kids

we dont decied wat is natural and unnatural

someone else baing gay and havingsex with their partner will ot harm u or society

[Fonzie223]

@girlcalledaish Tell that to a 3 or 4 year old so they can understand it. Again you fail to acknowlege common sense right or worng. Childeren at heart know that women and men are meant to be together. It's only when someone is so selfish and undisiplined that they will push thier own sexualy choices before and on childeren which by the way has a impact on the innocenice of a child.

[girlcalledaish]

u come across as quite ignorant to think ppl push the idea of homosexuality on kids....hello a lot of homos have said they have felt this way sinse they were kids

btw when parents find out their kids might be gay they try to push them the other way in the hopes that they will become straight....not a single homosexual has said they decided to be gay(many even said if they had a choice they could have changed)

do ur research

[girlcalledaish]

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[Fonzie223]

@girlcalledaish So according to you Kids have sexual urges? Hello Kids are very pure and the adults influence the childeren. All influence is learned by a child good and bad. So to attempt to sit back and justify being gay from the time of a child is ignorant. childern don't know sexuality or have urges..... Again they are learned from the adults around the childern.

[girlcalledaish]

like i said before u seem very ignorant

have u ever heard of the psychological terms oedipus complex and electra complex??? u may want to look them up.

i would rather belive a psycologist than an ignorant homophobic person like u

[girlcalledaish]

btw sexuality is not an adult territory.....kids do have urges mainly out of curiosity

[harshm2u]

@Fonzie223 Animals like bears don't get lesson about sex from their parents. The message is already coded. And not all kids who turn out to be homosexual have homosexual parents. Hell, some of them don't even live in a culture which has the definition of homosexual. Yes, they can suppress their urges. But it won't make them one bit heterosexual.

[Fonzie223]

why not view as it is... Sex is a choice. Sex is personal choice.... when your personal choices affect others then there are problems... if gay people can't understand that simple view then they really have issues. Being gay is simply wrong.

[sazji]

@Fonzie223 To have sex or not to have it is a personal choice. Orientation (who is and is not sexually attractive to you) is not a choice. Being gay is simply a fact in societies, despite murder, torture and other abuse intended to "stamp it out." Because heterosexuals just keep giving birth to more.

[Fonzie223]

@sazji, Attractions don't give sexual choices morals. Again there is a natural order to things, to stand back and justify your actions based off of pure attractions is simply wrong. Two men can't repoduce but they want to play husband and wife, ummm Why since it's so natural to be gay why do they just simply go and play gay..... why to do they need to act like heterosexuals? Again your sexual choices don't justify changing laws since they are personal choices.

[sazji]

@Fonzie223 Morals are relative, they change from society to society, especially concerning what is an acceptable relationship/marriage or not. They want to be couples because they are human, and coupling is a basic human instinct. A heterosexual relationship includes a lot more than penis-in-vagina, making babies, thus reproduction is not a criterion for allowing heterosexuals to marry. There is support, both physical and emotional.

[sazji]

@Fonzie223 Still there are many gay people who don't care about marriage and are perfectly happy to live as a couple outside formal legal status. Most of them would simply like to be left alone, but many societies won't do it. They can't "go away" because there are people hounding after them in the name of "God." We mostly agree that majority does not give automatic justification to abuse of a minority, and the most advanced countries in the world try to practice this.

[girlcalledaish]

being gay is natural

having a mentality like urs is wrong

sex is a choice but not the sex drive

u dont chose who u are attracted to

i have never heard a gay person say they chose to be gay

y would they make a choice to be discriminated against

[Fonzie223]

@girlcalledaish, so by your theroy, then we should release all sexual preditators due to the fact that they didn't choose to be violent, or rape. Again to claim you have an attraction to something that is simply wrong doesn't make acting on the attraction correct..... there have been many time I was attracted to the idea of choking the crap of someone but I know right from worng. Again Sexual issues is a pretty simple issue. Try using common sense when talking about being gay.

[girlcalledaish]

ok first of wat 2 consenting ppl do in private is none of ur fucking business

rape and violence and not consenting acts..they are forced acts which is against the law coz u are causing harm

being gay n having consensual sex should not be a crime and is not wrong(y should it affect u?)

thats common sense....

[saadaya]

anybody that used the bible to speak of sexual morals definitely has NOT read it. biblical sexual values are immoral and profoundly vulgar: women are property appraised at 50 silver coins in deuteronomy 22 in the bible, lot used to get drunk and have sex with his two daughters, abraham and isaac were polygamous and treated wives unequally and their families were all dysfunctional, muhammad was a pedophile whose youngest wife was 9 yrs old. Is this the standard that people should try to hold?

[sazji]

@saadaya Yep, that's good old family values! Somehow I think that these sorts of things would all be legalized if fundamentalists had their way. It's about men and maleness dominating women and femaleness. And ignorant women get right on the bandwagon. Note that the good black-clad women of Yemen were out protesting in favor of marrying off children (read: little girls) because the Prophet did.

[girlcalledaish]

@saadaya thats true we cant use religious texts to justify how we live

its not relavent in todays world.....a lot of cultures are against adultery but it happens n not many ppl are speaking out against it like this issue

[saadaya]

at 2:00 this priest is blatantly lying when he says church has nevr condemned homosexuality. church has always been hostile to gays, the church used to cook gays alive in the public square in front of the eyes of children and of everybody during the dark ages in europe and if they could have their way they'd be doing it today

[sazji]

@saadaya They're all so steeped in doctrine that what they say is like a recording - it's become so second nature to spew this nonsense to believers who are also steeped in it that they have lost their ability to hear it for what it really is. And what they are afraid of is not so much gays per se, it's having to confront their own beliefs and admit their cruelty. Very difficult to do when you have spent years convincing yourself that you stand for benevolence. Never mind those bonfires....

[Sam5700]

When u saw red face of someone, than start slapping your face to be like them. Bullshit!

[nikhilyt]

muslim and christian penalists are hate mongers

[humbleRaj]

HATE is The Basis of The Two DEATH CULTS From The DESERT.