Simultaneous Communication is not a language. (Re: Audism in Gallaudet)

[scribecheri]

Wow! That is so perfect! You did GREAT job!! I want to show my sign language college students - okay with you???? I will explain what you wrote about your story first. Nice work!!!! ;)

[DeafJennyWitty]

Dr. Pettito in 1970s already proved beyond doubt that Sim Com does not work (and should NOT BE USED).... so why do some people /school still use it? Makes me mad!

[freelancereader]

I'm a Noda (my uncle is deaf) and an interpreting major (soon I'll graduate!) I don't like sim com at all. When I'm with my boyfriend (hearing) and my roommate (deaf) sometimes I'll ask if I can 1st sign then after speak, so I can give an accurate expression of what I'm trying to say. The point of language is to communicate, if you fail on both ends, then there is no point to using it. While signing one, then speaking might take longer, everyone is involved and can understand.

[seanlets]

I agree! Sim Com is awful. I am hearing, and I am an interpreter, and sometimes I am forced to use it depending on the situation. Sometimes I need to sign for a deaf student with a hearing teacher nearby and I'm forced to use sim com - it is awkward, clumsy, and uncomfortable.

[xenophile2]

(Part 2) One time I was sitting in the middle of an audience (not near the front) and an ASL user started to simcom. Because I was not close, I couldn't hear as much. I wear a hearing aid and if I were close it would have worked for me. This made me realize that I depend on sound to understand simcom. I tried some without my hearing aid (only visual), and I realized I could understand ASL better than simcom. To me, simcom BENEFITS those who can hear over those who are visual. Interesting.

[xenophile2]

Yes, exactly. Adding voice gets in the way of the natural facial expressions (including mouth movement) of ASL). The one thing I disagree with is the "lips off" you signed. ASL has its own mouth movements and the mouth can't do ASL and English movements at the same time. Sim Com also gets in the way of the word order that ASL uses, because the English almost always dominates. It's not an equal loss of clarity, ASL loses more.

I know this from personal experience, and I will add to this.

[eyepoetic]

@xenophile2

I wanted to clarify that "lips off" I signed that I mean, not need to use a words as oral- mouth. Of course, ASL has own NMS that part supports a facial grammar and ASL grammar.

[jlyertv]

This makes me curious. Now, I'm deaf, but often I find myself in places where most people can hear, and only one or two can sign. Let's assume that they are fluent in sign (like an interpreter), and that sim com doesn't respect both languages rules...

How do you suggest that hearing person make sure that I a can participate in the conversations? Obviously, not signing anything doesn't work, but at the same time if they interpret everything, it might not be possible for them to participate.

[Shelllium]

I was just thinking about this the other day!  Seen several family members lately that talk and sign at the same time...what comes out on their hands is sloppy, lacking in facial expression, grammatical use of space, signs are missing or mis-articulated on hands. I agree...really bummer to have that idea to talk and sign same time. Spoken English comes out OK...not great but OK...signs are really poor (sometimes) not everyone but many hearing with marginal signing skills use TC..unclear. THX!

[spiderjumpify]

Yeah, I can't speak and sign at the same time. Speaking english and signing ASL are two different things.

[BigBenFactor]

Hey!! That is my halo above your head!! Give it back!

[eyepoetic]

@BigBenFactor

HA! This halo is for all Deaf people in our community. Smiiles, it is not just for you- Big Ben Factor!

[BigBenFactor]

@eyepoetic LOL, I will give you that. OK. For all Deaf people in our community. :D

[Hedor]

Two thumbs up!! This is best description!

[obriensign]

This is an AWESOME and very clear explanation of how "sim com" doesn't respect English or ASL. Thanks for posting, I can't wait to share this with my ASL students!

[eyepoetic]

@podsaich

NAD's mission statement that values our Deaf rights includes ASL, however their action approaches are not always be there, its tough. We could create an offical ASL organization and we often gets attacking by other people for "too strong" or else. Actually, it would be excellent for us to have a pure ASL organization and it would show big different in our community. Look at AG Bell, biased on spoken/hear only and its unethical business. I hope NAD changes for better! SOON!

[ASLforever100]

That is true. ASL is very good education.

[grandma2maj]

Ruthie I love to see you sign ASL!!!! I may not understand it all but I love your expression and I can catch quite a bit! I agree with your point (but only because you wrote it in English above. :)

[eyepoetic]

@grandma2maj

Smile, I'll add caption to my vlog soon and you can get full information.

Peace

[grandma2maj]

@eyepoetic Love you Ruthie!

[eyepoetic]

@grandma2maj

Smile, Big hugs to you!

[ASLFuel]

Yes!

[SpringyJulie85]

Hey! Thanks so much for adding your video. I enjoyed watching it! Could you please add captions to your video, if you don't mind? The hearing community needs to be educated on this issue. Thanks!

[eyepoetic]

@SpringyJulie85

Yeah, I got some comments that wanted add captions to my vlog and I will do it soon.

[askeung87]

never really thought of it like that until you demonstrated the two languages. Good description and example.