@munkyusm They know a lot of people question their official story, they have the resources to produce in order to prove those suspicious of the official story wrong, and they refuse to produce it. I have to wonder why...
@munkyusm Perhaps its not about what did bring them down, but what DIDN'T. I'm not sure that I buy the missile hitting the Pentagon, although I do find it suspicious in the extreme that the most camera-covered facility on the planet only released an illegible 5 frames of the explosion from one of its parking cameras, and then proceeded to confiscate surveillance tapes from all surrounding businesses. So again, maybe it's not what about did hit the Pentagon, but what didn't.
@cdizzzzle Did you even watch the video? Both reporters are saying that the Salomon Brothers building (WTC 7) had ALREADY fallen when it can be clearly seen in the "live" shot that WTC 7 is still standing. Whether or not there was a conspiracy, and whether or not the reporters were told of it (if there was a conspiracy) is irrelevant to the fact that an event was reported as already-happened... before it happened. Are both of these reporters psychics?
@Echelon2600 Is there 100% certainty that that's WTC7? If you have a website that absolutely proves that that's building in the background is 7, I'd greatly appreciate it.
@munkyusm Familiarity with the New York skyline/layout is proof to anyone who has such familiarity. If you're uncertain, compare the video to hundreds of news broadcasts pointing out the building, specifically. I'm not clear - are you offering proof that the building highlighted in the video is not WTC7, or just inquiring?
@Echelon2600 Just inquiring. It's always easy to just assume that it is. I'm completely objective to 9/11. Always trying to find any real evidence that it was a conspiracy.
@munkyusm Regardless of whether the event was exactly and precisely everything gov't officials and mainstream media say it was, or whether it was something more sinister, (a) it was a horrible, treacherous and utterly sinful act of mass murder and whoever did it is going to burn, and (b) it's being capitalized upon and used in a psychological manner eerily familiar to the "threat of Jews" not so long ago in Germany - and we all know full well how that turned out.
@munkyusm So I take a step back and make my higher concerns be, first the lives that were lost, and, second, how the event is being capitalized upon to pass a flurry of "laws" that would make the alleged "Founding Fathers" roll over in their graves.
@munkyusm By information in the report, the report happens around 5PM. Sun sets in the west. By the sun's shadows on Jane and the backdrop buildings, you can tell she's facing generally solar north (a few degrees off magnetic north). By the shadows on the shoulder/face, the sun is right about her 260 degree mark. That at least gives you relatively close orientation to start.
@munkyusm If you can find a city map for the area of the event, and identify some of the other buildings in the backdrop, should be easy to see where WTC7 is, and figure out how feasible/likely it is (or isn't) that the building in the video is WTC7.
@munkyusm We'll never have smoking-gun, indefensible proof. So if you're most interested in who did it, all you'll have is indicators... so you have to look at patterns/numbers/types/consistencies of indicators and make reasonable, common-sense conclusions.
I'm most interested in the lives that were stolen and everything that has come out of the event, and is still coming out of it. I just thought this video was interesting (look around -- there were similar live reports by other media outlets). The main questions you should ask yourself, and really search your soul over, is whether or not you feel your government would have any part, great or small, directly or indirectly, in such an event.
@munkyusm The primary reporter, Jane Standley, has spoken out about this issue (numerous resources readily available for your research). She has expressed concern and disgust over the "conspiracy" allegations, she has complained about the "persecution" she faced over it -- but, to my present knowledge, has never said anything to the effect of, "that was not building 7 in the background," or, "we didn't report building 7 falling before it fell."
@Echelon2600 I saw an interview with her. She claims it was a mistake. What if the mistake was this - everyone said the building was going to collapse, which many had said well before it did, so she just made a mistake and reported that it had in fact collapsed before it actually did.
@MrCleanandWhite Nah, reporters normally don't read from a teleprompter on site. The kind of cameras that have teleprompters are the gigantic ones that are more or less stationary and stay on the news set. When reporting live from a scene, they use much smaller cameras that can be carried around.
@MrCleanandWhite Nah, reporters normally don't read from a teleprompter on site. The kind of cameras that have teleprompters are the gigantic ones that are more or less stationary and stay on the news set. When reporting live from a scene, they use much smaller cameras that can be carried around.
Man, busted, busted and your lying asses can't be trusted. No dis-info agents here because the evidence speaks for itself. She's saying that building 7 has fallen and it's still clearly standing. How did they know it was gonna fall? Just a question?
@Daddyo930 Just to play devil's advocate...didn't everyone know the building was going to collapse long before it did? They cleared everyone out of it long before it collapsed because they suspected that it would.
@munkyusm Building 7 was a type 1 building. Steel frame and capable of withstanding a complete engulfing fire on all floors. NIST has admitted in their report on building 7 that for 100 feet it experienced free fall. The only way something can be in free fall is if all resistance is removed beneath it.
@munkyusm Are you aware that Cheyney stated that the plane over Shanksville was shot down?
/watch?v=ucGCs0hl9S8
Echelon2600 5 months ago
@munkyusm They know a lot of people question their official story, they have the resources to produce in order to prove those suspicious of the official story wrong, and they refuse to produce it. I have to wonder why...
Echelon2600 5 months ago
@munkyusm Perhaps its not about what did bring them down, but what DIDN'T. I'm not sure that I buy the missile hitting the Pentagon, although I do find it suspicious in the extreme that the most camera-covered facility on the planet only released an illegible 5 frames of the explosion from one of its parking cameras, and then proceeded to confiscate surveillance tapes from all surrounding businesses. So again, maybe it's not what about did hit the Pentagon, but what didn't.
Echelon2600 5 months ago
O yes, they planned this massive conspiracy and then told the news reporters? Yeah that makes sense.
cdizzzzle 5 months ago 4
@cdizzzzle Did you even watch the video? Both reporters are saying that the Salomon Brothers building (WTC 7) had ALREADY fallen when it can be clearly seen in the "live" shot that WTC 7 is still standing. Whether or not there was a conspiracy, and whether or not the reporters were told of it (if there was a conspiracy) is irrelevant to the fact that an event was reported as already-happened... before it happened. Are both of these reporters psychics?
Echelon2600 5 months ago
@Echelon2600 Is there 100% certainty that that's WTC7? If you have a website that absolutely proves that that's building in the background is 7, I'd greatly appreciate it.
munkyusm 5 months ago
@munkyusm Familiarity with the New York skyline/layout is proof to anyone who has such familiarity. If you're uncertain, compare the video to hundreds of news broadcasts pointing out the building, specifically. I'm not clear - are you offering proof that the building highlighted in the video is not WTC7, or just inquiring?
Echelon2600 5 months ago
@Echelon2600 Just inquiring. It's always easy to just assume that it is. I'm completely objective to 9/11. Always trying to find any real evidence that it was a conspiracy.
munkyusm 5 months ago
@munkyusm By literal definition of the word, 9/11 was a conspiracy. The question is - who were the conspirators? :^)
Echelon2600 5 months ago
@munkyusm Regardless of whether the event was exactly and precisely everything gov't officials and mainstream media say it was, or whether it was something more sinister, (a) it was a horrible, treacherous and utterly sinful act of mass murder and whoever did it is going to burn, and (b) it's being capitalized upon and used in a psychological manner eerily familiar to the "threat of Jews" not so long ago in Germany - and we all know full well how that turned out.
Echelon2600 5 months ago
@munkyusm So I take a step back and make my higher concerns be, first the lives that were lost, and, second, how the event is being capitalized upon to pass a flurry of "laws" that would make the alleged "Founding Fathers" roll over in their graves.
Echelon2600 5 months ago
@munkyusm As to your original comment, that it is easy to assume, agreed, and it's something we all must be careful of.
Echelon2600 5 months ago
@munkyusm By information in the report, the report happens around 5PM. Sun sets in the west. By the sun's shadows on Jane and the backdrop buildings, you can tell she's facing generally solar north (a few degrees off magnetic north). By the shadows on the shoulder/face, the sun is right about her 260 degree mark. That at least gives you relatively close orientation to start.
Echelon2600 5 months ago
@munkyusm If you can find a city map for the area of the event, and identify some of the other buildings in the backdrop, should be easy to see where WTC7 is, and figure out how feasible/likely it is (or isn't) that the building in the video is WTC7.
Echelon2600 5 months ago
@munkyusm We'll never have smoking-gun, indefensible proof. So if you're most interested in who did it, all you'll have is indicators... so you have to look at patterns/numbers/types/consistencies of indicators and make reasonable, common-sense conclusions.
Echelon2600 5 months ago
I'm most interested in the lives that were stolen and everything that has come out of the event, and is still coming out of it. I just thought this video was interesting (look around -- there were similar live reports by other media outlets). The main questions you should ask yourself, and really search your soul over, is whether or not you feel your government would have any part, great or small, directly or indirectly, in such an event.
Echelon2600 5 months ago
@munkyusm The primary reporter, Jane Standley, has spoken out about this issue (numerous resources readily available for your research). She has expressed concern and disgust over the "conspiracy" allegations, she has complained about the "persecution" she faced over it -- but, to my present knowledge, has never said anything to the effect of, "that was not building 7 in the background," or, "we didn't report building 7 falling before it fell."
Echelon2600 5 months ago
@Echelon2600 I saw an interview with her. She claims it was a mistake. What if the mistake was this - everyone said the building was going to collapse, which many had said well before it did, so she just made a mistake and reported that it had in fact collapsed before it actually did.
munkyusm 5 months ago
@munkyusm Google "Building 7 pics" and see for yourself The unmistakable "colored bar section" at the top is a very unique feature to that building
64Ways2Die 2 months ago
bugger i was the 911th viewer :-(
coolhandfinn 6 months ago
Bear in mind she is reading a teleprompter which already has the script of what she is saying typed on it.
Which means that it was pre-approved by a news director and then someone else had to type it into the teleprompter for her to read.
They would have known hours before this building was due to fall...if not days before
MrCleanandWhite 7 months ago 2
@MrCleanandWhite Nah, reporters normally don't read from a teleprompter on site. The kind of cameras that have teleprompters are the gigantic ones that are more or less stationary and stay on the news set. When reporting live from a scene, they use much smaller cameras that can be carried around.
munkyusm 5 months ago
@MrCleanandWhite Nah, reporters normally don't read from a teleprompter on site. The kind of cameras that have teleprompters are the gigantic ones that are more or less stationary and stay on the news set. When reporting live from a scene, they use much smaller cameras that can be carried around.
munkyusm 5 months ago
Man, busted, busted and your lying asses can't be trusted. No dis-info agents here because the evidence speaks for itself. She's saying that building 7 has fallen and it's still clearly standing. How did they know it was gonna fall? Just a question?
Daddyo930 10 months ago 4
@Daddyo930 Just to play devil's advocate...didn't everyone know the building was going to collapse long before it did? They cleared everyone out of it long before it collapsed because they suspected that it would.
munkyusm 5 months ago
@munkyusm Building 7 was a type 1 building. Steel frame and capable of withstanding a complete engulfing fire on all floors. NIST has admitted in their report on building 7 that for 100 feet it experienced free fall. The only way something can be in free fall is if all resistance is removed beneath it.
Daddyo930 5 months ago