Dude, I have been saying this since Gears came out!!! Nice vid. We need to start a Twitter campaign @ Cliffy, Rod, Epic and the Official GoW3 Twitter account.
Wow, I've never played Gears 1 before but from this video I know this needs to change...Sometimes I'll be trying to jog backwards to get behind some cover and it'll take me forever =\
Its true, I liked the first gears mp significantly more than that of the 2nd one, and I couldn't quite figure out why. Now I know, the feel is too different.
i always figured it was because theres a lot more going on in the game in the second one than in the second they they had to bring down the framerate .... hmmm cause if you have too much going on too fast it could make the game crash or whatever?
@llMurall Also, Epic put it in multiplayer by MISTAKE. So this was actually an error on Epic's part. This wasn't something Epic meant to do. And people hate it.
@BarrytheSuperScot Whether it was intentional or not doesn't make a difference to me. And if it was such a big mistake they would've fixed it 6 TU's ago. And until you can give me a good argument for why the new CMS is bad, I still say that you and the other people who hate it are just refusing to adapt to change.
@llMurall The video explains it all pretty well, perhaps you should watch it. The game feels much better faster. And the majority agree.
The reason it wasn't fixed was because by the time they noticed it they couldn't change it (apparently), I think that's BS but that was the excuse.
As for refusing to adapt to change, I think diving forwards to move faster is the way we adapted (It's only way to). I can't wait for Epic to change it back to the correct speed in Gears 3. Faster RR = Better RR
I still don't get why Gears2's slower CMS is such a huge problem. The difference isn't so big that the game is unplayable, and it doesn't cause any problems.
@llMurall I think having to tap A every 2 seconds to move faster is a HUGE problem. This is also the biggest rquested change to gameplay for Gears 3 on the Gears forums.
to all the GOW2 haters... This game is fucking awesome. Get over it. IF you dont like this game go play Gears one with everyone else that doesnt like this game. I LOVE gears one. But i LOVE gears 2 just as much. Epic Games is amazing and i cant wait for GOW3
to all the GOW2 haters... This game is fucking awesome. Get over it. IF you dont like this game go play Gears one with everyone else that doesnt like this game. I LOVE gears one. But i LOVE gears 2 just as much. Epic Games is amazing and i cant wait for GOW3
@BarrytheSuperScot i know what its about im just saying, trust me when going over cover in gow1 its like you hover for a bit before landing and on 1 you cant pull back from cover once you slide to it youve gotta hit the cover first unlike like on 2, yeh they could speed it up but id like it if they kept what i mentioned about cover in the game
@ekdantus I notice no difference going over cover to be honest, it's not much faster if at all. And I think the cover system is fine in 2 (if a bit too sticky at times, randomly stick when you want to roadie run/evade, which wasn't as bad in Gears 1), but that's got nothing to do with this...
@brent3250 Hell, you can even SEE they move slower in the video as the time it takes them to take a step is CLEARLY different. It is then further proved when I sped up the video so they match and they were perfectly in sync for each step.
@BobbyBushtail "Tacticle cover based shooter" is another thing I don't like people calling this game. Play Ghost Recon for that sort of game. Gears is different with it's high health and gameplay.
@BarrytheSuperScot ya i find it strange that epic keeps pushing for this "tactical cover based shooter" and yet at the same time they contradict them selfs by giving the player such high health and low damage weapons(well except for the shotgun). Just seems like they are running in circles lol.
@BobbyBushtail Obviously don't know what you're talking about. The depth of Gears 1 was linked to it's speed. And the shotgun argument is bullshit. If someone tried to rush me with a shotgun (in Gears 1) I'd take out my lancer and shoot them down BEFORE they got close enough. Or even use my pistol and pop their head off (which was also removed from Gears 2, only works on the 3rd down).
@TheFreeMindGamer It's not an opinion if it was a mistake Epic made. Hopefully they'll fix it for Gears 3 so you don't have to jump like an idiot every 2 seconds to move faster.
@TheFreeMindGamer You just kinda voided your own misguided "opinion" there. Who wants to play against only bots? Xbox Live is where it's at. They should've just increased the speed! The point was it's STUPID to run & roll and it's the ONLY way to move faster and it shouldn't be. The games campaign SPEEDS UP to GOW1 speed during action (check the other video for this) and apparently this was the speed the MP was SUPPOSED to be! Faster = more fun.
GOW2 online was one of the most frustraiting things i have ever played with. all it consists of is rolling+shotguning, and lag. its not fun at all, i mean like who wants to play a game that takes 2 clips to kill an enemy? and he can kill me in 3 shots, like wtf
@GunDude545 If you were a hardcore Gears 1 player then this IS a HUGE difference. It's clearly noticible. And the fact that the evade is the same speed as it was in Gears 1 means you move faster when you evade, hence the reason everyone does the stupid "roadie run and roll" when playing online. :(
I agree on this topic 100%. I play both games but when I play Gears 2 I'm more annoyed that I most slow as hell and my shotgun has become practically worthless unless I'm host. You also left out that because of low CMS people are wallbouncing everywhere looking like gay ice skaters (See: Johnny Weir) and contrary to pop. believes the wall bounce doesnt make you a "1337 uber MLG pro!11!!" It makes you a scrub that can't dodge/land a shot without jumping around like a crackhead ODing.
@Fuckhead1976 IMO i like wallbouncing.....it gives you more than one option to get out the way rather than just diving....because if you play it long enough your gonna eventually catch on someone just diving out the way all the time...but good topic non the less....
And yes....increase the movement speed Epic....take it back to the roots....
It appears the CMS was lowered 14% in Gears 2 as well
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Originally Posted by joeGraf
Nope. It was lowered for single player reasons and then accidentally included in MP. But it was that way for 2 years, so everything is built around the newer speed.
So the speed decrease was a mistake in the mp of Gears 2..and they didn't notice that before they shipped it??!!!
I was hoping this video would display to Epic why the slower speed is stupid. Unfortunately it seems they want to just ignore it for Gears 2... They better not have it so slow in Gears 3. I think I should make another video: "What Epic should do for TU6"...
If they fixed the game right and increased CMS to GOW1 speed, fixed shotgun consistency off-host, the shotgun pop shot pellet spread, put back in melee stun, fixed the chainsaw stun glitch and fixed the few remaining other glitches then I'd say GOW2 was the superior game.
Not much is left to be fixed, this is about all. I can accept the lag issues as they'll never be fixed.
But don't forget they added CSHD on bullet based weapons, made the cover system function much better, and made you vulnerable during executions among many other things. i think the pros outweigh the cons now, though I am still dumbfounded as to why they refuse to put back in the melee stun.
They added CSHD? But the lag seems worse than the first so that's not really a pro if you can't hit the target half the time due to lag. The cover system, if you ask me is worse as you stick to stuff far too easily. I've lost count the amount of times I've accidentally stuck onto walls I was nowhere near. This results in deaths when I try to roll/run away. CMS increase would help.
I'd forgive a lot of things if they just increase CMS, add melee stun, sort the shotgun pop-shot + other glitches.
I do notice the Lancer working on laggy games but not to the same strength it is with host, and it seems to have no stopping power in those games too.
And I mainly stick to walls because the CMS is so slow and because you have to dive to move faster and if you're within 10 feet of a wall the character will go toward it like a magnet. And with others doing this too you all get stuck. It's far too senstive and not as smooth as the first game where getting stuck was a rare occurance. CMS FTW! ;)
Hm, it's the exact opposite for me. If I go back and play the first one I get stuck on everything. And not being able to cancel out of it makes it worse.
Yesterday I played the GCON event and I used mostly lancer, and shotgun when the situation called for it.
The stopping power worked fine, and was the only reason I was alive, and the CSHD on the shotgun was noticeable as well, as guys would blow up outside of my crosshair if I shot them when they were in it.
As I said, if they added back in the things I mentioned I would say the game was superior to Gears 1, but right now, it feels slow and clunky. Having to evade to move faster is stupid and is more than likely going to get you stuck.
In Gears 1 you had to be somewhat close to a wall to stick to it. So you hardly ever get stuck when you didn't want to. It's the opposite in Gears 2, you may want to brush past cover but you'll get sucked into it. And whether you can cancel or not won't stop that.
AHH I think you know what I know. you know that the evade speed is too fast for our connection and thats why we get all the glitches (even the guys that have a realy good connection). it's nice too see that some one find the problam I found
Thanks for making this video. Although I'm a big Gears2 fan, I do agree that they slowed it down too much. I wouldn't mind if they slowed it down just a tad, but they went slightly overboard. Maybe Gears 3 they will speed it up a bit, but I doubt it, cause Epic is always preaching how they really need this to be a tactical, cover shooter, and increasing the speed may just increase rushing and such.
Well, if Epic actually listen to their fans they'd increase the speed for Gears 3. The thing is, they couldn't have slowed it down to make it more "tactical" as the faster speed actually exists in the game during action. I don't know why they can't have that speed. It won't do anything bad to the game (quite the opposite), they couldn't have meant they wanted you to dive to move faster surely? That would just be stupid.
You should compare the amount of walls you can touch with wall bouncing in both to see if there is a difference. Loved this vid but that was one thing I was hoping to see. Make sure in the gears of war 2 vid you actually touch the wall not just air bounce.
I have to say that sticking to walls in this game is a problem, far too sticky. Having to dive to move faster doesn't help the problem either as you could accidentally stick to a wall when you dive.
Anyway, my video was never really meant to display wall-bouncing. Maybe for a future video.
I'm positive they didn't. And if they did they didn't explain exactly why (I'm not counting what JoeGraf said to YourDevy as it explained nothing). There is no reason to have a slower speed when the campaign can support the speed with no problems whatsoever, it actually makes the campaign more FUN when it does speed up.
The fact that the first game managed it with no problems shows to me that there is absolutely no reason for this slow speed. I shouldn't need to tap A to dive to move faster. :(
Um, play Gears 1 and try lancering in that. It's MUCH easier in Gears 1 to lancer someone down. The Lancer was more powerful in it. It' weak in Gears 2 and takes a lot more shots.
60%+ of Gearheads want the Gears 1 speed back, less than 20% want to keep the current speed (and thus roll to move faster, which is stupid) let's hope Epic pay attention to their fans and increase the speed next time.
I know it's like 80% but on the poll on the Gears forum 60% want GOW1 speed, roughly 20% want faster but not Gears 1 speed (makes no sense) and roughly 20% want the same slow speed... they must not realise that rolling makes you move faster...?
there are more stalemates in gears2 than gears1 due to host, lag, charachter speed... they should put the speed back and put roadie blast back since its all b button and modded hammerbursts that game isnt even fun graphics blow but i sure hope they fix that game up because i dont like playing against dial up connections and glitchers...not to mention starting out with crabwalk gltich at spawn
gears of war was so successful because it was different then other games because you could roll around and shotgun battle i think a lot of people are starting to turn away from the gears of war 2 because of how epic wanted to make the game more tactical. most people dont want to wait ages to finish one round if everyone lancers and hammerbursts, they want a fast paced shotgun battle
dude u have to admit EVERYONE mostly uses the Shottie,yes i know other weapons got merits,but the shotgun is the most used weapon and im not the only one to say this
Im not really against it,its just that things get stale cuz of that
And you're still moaning about only the shotgun. It's still the most used weapon, by the way. I'd like them to speed it up again, it's too slow now. I don't mind the power so much. It should at least be Gears 1 standard with an active reload, but that's nothing to do with the topic.
No. You move faster in the campaign during action!
It's not more tactical, it just makes it boring. People still shotgun rush because of this.
It's slower because people couldn't handle it in Gears 1. Epic should listen to those who loved it the way it was. It needs to be faster and so does the shotgun.
Nothing needed changed but now everything needs fixed because they did change stuff.
And the speed definately does need increased in MP.
u have to understand epic does not care about what the ppl who are good at games want all they want is to please the massive amounts of ppl that suck at the game and arent as good so they slow down the game and put delays in so the noobs wont get mad and not buy there game, its about the money to epic not about the true diehard gamers, same goes for bungie, only true company out there seems to be infinityward =D
Good video. At least now I know why evading my way across the map is faster than running.
I'm hoping that Gears 2 - while still a good game in many aspects - succeeds in its purpose to get newer players into the game. I want Gears 3 to be fast-paced and somewhat 'hardcore' again. I think Gears 2 lacks a difficulty curve, and I sure hope that Gears 3 brings it back again.
Good use of the music, makes it seem like a funeral: Gears 2 is dead as far as I am concerned. Even if they changed the game speed back, the amount of PR needed to bring players back would be cost prohibitive. Good vid. I just play Gears 1. The old maps are the best anyway, and it doesn't get old if you find a hardcore group to play with. At least a 100,000 people still play, so jump in! Gears 2 is laggy with the slow speeds and 10 players, which I always felt was too many and unnecessary.4vs4!
wow finally...someone that adresses the issue with the roadie-run roll technique that MANY ppl use to either run faster or get a power weapon faster than someone whose just roadie running. That def needs to be fixed.
great vid! I've been playing Gears 1 since it came out, so when I tried Gears 2 I had the feeling I have in nightmares where things are in slow motion and when you try to do things they don't happen right away, like playing in thick sirup!! Really frustrating... back to playing Gears 1 full time now :((
Wow dude... they made them slower because they would be easier to hit with shotty lag... If you make them fast and have the same amount of lag it would be impossible to hit someone with a shotgun...
Laggy games happen because it's the HOST connection that is not good for you. Either because IT is not good or it is far away. Not the other way around.
Gears is the way to go...
LICKTYxSPLIT 1 week ago
gears 1 > gears 2
SnakeOnHabbo 3 weeks ago
Gears1*
highwaysonyfan87 1 month ago
All I will say is hears 1 the characters felt like tanks. Although movement is slower in 2, characters control more smoothly
highwaysonyfan87 1 month ago
Played Gears 3 beta, and no worry anymore with speed.
KevinZS 6 months ago
Gears of War will always be better than Gears 2, hell without Gears 1 no Cole Train Rap!!!!!
TBOxL3GEND4RYx 8 months ago
i think they fixed the speed lol gears 3 is alot faster now
Hypezalot 8 months ago
its retarded how much epic changed gears of war 2, its like they wanted to fail.
iAmMasterF 9 months ago
Heh Nevermind I just saw the link. Excellent work man! I am SOOOOOOOO EFFING HAPPY!!!!!
GSPwner 11 months ago
Dude, I have been saying this since Gears came out!!! Nice vid. We need to start a Twitter campaign @ Cliffy, Rod, Epic and the Official GoW3 Twitter account.
GSPwner 11 months ago
new kids who couldnt get the hang of gears two just adapted to two piecing ruining the game for more experienced gamers
ThyBlob 1 year ago
Thumps up If you like Gears of War 1
esteban3363ajno82 1 year ago 3
Seems Epic took notice and made sure they upped the movement speed back to it's original state for Gears 3. This was a success! :D
BarrytheSuperScot 1 year ago 7
@BarrytheSuperScot So in gears 3 we can expect the movements like in gears 1?
maarten833 1 year ago
@maarten833 Yup. it has been confirmed on the gears forums. Check the link in the description.
BarrytheSuperScot 1 year ago
gears 1 looks faster to me brahh lol
joecool0090 1 year ago
Wow, I've never played Gears 1 before but from this video I know this needs to change...Sometimes I'll be trying to jog backwards to get behind some cover and it'll take me forever =\
RicHen0405 1 year ago
Definately.
UKRickie 1 year ago
Its true, I liked the first gears mp significantly more than that of the 2nd one, and I couldn't quite figure out why. Now I know, the feel is too different.
I support GOW 3 smooth combat movement.
Tinman888100 1 year ago
I like how you used cole's rap for the ending perfectly. :)
Unholy1 1 year ago
i always figured it was because theres a lot more going on in the game in the second one than in the second they they had to bring down the framerate .... hmmm cause if you have too much going on too fast it could make the game crash or whatever?
DeadReckoning93 1 year ago
@DeadReckoning93 Nope. Completely and utterly wrong. If anything the framerate is better in Gears 2. Watch the other video.
BarrytheSuperScot 1 year ago
i remember when u get teabag as fast as possible in gow 1 when ur against the wall but was nerfed in gow 2 since too many nubs complained
Fale83 1 year ago
@Fale83 the scrubs that complained in gow 1 can go fuck themselves for screwing up the gameplay.
hardkoregamer999 1 year ago
@llMurall Also, Epic put it in multiplayer by MISTAKE. So this was actually an error on Epic's part. This wasn't something Epic meant to do. And people hate it.
BarrytheSuperScot 1 year ago
@BarrytheSuperScot Whether it was intentional or not doesn't make a difference to me. And if it was such a big mistake they would've fixed it 6 TU's ago. And until you can give me a good argument for why the new CMS is bad, I still say that you and the other people who hate it are just refusing to adapt to change.
llMurall 1 year ago
@llMurall The video explains it all pretty well, perhaps you should watch it. The game feels much better faster. And the majority agree.
The reason it wasn't fixed was because by the time they noticed it they couldn't change it (apparently), I think that's BS but that was the excuse.
As for refusing to adapt to change, I think diving forwards to move faster is the way we adapted (It's only way to). I can't wait for Epic to change it back to the correct speed in Gears 3. Faster RR = Better RR
BarrytheSuperScot 1 year ago
@llMurall You're wrong. Go on the forums and try and say that. You'll get laughed at.
BarrytheSuperScot 1 year ago
I still don't get why Gears2's slower CMS is such a huge problem. The difference isn't so big that the game is unplayable, and it doesn't cause any problems.
llMurall 1 year ago
@llMurall I think having to tap A every 2 seconds to move faster is a HUGE problem. This is also the biggest rquested change to gameplay for Gears 3 on the Gears forums.
BarrytheSuperScot 1 year ago
I agree with this in every way
EnjoyTheMorningView 1 year ago
to all the GOW2 haters... This game is fucking awesome. Get over it. IF you dont like this game go play Gears one with everyone else that doesnt like this game. I LOVE gears one. But i LOVE gears 2 just as much. Epic Games is amazing and i cant wait for GOW3
GambleTheJ 1 year ago
to all the GOW2 haters... This game is fucking awesome. Get over it. IF you dont like this game go play Gears one with everyone else that doesnt like this game. I LOVE gears one. But i LOVE gears 2 just as much. Epic Games is amazing and i cant wait for GOW3
GambleTheJ 1 year ago
if you actually compare things like getting into and out of cover and getting over cover, stuff like that, gears two is a lot damn faster
ekdantus 1 year ago
@ekdantus No, not really.
Besides, this is about movement speed. It makes the game feel slow and clunky.
BarrytheSuperScot 1 year ago
@BarrytheSuperScot i know what its about im just saying, trust me when going over cover in gow1 its like you hover for a bit before landing and on 1 you cant pull back from cover once you slide to it youve gotta hit the cover first unlike like on 2, yeh they could speed it up but id like it if they kept what i mentioned about cover in the game
ekdantus 1 year ago
@ekdantus I notice no difference going over cover to be honest, it's not much faster if at all. And I think the cover system is fine in 2 (if a bit too sticky at times, randomly stick when you want to roadie run/evade, which wasn't as bad in Gears 1), but that's got nothing to do with this...
BarrytheSuperScot 1 year ago
gears 3 will the greatest game ever made if they make it like gears 1
gears 2 is absolute bullshit online and im sick of it
nsjsjsjsd 1 year ago
@nsjsjsjsd i feel exactly the same buddy
mickles21486 1 year ago
Damn i never noticed how slow they are
staindjason1 1 year ago
maps are bigger dumbass , you can easilt see that from the comparison , speed hasnt changed the map size has
brent3250 1 year ago
@brent3250 You're obviously blind and the dumbass here.
They are identical in size and the speed HAS slowed down. Epic even said so themselves. Idiot.
BarrytheSuperScot 1 year ago
@brent3250 Hell, you can even SEE they move slower in the video as the time it takes them to take a step is CLEARLY different. It is then further proved when I sped up the video so they match and they were perfectly in sync for each step.
BarrytheSuperScot 1 year ago
@brent3250 your an idiot if you cant see a speed difference
mickles21486 1 year ago
@brent3250 stupidest comment ever!!
LukeZmedia 1 year ago
@BobbyBushtail "Tacticle cover based shooter" is another thing I don't like people calling this game. Play Ghost Recon for that sort of game. Gears is different with it's high health and gameplay.
You kinda missed the point I was making too.
And clearly lots of people "give a shit".
BarrytheSuperScot 1 year ago
@BarrytheSuperScot ya i find it strange that epic keeps pushing for this "tactical cover based shooter" and yet at the same time they contradict them selfs by giving the player such high health and low damage weapons(well except for the shotgun). Just seems like they are running in circles lol.
ThePizzaMan09 1 year ago
@BobbyBushtail Obviously don't know what you're talking about. The depth of Gears 1 was linked to it's speed. And the shotgun argument is bullshit. If someone tried to rush me with a shotgun (in Gears 1) I'd take out my lancer and shoot them down BEFORE they got close enough. Or even use my pistol and pop their head off (which was also removed from Gears 2, only works on the 3rd down).
BarrytheSuperScot 1 year ago
I think that the slower speed is better, it makes the game look a little more realistic.
TheFreeMindGamer 1 year ago
@TheFreeMindGamer It doesn't make the game "look" any more realistic.
And as it turns out Epic had the slower speed in MP by ACCIDENT.
BarrytheSuperScot 1 year ago
@BarrytheSuperScot Well, that's your opinion. I like it slower.
TheFreeMindGamer 1 year ago
@TheFreeMindGamer It's not an opinion if it was a mistake Epic made. Hopefully they'll fix it for Gears 3 so you don't have to jump like an idiot every 2 seconds to move faster.
BarrytheSuperScot 1 year ago
@TheFreeMindGamer Well just don't roll&run! Of course kinda dumb if you are on Live but in Local matches vs. Bots it's better.
TheFreeMindGamer 1 year ago
@TheFreeMindGamer You just kinda voided your own misguided "opinion" there. Who wants to play against only bots? Xbox Live is where it's at. They should've just increased the speed! The point was it's STUPID to run & roll and it's the ONLY way to move faster and it shouldn't be. The games campaign SPEEDS UP to GOW1 speed during action (check the other video for this) and apparently this was the speed the MP was SUPPOSED to be! Faster = more fun.
BarrytheSuperScot 1 year ago
@TheFreeMindGamer And it's not just that, the first game was more responsive too, but I digress.
It's unlikely now they'll fix this MISTAKE but here's hoping they'll do it right for Gears 3 and the majority of the gears forums support it.
BarrytheSuperScot 1 year ago
@TheFreeMindGamer how is jumping faster than running realistic ?
crosbyj25 1 year ago
same shit at least u get 2 play the game
nessa101xx 1 year ago
GOW2 online was one of the most frustraiting things i have ever played with. all it consists of is rolling+shotguning, and lag. its not fun at all, i mean like who wants to play a game that takes 2 clips to kill an enemy? and he can kill me in 3 shots, like wtf
nice video, i never notice those
bbbb111cccc 1 year ago
i hope epic really listen to it's fans and do this, among other things.
come on epic, we want this done to gears of war 3.
please don't screwed up again like you did with gears 2.
Beto8891 1 year ago
the changes are not big of a deal. if there is a huge difference then there is
GunDude545 1 year ago
@GunDude545 If you were a hardcore Gears 1 player then this IS a HUGE difference. It's clearly noticible. And the fact that the evade is the same speed as it was in Gears 1 means you move faster when you evade, hence the reason everyone does the stupid "roadie run and roll" when playing online. :(
BarrytheSuperScot 1 year ago
I agree on this topic 100%. I play both games but when I play Gears 2 I'm more annoyed that I most slow as hell and my shotgun has become practically worthless unless I'm host. You also left out that because of low CMS people are wallbouncing everywhere looking like gay ice skaters (See: Johnny Weir) and contrary to pop. believes the wall bounce doesnt make you a "1337 uber MLG pro!11!!" It makes you a scrub that can't dodge/land a shot without jumping around like a crackhead ODing.
Fuckhead1976 1 year ago
@Fuckhead1976 IMO i like wallbouncing.....it gives you more than one option to get out the way rather than just diving....because if you play it long enough your gonna eventually catch on someone just diving out the way all the time...but good topic non the less....
And yes....increase the movement speed Epic....take it back to the roots....
Ce1sius 1 year ago
Originally Posted by lobo
It appears the CMS was lowered 14% in Gears 2 as well
Quote:
Originally Posted by joeGraf
Nope. It was lowered for single player reasons and then accidentally included in MP. But it was that way for 2 years, so everything is built around the newer speed.
So the speed decrease was a mistake in the mp of Gears 2..and they didn't notice that before they shipped it??!!!
gunsnroses123456789 1 year ago
rolling is faster than running what a peice of shit. EPIC better not fuck up gears 3 like they did gears 2
gunsnroses123456789 1 year ago
@gunsnroses123456789
I was hoping this video would display to Epic why the slower speed is stupid. Unfortunately it seems they want to just ignore it for Gears 2... They better not have it so slow in Gears 3. I think I should make another video: "What Epic should do for TU6"...
BarrytheSuperScot 1 year ago
i miss the old CMS, but i'd still much rather play the second one over the first.
although when the game launched before all the updates were put in... well that's a different story
ilikepie11111 1 year ago
If they fixed the game right and increased CMS to GOW1 speed, fixed shotgun consistency off-host, the shotgun pop shot pellet spread, put back in melee stun, fixed the chainsaw stun glitch and fixed the few remaining other glitches then I'd say GOW2 was the superior game.
Not much is left to be fixed, this is about all. I can accept the lag issues as they'll never be fixed.
BarrytheSuperScot 1 year ago
But don't forget they added CSHD on bullet based weapons, made the cover system function much better, and made you vulnerable during executions among many other things. i think the pros outweigh the cons now, though I am still dumbfounded as to why they refuse to put back in the melee stun.
ilikepie11111 1 year ago
They added CSHD? But the lag seems worse than the first so that's not really a pro if you can't hit the target half the time due to lag. The cover system, if you ask me is worse as you stick to stuff far too easily. I've lost count the amount of times I've accidentally stuck onto walls I was nowhere near. This results in deaths when I try to roll/run away. CMS increase would help.
I'd forgive a lot of things if they just increase CMS, add melee stun, sort the shotgun pop-shot + other glitches.
BarrytheSuperScot 1 year ago
they did add CSHD, but it's kinda faulty on the shotgun if you get into a REALLY laggy game. Same thing with the snipe.
but it's certainly there, especially on the AR's, it works flawlessly.
and i never get stuck on walls in gears 2, due to the fact that you cancel going into cover by simply holding the analog stick away from the wall.
ilikepie11111 1 year ago
I do notice the Lancer working on laggy games but not to the same strength it is with host, and it seems to have no stopping power in those games too.
And I mainly stick to walls because the CMS is so slow and because you have to dive to move faster and if you're within 10 feet of a wall the character will go toward it like a magnet. And with others doing this too you all get stuck. It's far too senstive and not as smooth as the first game where getting stuck was a rare occurance. CMS FTW! ;)
BarrytheSuperScot 1 year ago
Hm, it's the exact opposite for me. If I go back and play the first one I get stuck on everything. And not being able to cancel out of it makes it worse.
Yesterday I played the GCON event and I used mostly lancer, and shotgun when the situation called for it.
The stopping power worked fine, and was the only reason I was alive, and the CSHD on the shotgun was noticeable as well, as guys would blow up outside of my crosshair if I shot them when they were in it.
But as I said, I miss the OG CMS.
ilikepie11111 1 year ago
As I said, if they added back in the things I mentioned I would say the game was superior to Gears 1, but right now, it feels slow and clunky. Having to evade to move faster is stupid and is more than likely going to get you stuck.
In Gears 1 you had to be somewhat close to a wall to stick to it. So you hardly ever get stuck when you didn't want to. It's the opposite in Gears 2, you may want to brush past cover but you'll get sucked into it. And whether you can cancel or not won't stop that.
BarrytheSuperScot 1 year ago
Gears 2 was and still is such a massive disappointment.
lmfao @ the cole train rap
EoCx 2 years ago
AHH I think you know what I know. you know that the evade speed is too fast for our connection and thats why we get all the glitches (even the guys that have a realy good connection). it's nice too see that some one find the problam I found
OZcomingFRoo 2 years ago
never really cared or noticed (bc i got gears 2 last week) but still good observation and well made video hope someone from Epic is listening.
treetheoak 2 years ago
gow2 is trash.
MrHav1k 2 years ago
Great work on the video.
pavi101 2 years ago
Aint the Maps Bigger in Gears 2?
That would explain it?
shiwayb 2 years ago
Did you even watch the video?
Same map.
Identical size.
The 2nd video further proves the slower speed.
BarrytheSuperScot 2 years ago
Thanks for making this video. Although I'm a big Gears2 fan, I do agree that they slowed it down too much. I wouldn't mind if they slowed it down just a tad, but they went slightly overboard. Maybe Gears 3 they will speed it up a bit, but I doubt it, cause Epic is always preaching how they really need this to be a tactical, cover shooter, and increasing the speed may just increase rushing and such.
Hero2many 2 years ago
Well, if Epic actually listen to their fans they'd increase the speed for Gears 3. The thing is, they couldn't have slowed it down to make it more "tactical" as the faster speed actually exists in the game during action. I don't know why they can't have that speed. It won't do anything bad to the game (quite the opposite), they couldn't have meant they wanted you to dive to move faster surely? That would just be stupid.
BarrytheSuperScot 2 years ago
Can you make a video of the shake increase?
FYFTheKid 2 years ago
I have an idea of doing it. If anything the shake increase shows up just how much slower it is if you ask me...
BarrytheSuperScot 2 years ago
hope they dont fuck up gears 3 like the did gears 2. i still like that game but the slowed it down way to much
kinggreg41189 2 years ago
gow 1 is wayy better
stotty94 2 years ago
You should compare the amount of walls you can touch with wall bouncing in both to see if there is a difference. Loved this vid but that was one thing I was hoping to see. Make sure in the gears of war 2 vid you actually touch the wall not just air bounce.
InsaneAryanWTF 2 years ago
I ment to say "amount of walls in a certain amount of time" sorry.
InsaneAryanWTF 2 years ago
I have to say that sticking to walls in this game is a problem, far too sticky. Having to dive to move faster doesn't help the problem either as you could accidentally stick to a wall when you dive.
Anyway, my video was never really meant to display wall-bouncing. Maybe for a future video.
BarrytheSuperScot 2 years ago
Wow they implemented this in the new update. What a waste...
They should have fixed lag, not this crap..
gothmusic11 2 years ago
No, TU5 does NOT implement this. Only the camera shake. What a waste.
And they CAN'T fix the lag.
BarrytheSuperScot 2 years ago
LOL i was hoping you would reply! HAHAHAHA got cha!
gothmusic11 2 years ago
In what way did you "get" me?
BarrytheSuperScot 2 years ago
You'll find out.
gothmusic11 2 years ago
Or I could just delete your comments.
BarrytheSuperScot 2 years ago
they tried to do everything possible to make this a noob friendly game and this is one way
SeNs3NoEviL 2 years ago 11
Is it possible that the map could be wider/bigger???
but yea i still know what u mean by slow both gears 1/2 have there goods and bads...
Ajocali18 2 years ago
No, they are identical, did you even watch the video?
BarrytheSuperScot 2 years ago
They've said this already, I'll repeat:
They had to change the CMS because it made it lag of something, (frame rate i think)
1andonlychrism 2 years ago
Where did they say this? Provide proof.
The CMS doesn't make the campaign lag, and it didn't make the FIRST game lag, so there should be NO problem.
I don't believe Epic have given us a proper reason for this slow speed yet.
BarrytheSuperScot 2 years ago
I saw it somewhere on the GoW froums, cant remeber where though - find out yourself :P
1andonlychrism 2 years ago
I'm positive they didn't. And if they did they didn't explain exactly why (I'm not counting what JoeGraf said to YourDevy as it explained nothing). There is no reason to have a slower speed when the campaign can support the speed with no problems whatsoever, it actually makes the campaign more FUN when it does speed up.
The fact that the first game managed it with no problems shows to me that there is absolutely no reason for this slow speed. I shouldn't need to tap A to dive to move faster. :(
BarrytheSuperScot 2 years ago
surely it was me that was locust sniper? :P
im positive i helped you do this... not dan and i dont get a special thanks :(
AnbuCalashnikov 2 years ago
No, you didn't help me out with this. It was only Dan and Chawkill. I just had you help me check something AFTER this video was made and released. :P
BarrytheSuperScot 2 years ago
ahh right :P
i just remember you telling me to to run about in gridlock :p
AnbuCalashnikov 2 years ago
everyone save yourself 20$ and just buy gears 1, better than gears 2 by far but both are fun
MootPoon817 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
im also glad they slowd down the movement speed...easyer to lancer down hehe :D
CocaColaMann 2 years ago
Um, play Gears 1 and try lancering in that. It's MUCH easier in Gears 1 to lancer someone down. The Lancer was more powerful in it. It' weak in Gears 2 and takes a lot more shots.
BarrytheSuperScot 2 years ago
@CocaColaMann
you're a dick, stop trolling.
Beto8891 1 year ago
How did you get the cole train rap i want it on my ipod!
Fall3nAng3ls 2 years ago
Recorded it from the game.
BarrytheSuperScot 2 years ago
Re: Recorded it from the game.
"Is that why WMG can't mute the video?"
Supermike6 2 years ago
Great vid man....don't listen to these other people
xgamerdudex 2 years ago 4
I LOVE (emphasis on love) that you deleted my comments.
I take it you don't like it when someone argues with you and they're right?
Darkcloudx20 2 years ago
No, you were wrong.
Very wrong.
BarrytheSuperScot 2 years ago
And I have nothing more to say to you.
60%+ of Gearheads want the Gears 1 speed back, less than 20% want to keep the current speed (and thus roll to move faster, which is stupid) let's hope Epic pay attention to their fans and increase the speed next time.
BarrytheSuperScot 2 years ago
Check your percentage...I agree we want the speed back but seriously not 60% of people want to its more like 80%
gothmusic11 2 years ago
I know it's like 80% but on the poll on the Gears forum 60% want GOW1 speed, roughly 20% want faster but not Gears 1 speed (makes no sense) and roughly 20% want the same slow speed... they must not realise that rolling makes you move faster...?
BarrytheSuperScot 2 years ago
there are more stalemates in gears2 than gears1 due to host, lag, charachter speed... they should put the speed back and put roadie blast back since its all b button and modded hammerbursts that game isnt even fun graphics blow but i sure hope they fix that game up because i dont like playing against dial up connections and glitchers...not to mention starting out with crabwalk gltich at spawn
xoHELLRAiZ3Rox 2 years ago 2
gears of war was so successful because it was different then other games because you could roll around and shotgun battle i think a lot of people are starting to turn away from the gears of war 2 because of how epic wanted to make the game more tactical. most people dont want to wait ages to finish one round if everyone lancers and hammerbursts, they want a fast paced shotgun battle
spitfires13 2 years ago 15
(Would've used more punctuation myself, but...)
EXACTLY!
;P
BarrytheSuperScot 2 years ago
u could have fast paced gameplay with lancers and hammerbrusts.. flanking and closeing in on the enemy after u pick off 1 or 2 of the other team.
The frist gears muilti player was never meant to be a shotgun orgy.
And when my team plays gears we own with lancers and the hammerbrust.
U also piss off alot of dum shotguners that try runing, wall-sliding, damasses.
And the only reason i used shotgun on the frist gears is because people cryd over how powerful the lancer was.
CocaColaMann 2 years ago
@spitfires13 what is so bad about using lancer it is a primary weopon but u are kinda right
matty072896 1 year ago
@spitfires13 hell yeah
chuckynoris4307 1 year ago
Good VID.
lilrocrell23 2 years ago
i really dont care bout movement speed or whatever,im just glad they made the shotgun ungodly,the shotgun is honestly all people used in Part 1
SuperTyrant20 2 years ago
Clearly didn't play the first one much then.
And that's nothing to do with this so go elsewhere.
BarrytheSuperScot 2 years ago
i HAVE the first one boy,and i played it for a year already,and i just mentioned the shotgun thing as a side thing
SuperTyrant20 2 years ago
Wow! A full year!!!!!111one.
And "boy" lol.
BarrytheSuperScot 2 years ago
yes a full year,what did i have to have since launch to know everything about it?sheesh,
oh and i call all strangers "boy".dont take it personally
SuperTyrant20 2 years ago
Don't call someone 24 years old "boy".
And I played the game for a full 2 years before Gears 2 came along and I still enjoy it now.
Faster, more frantic, more skill-based. No blackhole chainsaw rushing.
BarrytheSuperScot 2 years ago
i find myself going back and forth with part1 and part2,geasr1 has goods,and 2 got goods
SuperTyrant20 2 years ago
Also, your post WAS mainly about shotgun.
If you played Gears 1 enough you'd notice each weapon had their merits. Could down a shotgun rusher rather easily with the lancer, snub...
BarrytheSuperScot 2 years ago
dude u have to admit EVERYONE mostly uses the Shottie,yes i know other weapons got merits,but the shotgun is the most used weapon and im not the only one to say this
Im not really against it,its just that things get stale cuz of that
SuperTyrant20 2 years ago
And you're still moaning about only the shotgun. It's still the most used weapon, by the way. I'd like them to speed it up again, it's too slow now. I don't mind the power so much. It should at least be Gears 1 standard with an active reload, but that's nothing to do with the topic.
THE MULTIPLAYER IS SLOW. (compared to Gears 1)
BarrytheSuperScot 2 years ago
well i suppose it does need a bit of a speed boost,but not as fast as part1 ws cuz it was pretty much a shottie assault gun
SuperTyrant20 2 years ago
No, it needs to be as fast. There's a comparison video about the shotgun somewhere on youtube.
And that is what the fans want, so let's hope Epic listens.
BarrytheSuperScot 2 years ago
The reason that CMS is slower is to make the game more tactical and reduce shotgun rushing.
I like the more tactical feel to it, slower shotgun RoF and less shotgun bum rushing.
One thing I do agree with you with though is that dodging should not be faster than Rodie Running.
Darkcloudx20 2 years ago
No. You move faster in the campaign during action!
It's not more tactical, it just makes it boring. People still shotgun rush because of this.
It's slower because people couldn't handle it in Gears 1. Epic should listen to those who loved it the way it was. It needs to be faster and so does the shotgun.
Nothing needed changed but now everything needs fixed because they did change stuff.
And the speed definately does need increased in MP.
BarrytheSuperScot 2 years ago
Exactly ... If it ain't broke... DONT FUCKING FIX IT
They should have left it the way the first one was
Dark, Gritty, Fast Paced
NotSoHer0ic 2 years ago 2
I think this also affects strafing. I hate how the movement is so slow in GoW2.
cjgone2 2 years ago
u have to understand epic does not care about what the ppl who are good at games want all they want is to please the massive amounts of ppl that suck at the game and arent as good so they slow down the game and put delays in so the noobs wont get mad and not buy there game, its about the money to epic not about the true diehard gamers, same goes for bungie, only true company out there seems to be infinityward =D
iiiangryiii 2 years ago
Good video. At least now I know why evading my way across the map is faster than running.
I'm hoping that Gears 2 - while still a good game in many aspects - succeeds in its purpose to get newer players into the game. I want Gears 3 to be fast-paced and somewhat 'hardcore' again. I think Gears 2 lacks a difficulty curve, and I sure hope that Gears 3 brings it back again.
PrengOfficial 2 years ago
Good use of the music, makes it seem like a funeral: Gears 2 is dead as far as I am concerned. Even if they changed the game speed back, the amount of PR needed to bring players back would be cost prohibitive. Good vid. I just play Gears 1. The old maps are the best anyway, and it doesn't get old if you find a hardcore group to play with. At least a 100,000 people still play, so jump in! Gears 2 is laggy with the slow speeds and 10 players, which I always felt was too many and unnecessary.4vs4!
TheWolfDogMoon 2 years ago
Good Use of the gears music, lol.
And your point has been proved. I realised this long ago but i can still play both =]
SKazper 2 years ago
wow finally...someone that adresses the issue with the roadie-run roll technique that MANY ppl use to either run faster or get a power weapon faster than someone whose just roadie running. That def needs to be fixed.
IVISMiLESIVI 2 years ago
They also took out A. Carmine's wheezing while in roadie run.
Joshinnator 2 years ago
Gears1 FTW!!!
Core2TOM 2 years ago
great video, a lot of work, I agree with the speed increase
JAWSHAKES 2 years ago
great vid! I've been playing Gears 1 since it came out, so when I tried Gears 2 I had the feeling I have in nightmares where things are in slow motion and when you try to do things they don't happen right away, like playing in thick sirup!! Really frustrating... back to playing Gears 1 full time now :((
skyylaxoxo 2 years ago
Wow dude... they made them slower because they would be easier to hit with shotty lag... If you make them fast and have the same amount of lag it would be impossible to hit someone with a shotgun...
iseedeadpeepole 2 years ago
Wasn't a problem in Gears 1. Don't think that's the reason they slowed the game down.
It's nigh-on impossible to hit anything with a shotgun in a laggy game anyway.
Of course other things would need altered if the speed was back. That's completely obvious.
A faster shotgun could help.
BarrytheSuperScot 2 years ago
Gears 1 didn't have as laggy of a shotgun. Speed being at gears 1 and shotty lag of Gears 2. Not good.
iseedeadpeepole 2 years ago
then they should fix the lag!
MasterBamo 2 years ago
Yeah! Then increase the speed again! (including the weapon's speed!)
BarrytheSuperScot 2 years ago
If you have a bad connection that's your fault. Not EPIC's
iseedeadpeepole 2 years ago
Laggy games happen because it's the HOST connection that is not good for you. Either because IT is not good or it is far away. Not the other way around.
BarrytheSuperScot 2 years ago
And who blamed Epic anyway?
BarrytheSuperScot 2 years ago
great vid good work
xTRISKITx 2 years ago
Nice vid...
zIRELOADED 2 years ago
Great comparison vid!
ReubenDR 2 years ago
awesome vid dude!
bullsfan1512 2 years ago