Creationism Vs Evolution - Fun with Numbers

[paramattic70]

Creationist argument flawed from it's opening statement. " The Universe was created therefore there is a Creator". The truth- The Universe was created therefore it was created.

[tweesdy]

God bless !!! :- )

[666GOREGRINDER666]

If there is an INFINITE number of worlds, even if only 10% of them are inhabited then there is an INFINITE number of inhabited worlds. Infinity times .10 = infinity. That would simply give you an infinity/infinity. Which you could say it is infinity given if you chose 10x10^2353463463/10x10^342 it is still infinity.

[13Heathens]

@666GOREGRINDER666 I prefer Douglas Adams take on that - from the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Universe - There is no life in the universe.

[666GOREGRINDER666]

@13Heathens How can you even have the audacity to assume that? 500,000 million stars just in the Milky Way. Billions of galaxy sooooo an infinite number. An infinite number of habitable zones = an infinity number of possibilities for life. That is a very bold statement for someone so ill informed.

[13Heathens]

@666GOREGRINDER666 In accordance to current science the universe isn't infinite, regardless of whether I agree with said logic or not. The referenced number of stars in the Milky Way was the low end of several different estimates from astronomy related sites.

I used low end estimates to illustrate that even on the low end of the spectrum, using the numbers quoted by creationists, we'd still not be alone in the universe.

I'm sorry that you missed that point entirely ..

[FiverBeyond]

42 FTW!

[veganWiccan]

42!!!!!!

[Justintime4math]

BTW the current theory is that our universe is in fact finite, by virtue of the speed of light, and the fact that things so far away their light hasn't reached us clearly couldn't have effected us. But if it is infinite, having 1/10000 capable of supporting life still gives an infinitely many worlds. (I'm majoring in mathematics in college, see Set Theory, Cardinality of a Set)

[rgtjyj]

im sure you are right, but you cant deny that arguing about this stuff is simply just too much fun! lol

[Wanda4DecentValues]

Evolution is a religion in competition with Christianity. It has its adherents, priests and apologists. Since the priests are the ones manufacturing the 'evidence' they can be like the pagan priests who conjured 'magic' to convince the people to continue to support them.

[13Heathens]

You can climb back under your rock now. Zealots damage their own causes every time they open their mouths.

[molesniper666]

lol. You are silly.

[jymbo1969]

@Wanda4DecentValues lol science is a religion?

[majinbow]

when scientist can repeat the evolution theory in a laboratory by taking a couple of atoms and synthesize it into a human being, or to make it easier, into a plankton, then just maybe evolution might be taken a little more seriously. The fact is the evolution theory is like a new religion today that requires only believe, anybody can look at fossils and contrive or interpret any fairytale from it.

[goldgrif]

when god shows creation from dust of a human being then he will prove he exists and creation is true

[ThMrksman]

if*

[moarng05]

Taken a little more seriously? It's taken seriously by every credible, REAL scientist in the world. That means it's taken pretty seriously, I'd say.

Fossils aren't looked at and assumptions derived from looking them. Only an ignorant person with no real knowledge of science would assume that.

There is a difference between believing in a god because of a collaboration of books, and actually seeing evidence that we can draw conclusions from.

Only uneducated people don't take it seriously.

[majinbow]

The type of response expected from a preschooler, anyways do not make such foolish argument that lacks coherency and maybe thought. I could easily assume that u r not a scientist just like what u have foolishly have done. Do not waste my time by fulling my inbox with meaningless arguments, the next time I would simply think of you as a waste of life.

[moarng05]

Yes, I expected you would reply with such a comment.

I did not assume anything about you, although you have assumed much of me. I merely arrived at the conclusion that you do not have a good understanding of science based on your comment. You assumed fossils were looked at and philosophized on like they were some sort of book that needs interpretation. This is simply not the case, and to think that way shows a gross misunderstanding of paleoecology, and many other fields of science.

[snoman99991]

Nano-molecular manipulation is the kind of technology we cannot master today. That isn't to say we aren't working in such a fashion, but you're asking us to assemble a human from a great number of atoms and do so without the natural causes that instill personality and and the many psychological factors inherent in childbirth.

You are making an impossible request. Perhaps with billions of years to spare, we could seed life. That doesn't mean not being able to do so is valid as a cop-out.

[majinbow]

then do not speak of things u do not know of child

[snoman99991]

Well since you'd rather dip out of critical thinking, allow me to prose a question you cannot answer for the purpose of exposing your intellectual ignorance.

The problem of how life arose is one of complexity, no? Life is extraordinarily complex. By principle, anything that has a design must require something more complicated to have designed it. You prose that the world is very complex and implies a designer.

In order to explain complexity, you create something even more complex!  Foolish.

[majinbow]

you are not in my league to for me to engage in a debate with you, when you have become more learned, then maybe i will.

[snoman99991]

Ah, if I'm so uneducated, then simply refute my argument! I'm sorry but if I'm so simple that you can brush me aside, then by all means do so. But here's the catch. In order to refute my argument, it has to be done using correct logical statements and without making unsubstantiated claims.

Good luck.

[snoman99991]

One small note though. I'm well versed in evolutionary biology for someone who isn't an actual scientist. If you are an actual scientist and have the vocabulary necessary to discuss the particulars, you might have the edge on me. Otherwise, based on your previous statements I'm going to make the assumption you don't know what you're talking about.

If you are a creationist and cite the bible, consider that I was once Christian too and am capable of using that very document against you.

[snoman99991]

So I ask, if a designer must be more complicated than it's design, where does the infinite regression end? Because god must not have just sprung into existence (otherwise, why shouldn't the big bang be valid?), who created god? And that creator? Ad infinitum. If you say god is eternal (which is self-refuting due to bible referencing), why can't the universe be eternal?

You can call me a child if you'd like, but I will never pretend to know something if I happen to be intellectually bankrupt

[majinbow]

silly child, the analytical tool you use is quite linear, furthermore I have never stated anything about God, anyways education is for those who deserve.

[snoman99991]

Linear analysis is the foundation of quality logic. I don't argue semantics unless it's the hinging point of debate. This one is pretty cut and dry, and it hinges upon your misunderstanding and misrepresentation of evolution.

Your personal views about education are yours and yours only. They do nothing to refute my argument thusfar, and seem a bit like a red herring to me.

Do you have any response?

[snoman99991]

But you know what, I'll even refute what you had said before.

The theory of evolution is far more complicated than just looking at fossils. Paleantology (sp?) is just one facet of the theory. In fact, Mendelian genetics didn't even get recognized as evidence for the theory until well after Darwin was dead. With that insight, the theory of evolution via natural selection was much more accurate. Every day we find more and more evidence while creationism offers no such evidence. Poetry maybe.

[snoman99991]

Furthermore, you are talking about the theory of Abiogenesis, not evolution. Educate yourself on what you're trying to refute before you make yourself look silly.

[stonehartfloydfan]

I do not believe in evolution as it has no need for me to believe in it.

Instead I take it for what it is a logical theory that has stood up to the rigors of the scientific method for 150 years and through it we now have a far greater understanding of the development of spices here on our planet. Creationism has told us God Did IT which in short means nothing and tells us nothing.

[Cyntari]

13Heathens' quote, "I find myself wondering if humanity has yet earned the right to be considered a highly intelligent species?" Lets answer that with another relevant quote, "So long and thanks for all the fish."

[mgordonw23]

As I had mentioned in an earlier comment, I couldn't believe in "Darwin's" Theory of Evoloution. But, in order to believe in Creationism you have to believe in some form of evolution. Because we went from one classification of race (Whatever adam and eve were) to three (Negroid, Mongoloid and Caucasoid). CHeck this out guys, the likelihood of Darwin theory of Evolution being True is 1 in 10 to the 950th power! In other words humans coming out of Apes and Chimps...IS EFFING IMPOSSIBLE!

[yaerav]

Humans never "came out of apes". Humans ARE apes- and, by the way, genetically, chimpanzees bear a much greater resemblance to humans then to gorilla's- even most of the retroviral markers in the chimp-genome also appear in the human genome!

And of course, those markers could have been put there by God. But that would make God deceitful. Do you believe in a deceitful god, mgordonw23?

Belief or disbelief in evolution what you will. But apes are our cousins. Maybe Adam was a chimp, who knows?

[Faustuss1]

CHeck this out guys, the likelihood of Creationism being True is 1 in 45 to the 1054th power!

I can make up bullshit numbers too.

[carnedelobo]

You are correct! You are quite an intelligent being. Humans and chimpanzees originated from a prior species. Do some studying.

[orkasteez]

word my moms an evolution loving christian pope john paul 2 said evolution is cool it works and is true.......side note the faith blind fold chick had very hard nips.....i think god had a hand in those nips evolution

[orkasteez]

yup realllllllly big # which one does xenu live on i love you guys another nice vid even comedy is smarter than most ardent religious fundamentalist lmfao yeah i love how they hate coming from monkeys thats more magic than god shit me out i'd rather be a former ape that means hopefully my kids will be super alien

[shalindriaharam]

hi red and heathens.. interesting commentary. There was a lot of stuff left out of the Bible, like magnetars, red dwarfs, gravity, and even penicillin (that would have been helpful). The Bible is not a science book, so I don't understand where Creationists are coming from.

[RyuDarragh]

Keedor "Sphere. Thrown from hand to hand. Ball".

[TheSpiderMind]

Yes, it's 42!!!

[TheRealFollower]

"It is he that sitteth upon the CIRCLE*

of the earth, and the inhabitants

thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the

heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent

to dwell in." --Isaiah 40:22

*Circle=Hebrew "chuwg",meaning "sphere"

[RyuDarragh]

Nope.

[gappodnor]

I think it would have to with the perspective of the self aware individual. I have carried on discussions with internet bots that sounded really odd, yet did so for half an hour or was that a scientologist?

That point could also spin us into reproductive rights of a woman and the unborn baby, and when is man made artificial intelligence self aware and when will Skynet take over?

Both babies and computers have creators, why can't the time space continuum?

[peirigill]

I love that there are 42 ratings, as of the time I'm viewing this!

[gappodnor]

I will remain reserved until I see actual process of non-biological material make an uncontaminated transition to biological life. Then also have off spring that is beyond or more 'advanced' than the original stage it was at, from simple to more complex life. I may not see this in my life time, but remain open to the idea of evolution. The biology that makes up animals appear to be a more simple derived abstractions of more complex life that builds them, like bodily immunities and bacteria.

[darthspeaks]

What does Red look like?

[hhubble]

I was all for making fun of scientologists Heathen and red, but you have both crossed the line!!!! making fun of Christians is completely off limit. Wait, you named yourself Heathen!!!! it's like you knew you were trying to make fun of Christians from the beginning.!!!!

Great Video you two, as usual makes sense, and fun to watch.

I actually don't understand why some Christians insist on man and dinosaur co-existing. If this actually did happen, man would've worshiped the T-rex I'm sure of it

[xenuismaster]

Worshipped? We'd have ridden on her back and made ourselves god!....it's the human way.

Great Video, 13H. You continue to rock

[caekisalie]

Also as I read through the comments, I don´t think that attacking darwin as a person, or his flaws is relevant to the theory of evolution, since it has undergone some evolution itself.

It is now the work of many that has been reasearched, and refined.

so there is no use of attaking the one that happened to come up with the idea first.

[caekisalie]

one of my favorites on the topic watch?v=DTepA-WV_oE

also TED holds a lot of great talks about Evolution.

This is a field I could also do some videos about....

[Jmbrandon9]

havn't heard so many 'illions' since OTIII

[stuffisgd]

estimated 10 to the 21st power.

[domuka]

yay another 13 vid!!! :) keep up the info man

[mgordonw23]

Ok, I Will admit that I am a Christian that believes in Creationism. I can't bring myself to believe in the "Darwinistic" form of evolution, cause, well, he was a racist and sexist jerk and he used his theory to prove his thought process. But, to believe in creationism IS to believe in some form of evolution. How else can you reason going from One classification of race (WHatever Adam and EVE were) to three classifications of Race (Negroid, Mongoloid and Caucasoid)?

[whiff1962]

Where do you get the notion that he was a racist and sexist individual? Even if he were so, that would have no bearing on the hard science that he developed upon. To think otherwise is just being guilty of an ad hominem attack. And racial classifications are dated, and no longer hold, given the political and social evolution in the century or so since they (the races) were "codified".

[whovian1971]

well, he was a racist and sexist jerk

No, he was a feminist and an abolitionist.

[Vinzaf]

.. Darwin was actually quite a humanitarian. His family firmly believed in the abolition of African slaves, which were common in the day. He supposedly loved his wife greatly, since he mentioned her so much on his death bed.

Where the heck are your sources?

[TheEvilOfScientology]

"I can't bring myself to believe in the "Darwinistic" form of evolution, cause, well, he was a racist and sexist jerk and he used his theory to prove his thought process."

With respect, that is a slightly crazy way to look at things. Because someone has views you don't agree with, you chose to ignore the evidence? Would that mean that, for example, you wouldn't believe in the existence of the atom if John Dalton had been sexist or racist?

[caekisalie]

my point exactly

[KonijNx2]

Your ignorant insulting vision of Darwin is offensive. He was a very, very kind man way ahead of the curve in his time for family matters and extremely thoughtful. He withstood releasing much of his material because he did not wish to offend his wife whom he cared dearly about. As soon as his theory was out he was imediately persecuted by Christians, big suprise. Despite this his well-evidenced and logical hypothesis became one of, if not the most respected theory today.

[clawdfrawg]

I like that you discouse the Drake equatoin without any scarry words like equation.

[Nades129]

oh yeah!!! teh heathen takin on evol

[nodvick]

if it weren't for the video where red was wearing the mask and talking sometime last year.. this video would make me think you're faking her existence :p

[deisel1967]

Red makes this vid work. No offence meant to you 13H cos i love your work also man!!

[anonlul]

Thanks for the help, ambien doesn't always do it for me.

[blueghist]

I like Red :)

[blueghist]

LOL 42 , ill take the blue pill.

I wonder why Christians cant accept God creating evolution and the way things are, is it because they always have?

Some selective breeding maybe but not evolution.

[Kittrisa]

The dogma of the bible states that god microwaved the universe in seven days and not that he use a crock pot over billions of years. It further goes on to provide a time line of events and people that if followed backwards puts the universe's starting point about 4000 BC.

So to except that the universe is billions of years old, that life evolved over a very long time, and that humans were not created directly in to god's image would mean the dogma is wrong. Which by definition can't be.

[blueghist]

God also made a full grown universe with everything in place and in order, so putting evolution in motion isn't so much of a leap is it?

Kind of like accepting the Sun as the center of our solar system.