Sig Sauer ACP (Adaptive Carbine Platform) - SHOT Show 2012

[hazmatops]

WTF?



[martyscheuerjr]

Any idea as to where I can find out exactaly what pistols this will fit? Im trying to find out if it would be compatible with a Beretta 90-TWO.

[runner09114]

I agree, why would anyone ever buy something like this?

[cyclingtj]

So...take a small pistol and turn it into a really, really big pistol?

[brightube]

I'll never waste my money on this useless stuff.

[TopBanana360]

STOP MAKING THESE VIDEOS !!!

[2brothersadventures]

@TopBanana360 Why?

[RtdXyron]

This is kinda pointless...

[YoungSinatra25]

Anyone else notice he never mentions the folding stock on the weapon. Why? Cause you can't add forwards grips and stocks to pistols without a tax stamp. By doing so its considered a SBR.

[RtdXyron]

@YoungSinatra25 umm he did mention it... watch again... he also mentioned the register... 

[dafunkmonster]

It should be noted that this will MSRP for under $500...so, if you already own a full-frame pistol with a tacrail, you can upgrade it to a PDW with this rig for less than $500.

How much will a pistol-caliber "subgun" set you back?

[MrSugarJuice]

Can you say BULKY???

I knew you could!!

[ylism]

Another boat anchor.

[opmike343]

Oh Sig, what the hell has happened to you?

[soCernunnos]

So as expected ... if you actually put a stock on it, you'll have to get an sbr tax stamp. With the price of a pistol + this contraption (starting to hear MSRP ~$369 for the basic), you'd save money just buying a quality dedicated sbr. It is literally adding no capabilities to the weapon and many additional failure points.

I'd be upset that Sig was wasting their time with such a crappy product, but it looks like they put in no time at all.

[shmuckling]

yeah, a fail it is....

[smitty78787878]

Epic fail...unless you're a couch commando.

[n3qdz]

Why the hell would I want to junk up my pistol with extra crap that has a high (from what I see) high rate to fail. This is a miss sorry Sig! If it comes with a Sig price it will be way way way overpriced.

[capice2003]

Fnp .45

Tactical carbine!

[capice2003]

nice

I would throw that on my fnp 45 tactical!

[ST4leave]

They need to make fixed but stocks that we can attach and detach to our pistols. It’s one of the dumbest rules for pistols.

[Akitoscorpio1]

This just seems excessive......

[gunmum123]

how does one rack the slide?

[online247365]

@gunmum123: Somebody didn't watch the video before posting! Starting @ 1:55 in the clip above, you will see how to do it. Just above the fore end there is a charging handle that can be switched from one side to the other in order to accommodate left or right-handed manipulation of the slide. Hope that helped.

[55mrjb]

i guess if you wanted to make your nice hand gun look like a cheep uzi

[MegaLaidback]

worthless.



[808Arsenal]

holy shit that's the stupidest thing i've ever seen. If you're gonna go with a carbine, then why not just buy a carbine. Why am i going to gimp myself by using a handgun with a handgun length barrel and put a stock on it and hang 6 pounds of shit off it. Handguns are ment to be secondary weapons that you can deploy fast in the event your primary RIFLE goes down.

[sniperviper351]

@808Arsenal handguns are meant for close quarters combat try using a rifle in a 10 by 10

ft room its harder than it sounds using a rifle in cqc is like using a m40 in a small

house.

[808Arsenal]

@sniperviper351 and who said you have to use a carbine in a cqb situation?? In a cqb situation a handgun without 20 lbs worth of shit on your gun is going to be easier to manipulate. If you were knowingly going into a cqb situation, would you rather have this stupid shit which is basically a huge handgun that could potentially fall apart with hand capacity magazines shooting a handgun caliber with another handgun as a backup or a 11.5" sbr that shoots a rifle round with a handgun as a backup?

[dafunkmonster]

@808Arsenal I don't know about you, but a holographic sight, stock, foregrip, and less recoil are going to allow me to be a much more accurate shooter than if I were using just iron sights on a bare pistol. And then you throw a suppressor on there...the ACP rig will be more accurate with a suppressor than a bare pistol with a suppressor.

Just because you don't see a need for it, doesn't mean Sig shouldn't make it and make money from selling it.

[808Arsenal]

@dafunkmonster maybe you should just learn to shoot. But sure. Go ahead and buy that piece of shit if you want. If you need such a crutch to shoot accurately in cqb or you would prefer to use a handgun in a situation where a carbine would be more appropriate because you're cheap, then be my guest.

[online247365]

@808Arsenal: Why take a "handgun length barrel and put a stock on it"? It's much shorter than any M4 carbine currently employed abroad. This allows easier CQB work as less of the weapon is hanging out front of the operator! For kicking in doors in places like Baghdad, this type of system makes a lot more sense than an M4 Carbine! Also, let's not forget that the M4 only uses .223 (5.56 NATO) caliber bullets... This system + .45ACP = REAL stopping power!

[808Arsenal]

@online247365 First of all why don't you read all of my comments before posting. Because you just make yourself look retarded by basically coming up with points that i've already rebutted and debunked. An 11.5" sbr with 30 rounds will easier to manipulate in any cqb situation because it's more ergonomic. It shoots a rifle round which has more stopping power than any practical handgun round.

[dafunkmonster]

@808Arsenal Because a carbine will cost you upwards of a grand...this will cost you less than that, and makes use of your existing handgun.

[cox380]

Can't see shit

[Michael10091988]

Best of both worlds usually means its a compromise on both ends. This system will tank compared to normal subguns

[online247365]

@Michael10091988: Most civilians will never own a "subgun", Michael. To the average gun owner then, the Sig ACP is infinitely more useful. This adaptive system, while not perfect, also allows more flexibility than a single-caliber SMG!  Want a 9mm one day? No problem. .45acp another? No problem! How many subguns can do that?

[harpoclarx]

Can't wait till they make an airsoft. lol CRAP!

[WARxMACHINEm2]

Is it just me, or will the suppressor be a problem if the pistol has a ramped barrel? The tolerence is too tight for the can to rise with the barrel and your gun will jam.

[13thmistral]

basic model probabnly means you coud have all sorts of things on it that are exclusive to that platform(stocks, barrels, sights,....)

thats atleast my gues

[DarkKabut0]

Star Wars Hand Gun LOL

[packersfanover18]

if you want a carbine, bbuy one. Want a pistol, buy one

[13thmistral]

@packersfanover18 this thing is meant for placesd where you need elsewhere new papers for each new weapons or other reasons why this woud be a good idea

yes, it has been done already, and no those other things where not epic fails if talking about populairity

[dafunkmonster]

@packersfanover18 What if I want both, but don't have the money to buy a carbine AND a pistol?

[RtdXyron]

@dafunkmonster buy 1 and rob a bank...

[SaintCarnifex]

why not just by a kel-tec sub-2000 that takes glock 17 mags

[clap5]

@SaintCarnifex

because this one plateform will fit different pistols.

[capice2003]

@SaintCarnifex you dont get the modularity of any pistol caliber and also the sub 2000 isnt stocked with the quad rail

[online247365]

@SaintCarnifex: The fact that you asked "why not just buy a Kel-Tec?" shows how little you actually know about guns, my man.

[SaintCarnifex]

@online247365 I could say the same thing about you because you obviously do not seem to understand that the Sig Sauer ACP is nothing more than a waste of money, it does not increase the performance of the firearm whatsoever except in recoil management. Essentially with this you have nothing more than a heavier pistol, which just makes the whole point of even having a pistol moot. The Kel-Tec Sub-2000 is an actual subgun and with the barrel length on it 9mm hits as hard as a .357.

[haxila]

@SaintCarnifex Settle down, its a sweet idea. Sure it doesn't actually make the gun itself more accurate. But it will make the shooter more accurate. Theres no denying that fact. The stock attachment is going to allow people to hold it steadier which = better accuracy. More sight/scope options = better accuracy.

I think its a good idea. Not saying I'm going to go buy one. But it is a good idea.

[dafunkmonster]

@SaintCarnifex Recoil management IS accuracy, dipshit. A heavier gun is a more accurate gun. Physics 101.

The point of this rig is so that you don't have to buy a whole new gun...you can take your existing handgun and turn it into a PDW.

Conversely, you can't take a Kel-Tec sub-2000 and stick it in a holster on your hip.

The purpose of this product is to expand the versatility of your existing handguns.

[SaintCarnifex]

@dafunkmonster I didnt say anything about accuracy and I did acknowledge that it makes the shooter more accurate, dipshit. I was talking mostly about ballistics, like range, velocity and muzzle energy. If you put this on your pistol all you have is a handgun that is a pound heavier with a bunch of completely unnecessary rails all over the fuckin thing. Also, it does not make your handgun into PDW because PDWs shoot intermediate rifle cartridges instead of pistol rounds.

[fbs9494]

This is stupid.

[rvln42012]

i think u might scare the heck out of some people at the range LOL wtf! lol

[caliber454]

TRASH!



[SEAL9772]

There is no point in this.

[OutONoWhere]

Wow, I bet Robo Cop would love this! lol Definitely seems made for Hollywood...

[Armysniper72]

Gee. dosn't CAA already make something like this? Uhhhh the RONI and the KPOS. All that thing did was make a pistol into a freaking big pistol. Still not a SBR. I would rather pay the tax stamp and have the KPOS than that. Plus, I think that CAA might try to sue for taking there ideah. JUST WAIT AND SEE.

[online247365]

@Armysniper72: There are a lot of people living in states that don't allow Class 2/3 weapons so the tax stamp is not an option for them and therefore, neither is legally owning a SBR. According to ATF, any pistol that has a buttstock & a barrel length of less than 16" is considered to be a SBR and requires a tax stamp. RONI & KPOS are great but are model-specific! The beauty of the Sig design is that with a small adapter, almost ANY rail-equipped pistol is able to be used!

[SuperBlockster]

this looks like a failed try to imitate the magpul fmg9

[imgaryk]

I love Sig products, but this seems like a fail.

[FriendofCat]

Can you say Kluge!

[Redneckamerican5792]

haha the only thing I can think of is to put a sniper scope on the huge thing lol

[pock8size]

I think the Fab-Defense KPOS G2 for glocks is a bit better



[337BUS]

buy mp7 guys ...

[1IdeaAhead]

what do you gain? if it could handle the full auto glock them possibly?

[online247365]

@1IdeaAhead: Does the F/A Glock have a tac-rail on it? Yes! Besides being select-fire, the gun you're talking about is just a regular ol' Glock... It's essentially a model 17 with select fire. Of course this system will work with it!

[TacGuy45]

Wow! Seriously? Now i can turn my p250 into an even bigger disappointment. Sig needs to stick to improving their quality instead of designing the next biggest thing that no one asked for in the first place. Have had several of the newer Sig products, and honestly from here on out if i want a quality Sig product i'll keep my eyes peeled for the older P200 series made in Germany. Those were quality pieces. Sig's to worried about having the bigger market share or something.

[therealrrc]

@TacGuy45 Why dont you like the 250? I just ordered a 9mm kit for my 40 S&W. It only cost $200.00 for a whole caliber swap!

[Lvl22nerd]

this looks silly

[2LateIWon]

so whats the point of it?

[TheSimonboyle]

Not a full length rail if there is a gap. Pointless, make your pistol bulky and less ergonomic with no benefit.

[neonshoji]

Hera Arms TriARii anybody? That's essentially what this is, only the "ACP" has a crappy wire over folder available. No police agencies will buy these and anybody into NFA stuff probably has the money and smarts enough to buy a dedicated pistol caliber SBR. I can imagine some mall ninja putting a Surefire, BUIS, red dot, green laser and Magpul AFG on one of these so they can shoot 30rds off at the local indoor range. Too funny.

[online247365]

@neonshoji: The HERA, RONI, and KPOS models all allow a "mall ninja" to put that same crap on their gun. Without the folding buttstock, the "ACP" is not considered SBR and therefore requires exactly ZERO tax stamp and can be purchased/used by any gun owner! The HERA, RONI, and KPOS models all REQUIRE a tax stamp to be legal... If your point was that people that lack taste will continue to lack taste, I agree. What was your point, exactly?

[neonshoji]

Maybe the silliest thing I've seen at ShotShow (well, besides Mossberg's "tactical" lever rifle abomination.)

[aenhitchcock]

why so complicated? It is interesting though.

[venturahwy76]

Interesting but I don't get the point other than hanging a lot of stuff onto a pistol. Maybe if it gave your pistol a 16+ inch barrel and really turned it into a carbine.

[online247365]

@venturahwy76:  This system + 16" 1911 barrel (they make 'em) + Sig Sauer Tac-Ops 1911 = EPIC carbine!!!

[haxila]

@online247365 Win

[WesMerc]

Msrp?