I have no interest in the endless (circular) arguments between evangelicals and RC. You will never convince either side and minds are closed. What I find more interesting is the way history works under the Spirit. Back in 150 AD, every baptized worshipper went to communion, sort of like today. But afterward, for about1200 yrs.Catholics only communicated once or twice a year. Post-Reformation Catholics were told to go to the sacrament more frequently. But that is just 450yrs in an old church
To the faithful commenting: I learned a long time ago not to waste my time on protestant heretics. Shake the dust from your feet. Pray for them and all who reject the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church.
He then speaks of those Gentiles, namely us [Christians] who in every place offer Sacrifices to Him, that is, the Bread of the Eucharist and also the Cup of the Eucharist. - St. Justin Martyr AD 150
God speaks by the mouth of Malachi, one of the twelve [minor prophets], as I said before, about the sacrifices at that time presented by you: "I have no pleasure in you, says the Lord, and I will not accept your sacrifices at your hands; for from the rising of the sun to the going down of the same, my name has been glorified among the Gentiles, and in every place incense is offered to my name, and a pure offering, for my name is great among the Gentiles" [Mal. 1:10-11].
bornagainsaint1 I don’t believe you were a Catholic, if you were you were obviously a confused Catholic as Catholics do not worship Mary. We do honour her of course just as God honoured her by choosing her as the mother of the Word; “And the Word was made Flesh and dwelt amongst us “
@VIDOTRICHARDS i've dealt with this heretic a few weeks ago. he will ignore everything you say, cherry pick, put words into yor mouth, say; "you do worship mary, etc" despite the fact that you'd say; "we do not worship mary, I JUST SAID THAT." he will repeat the same garbage again. he is the biggest cherry picking hereitc here on YT.
Any one who calls themselves a Catholic should read the about the "Catholic Inquisition" and if you can read this History and still embrass the Catholic religion as the "One Holy and Apostolic Church" then you are lying to your own conscience. Even the followers of Hilter who still live today are in hiding and have changed their names for shame of the inhumanity of their former emperor.
John 6 is not about Christ's flesh and blood being made present in the Eucharist. Not really. (I mean, it's true; the Eucharist is Christ's body and blood.)
But it's really about how far you are willing to follow Christ. ;-) If you are not willing to follow Him even in the little, seeming absurd things like this (if some guy told you you were supposed to eat him, you'd think he was nuts), why would you follow Him in spiritual suicide? Dying to ourselves is 10 times crazier than the Eucharist.
For 1,200 years, the Catholic Church carefully copied the bible. The early Christians are Catholic and set all the traditions we Catholics follow today. We Catholics don't believe in lies, we believe in the bible, UNALTERED, handed down to us through the generations. If you know your history you will recall that the lies exist only in the Protestant tradition going back to Wycliffe in the 13th century and of course including Luther.
For 1,200 years, the Catholic Church carefully copied the bible. The early Christians are Catholic and set all the traditions we Catholics follow today. We Catholics don't believe in lies, we believe in the bible, UNALTERED, handed down to us through the generations. If you know your history you will recall that the lies exist only in the Protestant tradition going back to Wycliffe in the 13th century and of course including Luther.
@devine1953. read very carefully what the catechism of the RCC says as compared to the bible and you will find that alot of catholic traditions and doctrines are not in the bible. put all your faith and trust in Jesus' real blood sacrifice and not in the sacrifice of the mass. take your prayers to Jesus not to Mary.
Does anyone have a source for this letter, that doesn't lead me back to here, or lead me to a catholic website that then leads me back to here or a reference to here? I've googled all day and can't find an original or even a mention of one. And what's up with all of you fighting each other? Grow up.
@punchdrunkatheist Just to expound on this, I've read all of what original texts I can find from St. Justin Martyr, and this is not included in any of them. In fact, I've even read other people writing about Martyr during his time explaining how Justin Martyr even knew utterances of the Egyptian god Ammon, etc. But I won't go on about the similarities in catholic rites and those described by the pyramid texts, or to how they managed to end up worshiping on the day of the sun. Just want source
@punchdrunkatheist it is in Saint Justin Martyr's "Apology" chapters 66- 67 I believe. and he mentioned this as well: Also, in Chapter 66 of Justin Martyr's First Apology, he describes transformation of the Eucharist: "For not as common bread nor common drink do we receive these; but since Jesus Christ our Saviour was made incarnate by the word of God and had both flesh and blood for our salvation, so too, as we have been taught, the food which has been made into the
@punchdrunkatheist .....Eucharist by the Eucharistic prayer set down by him, and by the change of which our blood and flesh is nurtured, is both the flesh and the blood of that incarnated Jesus" First Apology 66:1-20
I can assure you by the Word of God and by the Spirit of God that lives in all those who are adopted as sons by God that the Catholic Church is a Den of Devils. They perverse the scriptures with their vile and corrupted minds because they are unregenerated and still in their sins. They believe in Lies because they are of their father who is the Father of Lies and they hate the Truth. The Blind leading the blind unto their own eternal destruction and will not repent because of Pride
@JesusNonEnviromental Jesus said to Saint Peter: "I will give the keys of Heaven" and "Upon this Rock(=Kephas=Peter) I WILL BUILD MY CHURCH". One church, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic, not 40 000 protestant sects. And the doors of Hell will not prevail against It". Extra Ecclesia Nulla Salus. Those who know history, cease to be protestants.
@ixtoc999 You look away as this hedonistic occult blasphemes your Lord and Savior. Because of pride and your own love for sin you tolerate their sins of homosexuality and pedophilia and murder and secret assemblies and occultic teachings and satanic rituals. They've turned the Lords supper into a Zombie and Vampire orgy of eating flesh and drinking blood, when Jesus clearly stated that the words he spoke were spiritual and not literal. The Blind leading the Blind, God is not mocked
@JesusNonEnviromental well.... you've turned praising the Lord into a horde of psychedelic drugs affected people dancing together, which I am sure the Apostles didn't do that hiding in catacombs from the romans.
@6MemoryOfForever9 Sir, I don't expect to give the blind their sight or deaf their hearing because that is the Power of God through Grace. I do have the ability to judge spiritual things because I've been born again by the Spirit of God I am as confident of my salvation as I am of their damnation if they do not repent of their satanic worship. This is a religion whose history is well recorded and documented as the enemy of Godly men and women who will not bow at their altar of blasphemy
@JesusNonEnviromental "religion whose history is well recorded and documented as the enemy of Godly men and women.. lol! I don't know if you missed that part in Catholicism 101 course..but this is the religion of SAINTS!! tell me about one protestant who was greater in the knowledge of God than Padre Pio, or Saint Theresa of Lisieux, or Saint Theresa of Avila, or Edith Stein, or Saint Francis...oh yeah I forgot, all of those are evil satan worshipers, but I am sure Martin Luther was a nice guy.
@6MemoryOfForever9 Its also well understood that foolish men laugh before they speak. Your laughter only demeans your following statements because you present them with a light heartedness that discredits every word you say. I don't have to respond to foolishness. Any man or woman who believes in the doctrines of devils does not know God. These men have erred in their faith and understanding of the one mediator between God and man, The Lord Jesus Christ
@6MemoryOfForever9 I also know from scripture that God does not allow His children to remain in darkness concerning His Will. I abhor these cults like Catholicism because God gives me this abhorance just as he gives me the hatred of my sin. Read the Word of God and if God will shed His grace on you and open your eyes you too will become enlightened to your error of understanding and religious pride.
@JesusNonEnviromental Dude, Martin Luther WAS A CATHOLIC PRIEST.... Get over your stupid high horse. The founder of your religion is a CATHOLIC who decided to make his own laws after the laws of his church, the TRUE CHURCH, the CATHOLIC CHURCH, weren't agreeable to his taste!! It is as if I came over to the U.S., said the Constitution sucks, and decided to make a new one! Protestants are so pathetic, I don't even argue with them anymore, I LAUGH at them and occasionally pity them! How evil of me
@bornagainsaint1 Oh woooooow, how true!!.... And God is an idolater too... you know, when he told the Jews to make two statues of Angels on the Ark of the Covenant!! Oooooooooooh what an idolater God!!! Wanna call HIM names too? Or do you show off only anonymously on the internet??
@6MemoryOfForever9. the Almighty is not an idolater, He is our Perfect Intercessor. His blood sacrifice saves to the utmost, we can call on Jesus anytime anywhere. the angels on the Ark of the Covenant are not to be worshipped, but catholics do look upon images hoping that they will speak, move or cry tears. they want a sign. the only sign is His blood sacrifice.
@bornagainsaint1 In addition Catholics worship GOD alone, in trinity. We do not believe that statues can heard us, niether that they can walk, nor talk. We beleive the living Sts, the very body of christ, can hear us walk and talk, whom the statue represents. Iconoclasm is heresy and was deemed so by the united church in the 7th ecunemtical council a very very long time ago.
@bornagainsaint1 mmmhmmm??? And apparently you asked all Catholics what they want of statues!! Statues and Icons remind us of the person, like a photograph. We neither worship them nor expect anything from them. If a sign happens, it happens, maybe you should send your opinion to God about it! Quit being so obsessed about Catholics. Get OVER us! And learn some Catholic theology and history before you whine about it!
@6MemoryOfForever9. get out of catholic theology and start reading what Jesus said and did. most of catholicism rejects the mission of Jesus' blood sacrifice, namely purgatory and the unbloody sacrifice that the priest offers during services in a catholic church. i was raised catholic & i left that church bcuz of its strange traditions which are not in the bible. when signs & wonders occur from statues, pictures or apparitions, they are from satan, turn to His blood sacrifice.
@bornagainsaint1 Le Dude, how do I tell you this respectfully? I am seriously messing with you. I'm bored and having fun. Stop being so serious and weird on the internet. Plus, the Catholic Church was a pro at this when Protestantism was a one-legged baby stumbling around. Still is anyway! :D
@JesusNonEnviromental ".. when Jesus clearly stated that the words he spoke were spiritual and not literal."
If I may ask? Where does he say this?
Just some key points: John 6:52-53 " The Jew quarreled among themselves saying, 'How can this man give us his flesh to eat?'" (Sound familiar?)"Jesus said to them "Aman, amen, I say to you unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you."
Matthew 26:26 "While they were eating, Jesus took bread, said the blessing, broke it and giving it to his disciples said, 'Take and eat; this is my body...."
No where does he say 'This is only symbolic.' Sounds like a command to follow.
Also,
Luke 22:19 "Then he took bread, said the blessing, broke it , and gave it to them saying 'This is my body, which will be given up for you; DO THIS in memory of me.' Clearly another comman. Just wanted to share this with you.
@anrmenchaca74 I can tell you in love that you have swallowed a camel and choked on a gnat. You are like those screaming to free Barabbas because you defend what you don't know. Your church government and its workings are hidden from you just as they hid the Word of God and spoke in latin to the laiety for centuries. They work in secret and put on a show of religiousity that pleases the eyes but converts not one sinner. You mix truth with error and then change the error to truth.
@anrmenchaca74 John 6:63 Understand that the drinking of blood or eating anything with blood was forbidden in Mosaic Law. Its also clearly understood that what goes into the mouth comes out as dung to be burned or discarded and God would never ever in all eternity choose food or drink to cleanse or strengthen the Spirit. The understanding that you must eat my flesh is the same understanding in Revelations 10:10 where John actually ate the Scroll.
@anrmenchaca74 You have to understand that when Jesus said these words they were celebrating the Passover feast which is the Lamb that had to be eaten before the dawn. He made reference or paralleled these sayings to Himself because He is the Lamb of God. Eating that passover lamb was merely a picture and Jesus was saying you must Partake of me rather than this Lamb. How do we partake of Jesus's death by Faith, not by literally Eating Him
@anrmenchaca74 One more note for your understanding. Read John 6:34-35 Here we see how we spiritually fill our hunger "We come to Jesus" Here we see how we spiritually quench our thirst, "We believe on Jesus" These words are instructions for righteousness, As many that come He will not cast out and to as many that believe he will save to the uttermost. We don't literally eat and drink Jesus, we come and believe by faith. I hope by the power of God this opens your eyes
@anrmenchaca74 One more note for your understanding. Read John 6:34-35 Here we see how we spiritually fill our hunger "We come to Jesus" Here we see how we spiritually quench our thirst, "We believe on Jesus" These words are instructions for righteousness, As many that come He will not cast out and to as many that believe he will save to the uttermost. We don't literally eat and drink Jesus, we come and believe by faith. I hope by the power of God this opens your eyes
@ixtoc999. Jesus is the Rock, the church is built on Jesus. Peter preached that Jesus is the very cornerstone of our faith, when we reject that cornerstone our faith is dead and we are headed to hell. Peter never raised himself up as being the cornerstone of our faith. the Rock Jesus referred to was Peter's confession "you are the Christ, the Son of the living God". this is what our faith is built on - Jesus, the perfect blood sacrifice sent from our heavenly Father.
Worshiping the Eucharist is worshiping God; it is not idolotry but adoration of the Lord. The hosts & wine, when consecrated as prescribed by Jesus on Holy Thursday, becomes the Body & Blood of Christ. He said of the bread: This IS My Body, and It became His Body. Then He said of the wine: This IS my Blood". Then Jesus said: "Do this in memory of Me,. God cannot lie. Hosts Consecrated by the successors of the apostles, Roman Catholic priest's, do the same at every Mass. We are blessed!
@grandmajoyce2. Jesus did not mean it literally - transubstantiation - if we are to believe that His supper becomes Him then this surely is idolatry, and it would make His blood sacrifice of no effect for the sins of the world. the priests do not have the power nor the authority to offer Jesus as any kind of sacrifice to His Father. Jesus offered Himself out of obedience to His Father. Jesus said to eat His supper in remembrance of His real blood sacrifice. RCC is materialistic
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Jesus said,"Unless you eat the flesh of the son of man and drink his blood you have no life within you"."I am the living bread that comes down from heaven whoever eat this bread will live forever and the bread which I shall give for the life of the world is my flesh". "He who eats my flesh and drink my blood has eternal life and I will raise him up on the last day". Jesus also said,"Behold your mother". Proud to be Catholic. Hail Mary.
@cramirez11 The words Jesus spoke were spiritual, but those who are not spiritual who are not born of the Spirit of God will not understand this. They will believe that salvation comes by eating and drinking rather than by faith and grace. They will believe a lie because the truth is hidden from them. The children of God know that Jesus spoke these words because he was equating himself to the Passover Lamb. Men who have no faith will always lean towards works and earthly things.
@JesusNonEnviromental " Men who have no faith will always lean towards works and earthly things."
Very true, the key here is "...Men who have no Faith..."
James 2:17 reminds us that "faith of itself, if it does not have work, is dead." In verse 24 James says, "See how a person is justified by works and not by faith alone." And later: "For just as a body without a spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead" (2:26).
@anrmenchaca74 Faith without works is dead, This is not speaking of Salvation because we know that its only by the shedding of Blood that sins are forgiven. James is speaking about walking in Faith and building up your Faith, but he is not speaking concerning the Gospel or Salvation. We are partakers of Gods grace through Faith which is given by God to as many that believe. The instruction is to now walk in Faith and not by sight, this faith does not save us, it allows us to partake
@anrmenchaca74 Faith without works is Dead, This is not talking about eternal death, but the state of ones faith. To equate this verse to the message of the Gospel is how the Catholic church invents sacraments. Sacraments are works for Grace which is unscriptural and damns the one who puts their faith in himself. A battery that is dead is still a battery but it is good for nothing and does not fullfill its purpose, this is the teaching here. We are saved for good works not by good works
@cramirez11 You believe this to your own damnation, I will not believe this because I know God because He first knew me and chose me before my birth. It is impossible to deceive and Elect of God and because the elect will not accept a Lie they shall be persecuted and will die for their faith. Only those who oppose this lie like William Tyndale will suffer in this world, but those who believe this lie will suffer for eternity
@bornagainsaint1 St. Ignatius of Antioch, Epistle to the Romans, 7, 110 A.D.: I desire the Bread of God, the heavenly Bread, the Bread of Life, which is the flesh of Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who became afterwards of the seed of David and Abraham; I wish the drink of God, namely His blood, which is incorruptible love and eternal life.
Jesus Christ said," He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me and I in him". "For my flesh is true food and my blood true drink" The Eucharist.
@cramirez11. Jesus did not mean it literally - transubstantiation - if He did then it is cannabolism from the heart. Jesus was making a very strong statement that His blood sacrifice is to be taken seriously. Jesus said to John only "behold your mother", to take care of Mary as if she was his biological mother, not ours. His blood sacrifice saves, not His supper, His supper is a picture of His crucifixon, death & resurrection. praying TO Mary is idolatry.
@bornagainsaint1 JESUS CHRIST said, " UNLESS YOU EAT THE FLESH OF THE SON OF MAN AND DRINK HIS BLOOD YOU HAVE NO LIFE WITHIN YOU " " HE WHO EATS MY FLESH AND DRINKS MY BLOOD HAS ETERNAL LIFE AND I WILL RAISE HIM UP ON THE LAST DAY " " I AM THE LIVING BREAD THAT COMES DOWN FROM HEAVEN WHOEVER EATS THIS BREAD WILL LIVE FOREVER AND THE BREAD WHICH I SHALL GIVE FOR THE LIFE OF THE WORLD IS MY FLESH" The mother of Jesus said,"Do whatever he tells you" Hail Mary.
@cramirez11. His blood sacrifice saves, His supper does not. faith in His blood sacrifice literally saves us. Jesus said to remember Him when we eat His supper. the very act of His suffering, crucifixion, judgement upon Him, His death and resurrection saves to the utmost. what He endured is the punishment we deserve, but He saved us from the horrible punishment and judgement that we deserve if we do not put our trust and faith in His blood sacrifice.
@bornagainsaint1 Eat his flesh,drink his blood This saying is hard, and who can hear it? But there are some of you that believe not.Jesus knew from the beginning,who believe not and who would betray him. Jesus said, Will you also go away? Simon Peter said, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.And we have believed and have known, that thou art the Christ, the Son of God.Jesus said,Have not I chosen you twelve; and one of you is a devil? It's your choice.
This is absolute Blasphemy! Your evil Eucarist is not scriptural and is acually satanic! All Catholics need to REPENT unto the Lord and leave the deception of Catholocism and seek the Lord through his true Word in the Holy Bible. He has warned you in Revelation 17-18 of your future in worship under the evil Satanic worship of Catholocism. Your worship of Mary is just a rebirth of the worship of Asteris/Samiramis the moon goddess wife of Baal/Nimrod.
@RaptureOrTribulation If you read your Bible (which by the way was put together by the Catholic church in the 3rd century), you will find that the Eucharist is indeed scriptural. e.g. Mathew Ch.26v.26 Mark Ch. 14 v.22,
Luke Ch.22 v.14 John Ch.6 v34 and 48-59. I am Catholic and I know my Bible. I'll pray for you. You don't know the joy you are missing. Please do your own investigation into the truth.
@EvelynMilne I just prayed for you. You need to investigate this more rather than litening to the catholic hiarchy that is lieing to you. Pray to Yeshuah for the truth. Just get on your knees and pray to him to reveal the truth to you! He will if you sincerely want the truth.
@RaptureOrTribulation If you read your Bible (which by the way was put together by the Catholic church in the 3rd century), you will find that the Eucharist is indeed scriptural. e.g. Mathew Ch.26v.26 Mark Ch. 14 v.22,
Luke Ch.22 v.14 John Ch.6 v34 and 48-59. I am Catholic and I know my Bible. I'll pray for you. You don't know the joy you are missing. Please do your own investigation into the truth. You will not regret it.
@baseballer0413 You may want to get your facts straight. Every catholic that I have seen and know of when they see a statue(idol) of Mary, they stop and bow and pray to it. There is definately worship going on there. The 2nd commandment of GOD is thous shalt not make any graven images or idols. You catholics feel you can write your own commandments and then say you had the right to do it. Your pegan religion is the "mystery religion" of today. .
@RaptureOrTribulation --all prayer ends in God, not a statue, so who cares if I use a statue in my prayer life? Only God knows my heart, and he knows im speaking ultimately to him, not a statue.
@WayOfTheMaster454 When Jesus declares that you Love GOd with all your heart, soul and might and then you turn around and worship and pray to a staute to which is the abomination spoken of in the 2nd commandment to not make any graven images or idols, you are not loving GOD with all your heart, soul and might. Can you and all the others get that through your heads??
@RaptureOrTribulation --Commandment 2 is against idolotry, not statues; moses made a bronze snake in the desert, and the Temple had images of certain animals in it. Idolotry is only when you BELIEVE a statue IS divine.
@WayOfTheMaster454 You are right but not thorough enough in your explanation. Idolotry is when you put something above God! It can be a statue, a sports car, a diamond ring, a sport that you play, a member of your family. Anything that is more important than GOD is idolotry. To even go further, Jesus Christ is God. If you were to have a statue or painting of Jesus Christ that you value more than anything in this world to where you would sin against God to keep it, that is idolotry.
@RaptureOrTribulation The Catholic church puts nothing above GOD, and worship is for GOD alone. I would suggest you do a little research on the 7th ecumentical council tounderstand why we have images in out church. The second commadment is "You shall have no other gods besides me"...though I know your church has changed the commadment to fit there anti catholic stand
@gtepp031387 I am so sorry that your eyes and mind are blinded by your sins against the Lord. I will pray for your eyes to be opened to the truth. I will not argue with you for you are like the others blinded supernaturally. Catholocism is the continuation of the Mystery religion(Pagan sun god worship) which is Satanism. The poops have declared themselves vicor of Christ which is heresy. You worship idols of mother mary whom really is moon goddess Simiramus.
@RaptureOrTribulation Intersting.... source of this information..or is this simply propaganda?...And the Pope being the Vicor(I wonder if you know what this word means) of Christ is not a herisy, it is something that has always been believed, as he is the sucessore of Peter.
@bornagainsaint1 One of the commadments, sry bud the commandment reads that you are not to have any GOD besides me, you are not to worship other GODs nor make images of them. You are an image of something on earth so please kill yourself if you feal this way. The computer you are using is an image as well, GOD ordered the making of the holy images in his own temple, Jesus bowed in that temple.
@RaptureOrTribulation --Commandment 2 prohibits idolotry ie statues with intent to worship it; the old testament has instructions for some animal and angel statues to be made to adorn the temple and ark of the covenent. But I suppose it said specifically "no graven images" because the jews were somewhat prone to idolotry in the 1st place.
@baseballer0413 The model of prayer given to us by our Lord Jesus is clearly taught. We are to Pray to the Father through the Son. We pray to the Throne of the Father and Jesus who is seated at the Right-hand of the Father and Mary is not on the throne. Catholics give a picture of mary being the Queen and seated on the Throne. This is blasphemy and Idolatry and is not found in scripture. Catholics always worship the vehicle, like the wafer, the wine, the mother, the saints,the pope
@baseballer0413 Those who pray to Mary will not see the kingdom of God because they seek strange gods they have fabricated to usurp the Authority and Deity of God. Catholics will tell you to pray to saints, but the bible calls all men saints so this is another false teaching. Catholics pray to statues carved out of wood to resemble mary and Jesus. Catholics light candles so their prayers can be heard another heresy, Catholics and the Pope pray with buddhists and hindus etc which is heresy
@baseballer0413. Praying to Mary in her name(Hail Mary) is idolatry. Please get all the facts straight from the bible before you pray to someone else other than in Jesus' name. the Lord will condemn anyone who prays in someone else's name other than in is His name. Yes catholics worship Mary, I was catholic but no more. I pray to the heavenly Father in Jesus' name and He heard all my prayers. i dont pray the rosary, will something bad happen to me?
@bornagainsaint1 If you were a Catholic you would know the Hail Mary comes straight out of scriptures, it is the words the angel Gabriel spoke to her. This angel of the Lord revealed to us who Mary really was. She is the Mother of the King and if you are familiar with the Lords teachings in the Old Testament, which all in the early church were, you would know she is their for our Queen and worthy of honour.
@converter7. Jesus is my intercessor, I take all my cares to Him and Him only. He hears me, I don't need Mary nor anyone else who has passed on to take my prayers to Jesus. The bible says not to get involved with those who have passed on. Stop shoving your hateful doctrines and traditions down my throat, and stop insulting Jesus. The living bornagain saints who pray for each other have complete confidence that Jesus hears our prayers and answers them, and not those who have passed on.
@bornagainsaint1 I am sorry i you have misunderstood me. I'm not sure how our doctrines are 'hateful'? If you feel you can go straight to Jesus with all your problems, that is great. But not all of us have that. We rely on our Christian friends and the saints to pray with us as we pray or each other as one body in Christ. The Church (by which I mean all Christian people not an institution) is the body of Christ, that is, all Christians; past, present and future. Also, we don't believe any saint
is dead. Whether that is the Christians of the past or our brothers and sisters who walk amongst us today. All saints/Christians are alive in Jesus and therefore we are not dealing with the dead but the Church Triumphant, those Christian brothers and sisters of ours who have achieved eternal life through Christ Jesus. All Christians make up the Church/Body of Christ, whether that be Catholic, Protestant, Orthodox or other. As long as they have accepted Jesus Christ as their saviour and have
@converter7. be careful when you say "or other". there is only one way to Jesus, and that is through the Holy Spirit, who comforts us and brings us close to Jesus, all of this happens bcuz of what He accomplished on the cross. He is our perfect intercessor.
been baptised in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. We all worship him in different ways but that shouldn't divide us. We must pray for the healing of his Church, that we become One again in Him. Ecumenical relations must become the ultimate goal of our age. Uniting His children as true Christians who honour and respect each others differences and traditions. God bless you my friend and continue to spread the Good News of our Saviour.
@converter7 the second part of the Hail Mary is not from the bible, therefore it is idolatry. the angel Gabriel did not bow down to her, nor did he worship her, he just gave her a message. but the second part of the Hail Mary did not come from Gabriel, it came from the RCC. idolatry. Deut chp 18 says not to call on spirits of the dead. why call on Mary when you can call on Jesus knowing He will pray for you and will always be there to save and guide you.
@bornagainsaint1 Deut 18 is not dealing with the living body of Christ, but with those in prison. We do not communicate with those in prison though we do pray from them like in maccabees. You can not seperate Christ from his body, the Sts are one with and in him just as Christ is one with and in the father, they are with him where he is and sharing in hios glory(John 17:20-26)
@gtepp031387. are you saying that Jesus is incompetent to hear our prayers? is that why the RCC says we are not good enough to go to Jesus for forgiveness? can believers go to Jesus anytime anywhere?
@bornagainsaint1 What I am saying is that you are seperating Christ from his body, and that is not ok. Does GOD need the angles to report to him about what happenes to little children?...no but does he use them and give them tasks?... Yes he does....your point is rather silly. Can believers not go the body of Christ for support anytime?..Why are you trying to seperate Christ from his body?..Can the eye say to the hand I do not need you?
@gtepp031387 when bornagain believers, who are still living, prays for the living they know that Jesus hears their prayers. those who have passed on, this includes Mary, do not take our prayers to Him. John 5:25-29, Jesus tells us that those who have passed on hear His voice, not ours. i am not separating believers from Christ, Jesus hears them. whether we go to Him privately in our "closets" or go to Him in groups He hears us and He said that He will never turn us away.
@bornagainsaint1 1) Intresting so your claiming that the living body of Christ is not with Jesus when you pray to him?...This sounds like seperation to me.
2) Why would the holy scripture invoke you to ask the angles and Sts in heaven to "bless the LORD" and "praise the LORD" Psalms 103 & 148 if they could not hear you?
3) Not only that but we see the intercession of those in heaven offering our prayers to GOD in Rev 5:8 and Rev 8:3-4...U have been proven wrong in all accounts
Respond to this video... Also, as we are in Christ, she is our Mother too and we must honour our Father AND our Mother. She was deemed worthy by our Lord and is therefore worthy to us. As for praying in her name, we aren't. We are calling upon her to intercede for us just as we call upon our Christian friends to intercede for us. If you believe they are saints,
Respond to this video... then surely you must believe they are as alive if not more alive then your Christian friends and they are with our Lord so they are in a far better position to intercede for us then our friends on Earth, yet no Protestant has a problem asking their Christian friends to intercede for them. Of all the saints, surely the one our Lord called blessed is the closest to God and therefore the best person to intercede for us.
God bless you! I pray for the healing of the Church, that all Christians;atholic, Protestant, Orthodox and others all come together again in communion with the Lord as we boldly proclaim, "We believe in ONE, HOLY, CATHOLIC and APOSTOLIC Church" Our Lady of Perpetual Help, Pray for us!
@bornagainsaint1 You are a very misinformed Catholic and were probably raised by misinformed Catholics. There are many life you and even I earlier in my life before I really learned my faith was confused and misinformed on many things. It is sad that as Catholics so many of us do not know or understand our faith. I think that is the Church's fault in some ways but also if a cradle Catholic, sometimes our parents. Catholics do not worship Mary. We honor Mary.
@suzwaddell. i wasn't misinformed, i was taught the same catholic doctrines and traditions as you are. i left that church bcuz i want Jesus, not catholicism. catholics really need to question the church's doctrines and traditions and then compare them to the bible, you will not find them in there anywhere. i could care less about the apparitions of Mary, i am looking forward to the glorious coming of Jesus when He returns to take us home with Him.
@bornagainsaint1 Jesus is our only intercessor. There is no idolatry towards Mary either. Having a picture or statue of her is no different than having a family members photograph in your home. If you want to attack idolatry....try attacking things like idolizing football players, celebrities, American Idol.....there are your examples of idolatry. I hope you come back to the Church some day. Seek more answers about your faith....I did and I came home...God Bless
@suzwaddell. well there is a problem with this kind of logic. catholics, or any unbeliever will look upon these objects hoping and waiting that they will either speak, move, or cry tears. this is folly, go to Jesus and learn of His gentle yoke. His blood sacrifice saves to the utmost. praying TO Mary is idolatry.
@RaptureOrTribulation Amen brother, God lead me out of the Catholic darkness of idolatry. I have seen with my own eyes the satanic ritual of the Mass. Only the priest would partake of the wine and would mutter words that would turn the wine to blood. The Lords image was displayed above the altar on the cross which causes the people to pray to it and worship the image instead of the Person. They would pay money to light candles at the side altar so the prayers would be heard
@JesusNonEnviromental "..The Lords image was displayed above the altar on the cross which causes the people to pray to it and worship the image instead of the Person..."
St. Paul preached Christ Crucified in 1 Cor. 1:23 "..but we proclaim Christ crucified,a stumbling block to the Jew and foolishness to Gentiles.."
and 1 Cor. 2:2. "..For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus and him crucified.."
Christ on the cross is the Power of God. Just wanted to share that
@JesusNonEnviromental "..The Lords image was displayed above the altar on the cross which causes the people to pray to it and worship the image instead of the Person..."
St. Paul preached Christ Crucified in 1 Cor. 1:23 "..but we proclaim Christ crucified,a stumbling block to the Jew and foolishness to Gentiles.."
and 1 Cor. 2:2. "..For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus and him crucified.."
Christ on the cross is the Power of God. Just wanted to share that
@claudius860..what person is not immune to pride? You yourself is not being humble to accept the truth even though you already know the consistent practice of the church from the beginning up to now. If I say only the catholic church is the one holding and guarding to the Tradition then & now, do you say i am proud or would you rather accept the fact of the statement? But no matter what you say, there is no other church who can claim such, not even orthodoxy who are now protestantized in their
Fatimamovement... gotta love conspiracy theories... read God's Final Effort by John Haffert, a Fatima expert (and Blue Army leader), for an actual balanced perspective instead of spending all your time destroying the church unity from within.
Jesus Christ is God, Jesus is the son of the Lord (a talking fire created by Freemasonry). This knowledge is the difference between Heaven and Hell. It has taken 1900 years for the Jesuits to conquer the Vatican, this process known as the Apocalypse. So the next anti-pope is the last and the punishment from Heaven is Imminent.
Read the recently released Third Secret of Fatima here:
FATIMAMOVEMENT d o t c o m
The boiling point is here. Everyone has an obligation to Christ to know this.
the fruit of the vine argument proves nothing. in the bible things are called by their appearance . For example in Genesis 18:1-6 angels who took the appearance of men where called men.Howevert it did note deny that they were angels.Aarons rod is cast down and becomes a serpent and swallows up Aarons serpens.The serpnts are still called rods. Exodus 7:9-12. Threfore the fruit of the vineis called that because that is what it looks like. But it is still the body of Christ.
Jesus said,"Unless you eat the flesh of the son of man and drink his blood you have no life within you"."I am the living bread that comes down from heaven whoever eats this bread will live forever and the bread which I shall give for the life of the world is my flesh"."He who eats my body and drink my blood has eternal life and I will raise him up on the last day". "I am with you always even until the end of the world". These are the words of our Lord Jesus Christ.The bread of life.The Eucharist
Does anyone have a link to a place i can find the original letters of justin martyr? i might add that he mentions many similarities with paganism. such as in his de prescriptionae hereticorum. i had a place where all this was but lost it. if anyone knows where i can view the original documents please let me know
The hardest part about arguing with Protestants is digging through their hubrus and pride. They erroneously believe that they have the authority to interpret Holy Scripture without any error whatsoever.
This is sheer folly, and the entire history of Protestantism reflects this. Today, there are over 33,000 Protestant sects, all espousing their own versions of the truth.
Sheer heresy.
There is only One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church: founded by Christ himself on St. Peter.
@drdst17 i think what hubris is is putting so much faith in a human institution and bureacracy. people following the leader with their minds. they are like sheep following a herd mentality. thinking a church has everything figured out or in the infallibility of humans is arrogance. i am a comparative religions major. i seek to discover truth by documents, research. this is not hubris. this is called critical thinking. i am not religious. i have the goal of being comparative religions professor
God is offended by receiving Him on "dirty" hands(ONLY priest can touch Him) in the Holy Eucharist!
Only accepted by Heaven form of receiving living Heart of Jesus Christ in the Eucharist of the Catholic Church is into our mouth and on our both knees!
@JezusSlave. are you out of your mind? the apostles ate the same bread with their hands that Jesus passed around the table, and they were sinners also. priests are not the only ones who can touch the bread and the cup of wine. by the way Jesus did away with the priesthood, the priesthood that offers sacrifices, Jesus offered the most perfect ultimate and final blood sacrifice - Himself, He finished, closed out and ended the OT human sacrificial priesthood , bloody & unbloody.
@bornagainsaint1 you are typical heretic my friend from one of man-made churches started 300 years ago or later. There can be only one truth and one true Church and there has not been other Church than Catholic since Jesus Christ.
We discover secrets of the Holy Word for centuries and there was no Church when Jesus was on earth and no Mass.
You are an heretic as you deny the Catholic Bible and living God in the Eucharist-John 6:66
Read about Eucharistic Miracles or just watch it in Naju, etc.
@JezusSlave. i do not deny His blood sacrifice. i don't need to literally eat His flesh(body) and drink His blood to get Him into my life and to ask Him to forgive me. if it really turned into His body and blood then we are committing sexual perversion along with cannabolism from the heart. Jesus was making a very strong statement in John chp 6 by telling us that we must believe in His blood sacrifice and to take it seriously.
@bornagainsaint1 "They(gnostics) abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they confess not the Eucharist to be the flesh of our Saviour Jesus Christ, which suffered for our sins, and which the Father, of His goodness, raised up again. Those, therefore, who speak against this gift of God, incur death in the midst of their disputes." ~ St Ignatius of Antioch around 100 A.D.
@bornagainsaint1 The Eucharist(meaing to give thanks) is how you recieve the sacrifice, whoever does not eat my flesh and drink my blood does not have life within him. Your personal interpritation goes against the historical tradition of the body of christ, you have no connection to the body of christ for the first 1500 years for the church.
@bornagainsaint1 guess Jesus just needed one of those good old southern baptism ministers there with him when he said to his diciples that they must eat his flesh and drink his blood, that way before they all left him the baptism minister could have stood up and told them "he doesn't mean it, not really, he's just speaking symbolically"...mabey then they would nto have left eh???....
@bornagainsaint1 John 6:35,41,48,51 - Jesus says four times "I AM the bread from heaven." It is He, Himself, the eternal bread from heaven.
John 6:27,31,49 - there is a parallel between the manna in the desert which was physically consumed, and this "new" bread which must be consumed.
John 6:51-52- then Jesus says that the bread He is referring to is His flesh.The Jews take Him literally and immediately question such a teaching. How can this man give us His flesh to eat?
@bornagainsaint1 John 6:53 - 58 - Jesus does not correct their literal interpretation. Instead, Jesus eliminates any metaphorical interpretations by swearing an oath and being even more literal about eating His flesh. In fact, Jesus says four times we must eat His flesh and drink His blood. Catholics thus believe that Jesus makes present His body and blood in the sacrifice of the Mass. Protestants can only argue that Jesus was somehow speaking symbolically.
@bornagainsaint1 John 6:23-53 - however, a symbolic interpretation is not plausible. Throughout these verses, the Greek text uses the word "phago" nine times. "Phago" literally means "to eat" or "physically consume." Like the Protestants of our day, the disciples take issue with Jesus' literal usage of "eat." So Jesus does what?
@gtepp031387. throughout history people have witnessed the bread and wine actually turning into real human flesh and blood. when this happened did they still eat the transformed objects? if this was to happen on catholics altars would you along with the others still eat these objects?
@gtepp031387. if the bread and wine were to actually turn into His real flesh and blood would you still eat it? if not then why does the RCC insists and demand that we believe it is His real body and blood, the same body and blood He had when He was on earth, this includes His private parts. the RCC has grossly misunderstood His supper.
@bornagainsaint1 "if the bread and wine were to actually turn into His real flesh and blood would you still eat it?"
Every time I eat the eucharist it is his real flesh and real blood, and it is food indeed. You have grossly misunderstood not only the last supper but the communion of the body of christ throughout all ages.
@bornagainsaint1 I speak not for myself, but for the faith throughout all ages. I speak in the knowledge of the Sts before me, as my word alone means nothing. I speak in the knowledge of the holy bible, whom the Sts before me put together and cannonized, by the inspiration of the holy spirit. I do not speak of my personal interpritation of the bible based on my 21st century presuppositions as my proof, but on the soild foundation of the holy faith throughout all ages.
@bornagainsaint1 "The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not a participation in the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? Because there is one bread, we who are many are one body, for we all partake of the one bread.....Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of profaning the body and blood of the Lord."
@bornagainsaint1 "Let no one eat and drink of your Eucharist but those baptized in the name of the Lord; to this,too the saying of the Lord is applicable:'Do not give to dogs what is sacred...On the Lord's own day, assemble in common to break bread and offer thanks; but first confess your sins,so that your sacrifice may be pure...your sacrifice must not be defiled.For here we have the saying of the Lord:'In every place and time offer me a pure sacrifice"~The Didache 1st century
@bornagainsaint1 "He commanded us to celebrate sacrifices and services, and that it should not be thoughtlessly or disorderly,but at fixed times and hours.He has Himself fixed by His supreme will the places and persons whom He desires for these celebrations...Our sin will not be small if we eject from the episcopate those who blamelessly and holily have offered its Sacrifices." ~ St Clement of Rome around 70 A.D.
@bornagainsaint1 "Consider how contrary to the mind of God are the heterodox in regard to the grace of God which has come to us. They have no regard for charity, none for the widow, the orphan, the oppressed... They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they do not admit that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, the flesh which suffered for our sins and which the Father, in His graciousness, raised from the dead." ~ St Ignatius around 100 A.D.
@bornagainsaint1 "Come together in common, one and all without exception in charity, in one faith and in one Jesus Christ, who is of the race of David according to the flesh, the son of man, and the Son of God, so that with undivided mind you may obey the bishop and the priests, and break one Bread which is the medicine of immortality and the antidote against death, enabling us to live forever in Jesus Christ." ~ St Ignatius
@bornagainsaint1 "I have no taste for the food that perishes nor for the pleasures of this life. I want the Bread of God which is the Flesh of Christ, who was the seed of David; and for drink I desire His Blood which is love that cannot be destroyed." ~ St Ignatius
@bornagainsaint1 "Do not err, my brethren: if anyone follow a schismatic, he will not inherit the Kingdom of God. If any man walk about with strange doctrine, he cannot lie down with the passion. Take care, then, to use one Eucharist, so that whatever you do, you do according to God: for there is one Flesh of our Lord Jesus Christ, and one cup in the union of His Blood; one altar, as there is one bishop with the presbytery and my fellow servants, the deacons." ~ St Ignatius
@bornagainsaint1 "For we do not receive these things(the body and blood of the eucharist) as common bread or common drink; but as Jesus Christ our Savior being incarnate by God's Word took flesh and blood for our salvation, so also we have been taught that the food consecrated by the Word of prayer which comes from him, from which our flesh and blood are nourished by transformation, is the flesh and blood of that incarnate Jesus." ~ St Justin Martyr 150 A.D.
@bornagainsaint1 " the mixed cup and the manufactured bread receive the Word of God and become the Eucharist, that is to say, the Blood and Body of Christ, which fortify and build up the substance of our flesh...[Christ] has declared the cup, a part of creation, to be his own Blood, from which he causes our blood to flow; and the bread, a part of creation, he has established as his own Body, from which he gives increase to our bodies." ~ St Irenaeus 180 A.D.
@bornagainsaint1 What saves us from hell, is the grace of GOD. Grace is given through baptism of death, life, and ressurection, gained by the sacrifice of Christ, which gives faith and hope and LOVE, but not in such a way as to remove our free will. As we remain in the grace of GOD(which ability is given by the grace of GOD again not in such a way to remove our free will) we recieve "grace for grace", untill we reach "salvation through sanctification".
@bornagainsaint1John6:54, 56, 57, 58 - He uses an even more literal verb, translated as "trogo," which means to gnaw or chew or crunch. He increases the literalness and drives his message home. Jesus will literally give us His flesh and blood to eat. The word “trogo” is only used two other times in the New Testament (in Matt. 24:38 and John 13:18) and it always means to literally gnaw or chew meat.
@gtepp031387, it's not the point of giving us His literal body and blood to eat or gnaw on, but to give His body and blood as a perfect blood sacrifice for the sins of the world. this is what His supper pictures - His body and blood being given for the sins of the world.
@bornagainsaint1 "it's not the point of giving us His literal body and blood to eat or gnaw on" Actually it is, as it the holy word that orders these things to be dun. The eucharist is the most essential part of the mass, where we recieve the LORD body soul and divinity.
@bornagainsaint1 John 6:55 - to clarify further, Jesus says "For My Flesh is food indeed, and My Blood is drink indeed." This phrase can only be understood as being responsive to those who do not believe that Jesus' flesh is food indeed, and His blood is drink indeed.
@bornagainsaint1 John 6:55 - further, the phrases "real" food and "real" drink use the word "alethes." "Alethes" means "really" or "truly," and would only be used if there were doubts concerning the reality of Jesus' flesh and blood as being food and drink. Thus, Jesus is emphasizing the miracle of His body and blood being actual food and drink.
@bornagainsaint1 Jesus makes it completely clear that he was being litteral about the eucharist, why even his most beloeved diciples walked away and followed him no more becaues they refused to believe that they must litterally eat his flesh and drink his blood, if they just misunderstood Jesus would not have the LORD corrected them as he did whenever there was a misunderstanding?
@gtepp031387. if transubstantiation is as real and literal as Jesus says it is, then we are committing cannabolism from the heart, not to mention sexual perversion, bcuz the RCC wants us to believe that Jesus had told us to take John chp 6 literal. the Holy Spirit gives us the faith to believe in His blood sacrifice, the Holy Spirit brings us close to Jesus, there is no need to commit cannabolism from the heart just to get Him into our bodies and into our lives.
@bornagainsaint1 "he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh judgment to himself, not discerning the body of the Lord.Therefore are there many inform and weak among you, and many sleep." 1Cor 11:29-30
@bornagainsaint1 Tell me how does a symbolic thing bring judgement and sickness on one self?. "For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh judgment to himself, not discerning the body of the Lord.Therefore are there many inform and weak among you, and many sleep." 1Cor 11:29-30
I have no interest in the endless (circular) arguments between evangelicals and RC. You will never convince either side and minds are closed. What I find more interesting is the way history works under the Spirit. Back in 150 AD, every baptized worshipper went to communion, sort of like today. But afterward, for about1200 yrs.Catholics only communicated once or twice a year. Post-Reformation Catholics were told to go to the sacrament more frequently. But that is just 450yrs in an old church
brassspitoon 1 day ago
To the faithful commenting: I learned a long time ago not to waste my time on protestant heretics. Shake the dust from your feet. Pray for them and all who reject the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church.
1ndabag 6 days ago
He then speaks of those Gentiles, namely us [Christians] who in every place offer Sacrifices to Him, that is, the Bread of the Eucharist and also the Cup of the Eucharist. - St. Justin Martyr AD 150
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God speaks by the mouth of Malachi, one of the twelve [minor prophets], as I said before, about the sacrifices at that time presented by you: "I have no pleasure in you, says the Lord, and I will not accept your sacrifices at your hands; for from the rising of the sun to the going down of the same, my name has been glorified among the Gentiles, and in every place incense is offered to my name, and a pure offering, for my name is great among the Gentiles" [Mal. 1:10-11].
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Catholic Church = True Church Christ Founded, Has the totality of the truth
The Rest = False churches / Religions
Gearsofwarsoldiers 1 week ago
" Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day." JOHN 6:54
JezusSlave 2 weeks ago
bornagainsaint1 I don’t believe you were a Catholic, if you were you were obviously a confused Catholic as Catholics do not worship Mary. We do honour her of course just as God honoured her by choosing her as the mother of the Word; “And the Word was made Flesh and dwelt amongst us “
VIDOTRICHARDS 3 months ago 5
@VIDOTRICHARDS i've dealt with this heretic a few weeks ago. he will ignore everything you say, cherry pick, put words into yor mouth, say; "you do worship mary, etc" despite the fact that you'd say; "we do not worship mary, I JUST SAID THAT." he will repeat the same garbage again. he is the biggest cherry picking hereitc here on YT.
HomeSkillet489 2 months ago
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Any one who calls themselves a Catholic should read the about the "Catholic Inquisition" and if you can read this History and still embrass the Catholic religion as the "One Holy and Apostolic Church" then you are lying to your own conscience. Even the followers of Hilter who still live today are in hiding and have changed their names for shame of the inhumanity of their former emperor.
JesusNonEnviromental 3 months ago
John 6 is not about Christ's flesh and blood being made present in the Eucharist. Not really. (I mean, it's true; the Eucharist is Christ's body and blood.)
But it's really about how far you are willing to follow Christ. ;-) If you are not willing to follow Him even in the little, seeming absurd things like this (if some guy told you you were supposed to eat him, you'd think he was nuts), why would you follow Him in spiritual suicide? Dying to ourselves is 10 times crazier than the Eucharist.
SorokChyetirye 3 months ago
AMEN, AMEN and AMEN! HALLELUIA!!!!!
JDvorak2009 4 months ago
@JesusNonEnviromental - Friend I believe, because the Bible says so - Revelation Chapter 5.
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mmmail1969 4 months ago
For 1,200 years, the Catholic Church carefully copied the bible. The early Christians are Catholic and set all the traditions we Catholics follow today. We Catholics don't believe in lies, we believe in the bible, UNALTERED, handed down to us through the generations. If you know your history you will recall that the lies exist only in the Protestant tradition going back to Wycliffe in the 13th century and of course including Luther.
devine1953 4 months ago
For 1,200 years, the Catholic Church carefully copied the bible. The early Christians are Catholic and set all the traditions we Catholics follow today. We Catholics don't believe in lies, we believe in the bible, UNALTERED, handed down to us through the generations. If you know your history you will recall that the lies exist only in the Protestant tradition going back to Wycliffe in the 13th century and of course including Luther.
devine1953 4 months ago
@devine1953. read very carefully what the catechism of the RCC says as compared to the bible and you will find that alot of catholic traditions and doctrines are not in the bible. put all your faith and trust in Jesus' real blood sacrifice and not in the sacrifice of the mass. take your prayers to Jesus not to Mary.
bornagainsaint1 2 weeks ago
Does anyone have a source for this letter, that doesn't lead me back to here, or lead me to a catholic website that then leads me back to here or a reference to here? I've googled all day and can't find an original or even a mention of one. And what's up with all of you fighting each other? Grow up.
punchdrunkatheist 5 months ago
@punchdrunkatheist Just to expound on this, I've read all of what original texts I can find from St. Justin Martyr, and this is not included in any of them. In fact, I've even read other people writing about Martyr during his time explaining how Justin Martyr even knew utterances of the Egyptian god Ammon, etc. But I won't go on about the similarities in catholic rites and those described by the pyramid texts, or to how they managed to end up worshiping on the day of the sun. Just want source
punchdrunkatheist 5 months ago
@punchdrunkatheist it is in Saint Justin Martyr's "Apology" chapters 66- 67 I believe. and he mentioned this as well: Also, in Chapter 66 of Justin Martyr's First Apology, he describes transformation of the Eucharist: "For not as common bread nor common drink do we receive these; but since Jesus Christ our Saviour was made incarnate by the word of God and had both flesh and blood for our salvation, so too, as we have been taught, the food which has been made into the
6MemoryOfForever9 4 months ago
@punchdrunkatheist .....Eucharist by the Eucharistic prayer set down by him, and by the change of which our blood and flesh is nurtured, is both the flesh and the blood of that incarnated Jesus" First Apology 66:1-20
6MemoryOfForever9 4 months ago
I can assure you by the Word of God and by the Spirit of God that lives in all those who are adopted as sons by God that the Catholic Church is a Den of Devils. They perverse the scriptures with their vile and corrupted minds because they are unregenerated and still in their sins. They believe in Lies because they are of their father who is the Father of Lies and they hate the Truth. The Blind leading the blind unto their own eternal destruction and will not repent because of Pride
JesusNonEnviromental 5 months ago
@JesusNonEnviromental Jesus said to Saint Peter: "I will give the keys of Heaven" and "Upon this Rock(=Kephas=Peter) I WILL BUILD MY CHURCH". One church, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic, not 40 000 protestant sects. And the doors of Hell will not prevail against It". Extra Ecclesia Nulla Salus. Those who know history, cease to be protestants.
ixtoc999 5 months ago 7
@ixtoc999 You look away as this hedonistic occult blasphemes your Lord and Savior. Because of pride and your own love for sin you tolerate their sins of homosexuality and pedophilia and murder and secret assemblies and occultic teachings and satanic rituals. They've turned the Lords supper into a Zombie and Vampire orgy of eating flesh and drinking blood, when Jesus clearly stated that the words he spoke were spiritual and not literal. The Blind leading the Blind, God is not mocked
JesusNonEnviromental 5 months ago
@JesusNonEnviromental well.... you've turned praising the Lord into a horde of psychedelic drugs affected people dancing together, which I am sure the Apostles didn't do that hiding in catacombs from the romans.
6MemoryOfForever9 4 months ago
@6MemoryOfForever9 Sir, I don't expect to give the blind their sight or deaf their hearing because that is the Power of God through Grace. I do have the ability to judge spiritual things because I've been born again by the Spirit of God I am as confident of my salvation as I am of their damnation if they do not repent of their satanic worship. This is a religion whose history is well recorded and documented as the enemy of Godly men and women who will not bow at their altar of blasphemy
JesusNonEnviromental 4 months ago
@JesusNonEnviromental "religion whose history is well recorded and documented as the enemy of Godly men and women.. lol! I don't know if you missed that part in Catholicism 101 course..but this is the religion of SAINTS!! tell me about one protestant who was greater in the knowledge of God than Padre Pio, or Saint Theresa of Lisieux, or Saint Theresa of Avila, or Edith Stein, or Saint Francis...oh yeah I forgot, all of those are evil satan worshipers, but I am sure Martin Luther was a nice guy.
6MemoryOfForever9 4 months ago
@6MemoryOfForever9 Its also well understood that foolish men laugh before they speak. Your laughter only demeans your following statements because you present them with a light heartedness that discredits every word you say. I don't have to respond to foolishness. Any man or woman who believes in the doctrines of devils does not know God. These men have erred in their faith and understanding of the one mediator between God and man, The Lord Jesus Christ
JesusNonEnviromental 4 months ago
@6MemoryOfForever9 I also know from scripture that God does not allow His children to remain in darkness concerning His Will. I abhor these cults like Catholicism because God gives me this abhorance just as he gives me the hatred of my sin. Read the Word of God and if God will shed His grace on you and open your eyes you too will become enlightened to your error of understanding and religious pride.
JesusNonEnviromental 4 months ago
@JesusNonEnviromental Dude, Martin Luther WAS A CATHOLIC PRIEST.... Get over your stupid high horse. The founder of your religion is a CATHOLIC who decided to make his own laws after the laws of his church, the TRUE CHURCH, the CATHOLIC CHURCH, weren't agreeable to his taste!! It is as if I came over to the U.S., said the Constitution sucks, and decided to make a new one! Protestants are so pathetic, I don't even argue with them anymore, I LAUGH at them and occasionally pity them! How evil of me
6MemoryOfForever9 2 weeks ago
@6MemoryOfForever9. the RCC is filled with idolatry!!
bornagainsaint1 2 weeks ago
@bornagainsaint1 Oh woooooow, how true!!.... And God is an idolater too... you know, when he told the Jews to make two statues of Angels on the Ark of the Covenant!! Oooooooooooh what an idolater God!!! Wanna call HIM names too? Or do you show off only anonymously on the internet??
6MemoryOfForever9 2 weeks ago
@6MemoryOfForever9. the Almighty is not an idolater, He is our Perfect Intercessor. His blood sacrifice saves to the utmost, we can call on Jesus anytime anywhere. the angels on the Ark of the Covenant are not to be worshipped, but catholics do look upon images hoping that they will speak, move or cry tears. they want a sign. the only sign is His blood sacrifice.
bornagainsaint1 2 weeks ago
@bornagainsaint1 In addition Catholics worship GOD alone, in trinity. We do not believe that statues can heard us, niether that they can walk, nor talk. We beleive the living Sts, the very body of christ, can hear us walk and talk, whom the statue represents. Iconoclasm is heresy and was deemed so by the united church in the 7th ecunemtical council a very very long time ago.
gtepp031387 2 weeks ago
@bornagainsaint1 mmmhmmm??? And apparently you asked all Catholics what they want of statues!! Statues and Icons remind us of the person, like a photograph. We neither worship them nor expect anything from them. If a sign happens, it happens, maybe you should send your opinion to God about it! Quit being so obsessed about Catholics. Get OVER us! And learn some Catholic theology and history before you whine about it!
6MemoryOfForever9 1 week ago 7
@6MemoryOfForever9. get out of catholic theology and start reading what Jesus said and did. most of catholicism rejects the mission of Jesus' blood sacrifice, namely purgatory and the unbloody sacrifice that the priest offers during services in a catholic church. i was raised catholic & i left that church bcuz of its strange traditions which are not in the bible. when signs & wonders occur from statues, pictures or apparitions, they are from satan, turn to His blood sacrifice.
bornagainsaint1 1 week ago
@bornagainsaint1 Le Dude, how do I tell you this respectfully? I am seriously messing with you. I'm bored and having fun. Stop being so serious and weird on the internet. Plus, the Catholic Church was a pro at this when Protestantism was a one-legged baby stumbling around. Still is anyway! :D
6MemoryOfForever9 1 week ago
@JesusNonEnviromental ".. when Jesus clearly stated that the words he spoke were spiritual and not literal."
If I may ask? Where does he say this?
Just some key points: John 6:52-53 " The Jew quarreled among themselves saying, 'How can this man give us his flesh to eat?'" (Sound familiar?)"Jesus said to them "Aman, amen, I say to you unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you."
anrmenchaca74 4 months ago 3
@ JesusNonEnviromental
Matthew 26:26 "While they were eating, Jesus took bread, said the blessing, broke it and giving it to his disciples said, 'Take and eat; this is my body...."
No where does he say 'This is only symbolic.' Sounds like a command to follow.
Also,
Luke 22:19 "Then he took bread, said the blessing, broke it , and gave it to them saying 'This is my body, which will be given up for you; DO THIS in memory of me.' Clearly another comman. Just wanted to share this with you.
anrmenchaca74 4 months ago 3
@anrmenchaca74 I can tell you in love that you have swallowed a camel and choked on a gnat. You are like those screaming to free Barabbas because you defend what you don't know. Your church government and its workings are hidden from you just as they hid the Word of God and spoke in latin to the laiety for centuries. They work in secret and put on a show of religiousity that pleases the eyes but converts not one sinner. You mix truth with error and then change the error to truth.
JesusNonEnviromental 4 months ago
@anrmenchaca74 John 6:63 Understand that the drinking of blood or eating anything with blood was forbidden in Mosaic Law. Its also clearly understood that what goes into the mouth comes out as dung to be burned or discarded and God would never ever in all eternity choose food or drink to cleanse or strengthen the Spirit. The understanding that you must eat my flesh is the same understanding in Revelations 10:10 where John actually ate the Scroll.
JesusNonEnviromental 4 months ago
@anrmenchaca74 You have to understand that when Jesus said these words they were celebrating the Passover feast which is the Lamb that had to be eaten before the dawn. He made reference or paralleled these sayings to Himself because He is the Lamb of God. Eating that passover lamb was merely a picture and Jesus was saying you must Partake of me rather than this Lamb. How do we partake of Jesus's death by Faith, not by literally Eating Him
JesusNonEnviromental 4 months ago
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JesusNonEnviromental 4 months ago
@anrmenchaca74 One more note for your understanding. Read John 6:34-35 Here we see how we spiritually fill our hunger "We come to Jesus" Here we see how we spiritually quench our thirst, "We believe on Jesus" These words are instructions for righteousness, As many that come He will not cast out and to as many that believe he will save to the uttermost. We don't literally eat and drink Jesus, we come and believe by faith. I hope by the power of God this opens your eyes
JesusNonEnviromental 4 months ago
@anrmenchaca74 One more note for your understanding. Read John 6:34-35 Here we see how we spiritually fill our hunger "We come to Jesus" Here we see how we spiritually quench our thirst, "We believe on Jesus" These words are instructions for righteousness, As many that come He will not cast out and to as many that believe he will save to the uttermost. We don't literally eat and drink Jesus, we come and believe by faith. I hope by the power of God this opens your eyes
JesusNonEnviromental 4 months ago
@ixtoc999 Read about your Catholic History and if you still love your church its because you do not love God
JesusNonEnviromental 5 months ago
@ixtoc999 lol WIN! :D
6MemoryOfForever9 4 months ago
@ixtoc999. Jesus is the Rock, the church is built on Jesus. Peter preached that Jesus is the very cornerstone of our faith, when we reject that cornerstone our faith is dead and we are headed to hell. Peter never raised himself up as being the cornerstone of our faith. the Rock Jesus referred to was Peter's confession "you are the Christ, the Son of the living God". this is what our faith is built on - Jesus, the perfect blood sacrifice sent from our heavenly Father.
bornagainsaint1 2 weeks ago
AMEN!!
xmasluvr93 6 months ago
anti-catholic=anti-christ
229jop888 6 months ago
Worshiping the Eucharist is worshiping God; it is not idolotry but adoration of the Lord. The hosts & wine, when consecrated as prescribed by Jesus on Holy Thursday, becomes the Body & Blood of Christ. He said of the bread: This IS My Body, and It became His Body. Then He said of the wine: This IS my Blood". Then Jesus said: "Do this in memory of Me,. God cannot lie. Hosts Consecrated by the successors of the apostles, Roman Catholic priest's, do the same at every Mass. We are blessed!
grandmajoyce2 7 months ago 2
@grandmajoyce2. Jesus did not mean it literally - transubstantiation - if we are to believe that His supper becomes Him then this surely is idolatry, and it would make His blood sacrifice of no effect for the sins of the world. the priests do not have the power nor the authority to offer Jesus as any kind of sacrifice to His Father. Jesus offered Himself out of obedience to His Father. Jesus said to eat His supper in remembrance of His real blood sacrifice. RCC is materialistic
bornagainsaint1 2 weeks ago
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Born2Flesh 7 months ago
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SeventhDayRemnant 7 months ago
Jesus said,"Unless you eat the flesh of the son of man and drink his blood you have no life within you"."I am the living bread that comes down from heaven whoever eat this bread will live forever and the bread which I shall give for the life of the world is my flesh". "He who eats my flesh and drink my blood has eternal life and I will raise him up on the last day". Jesus also said,"Behold your mother". Proud to be Catholic. Hail Mary.
cramirez11 7 months ago 19
@cramirez11 The words Jesus spoke were spiritual, but those who are not spiritual who are not born of the Spirit of God will not understand this. They will believe that salvation comes by eating and drinking rather than by faith and grace. They will believe a lie because the truth is hidden from them. The children of God know that Jesus spoke these words because he was equating himself to the Passover Lamb. Men who have no faith will always lean towards works and earthly things.
JesusNonEnviromental 4 months ago
@JesusNonEnviromental " Men who have no faith will always lean towards works and earthly things."
Very true, the key here is "...Men who have no Faith..."
James 2:17 reminds us that "faith of itself, if it does not have work, is dead." In verse 24 James says, "See how a person is justified by works and not by faith alone." And later: "For just as a body without a spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead" (2:26).
anrmenchaca74 4 months ago
@anrmenchaca74 Faith without works is dead, This is not speaking of Salvation because we know that its only by the shedding of Blood that sins are forgiven. James is speaking about walking in Faith and building up your Faith, but he is not speaking concerning the Gospel or Salvation. We are partakers of Gods grace through Faith which is given by God to as many that believe. The instruction is to now walk in Faith and not by sight, this faith does not save us, it allows us to partake
JesusNonEnviromental 4 months ago
@anrmenchaca74 Faith without works is Dead, This is not talking about eternal death, but the state of ones faith. To equate this verse to the message of the Gospel is how the Catholic church invents sacraments. Sacraments are works for Grace which is unscriptural and damns the one who puts their faith in himself. A battery that is dead is still a battery but it is good for nothing and does not fullfill its purpose, this is the teaching here. We are saved for good works not by good works
JesusNonEnviromental 4 months ago
@cramirez11 You believe this to your own damnation, I will not believe this because I know God because He first knew me and chose me before my birth. It is impossible to deceive and Elect of God and because the elect will not accept a Lie they shall be persecuted and will die for their faith. Only those who oppose this lie like William Tyndale will suffer in this world, but those who believe this lie will suffer for eternity
JesusNonEnviromental 4 months ago
@JesusNonEnviromental These are the words of our Lord Jesus Christ. The Bread Of Life.
Jesus Christ said, " Those who don't believe will be condemned ".
cramirez11 4 months ago 9
@cramirez11. don't believe what? what condemns us?
bornagainsaint1 3 months ago
@bornagainsaint1 St. Ignatius of Antioch, Epistle to the Romans, 7, 110 A.D.: I desire the Bread of God, the heavenly Bread, the Bread of Life, which is the flesh of Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who became afterwards of the seed of David and Abraham; I wish the drink of God, namely His blood, which is incorruptible love and eternal life.
Jesus Christ said," He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me and I in him". "For my flesh is true food and my blood true drink" The Eucharist.
cramirez11 3 months ago
@cramirez11. Jesus did not mean it literally - transubstantiation - if He did then it is cannabolism from the heart. Jesus was making a very strong statement that His blood sacrifice is to be taken seriously. Jesus said to John only "behold your mother", to take care of Mary as if she was his biological mother, not ours. His blood sacrifice saves, not His supper, His supper is a picture of His crucifixon, death & resurrection. praying TO Mary is idolatry.
bornagainsaint1 2 weeks ago
@bornagainsaint1 JESUS CHRIST said, " UNLESS YOU EAT THE FLESH OF THE SON OF MAN AND DRINK HIS BLOOD YOU HAVE NO LIFE WITHIN YOU " " HE WHO EATS MY FLESH AND DRINKS MY BLOOD HAS ETERNAL LIFE AND I WILL RAISE HIM UP ON THE LAST DAY " " I AM THE LIVING BREAD THAT COMES DOWN FROM HEAVEN WHOEVER EATS THIS BREAD WILL LIVE FOREVER AND THE BREAD WHICH I SHALL GIVE FOR THE LIFE OF THE WORLD IS MY FLESH" The mother of Jesus said,"Do whatever he tells you" Hail Mary.
cramirez11 2 weeks ago
@cramirez11. His blood sacrifice saves, His supper does not. faith in His blood sacrifice literally saves us. Jesus said to remember Him when we eat His supper. the very act of His suffering, crucifixion, judgement upon Him, His death and resurrection saves to the utmost. what He endured is the punishment we deserve, but He saved us from the horrible punishment and judgement that we deserve if we do not put our trust and faith in His blood sacrifice.
bornagainsaint1 2 weeks ago
@bornagainsaint1 Eat his flesh,drink his blood This saying is hard, and who can hear it? But there are some of you that believe not.Jesus knew from the beginning,who believe not and who would betray him. Jesus said, Will you also go away? Simon Peter said, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.And we have believed and have known, that thou art the Christ, the Son of God.Jesus said,Have not I chosen you twelve; and one of you is a devil? It's your choice.
cramirez11 1 week ago
This is absolute Blasphemy! Your evil Eucarist is not scriptural and is acually satanic! All Catholics need to REPENT unto the Lord and leave the deception of Catholocism and seek the Lord through his true Word in the Holy Bible. He has warned you in Revelation 17-18 of your future in worship under the evil Satanic worship of Catholocism. Your worship of Mary is just a rebirth of the worship of Asteris/Samiramis the moon goddess wife of Baal/Nimrod.
RaptureOrTribulation 7 months ago
@RaptureOrTribulation If you read your Bible (which by the way was put together by the Catholic church in the 3rd century), you will find that the Eucharist is indeed scriptural. e.g. Mathew Ch.26v.26 Mark Ch. 14 v.22,
Luke Ch.22 v.14 John Ch.6 v34 and 48-59. I am Catholic and I know my Bible. I'll pray for you. You don't know the joy you are missing. Please do your own investigation into the truth.
EvelynMilne 7 months ago
@EvelynMilne I just prayed for you. You need to investigate this more rather than litening to the catholic hiarchy that is lieing to you. Pray to Yeshuah for the truth. Just get on your knees and pray to him to reveal the truth to you! He will if you sincerely want the truth.
RaptureOrTribulation 7 months ago
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@RaptureOrTribulation If you read your Bible (which by the way was put together by the Catholic church in the 3rd century), you will find that the Eucharist is indeed scriptural. e.g. Mathew Ch.26v.26 Mark Ch. 14 v.22,
Luke Ch.22 v.14 John Ch.6 v34 and 48-59. I am Catholic and I know my Bible. I'll pray for you. You don't know the joy you are missing. Please do your own investigation into the truth. You will not regret it.
EvelynMilne 7 months ago
Catholics do not worship Mary, they ask for her intercession. Please get your facts straight before you go condemning someone elses beliefs
baseballer0413 7 months ago 20
@baseballer0413 You may want to get your facts straight. Every catholic that I have seen and know of when they see a statue(idol) of Mary, they stop and bow and pray to it. There is definately worship going on there. The 2nd commandment of GOD is thous shalt not make any graven images or idols. You catholics feel you can write your own commandments and then say you had the right to do it. Your pegan religion is the "mystery religion" of today. .
RaptureOrTribulation 7 months ago
@RaptureOrTribulation --all prayer ends in God, not a statue, so who cares if I use a statue in my prayer life? Only God knows my heart, and he knows im speaking ultimately to him, not a statue.
WayOfTheMaster454 7 months ago
@WayOfTheMaster454 When Jesus declares that you Love GOd with all your heart, soul and might and then you turn around and worship and pray to a staute to which is the abomination spoken of in the 2nd commandment to not make any graven images or idols, you are not loving GOD with all your heart, soul and might. Can you and all the others get that through your heads??
RaptureOrTribulation 7 months ago
@RaptureOrTribulation --Commandment 2 is against idolotry, not statues; moses made a bronze snake in the desert, and the Temple had images of certain animals in it. Idolotry is only when you BELIEVE a statue IS divine.
WayOfTheMaster454 7 months ago
@WayOfTheMaster454 You are right but not thorough enough in your explanation. Idolotry is when you put something above God! It can be a statue, a sports car, a diamond ring, a sport that you play, a member of your family. Anything that is more important than GOD is idolotry. To even go further, Jesus Christ is God. If you were to have a statue or painting of Jesus Christ that you value more than anything in this world to where you would sin against God to keep it, that is idolotry.
RaptureOrTribulation 7 months ago
@RaptureOrTribulation The Catholic church puts nothing above GOD, and worship is for GOD alone. I would suggest you do a little research on the 7th ecumentical council tounderstand why we have images in out church. The second commadment is "You shall have no other gods besides me"...though I know your church has changed the commadment to fit there anti catholic stand
gtepp031387 6 months ago
@gtepp031387 I am so sorry that your eyes and mind are blinded by your sins against the Lord. I will pray for your eyes to be opened to the truth. I will not argue with you for you are like the others blinded supernaturally. Catholocism is the continuation of the Mystery religion(Pagan sun god worship) which is Satanism. The poops have declared themselves vicor of Christ which is heresy. You worship idols of mother mary whom really is moon goddess Simiramus.
RaptureOrTribulation 6 months ago
@RaptureOrTribulation Intersting.... source of this information..or is this simply propaganda?...And the Pope being the Vicor(I wonder if you know what this word means) of Christ is not a herisy, it is something that has always been believed, as he is the sucessore of Peter.
gtepp031387 6 months ago
@gtepp031387. one of the commandments says that we are not to make images and bow down to them, but the RCC took that out and discarded it.
bornagainsaint1 2 weeks ago
@bornagainsaint1 One of the commadments, sry bud the commandment reads that you are not to have any GOD besides me, you are not to worship other GODs nor make images of them. You are an image of something on earth so please kill yourself if you feal this way. The computer you are using is an image as well, GOD ordered the making of the holy images in his own temple, Jesus bowed in that temple.
gtepp031387 2 weeks ago
@WayOfTheMaster454 Obviously the 2nd commandment also addresses making graven images and performing worship to that image.
RaptureOrTribulation 7 months ago
@RaptureOrTribulation --Commandment 2 prohibits idolotry ie statues with intent to worship it; the old testament has instructions for some animal and angel statues to be made to adorn the temple and ark of the covenent. But I suppose it said specifically "no graven images" because the jews were somewhat prone to idolotry in the 1st place.
WayOfTheMaster454 7 months ago
@baseballer0413 The model of prayer given to us by our Lord Jesus is clearly taught. We are to Pray to the Father through the Son. We pray to the Throne of the Father and Jesus who is seated at the Right-hand of the Father and Mary is not on the throne. Catholics give a picture of mary being the Queen and seated on the Throne. This is blasphemy and Idolatry and is not found in scripture. Catholics always worship the vehicle, like the wafer, the wine, the mother, the saints,the pope
JesusNonEnviromental 4 months ago
@baseballer0413 Those who pray to Mary will not see the kingdom of God because they seek strange gods they have fabricated to usurp the Authority and Deity of God. Catholics will tell you to pray to saints, but the bible calls all men saints so this is another false teaching. Catholics pray to statues carved out of wood to resemble mary and Jesus. Catholics light candles so their prayers can be heard another heresy, Catholics and the Pope pray with buddhists and hindus etc which is heresy
JesusNonEnviromental 4 months ago
@baseballer0413. Praying to Mary in her name(Hail Mary) is idolatry. Please get all the facts straight from the bible before you pray to someone else other than in Jesus' name. the Lord will condemn anyone who prays in someone else's name other than in is His name. Yes catholics worship Mary, I was catholic but no more. I pray to the heavenly Father in Jesus' name and He heard all my prayers. i dont pray the rosary, will something bad happen to me?
bornagainsaint1 3 months ago
@bornagainsaint1 If you were a Catholic you would know the Hail Mary comes straight out of scriptures, it is the words the angel Gabriel spoke to her. This angel of the Lord revealed to us who Mary really was. She is the Mother of the King and if you are familiar with the Lords teachings in the Old Testament, which all in the early church were, you would know she is their for our Queen and worthy of honour.
converter7 2 months ago
@converter7. Jesus is my intercessor, I take all my cares to Him and Him only. He hears me, I don't need Mary nor anyone else who has passed on to take my prayers to Jesus. The bible says not to get involved with those who have passed on. Stop shoving your hateful doctrines and traditions down my throat, and stop insulting Jesus. The living bornagain saints who pray for each other have complete confidence that Jesus hears our prayers and answers them, and not those who have passed on.
bornagainsaint1 2 months ago
@bornagainsaint1 I am sorry i you have misunderstood me. I'm not sure how our doctrines are 'hateful'? If you feel you can go straight to Jesus with all your problems, that is great. But not all of us have that. We rely on our Christian friends and the saints to pray with us as we pray or each other as one body in Christ. The Church (by which I mean all Christian people not an institution) is the body of Christ, that is, all Christians; past, present and future. Also, we don't believe any saint
converter7 2 months ago
is dead. Whether that is the Christians of the past or our brothers and sisters who walk amongst us today. All saints/Christians are alive in Jesus and therefore we are not dealing with the dead but the Church Triumphant, those Christian brothers and sisters of ours who have achieved eternal life through Christ Jesus. All Christians make up the Church/Body of Christ, whether that be Catholic, Protestant, Orthodox or other. As long as they have accepted Jesus Christ as their saviour and have
converter7 2 months ago
@converter7. be careful when you say "or other". there is only one way to Jesus, and that is through the Holy Spirit, who comforts us and brings us close to Jesus, all of this happens bcuz of what He accomplished on the cross. He is our perfect intercessor.
bornagainsaint1 2 weeks ago
been baptised in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. We all worship him in different ways but that shouldn't divide us. We must pray for the healing of his Church, that we become One again in Him. Ecumenical relations must become the ultimate goal of our age. Uniting His children as true Christians who honour and respect each others differences and traditions. God bless you my friend and continue to spread the Good News of our Saviour.
converter7 2 months ago
@converter7 the second part of the Hail Mary is not from the bible, therefore it is idolatry. the angel Gabriel did not bow down to her, nor did he worship her, he just gave her a message. but the second part of the Hail Mary did not come from Gabriel, it came from the RCC. idolatry. Deut chp 18 says not to call on spirits of the dead. why call on Mary when you can call on Jesus knowing He will pray for you and will always be there to save and guide you.
bornagainsaint1 1 week ago
@bornagainsaint1 Deut 18 is not dealing with the living body of Christ, but with those in prison. We do not communicate with those in prison though we do pray from them like in maccabees. You can not seperate Christ from his body, the Sts are one with and in him just as Christ is one with and in the father, they are with him where he is and sharing in hios glory(John 17:20-26)
gtepp031387 1 week ago
@gtepp031387. are you saying that Jesus is incompetent to hear our prayers? is that why the RCC says we are not good enough to go to Jesus for forgiveness? can believers go to Jesus anytime anywhere?
bornagainsaint1 1 week ago
@bornagainsaint1 What I am saying is that you are seperating Christ from his body, and that is not ok. Does GOD need the angles to report to him about what happenes to little children?...no but does he use them and give them tasks?... Yes he does....your point is rather silly. Can believers not go the body of Christ for support anytime?..Why are you trying to seperate Christ from his body?..Can the eye say to the hand I do not need you?
gtepp031387 1 week ago
@gtepp031387 when bornagain believers, who are still living, prays for the living they know that Jesus hears their prayers. those who have passed on, this includes Mary, do not take our prayers to Him. John 5:25-29, Jesus tells us that those who have passed on hear His voice, not ours. i am not separating believers from Christ, Jesus hears them. whether we go to Him privately in our "closets" or go to Him in groups He hears us and He said that He will never turn us away.
bornagainsaint1 1 week ago
@bornagainsaint1 1) Intresting so your claiming that the living body of Christ is not with Jesus when you pray to him?...This sounds like seperation to me.
2) Why would the holy scripture invoke you to ask the angles and Sts in heaven to "bless the LORD" and "praise the LORD" Psalms 103 & 148 if they could not hear you?
3) Not only that but we see the intercession of those in heaven offering our prayers to GOD in Rev 5:8 and Rev 8:3-4...U have been proven wrong in all accounts
gtepp031387 1 week ago
Respond to this video... Also, as we are in Christ, she is our Mother too and we must honour our Father AND our Mother. She was deemed worthy by our Lord and is therefore worthy to us. As for praying in her name, we aren't. We are calling upon her to intercede for us just as we call upon our Christian friends to intercede for us. If you believe they are saints,
converter7 2 months ago
Respond to this video... then surely you must believe they are as alive if not more alive then your Christian friends and they are with our Lord so they are in a far better position to intercede for us then our friends on Earth, yet no Protestant has a problem asking their Christian friends to intercede for them. Of all the saints, surely the one our Lord called blessed is the closest to God and therefore the best person to intercede for us.
converter7 2 months ago
God bless you! I pray for the healing of the Church, that all Christians;atholic, Protestant, Orthodox and others all come together again in communion with the Lord as we boldly proclaim, "We believe in ONE, HOLY, CATHOLIC and APOSTOLIC Church" Our Lady of Perpetual Help, Pray for us!
converter7 2 months ago
@bornagainsaint1 You are a very misinformed Catholic and were probably raised by misinformed Catholics. There are many life you and even I earlier in my life before I really learned my faith was confused and misinformed on many things. It is sad that as Catholics so many of us do not know or understand our faith. I think that is the Church's fault in some ways but also if a cradle Catholic, sometimes our parents. Catholics do not worship Mary. We honor Mary.
suzwaddell 2 weeks ago
@suzwaddell. i wasn't misinformed, i was taught the same catholic doctrines and traditions as you are. i left that church bcuz i want Jesus, not catholicism. catholics really need to question the church's doctrines and traditions and then compare them to the bible, you will not find them in there anywhere. i could care less about the apparitions of Mary, i am looking forward to the glorious coming of Jesus when He returns to take us home with Him.
bornagainsaint1 2 weeks ago
@bornagainsaint1 Jesus is our only intercessor. There is no idolatry towards Mary either. Having a picture or statue of her is no different than having a family members photograph in your home. If you want to attack idolatry....try attacking things like idolizing football players, celebrities, American Idol.....there are your examples of idolatry. I hope you come back to the Church some day. Seek more answers about your faith....I did and I came home...God Bless
suzwaddell 2 weeks ago
@suzwaddell. well there is a problem with this kind of logic. catholics, or any unbeliever will look upon these objects hoping and waiting that they will either speak, move, or cry tears. this is folly, go to Jesus and learn of His gentle yoke. His blood sacrifice saves to the utmost. praying TO Mary is idolatry.
bornagainsaint1 2 weeks ago
@RaptureOrTribulation Amen brother, God lead me out of the Catholic darkness of idolatry. I have seen with my own eyes the satanic ritual of the Mass. Only the priest would partake of the wine and would mutter words that would turn the wine to blood. The Lords image was displayed above the altar on the cross which causes the people to pray to it and worship the image instead of the Person. They would pay money to light candles at the side altar so the prayers would be heard
JesusNonEnviromental 4 months ago
@JesusNonEnviromental Amen! All the Praise, Honor and Glory be to the Lord Yeshuah Mechiac!
RaptureOrTribulation 4 months ago
@JesusNonEnviromental "..The Lords image was displayed above the altar on the cross which causes the people to pray to it and worship the image instead of the Person..."
St. Paul preached Christ Crucified in 1 Cor. 1:23 "..but we proclaim Christ crucified,a stumbling block to the Jew and foolishness to Gentiles.."
and 1 Cor. 2:2. "..For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus and him crucified.."
Christ on the cross is the Power of God. Just wanted to share that
anrmenchaca74 4 months ago
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@JesusNonEnviromental "..The Lords image was displayed above the altar on the cross which causes the people to pray to it and worship the image instead of the Person..."
St. Paul preached Christ Crucified in 1 Cor. 1:23 "..but we proclaim Christ crucified,a stumbling block to the Jew and foolishness to Gentiles.."
and 1 Cor. 2:2. "..For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus and him crucified.."
Christ on the cross is the Power of God. Just wanted to share that
anrmenchaca74 4 months ago
@claudius860..what person is not immune to pride? You yourself is not being humble to accept the truth even though you already know the consistent practice of the church from the beginning up to now. If I say only the catholic church is the one holding and guarding to the Tradition then & now, do you say i am proud or would you rather accept the fact of the statement? But no matter what you say, there is no other church who can claim such, not even orthodoxy who are now protestantized in their
279cute 7 months ago
Fatimamovement... gotta love conspiracy theories... read God's Final Effort by John Haffert, a Fatima expert (and Blue Army leader), for an actual balanced perspective instead of spending all your time destroying the church unity from within.
LilacLily9 8 months ago
Jesus Christ is God, Jesus is the son of the Lord (a talking fire created by Freemasonry). This knowledge is the difference between Heaven and Hell. It has taken 1900 years for the Jesuits to conquer the Vatican, this process known as the Apocalypse. So the next anti-pope is the last and the punishment from Heaven is Imminent.
Read the recently released Third Secret of Fatima here:
FATIMAMOVEMENT d o t c o m
The boiling point is here. Everyone has an obligation to Christ to know this.
fatimamovement 9 months ago
the fruit of the vine argument proves nothing. in the bible things are called by their appearance . For example in Genesis 18:1-6 angels who took the appearance of men where called men.Howevert it did note deny that they were angels.Aarons rod is cast down and becomes a serpent and swallows up Aarons serpens.The serpnts are still called rods. Exodus 7:9-12. Threfore the fruit of the vineis called that because that is what it looks like. But it is still the body of Christ.
vamp2757 9 months ago
BEAUTIFUL!!!!!
AegeanKing 9 months ago
beautiful video of on some of the much historicity on the early Holy Catholic Apostolic Church!!
megaead69 9 months ago
Jesus said,"Unless you eat the flesh of the son of man and drink his blood you have no life within you"."I am the living bread that comes down from heaven whoever eats this bread will live forever and the bread which I shall give for the life of the world is my flesh"."He who eats my body and drink my blood has eternal life and I will raise him up on the last day". "I am with you always even until the end of the world". These are the words of our Lord Jesus Christ.The bread of life.The Eucharist
cramirez11 9 months ago 2
Well done!
mapollo 9 months ago
Does anyone have a link to a place i can find the original letters of justin martyr? i might add that he mentions many similarities with paganism. such as in his de prescriptionae hereticorum. i had a place where all this was but lost it. if anyone knows where i can view the original documents please let me know
taliesin939939 10 months ago
The hardest part about arguing with Protestants is digging through their hubrus and pride. They erroneously believe that they have the authority to interpret Holy Scripture without any error whatsoever.
This is sheer folly, and the entire history of Protestantism reflects this. Today, there are over 33,000 Protestant sects, all espousing their own versions of the truth.
Sheer heresy.
There is only One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church: founded by Christ himself on St. Peter.
drdst17 10 months ago
@drdst17 i think what hubris is is putting so much faith in a human institution and bureacracy. people following the leader with their minds. they are like sheep following a herd mentality. thinking a church has everything figured out or in the infallibility of humans is arrogance. i am a comparative religions major. i seek to discover truth by documents, research. this is not hubris. this is called critical thinking. i am not religious. i have the goal of being comparative religions professor
taliesin939939 10 months ago
@taliesin939939 Christ founded the Catholic church and He protects it....otherwise He is a liar....Matthew 16:18
margieforlife 9 months ago
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Don't address my Christ as a liar...he is truth and he still protects Catholic church.... i understood your message...putting it in a positive way
lionel3fernandez 9 months ago
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@taliesin939939
"this is called critical thinking"
Read up on Thomas Aquinas.
mapollo 9 months ago
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God is offended by receiving Him on "dirty" hands(ONLY priest can touch Him) in the Holy Eucharist!
Only accepted by Heaven form of receiving living Heart of Jesus Christ in the Eucharist of the Catholic Church is into our mouth and on our both knees!
God bless you and be brave
JezusSlave 10 months ago
@JezusSlave. are you out of your mind? the apostles ate the same bread with their hands that Jesus passed around the table, and they were sinners also. priests are not the only ones who can touch the bread and the cup of wine. by the way Jesus did away with the priesthood, the priesthood that offers sacrifices, Jesus offered the most perfect ultimate and final blood sacrifice - Himself, He finished, closed out and ended the OT human sacrificial priesthood , bloody & unbloody.
bornagainsaint1 2 weeks ago
@bornagainsaint1 you are typical heretic my friend from one of man-made churches started 300 years ago or later. There can be only one truth and one true Church and there has not been other Church than Catholic since Jesus Christ.
We discover secrets of the Holy Word for centuries and there was no Church when Jesus was on earth and no Mass.
You are an heretic as you deny the Catholic Bible and living God in the Eucharist-John 6:66
Read about Eucharistic Miracles or just watch it in Naju, etc.
JezusSlave 2 weeks ago
@JezusSlave. i do not deny His blood sacrifice. i don't need to literally eat His flesh(body) and drink His blood to get Him into my life and to ask Him to forgive me. if it really turned into His body and blood then we are committing sexual perversion along with cannabolism from the heart. Jesus was making a very strong statement in John chp 6 by telling us that we must believe in His blood sacrifice and to take it seriously.
bornagainsaint1 2 weeks ago
@bornagainsaint1 "They(gnostics) abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they confess not the Eucharist to be the flesh of our Saviour Jesus Christ, which suffered for our sins, and which the Father, of His goodness, raised up again. Those, therefore, who speak against this gift of God, incur death in the midst of their disputes." ~ St Ignatius of Antioch around 100 A.D.
gtepp031387 2 weeks ago
@gtepp031387. Jesus' blood sacrifice saves to the utmost, not His supper. He told us to remember Him when we eat His supper.
bornagainsaint1 2 weeks ago
@bornagainsaint1 The Eucharist(meaing to give thanks) is how you recieve the sacrifice, whoever does not eat my flesh and drink my blood does not have life within him. Your personal interpritation goes against the historical tradition of the body of christ, you have no connection to the body of christ for the first 1500 years for the church.
gtepp031387 2 weeks ago
@gtepp031387. i believe in His presence but not through transubstantiation.
bornagainsaint1 2 weeks ago
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gtepp031387 2 weeks ago
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@bornagainsaint1 guess Jesus just needed one of those good old southern baptism ministers there with him when he said to his diciples that they must eat his flesh and drink his blood, that way before they all left him the baptism minister could have stood up and told them "he doesn't mean it, not really, he's just speaking symbolically"...mabey then they would nto have left eh???....
gtepp031387 2 weeks ago
@bornagainsaint1 John 6:35,41,48,51 - Jesus says four times "I AM the bread from heaven." It is He, Himself, the eternal bread from heaven.
John 6:27,31,49 - there is a parallel between the manna in the desert which was physically consumed, and this "new" bread which must be consumed.
John 6:51-52- then Jesus says that the bread He is referring to is His flesh.The Jews take Him literally and immediately question such a teaching. How can this man give us His flesh to eat?
gtepp031387 2 weeks ago
@bornagainsaint1 John 6:53 - 58 - Jesus does not correct their literal interpretation. Instead, Jesus eliminates any metaphorical interpretations by swearing an oath and being even more literal about eating His flesh. In fact, Jesus says four times we must eat His flesh and drink His blood. Catholics thus believe that Jesus makes present His body and blood in the sacrifice of the Mass. Protestants can only argue that Jesus was somehow speaking symbolically.
gtepp031387 2 weeks ago
@bornagainsaint1 John 6:23-53 - however, a symbolic interpretation is not plausible. Throughout these verses, the Greek text uses the word "phago" nine times. "Phago" literally means "to eat" or "physically consume." Like the Protestants of our day, the disciples take issue with Jesus' literal usage of "eat." So Jesus does what?
gtepp031387 2 weeks ago
@gtepp031387. throughout history people have witnessed the bread and wine actually turning into real human flesh and blood. when this happened did they still eat the transformed objects? if this was to happen on catholics altars would you along with the others still eat these objects?
bornagainsaint1 2 weeks ago
@bornagainsaint1 If one does not believe the eucharist is the flesh of Jesus, then it is of no use to that person, I allways see the flesh of Jesus.
gtepp031387 2 weeks ago
@gtepp031387. if the bread and wine were to actually turn into His real flesh and blood would you still eat it? if not then why does the RCC insists and demand that we believe it is His real body and blood, the same body and blood He had when He was on earth, this includes His private parts. the RCC has grossly misunderstood His supper.
bornagainsaint1 2 weeks ago
@bornagainsaint1 "if the bread and wine were to actually turn into His real flesh and blood would you still eat it?"
Every time I eat the eucharist it is his real flesh and real blood, and it is food indeed. You have grossly misunderstood not only the last supper but the communion of the body of christ throughout all ages.
gtepp031387 1 week ago
@bornagainsaint1 I speak not for myself, but for the faith throughout all ages. I speak in the knowledge of the Sts before me, as my word alone means nothing. I speak in the knowledge of the holy bible, whom the Sts before me put together and cannonized, by the inspiration of the holy spirit. I do not speak of my personal interpritation of the bible based on my 21st century presuppositions as my proof, but on the soild foundation of the holy faith throughout all ages.
gtepp031387 1 week ago
@bornagainsaint1 "The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not a participation in the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? Because there is one bread, we who are many are one body, for we all partake of the one bread.....Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of profaning the body and blood of the Lord."
" ~ St Paul
gtepp031387 1 week ago
@bornagainsaint1 "Let no one eat and drink of your Eucharist but those baptized in the name of the Lord; to this,too the saying of the Lord is applicable:'Do not give to dogs what is sacred...On the Lord's own day, assemble in common to break bread and offer thanks; but first confess your sins,so that your sacrifice may be pure...your sacrifice must not be defiled.For here we have the saying of the Lord:'In every place and time offer me a pure sacrifice"~The Didache 1st century
gtepp031387 1 week ago
@bornagainsaint1 "He commanded us to celebrate sacrifices and services, and that it should not be thoughtlessly or disorderly,but at fixed times and hours.He has Himself fixed by His supreme will the places and persons whom He desires for these celebrations...Our sin will not be small if we eject from the episcopate those who blamelessly and holily have offered its Sacrifices." ~ St Clement of Rome around 70 A.D.
gtepp031387 1 week ago
@bornagainsaint1 "Consider how contrary to the mind of God are the heterodox in regard to the grace of God which has come to us. They have no regard for charity, none for the widow, the orphan, the oppressed... They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they do not admit that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, the flesh which suffered for our sins and which the Father, in His graciousness, raised from the dead." ~ St Ignatius around 100 A.D.
gtepp031387 1 week ago
@bornagainsaint1 "Come together in common, one and all without exception in charity, in one faith and in one Jesus Christ, who is of the race of David according to the flesh, the son of man, and the Son of God, so that with undivided mind you may obey the bishop and the priests, and break one Bread which is the medicine of immortality and the antidote against death, enabling us to live forever in Jesus Christ." ~ St Ignatius
gtepp031387 1 week ago
@bornagainsaint1 "I have no taste for the food that perishes nor for the pleasures of this life. I want the Bread of God which is the Flesh of Christ, who was the seed of David; and for drink I desire His Blood which is love that cannot be destroyed." ~ St Ignatius
gtepp031387 1 week ago
@bornagainsaint1 "Do not err, my brethren: if anyone follow a schismatic, he will not inherit the Kingdom of God. If any man walk about with strange doctrine, he cannot lie down with the passion. Take care, then, to use one Eucharist, so that whatever you do, you do according to God: for there is one Flesh of our Lord Jesus Christ, and one cup in the union of His Blood; one altar, as there is one bishop with the presbytery and my fellow servants, the deacons." ~ St Ignatius
gtepp031387 1 week ago
@bornagainsaint1 "For we do not receive these things(the body and blood of the eucharist) as common bread or common drink; but as Jesus Christ our Savior being incarnate by God's Word took flesh and blood for our salvation, so also we have been taught that the food consecrated by the Word of prayer which comes from him, from which our flesh and blood are nourished by transformation, is the flesh and blood of that incarnate Jesus." ~ St Justin Martyr 150 A.D.
gtepp031387 1 week ago 3
@bornagainsaint1 " the mixed cup and the manufactured bread receive the Word of God and become the Eucharist, that is to say, the Blood and Body of Christ, which fortify and build up the substance of our flesh...[Christ] has declared the cup, a part of creation, to be his own Blood, from which he causes our blood to flow; and the bread, a part of creation, he has established as his own Body, from which he gives increase to our bodies." ~ St Irenaeus 180 A.D.
gtepp031387 1 week ago
@gtepp031387. what really saves us from hell - His blood sacrifice or the catholic doctrine of transubstantiation?
bornagainsaint1 2 weeks ago
@bornagainsaint1 What saves us from hell, is the grace of GOD. Grace is given through baptism of death, life, and ressurection, gained by the sacrifice of Christ, which gives faith and hope and LOVE, but not in such a way as to remove our free will. As we remain in the grace of GOD(which ability is given by the grace of GOD again not in such a way to remove our free will) we recieve "grace for grace", untill we reach "salvation through sanctification".
gtepp031387 1 week ago
@bornagainsaint1John 6:54, 56, 57, 58 - He uses an even more literal verb, translated as "trogo," which means to gnaw or chew or crunch. He increases the literalness and drives his message home. Jesus will literally give us His flesh and blood to eat. The word “trogo” is only used two other times in the New Testament (in Matt. 24:38 and John 13:18) and it always means to literally gnaw or chew meat.
gtepp031387 2 weeks ago
@gtepp031387, it's not the point of giving us His literal body and blood to eat or gnaw on, but to give His body and blood as a perfect blood sacrifice for the sins of the world. this is what His supper pictures - His body and blood being given for the sins of the world.
bornagainsaint1 2 weeks ago
@bornagainsaint1 "it's not the point of giving us His literal body and blood to eat or gnaw on" Actually it is, as it the holy word that orders these things to be dun. The eucharist is the most essential part of the mass, where we recieve the LORD body soul and divinity.
gtepp031387 1 week ago
@bornagainsaint1 John 6:55 - to clarify further, Jesus says "For My Flesh is food indeed, and My Blood is drink indeed." This phrase can only be understood as being responsive to those who do not believe that Jesus' flesh is food indeed, and His blood is drink indeed.
gtepp031387 2 weeks ago
@bornagainsaint1 John 6:55 - further, the phrases "real" food and "real" drink use the word "alethes." "Alethes" means "really" or "truly," and would only be used if there were doubts concerning the reality of Jesus' flesh and blood as being food and drink. Thus, Jesus is emphasizing the miracle of His body and blood being actual food and drink.
gtepp031387 2 weeks ago
@bornagainsaint1 Jesus makes it completely clear that he was being litteral about the eucharist, why even his most beloeved diciples walked away and followed him no more becaues they refused to believe that they must litterally eat his flesh and drink his blood, if they just misunderstood Jesus would not have the LORD corrected them as he did whenever there was a misunderstanding?
gtepp031387 2 weeks ago
@gtepp031387. if transubstantiation is as real and literal as Jesus says it is, then we are committing cannabolism from the heart, not to mention sexual perversion, bcuz the RCC wants us to believe that Jesus had told us to take John chp 6 literal. the Holy Spirit gives us the faith to believe in His blood sacrifice, the Holy Spirit brings us close to Jesus, there is no need to commit cannabolism from the heart just to get Him into our bodies and into our lives.
bornagainsaint1 2 weeks ago
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@bornagainsaint1 "he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh judgment to himself, not discerning the body of the Lord.Therefore are there many inform and weak among you, and many sleep." 1Cor 11:29-30
gtepp031387 2 weeks ago
@bornagainsaint1 Tell me how does a symbolic thing bring judgement and sickness on one self?. "For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh judgment to himself, not discerning the body of the Lord.Therefore are there many inform and weak among you, and many sleep." 1Cor 11:29-30
gtepp031387 2 weeks ago