The problem is getting the Mac that will render in somewhat decent times. Problem is just not enough power without blowing another $2,000 on hardware that will be replaceable in a year. Software, however, lasts longer and are updated for free.
FCP STUDIO! blows, premier pro and avid out the water, premier pro and avid are both two expensive especially avid, i don't care if movies studios use avid, i'm an independent filmmaker not a billionaire.
@TheMrDisser such nosense, like Apple would pay the editors of 300, no country for old man and x-men, for example, just to use their tools. Studios with that kind of budgets choose the tool they want, and they want FCP and Avid. If you want to claim that they are "paid for it", prove it by linking a statement from one of these studios.
@mrgsudo FCP is quickly becoming a joke. Hell, any editor worth their weight in jump cuts knows that AVID is still the best tool for the job. It remains virtually unmatched, especially with the ease of netowrking within render farms. FCP and PREMIER PRO are more on the same level, but even there FCP falls behind. It has not ability to utilize the power of a decnet graphics card (unlike P.Pro, which DOES) and effectively is nothing more than a slow version of CS5.
Most large movies today are done on AVID farms. Hell, my editing class just spoke with a former WCW producer (who currently produces for some BET talk show) and even he said that FCP was NOT built for real movie making. It simply lacks the proper hardware and connectable setup that AVID has, or the raw power that CS5 is capable of tapping. I promise you, any big movie made in the past 5-10 years was done on an AVID machine.
is not the program …..a great editor can kill it with any program same as a good golfer can kill it with any clubs. Stop arguing over nothing. Go hone your chops instead!!!
I've heard otherwise, several industry pros told me Premiere is trying to push its product to gain market share but its not accepted for whatever reason.
@TheMrDisser You should at least read wikipedia or something. I work there, you stupid! Avid is dead. Especially all TV production is on FinalCut. But there is no big difference between the two though. X-men, brun after reading, no country for old men, 300, are all edited on final cut.
The final answer is that all programs needed are used. If editor wants avid and final cut and... he gets it. They might use vue for backgrounds like on the last terminator, zbrush for models, maya animation
I was trained in FCP, and it is a good software, but remember that it already had it's following before being acquired by Apple, and therefore not entirely a result of Apple programming. Premiere is a very viable alternative if you don't want to buy a mac just for FCP.
I've been using premiere pro for the past 3-4 years. I just learned that FCP is industry standard for television production though. I love the layout of premiere pro but I guess I'll have to switch over if I want to make a name for myself. Ironic that After Effects is mostly used alongside FCP lol.
I would get Final Cut Pro but i have the whole CS4 collection with a pc.. to switch to a good mac would be around 2000 plus photoshop,aftereffects and a couple other cs4 programs would be around 5 grand.. I can get a new PC with aintel i7 3.4ghz quad core processor 1 TB HD 8 Gb Ram for 1000 and keep all my good programs.. moral of the story macs are overpriced , windows FTW
The only thing i'm missing in FCS is a 'send to after effects' command... that would be so great! I don't like premiere, but i love the workflow between Premiere and After Effects.
Lol, guys everyone should know that team that makes FC was the team the team that made Premiere, they splitted years ago, ones stayed at adobe and others went to apple.
I got to state one thing. I'm so fucking tired of you pathetic little newbie kids coming out of school coming into MY industry thinking you're "real editors" by using these "lameass" editing tools!
Both Final Crap Pro & Premiere really can not face the POWER of AVID NITRIS! THERE"S NOT FUCKING HOW!
But on the other side, you HAVE TO LEARN Final Cut. There's no way around this system, it's gotten way to trendy! It's like the old raggydy ass whoe that won't go away! You gotta give her dick!
if you are a video editor and make your living out of it, you would know that depending on the job that you are assigned you decide which one to use. You often need to use FCP along with Adobe Premiere or other adobe applications.
"Ask anyone in the business and they will tell you Adobe's Media Encoder SUCKS. Its final output quality of H264 etc is HORRIBLE. Adobes encoding algorithms SUCKS so bad compared to Apple "
you're WRONG,who the hell "in the business" told you that?Adobe uses mainconcept to encode H.264 and it's superior to Apple H.264 ,seriously,apple's H.264 encoder is pretty darn bad.
Premiere Pro and After Effects can edit the Red One native R3D codec. Soundbooth and Audition can do everything SoundTrack Pro 3 can do. Last but not least FCP ripped off the Adobe GUI.
I usuggest you folk click on my name and watch my videos.
Applesoldier is not going to post my video response.
FCP ripped of Adobe Premiere's GUI with the new tabs feature. Actualy Cool Edit Pro had that ype of GUI first and Adobe implemented the GUI of Cool Edit Pro into all their products.
There was nothing impressive in this video due to the simple fact the Adobe Masater Collection can do all this and more.
I suggest you folks watch the video tutorials at Adobe TV.
Adobe master collection do more> LOL your a fucking NOOB! were si your pro level grading suite? And dont you dare say premiere and AE cause your a noob for sure. Creative suite is 1700 and fcs is 999. Why pay 1700 if it only does what fCS does. Flash? Illustrator? is there a send to command in premiere to send sequences to flash or illustrator? Your a complete LIAR. Creative suite cant do what fcs does it has no pro color grading. Dont say colorista or magic bullet, if you do i know your a noob
lol you think this is all the videos? since your on a pc you should be able to go capture those movie adn post like i did or is it just to hard using a pc? lol. whats your answer? 1700 vs 999. and all you can say is adobe suite does the same things? LOL YEA FOR DOUBLE THE PRICEL WITH NO PRO COLOR GRADING or export. Adobe encoding algorithms are made fun of around the edit industry. Adobe encoding algorithms are horrible, lol. nothing like compressor. dont worry, i have both and ill proove it.
you can say what you want adobe. FCS is a standard almost and it didnt get that way for nothing. Premiere is cross platform and it still cant compete with FCS. Why is that? Because people know good products married to good values. FCS is the best, you cant deny it no matter how much you like premiere.
@AppleSoldier fcs sucks compared to cs5 master collection. why does it suck? it is non-cross platform. try using final cut on a windows computer. now try master collection on windows and mac.
@bishopdante not for actual editing but for intros and titles and graphics in the video. when i said flash i meant using flash to make graphics to put into your videos. i did not mean for importing your video and changing it and exporting it.
@gospelplayer2 Well because cs5 is the latest addition then its only natural to talk about cs5 now. FCP might of had it over PPro CS4 but now that CS5 is here, FCP is lacking now in comparison. FCP is PPros bitch now lol. I know some production house's that turning to PPro CS5 now, and as a user of both I prefer PPro now. It just seems so much easier!
@gospelplayer2 Well because cs5 is the latest addition then its only natural to talk about cs5 now. FCP might of had it over PPro CS4 but now that CS5 is here, FCP is lacking now in comparison. FCP is PPros bitch now lol. I know some production house's that are turning to PPro CS5 now, and as a user of both I prefer PPro now. It just seems so much easier!
Both of these products were much more pro before apple "mass marketed" them. That's truth. Particularly when you look at Shake.
Also, all of these products used to be available for other platforms, apple's strategy is to shut off the supply of top-end Windows software to force professionals onto the mac.
Hey ho, I was there in the beginning, and I've used mac all along. Just sayin', it's not based on virtue.
FCS for 999 offers way to much to pass. If you never used color than you have no idea. No one understand the gravity of COLOR and COMPRESSOR. Compressor is an "EPISODE" quality encoder. It sounds like you just dont understand. You say your a pro yet you say you use adobe algorithms to export final quality. Ask any professional encoder and they will laugh at Adobe h264 etc algorithms. For web, adobe wins. For film, FCS wins. premiere is not half as well integrated with its other apps as FCS is.
@adobePC Oh actually, I believe Adobe is ripping off Final Cut. And Adobe Masters collection costs 2000 dollars more. I have it, and it's good, but I rather use FC.
Actually, the Master Collection (if you don't torrent it) can run as low as 1,000 with a student discount.
Still, I would like to know how you think Adobe is ripping off FCP? Are you purely talking about newer editing and GUI features, or are you referring to the amped up Dynamic Link (which I simply LOVE)?
@AndrewDeLong I was just thinking that Adobe seems to be looking and acting a lot like the Final Cut suite. Such as, now you can almost take any adobe format to any adobe program (integration) and they are starting to organize themselves like Final Cut. However, I'll still say they both have unique qualities.
Well Integration, though I personally wouldn't call it ripping off exactly, is a natural step forward. If FCP did it first, so be it. But as you said, each has its own qualities. Hell, I'm still trying to figure out that script thing adobe has (the one where the lines of a written script can somehow be integrated with the acting...or something like that). That and the After Effects stuff (thanks be to Andrew Kramer). Honestly, I couldn't imagine using anything BUT Adobe.
@AndrewDeLong True. Integration is always a step. However, FCS has more direct integration while Adobe really just has self compatibility. So yeah, I'm not mad about that, but I would be mad if they decided to try to copy exactly how FCS did it. Nice talkin with ya.
Oh yeah, and adobe are the worst when it comes to creeping featuritis and ignoring the needs of professionals over those of casual users. Just look at all the new features in Photoshop. I know some features that I'd like as a pro, but that's not where Adobe are going
what was the point of this Eric....any1 who knows shit about video editing knows that Final Cut Studio is the best and only option to go with....
and if you disagree, then you haters need a software reality check....just face that facts, SOME THINGS ON A MAC ARE AND ALWAYS WILL BE BETTER THEN WIN-BLOWS
lol, of course you would. Indie films makers are making the hollywood movies dude. What they use will carry over. AVID is going away. all students and indies use fcp and that means they will be moving into the hollywood scene. Avid is history in 10 years. sorry.
indy film makers today means hollywood film makers of tomorrow. Same as students. And if indies and students use FCS than they will carry that with them into there professional life. They stick to what they know and with AVID being 2200 and premiere being 800 students have no choice but to buy FCS for 999, it offers to much for that price.
If I gave you a list of hollywood movies FCS was used on it wouldnt fit on the page. AVID is bigger in hollywood but that is changing fast. When your talking about AVID being bigger you also realize these "editing suite" from avid can run $100,000. lol, in 15 years when all modern students graduate and some indy film makers make the big time in Hollywood, they will all be using FCP. It offers everything everyone else offers at a fraction of the price.
I'm not saying Final Cut Studio is bad, but Avid is simply used more in major films at this time. I'm not bashing on FCS, it's simply a fact for now. It may very well change in the future, yes.
Yeah mate I'm not an idiot but the iMac he was using was NOT the Core i7 and I wasn't asking a question. I was making a statement. Also, the i7's don't ship until Nov. So Why even reply to my comment? Idiot.
This suite is intended for professional use, such as use with commercials, tv shows, movies, etc. Unless you plan to make the next hit movie, I don't think this suite is for you... yet.
dont forget that theirs companies going around charging ppl for the company youre stealing from. im for torrents too but i use them for movies that or copy right free like fall of the republic and watching things on vuze hd.
im not condemning what youre doing but just saying to be careful. ok, hope you enjoy your free software lol.
Burning music to a cd and giving it to your friend is theft too. Sharing software should be a right but big companies just want to squeeze every penny out of it's customers.
You can share what belongs to you. You do not own software or music, you own the license to listen to or use it. If you don't like it, be a more careful shopper, use free and open source software, and listen to music released under Creative Commons. Not my fault you can't read.
You know damn well what I meant, don't play semantics.
Torrenting itself isn't illegal, but using torrents to share copyrighted material certainly is. And if I recall, that's what I was previously discussing.
DRM only exists because people are thieves to begin with. If you don't like it, listen to music released under Creative Commons and use freeware and open source software. Stealing's a crime no matter who it's from.
We use AE, Premiere, and FC. However, because AE has excellent integration with Cinema 4D, we use AE for all of our comp work. Sometimes we dont even need FC or Pr to edit. We just encode right out of AE.
AE has a huge, vast array of 3rd party plugins, which gives it a big advantage. Some trapcode, redgiant, and revisionfx plugins, and ive got a great arsenal that does the same thing as the FC suite.
no way you have plug in that do what Color does. Magic bullet etc. is not COLOR. trust me. Neither is any other plug in. And FCP has A HUGE 3rd party plug in base. And motion uses the same plugin architecture as AE. FXplug. FCP has MORE plugins than premiere. to say not is NOOBISH. your talking non sense. Red Giant etc has mac too. If you didnt use CInema4d than premiere is useless. If you export final quality from AE, your no pro. AE encoding algorithms are a joke.
Nowhere did I say that Premiere has more plugins than FCP. Way to go on putting words in my mouth.
Again, your changing the subject. I said nothing about integration between C4D and Premiere. I said AE has excellent integration with C4D, and the occasional Maya files we deal with.
Again, I never said we export "final quality". I said sometimes we encode right out of AE for the client.. as in previz and pitches.
How about you learn something before criticizing others who work in the industry.
They just got this in one of the studios in college. The suite is even on iMacs in the library so students can work on their stuff in their free time. A few computers also have shake. The college itself used to be AVID only in the media department, however when the new FCS came out they switched. Some computers have after effects too. I think they have all the bases covered.
You could try it, but you might want to go for Final Cut Express instead, it can do a lot of the things you'll probably want to do, but it wont have Color, Sountrack etc. But Final Cut Express is only $199
Yeah, it's great for those who want to have professional looking videos without the price tag. I use FCS mainly because of Motion, and The few differences between FCE and FCP can come in useful (particularly three-way color correction and exporting with compressor).
I think you should compare AVID and FCPconsidering those are really the two main editing suites used for tv/radio/film. I know you've sent me a msg about market share but you have to remember that just because Apple users are buying FCP doesn't mean all professionals are. I'll give you FCP becoming more popular than any other editing suite but AVID is like PC (I hate PC love Macs) it has been the main app out there so it will take a while to weed them out if that's even possible
AVID is struggling now. Only older guys who grew up with it use it, when they retire all new comers will be want FCP. AVID is history in another 10 years. AVID has absolutely no market share hardly. And as far as hollywood goes thats changing to. you cant compare avid when you get nothing more than FCS but pay twice as much. Its a joke. FCS market share is over 50% so YES it does mean pc users are buying it switching from pc. over 50% of ALL PROFESSIONALS,Mac and pc, have switched to FCS.
I agree that AVID is going to be nothing but a thought in 10 years but that's still 10 years. Personally I don't like AVID but that's what we was available at the time. I haven't had the chance to really sit down with FCP but the principles are the same the interface is what is different. I think FCP is great in the sense that it helps people who don't know much about editing get comfortable with it and expanding their knowledge. I'm not knocking FCP. More bang for the buck w/o a doubt
I wouldn't argue the best unless you're willing to shell out that cash for all the extra suites and modules. One thing I've learned is that the editor is still 90% of the battle
Premiere is not the only one pirated, you can have pirated Mac OS X, and FCS, so it's not exclusive to PC only. If you wanna go that way and use pirated software you have plenty of options. Think before you write f*****g dumbass GaySoldier
you cant pirate FCS. IF you do it will be a hacked up version cause the Suite is over 60GB!! youll never downlaod all that and good luck finding a full 60gb download via torrent. if you download fcs you wont get ANY of the content or presets etc. i almost guarantee it.
Don't know what you're talking about, FCP and Premiere have such a similar workflows, compared to Avid for example (which is totally different). Adobe integration is veery tight, and with the Adobe Production Premium suite you get Premiere, Photoshop, Encore, After Effects, Soundbooth... Not to mention either you use FCP or Premiere you need Photoshop so you need Adobe anyway. Personally I have used Premiere, FCP and now I'm editing on Avid so I know how to use all of the programs.
PRODUCTION PREMIUM IS 1700 DOLLARS!!!!LOL. And Flash dont integrate with premiere nor does illustrator.Your talking out your ass. There is no "send to" flash command from premiere I edit video AND I NEVER USE PS at work. PS is for photos, SHAKE/NUKE is for video. PS can work with video now but it aint very good yet
LOL, you used all three huh? AVID is 2200 bucks and premiere stand alone is 900 while FCS is 999. Yea, I believe you have edited on all them to the point you can tell me about them. Tell me how to render in AVID. Tell me how to render in COLOR. Keyboard shortcuts and all. If you used them you should know. I believe I need a hole in the head like i believe you know enough about all 3 to say anything. Your a premiere fanboy cause YOU PIRATE IT, fucking thief..
Hm, is that a way you talk to your subscribers? I saw you're not the smartest one, but you exceed my expectations this time. Yeah I have used all three, Premiere in high school, FCP and Avid at work. Also I'm apple user right now (I have used windows in the past, and I know how to use both). For any serious motion fx work PS is a must. FCP keyboard shortcuts suck (I love apple too, but they suck big time). Rendering in Avid is piece of cake, but apparently too much for your tiny brain.
Most people on YouTube are going to have pirated CS4, the only actual sales Adobe makes is from actual companies, not these individuals on YouTube.
Pointing it out doesn't really mean much. They know they're a pirate, I know they're a pirate, you know they're a pirate. You're just pointing out the obvious.
Premiere, Industry standard, LOL. FCP has over 50% of the market. LOL. Thats like saying Photoshop and Pixelmator are industry standards, lol. PS maybe but not Pixelmator. accept it, for 999 THERE IS NO CHOICE!!
Well, if having 50% of the market makes FCP industry standard, I suppose having 90% of the market makes Windows industry standard too. Why should anyone switch?
windows got the market by using a monopoly. INSTALLING WINDOWS ON ALL NEW PC's. Thats the equal of Apple giving away FCS for PC and mac on all new pc's and then claiming they are the best because of market share. FCS got its market share BY HAVING A GOOD PRODUCT. Premiere and AVID was already here before FCS. FCS came in late and stole customers the fair way. by making a good product, not being licensing whores like MS.
Uhh, Microsoft didn't "give away" Windows on all new PCs. It licensed it, because there was no, like, actual competition as far as operating systems/environments went?
Apple restricted theirs to their own computer. Microsoft didn't. They beat everyone else to the punch on that, and they got the most market share because of it.
Don't blame Apple's shortcomings on Microsoft's successes.
And FCS doesn't take users from Avid, it just gets new users who haven't used either, for the most part.
FCS has no market share. The only people who use FCS are Disney and Universal.
If Apple was making such good software that was worth the money, you'd think they'd have more market share at this point. Microsoft made good, inexpensive, and easy-to-use software and that's why Macs have less than 9% of the home computer market.
Apple's dominance on the premium computer market may not be a gain. With more and more Windows users migrating to netbooks, Apple's is getting a larger piece of a market that isn't gonna grow.
The problem is getting the Mac that will render in somewhat decent times. Problem is just not enough power without blowing another $2,000 on hardware that will be replaceable in a year. Software, however, lasts longer and are updated for free.
mshartz5 1 month ago
How do you get that RED raw fine tuning control, or whatever you called it? I only have the Basic and advanced tabs
Arhtass 5 months ago
and in the end, Autodesk Smoke is better than all if you want to spend 17000 dollars
72dew 6 months ago
Well, that's the end of that debate with the FCP X. Mac doesn't make pro software anymore
StudioGoldsmith 7 months ago
What's wrong with Windows Movie Maker?
schwartzericc 8 months ago
@TheMrDisser
the simpsons movie used FCP, search wiki and google. 8 core mac pro with fcs!
skaterchevy 9 months ago
FCP STUDIO! blows, premier pro and avid out the water, premier pro and avid are both two expensive especially avid, i don't care if movies studios use avid, i'm an independent filmmaker not a billionaire.
skaterchevy 9 months ago
@TheMrDisser such nosense, like Apple would pay the editors of 300, no country for old man and x-men, for example, just to use their tools. Studios with that kind of budgets choose the tool they want, and they want FCP and Avid. If you want to claim that they are "paid for it", prove it by linking a statement from one of these studios.
mrgsudo 11 months ago
@mrgsudo FCP is quickly becoming a joke. Hell, any editor worth their weight in jump cuts knows that AVID is still the best tool for the job. It remains virtually unmatched, especially with the ease of netowrking within render farms. FCP and PREMIER PRO are more on the same level, but even there FCP falls behind. It has not ability to utilize the power of a decnet graphics card (unlike P.Pro, which DOES) and effectively is nothing more than a slow version of CS5.
AndrewDeLong 9 months ago
continued:
Most large movies today are done on AVID farms. Hell, my editing class just spoke with a former WCW producer (who currently produces for some BET talk show) and even he said that FCP was NOT built for real movie making. It simply lacks the proper hardware and connectable setup that AVID has, or the raw power that CS5 is capable of tapping. I promise you, any big movie made in the past 5-10 years was done on an AVID machine.
AndrewDeLong 9 months ago
Theres nothing Color does that AE cant do.
xixtretamil 11 months ago
@TheMrDisser I don't know who you are, or where you work, but you are full of shit.
particlelight 11 months ago 2
is not the program …..a great editor can kill it with any program same as a good golfer can kill it with any clubs. Stop arguing over nothing. Go hone your chops instead!!!
pipcork 11 months ago
@TheMrDisser
I've heard otherwise, several industry pros told me Premiere is trying to push its product to gain market share but its not accepted for whatever reason.
TheRaveClinic 1 year ago
@TheMrDisser You basically quoted me.
JohnWelsch 1 year ago
@TheMrDisser You should at least read wikipedia or something. I work there, you stupid! Avid is dead. Especially all TV production is on FinalCut. But there is no big difference between the two though. X-men, brun after reading, no country for old men, 300, are all edited on final cut.
The final answer is that all programs needed are used. If editor wants avid and final cut and... he gets it. They might use vue for backgrounds like on the last terminator, zbrush for models, maya animation
JohnWelsch 1 year ago
I was trained in FCP, and it is a good software, but remember that it already had it's following before being acquired by Apple, and therefore not entirely a result of Apple programming. Premiere is a very viable alternative if you don't want to buy a mac just for FCP.
ImperialArmour 1 year ago
I've been using premiere pro for the past 3-4 years. I just learned that FCP is industry standard for television production though. I love the layout of premiere pro but I guess I'll have to switch over if I want to make a name for myself. Ironic that After Effects is mostly used alongside FCP lol.
TheRaveClinic 1 year ago
Why was the ( RATINGS ) disabled?
jasonn9000 1 year ago
I really want Final Cut but I also have all the adobe stuff
GodsS0N1 1 year ago
I would get Final Cut Pro but i have the whole CS4 collection with a pc.. to switch to a good mac would be around 2000 plus photoshop,aftereffects and a couple other cs4 programs would be around 5 grand.. I can get a new PC with aintel i7 3.4ghz quad core processor 1 TB HD 8 Gb Ram for 1000 and keep all my good programs.. moral of the story macs are overpriced , windows FTW
NelkFilmz 1 year ago
The only thing i'm missing in FCS is a 'send to after effects' command... that would be so great! I don't like premiere, but i love the workflow between Premiere and After Effects.
SimonKlovning 1 year ago
Lol, guys everyone should know that team that makes FC was the team the team that made Premiere, they splitted years ago, ones stayed at adobe and others went to apple.
teknoplayer 1 year ago
final cut is better
i use premier though don't have mac,
ShooterCinema 1 year ago
Blah blah...
Skywalker875 1 year ago
I got to state one thing. I'm so fucking tired of you pathetic little newbie kids coming out of school coming into MY industry thinking you're "real editors" by using these "lameass" editing tools!
Both Final Crap Pro & Premiere really can not face the POWER of AVID NITRIS! THERE"S NOT FUCKING HOW!
But on the other side, you HAVE TO LEARN Final Cut. There's no way around this system, it's gotten way to trendy! It's like the old raggydy ass whoe that won't go away! You gotta give her dick!
LittleNegrillio 1 year ago
Does FCS have a program like Flash CS5
dannyleeg 1 year ago
It depends what you have a better workflow with...
FNGMonster 1 year ago
I am a Premiere user but the only thing that compares to FCP is Avid
felttoaster 1 year ago
Going over to final cut since premiere doesn't want to work anymore (lag lag lag and lag)
waterboy418 1 year ago
if you are a video editor and make your living out of it, you would know that depending on the job that you are assigned you decide which one to use. You often need to use FCP along with Adobe Premiere or other adobe applications.
MrEklipze 1 year ago
The soundtrack pro sound editor sucks, the sound isn't synced at all...
galw9 1 year ago
call me old fasion but i prefer to use after effects for color correction and color effects
DRdDray 1 year ago
"FINAL CUT PRO" no questions!
lovefaithhopeabraham 1 year ago
After using FCE APP and FCP, none of them made a better video. That was still left up to me.
David63190 1 year ago
"Ask anyone in the business and they will tell you Adobe's Media Encoder SUCKS. Its final output quality of H264 etc is HORRIBLE. Adobes encoding algorithms SUCKS so bad compared to Apple "
you're WRONG,who the hell "in the business" told you that?Adobe uses mainconcept to encode H.264 and it's superior to Apple H.264 ,seriously,apple's H.264 encoder is pretty darn bad.
totoumisback 2 years ago 2
so Final Cut Pro is the best?
ThalinJr 2 years ago
I wish I had a Mac just for Final Cut...
Tekkenfreek234 2 years ago 12
@Tekkenfreek234 Trust me Adobe Premiere pro is better and i have an iMac
WTFlagnobb 3 months ago
Colour doesnt work. period
markyj1 2 years ago
Macs suck
PC 4 Life
gruntlover2 2 years ago
@gruntlover2 wrong.
lukewfilms 1 year ago
I want Final Cut Studio soooo bad but I don't have $1000 and 42 gigs.
Rcracer867 2 years ago
gosh these geek fucks. final cut rulez but shitters that have an attitude like u....shit fucks.
junkerde 2 years ago
why not just use a good camera?
Z4CHC 2 years ago 2
most of the hollywood films are avid and final cut edited. Thats what he meant probably.
What do you mean by using a good camera? Any footage must be color corrected, if you want it to look good.
Premiere is good though
JohnWelsch 2 years ago 14
Premiere Pro and After Effects can edit the Red One native R3D codec. Soundbooth and Audition can do everything SoundTrack Pro 3 can do. Last but not least FCP ripped off the Adobe GUI.
I usuggest you folk click on my name and watch my videos.
Applesoldier is not going to post my video response.
adobePC 2 years ago 2
Applesoldier,
I hope you let my video response get posted so everyone can see what an idiot you are.
Keep in mind you bring the ownage onto yourself.
adobePC 2 years ago
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KentuckyFriedGunman 2 years ago
Wheres Part 2.
MacBookGuy91 2 years ago
fck all you torrent haters you can suck my !!!
chaksa 2 years ago
A 14 year old kid, I highly doubt has the full use for FCS. Leave it to the professionals kid.
AUSmactec 2 years ago
FCP ripped of Adobe Premiere's GUI with the new tabs feature. Actualy Cool Edit Pro had that ype of GUI first and Adobe implemented the GUI of Cool Edit Pro into all their products.
There was nothing impressive in this video due to the simple fact the Adobe Masater Collection can do all this and more.
I suggest you folks watch the video tutorials at Adobe TV.
adobePC 2 years ago 15
Adobe master collection do more> LOL your a fucking NOOB! were si your pro level grading suite? And dont you dare say premiere and AE cause your a noob for sure. Creative suite is 1700 and fcs is 999. Why pay 1700 if it only does what fCS does. Flash? Illustrator? is there a send to command in premiere to send sequences to flash or illustrator? Your a complete LIAR. Creative suite cant do what fcs does it has no pro color grading. Dont say colorista or magic bullet, if you do i know your a noob
AppleSoldier 2 years ago
lol you think this is all the videos? since your on a pc you should be able to go capture those movie adn post like i did or is it just to hard using a pc? lol. whats your answer? 1700 vs 999. and all you can say is adobe suite does the same things? LOL YEA FOR DOUBLE THE PRICEL WITH NO PRO COLOR GRADING or export. Adobe encoding algorithms are made fun of around the edit industry. Adobe encoding algorithms are horrible, lol. nothing like compressor. dont worry, i have both and ill proove it.
AppleSoldier 2 years ago
you can say what you want adobe. FCS is a standard almost and it didnt get that way for nothing. Premiere is cross platform and it still cant compete with FCS. Why is that? Because people know good products married to good values. FCS is the best, you cant deny it no matter how much you like premiere.
AppleSoldier 2 years ago
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AndrewDeLong 1 year ago
@AppleSoldier fcs sucks compared to cs5 master collection. why does it suck? it is non-cross platform. try using final cut on a windows computer. now try master collection on windows and mac.
0987654321284 1 year ago
@0987654321284 whos talking about cs5 master collection -_-
gospelplayer2 1 year ago
@gospelplayer2 photoshop, onlocation, after effects, premire pro, and flash can all be used to edit videos.
0987654321284 1 year ago
@0987654321284
Are you crazy? Flash for video editing?
bishopdante 1 year ago
@bishopdante not for actual editing but for intros and titles and graphics in the video. when i said flash i meant using flash to make graphics to put into your videos. i did not mean for importing your video and changing it and exporting it.
0987654321284 1 year ago
@gospelplayer2 Well because cs5 is the latest addition then its only natural to talk about cs5 now. FCP might of had it over PPro CS4 but now that CS5 is here, FCP is lacking now in comparison. FCP is PPros bitch now lol. I know some production house's that turning to PPro CS5 now, and as a user of both I prefer PPro now. It just seems so much easier!
ktayor1 1 year ago
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@gospelplayer2 Well because cs5 is the latest addition then its only natural to talk about cs5 now. FCP might of had it over PPro CS4 but now that CS5 is here, FCP is lacking now in comparison. FCP is PPros bitch now lol. I know some production house's that are turning to PPro CS5 now, and as a user of both I prefer PPro now. It just seems so much easier!
ktayor1 1 year ago
@AppleSoldier
FCP wasn't made by apple in the beginning.
Nor was Logic.
Both of these products were much more pro before apple "mass marketed" them. That's truth. Particularly when you look at Shake.
Also, all of these products used to be available for other platforms, apple's strategy is to shut off the supply of top-end Windows software to force professionals onto the mac.
Hey ho, I was there in the beginning, and I've used mac all along. Just sayin', it's not based on virtue.
bishopdante 1 year ago
@bishopdante Yep, Mac bought FCP as a "hobby..." See what happens...
LittleNegrillio 1 year ago
@AppleSoldier Mommy, AVID IS THE BEST. Not Final Crap Pro or Premiere!
LittleNegrillio 1 year ago
@AppleSoldier Except when you have to drop $1000 to get a Mac + the cost of FCS
ThisOnesForReal 1 year ago
@ThisOnesForReal I think you mean $2000
bp56789 1 year ago
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FCS for 999 offers way to much to pass. If you never used color than you have no idea. No one understand the gravity of COLOR and COMPRESSOR. Compressor is an "EPISODE" quality encoder. It sounds like you just dont understand. You say your a pro yet you say you use adobe algorithms to export final quality. Ask any professional encoder and they will laugh at Adobe h264 etc algorithms. For web, adobe wins. For film, FCS wins. premiere is not half as well integrated with its other apps as FCS is.
AppleSoldier 2 years ago
Applesoldier your an idiot and I'll prove it.
There was nothing impressive in this video at all. Get a clue.
adobePC 2 years ago 3
you got owned dude
macuserspwn 2 years ago
Just like the rest of the Mactards, you fail at spelling.
KentuckyFriedGunman 2 years ago
@AppleSoldier hi im new to like video editing. currently learning sony vegas.
what do u think is better. final cut or avid? im thinkin of gettin a new comp n stuff and i wanna know which software to go for :)
snowjoker93 1 year ago
@adobePC Oh actually, I believe Adobe is ripping off Final Cut. And Adobe Masters collection costs 2000 dollars more. I have it, and it's good, but I rather use FC.
Rifalltoo 1 year ago
@Rifalltoo
Actually, the Master Collection (if you don't torrent it) can run as low as 1,000 with a student discount.
Still, I would like to know how you think Adobe is ripping off FCP? Are you purely talking about newer editing and GUI features, or are you referring to the amped up Dynamic Link (which I simply LOVE)?
AndrewDeLong 1 year ago
@AndrewDeLong I was just thinking that Adobe seems to be looking and acting a lot like the Final Cut suite. Such as, now you can almost take any adobe format to any adobe program (integration) and they are starting to organize themselves like Final Cut. However, I'll still say they both have unique qualities.
Rifalltoo 1 year ago
@Rifalltoo
Well Integration, though I personally wouldn't call it ripping off exactly, is a natural step forward. If FCP did it first, so be it. But as you said, each has its own qualities. Hell, I'm still trying to figure out that script thing adobe has (the one where the lines of a written script can somehow be integrated with the acting...or something like that). That and the After Effects stuff (thanks be to Andrew Kramer). Honestly, I couldn't imagine using anything BUT Adobe.
AndrewDeLong 1 year ago
@AndrewDeLong True. Integration is always a step. However, FCS has more direct integration while Adobe really just has self compatibility. So yeah, I'm not mad about that, but I would be mad if they decided to try to copy exactly how FCS did it. Nice talkin with ya.
Rifalltoo 1 year ago
@adobePC
Oh yeah, and adobe are the worst when it comes to creeping featuritis and ignoring the needs of professionals over those of casual users. Just look at all the new features in Photoshop. I know some features that I'd like as a pro, but that's not where Adobe are going
bishopdante 1 year ago
what was the point of this Eric....any1 who knows shit about video editing knows that Final Cut Studio is the best and only option to go with....
and if you disagree, then you haters need a software reality check....just face that facts, SOME THINGS ON A MAC ARE AND ALWAYS WILL BE BETTER THEN WIN-BLOWS
y35n00b5 2 years ago
Reality check, Avid is the best option.
manjyoumethunder 2 years ago
hahahahahahah....
hold on wait..
hahahahahahhahahahaha....
ok im finished....no wait im not....
hahahahahahhahaha....GTFO manjyoumethunder...i think you need a reality check
y35n00b5 2 years ago
Final Cut Pro is used by amateurs, Avid is used by the big guys. Deny it all you want, you know it to be true.
manjyoumethunder 2 years ago
well indie filmaker also use fcp , and some tv shows also use it
PhotoshopStars 2 years ago
I would personally exclude Indie Filmmakers from "the big guys", but that's just me.
manjyoumethunder 2 years ago
lol, of course you would. Indie films makers are making the hollywood movies dude. What they use will carry over. AVID is going away. all students and indies use fcp and that means they will be moving into the hollywood scene. Avid is history in 10 years. sorry.
AppleSoldier 2 years ago
indy film makers today means hollywood film makers of tomorrow. Same as students. And if indies and students use FCS than they will carry that with them into there professional life. They stick to what they know and with AVID being 2200 and premiere being 800 students have no choice but to buy FCS for 999, it offers to much for that price.
AppleSoldier 2 years ago
lolol, walter munich an amateur? Is the BBC amateurs? Is FOX amateurs? Your a fucking idiot. Premiere is used by amateurs.
AppleSoldier 2 years ago
If I gave you a list of hollywood movies FCS was used on it wouldnt fit on the page. AVID is bigger in hollywood but that is changing fast. When your talking about AVID being bigger you also realize these "editing suite" from avid can run $100,000. lol, in 15 years when all modern students graduate and some indy film makers make the big time in Hollywood, they will all be using FCP. It offers everything everyone else offers at a fraction of the price.
AppleSoldier 2 years ago
I'm not saying Final Cut Studio is bad, but Avid is simply used more in major films at this time. I'm not bashing on FCS, it's simply a fact for now. It may very well change in the future, yes.
manjyoumethunder 2 years ago
@y35n00b5
If it was, you'd think they'd have half the market share Microsoft has.
Get a life and stop trolling.
KentuckyFriedGunman 2 years ago
the only troll here is you....
y35n00b5 2 years ago
lol the guy was doing this on an imac. right lol.
AUSmactec 2 years ago
it's not like imacs don't have adequate processing power to do this
thebsdguy 2 years ago
The new Imac (2.8 Quad Core) is better than the basic quad core Mac Pro , the imac is now a suitable alternative for professionals .
PhotoshopStars 2 years ago
Yeah mate I'm not an idiot but the iMac he was using was NOT the Core i7 and I wasn't asking a question. I was making a statement. Also, the i7's don't ship until Nov. So Why even reply to my comment? Idiot.
AUSmactec 2 years ago
Is this available for PC?
jobrien2001 2 years ago
FCS is not available on windows. .
MrKeebz 2 years ago
.... And better software is.
KentuckyFriedGunman 2 years ago
I must admit, FCS is pretty much the only reason I own a Mac.
90punk09 2 years ago
This suite is intended for professional use, such as use with commercials, tv shows, movies, etc. Unless you plan to make the next hit movie, I don't think this suite is for you... yet.
BThe23 2 years ago
imma big time editor, premiere blows balls. i used it for 2 years, and when i finally made the switch to fcs, i almost cried i was so happy.
truuvp 2 years ago
dont forget that theirs companies going around charging ppl for the company youre stealing from. im for torrents too but i use them for movies that or copy right free like fall of the republic and watching things on vuze hd.
im not condemning what youre doing but just saying to be careful. ok, hope you enjoy your free software lol.
redspade04 2 years ago
Torrenting is THEFT. :|
manjyoumethunder 2 years ago 2
Burning music to a cd and giving it to your friend is theft too. Sharing software should be a right but big companies just want to squeeze every penny out of it's customers.
SourceZombie 2 years ago
Sharing software should not be a right, it's a product like any other, and if someone else wants to use it, they should buy their own copy.
Sharing music is just as bad.
manjyoumethunder 2 years ago
why you want to control society??freedom!! I can share what ever i want even my woman!!
chaksa 2 years ago
You can share what belongs to you. You do not own software or music, you own the license to listen to or use it. If you don't like it, be a more careful shopper, use free and open source software, and listen to music released under Creative Commons. Not my fault you can't read.
manjyoumethunder 2 years ago
you are a pussy
chaksa 2 years ago
You are a thief. I am a future software developer. Piss off.
manjyoumethunder 2 years ago
first you are a ignorant torrent is not a crime 21 ignorant kid
chaksa 2 years ago
You know damn well what I meant, don't play semantics.
Torrenting itself isn't illegal, but using torrents to share copyrighted material certainly is. And if I recall, that's what I was previously discussing.
manjyoumethunder 2 years ago
Quit whining. DRM ruins everything.
KentuckyFriedGunman 2 years ago
DRM only exists because people are thieves to begin with. If you don't like it, listen to music released under Creative Commons and use freeware and open source software. Stealing's a crime no matter who it's from.
manjyoumethunder 2 years ago
DRM ruins everything. People still know how to crack it hours after new DRM software is introduced. It's pointless.
KentuckyFriedGunman 2 years ago
It's pointless, but do you honestly think a company or individual isn't going to try to protect their intellectual property?
manjyoumethunder 2 years ago
I know. It gets annoying when I can't copy or backup a game because of DRM.
KentuckyFriedGunman 2 years ago
How can you afford a computer? Internet access? Anything else?
Also, if you can't afford anything, find a free option.
manjyoumethunder 2 years ago
Adobe = Standard
Adobe = Better
JamesManes 2 years ago 7
So spend $100 and get an introductory version of Vegas or Premiere Elements?
manjyoumethunder 2 years ago
fuck you people work work hard on this shit so but it fucker
muk546 2 years ago 2
interesting
Omellykim 2 years ago
6:32 is that gay shaving his legs?!? 0.o
what are they trying to say with that?
xoANONiMUSox 2 years ago
final cut studio is the best
lsaccoz 2 years ago
thats pretty sweet, kinda like photo editing
macward66 2 years ago
for photo editing id go PS all the way. Im just talking video editing.
AppleSoldier 2 years ago
We use AE, Premiere, and FC. However, because AE has excellent integration with Cinema 4D, we use AE for all of our comp work. Sometimes we dont even need FC or Pr to edit. We just encode right out of AE.
AE has a huge, vast array of 3rd party plugins, which gives it a big advantage. Some trapcode, redgiant, and revisionfx plugins, and ive got a great arsenal that does the same thing as the FC suite.
ShepperdOneill 2 years ago
no way you have plug in that do what Color does. Magic bullet etc. is not COLOR. trust me. Neither is any other plug in. And FCP has A HUGE 3rd party plug in base. And motion uses the same plugin architecture as AE. FXplug. FCP has MORE plugins than premiere. to say not is NOOBISH. your talking non sense. Red Giant etc has mac too. If you didnt use CInema4d than premiere is useless. If you export final quality from AE, your no pro. AE encoding algorithms are a joke.
AppleSoldier 2 years ago
Nowhere did I say that Premiere has more plugins than FCP. Way to go on putting words in my mouth.
Again, your changing the subject. I said nothing about integration between C4D and Premiere. I said AE has excellent integration with C4D, and the occasional Maya files we deal with.
Again, I never said we export "final quality". I said sometimes we encode right out of AE for the client.. as in previz and pitches.
How about you learn something before criticizing others who work in the industry.
ShepperdOneill 2 years ago
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And all of our color correction, time remapping, layering, 2D tracking, particles, etc is done in AE.
No need to do it in an editor, when AE does it just fine with the collection of plugins we have.
ShepperdOneill 2 years ago
So true.
SourceZombie 2 years ago
Give an example.
SourceZombie 2 years ago
They just got this in one of the studios in college. The suite is even on iMacs in the library so students can work on their stuff in their free time. A few computers also have shake. The college itself used to be AVID only in the media department, however when the new FCS came out they switched. Some computers have after effects too. I think they have all the bases covered.
MrKeebz 2 years ago
would you suggest final cut pro to an amateur?
AlexsTechChannel 2 years ago
You could try it, but you might want to go for Final Cut Express instead, it can do a lot of the things you'll probably want to do, but it wont have Color, Sountrack etc. But Final Cut Express is only $199
Punkdoggy800 2 years ago
go with final cut express. it is a lot cheaper and is pretty much just the editor without the additional apps
danonabouncycastle 2 years ago
Yeah, it's great for those who want to have professional looking videos without the price tag. I use FCS mainly because of Motion, and The few differences between FCE and FCP can come in useful (particularly three-way color correction and exporting with compressor).
StreetDevilz 2 years ago
I think you should compare AVID and FCPconsidering those are really the two main editing suites used for tv/radio/film. I know you've sent me a msg about market share but you have to remember that just because Apple users are buying FCP doesn't mean all professionals are. I'll give you FCP becoming more popular than any other editing suite but AVID is like PC (I hate PC love Macs) it has been the main app out there so it will take a while to weed them out if that's even possible
MrTheaterMan 2 years ago
AVID is struggling now. Only older guys who grew up with it use it, when they retire all new comers will be want FCP. AVID is history in another 10 years. AVID has absolutely no market share hardly. And as far as hollywood goes thats changing to. you cant compare avid when you get nothing more than FCS but pay twice as much. Its a joke. FCS market share is over 50% so YES it does mean pc users are buying it switching from pc. over 50% of ALL PROFESSIONALS,Mac and pc, have switched to FCS.
AppleSoldier 2 years ago
I agree that AVID is going to be nothing but a thought in 10 years but that's still 10 years. Personally I don't like AVID but that's what we was available at the time. I haven't had the chance to really sit down with FCP but the principles are the same the interface is what is different. I think FCP is great in the sense that it helps people who don't know much about editing get comfortable with it and expanding their knowledge. I'm not knocking FCP. More bang for the buck w/o a doubt
MrTheaterMan 2 years ago
i mean no offense. AVID is a great editor. Some argue the best.
AppleSoldier 2 years ago
I wouldn't argue the best unless you're willing to shell out that cash for all the extra suites and modules. One thing I've learned is that the editor is still 90% of the battle
MrTheaterMan 2 years ago
Premiere is not the only one pirated, you can have pirated Mac OS X, and FCS, so it's not exclusive to PC only. If you wanna go that way and use pirated software you have plenty of options. Think before you write f*****g dumbass GaySoldier
donmarconi86 2 years ago
you cant pirate FCS. IF you do it will be a hacked up version cause the Suite is over 60GB!! youll never downlaod all that and good luck finding a full 60gb download via torrent. if you download fcs you wont get ANY of the content or presets etc. i almost guarantee it.
AppleSoldier 2 years ago
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donmarconi86 2 years ago
"This has been a function of a hugely expanding professional editing marketplace rather than a large reduction in installed Avid users."
Avid isn't losing users, Final Cut is just gaining them. Nobody's switching, just new people are buying something different.
Mostly amateur groups, who should buy Final Cut Pro. It's cheaper, and it gets the job done. Avid is expensive.
Why buy something more expensive to do the same thing? Or is that the same reason to buy a Mac over a PC?
manjyoumethunder 2 years ago
CARE
b00nsmoviesss 2 years ago
Don't know what you're talking about, FCP and Premiere have such a similar workflows, compared to Avid for example (which is totally different). Adobe integration is veery tight, and with the Adobe Production Premium suite you get Premiere, Photoshop, Encore, After Effects, Soundbooth... Not to mention either you use FCP or Premiere you need Photoshop so you need Adobe anyway. Personally I have used Premiere, FCP and now I'm editing on Avid so I know how to use all of the programs.
donmarconi86 2 years ago
PRODUCTION PREMIUM IS 1700 DOLLARS!!!!LOL. And Flash dont integrate with premiere nor does illustrator.Your talking out your ass. There is no "send to" flash command from premiere I edit video AND I NEVER USE PS at work. PS is for photos, SHAKE/NUKE is for video. PS can work with video now but it aint very good yet
AppleSoldier 2 years ago
A Mac Pro with a single quad-core processor is 2500 DOLLARS!!! LOL.
manjyoumethunder 2 years ago
an imac with a quad and 27" display is just 1999!!! LOL
You obviously dont have a clue what a mac pro is
AppleSoldier 2 years ago
LOL, you used all three huh? AVID is 2200 bucks and premiere stand alone is 900 while FCS is 999. Yea, I believe you have edited on all them to the point you can tell me about them. Tell me how to render in AVID. Tell me how to render in COLOR. Keyboard shortcuts and all. If you used them you should know. I believe I need a hole in the head like i believe you know enough about all 3 to say anything. Your a premiere fanboy cause YOU PIRATE IT, fucking thief..
AppleSoldier 2 years ago
Hm, is that a way you talk to your subscribers? I saw you're not the smartest one, but you exceed my expectations this time. Yeah I have used all three, Premiere in high school, FCP and Avid at work. Also I'm apple user right now (I have used windows in the past, and I know how to use both). For any serious motion fx work PS is a must. FCP keyboard shortcuts suck (I love apple too, but they suck big time). Rendering in Avid is piece of cake, but apparently too much for your tiny brain.
donmarconi86 2 years ago
Most people on YouTube are going to have pirated CS4, the only actual sales Adobe makes is from actual companies, not these individuals on YouTube.
Pointing it out doesn't really mean much. They know they're a pirate, I know they're a pirate, you know they're a pirate. You're just pointing out the obvious.
manjyoumethunder 2 years ago
lol, yes your right about this.
AppleSoldier 2 years ago
Final Cut Studio is an industry standard professional tool. Enough Said!
Jay1967 2 years ago
FYI FCP and Premiere are both industry standard professional video editing suites. Along with suites from Grass Valley and Avid,
mukatuna 2 years ago
Premiere, Industry standard, LOL. FCP has over 50% of the market. LOL. Thats like saying Photoshop and Pixelmator are industry standards, lol. PS maybe but not Pixelmator. accept it, for 999 THERE IS NO CHOICE!!
AppleSoldier 2 years ago
Well, if having 50% of the market makes FCP industry standard, I suppose having 90% of the market makes Windows industry standard too. Why should anyone switch?
manjyoumethunder 2 years ago
windows got the market by using a monopoly. INSTALLING WINDOWS ON ALL NEW PC's. Thats the equal of Apple giving away FCS for PC and mac on all new pc's and then claiming they are the best because of market share. FCS got its market share BY HAVING A GOOD PRODUCT. Premiere and AVID was already here before FCS. FCS came in late and stole customers the fair way. by making a good product, not being licensing whores like MS.
AppleSoldier 2 years ago
Uhh, Microsoft didn't "give away" Windows on all new PCs. It licensed it, because there was no, like, actual competition as far as operating systems/environments went?
Apple restricted theirs to their own computer. Microsoft didn't. They beat everyone else to the punch on that, and they got the most market share because of it.
Don't blame Apple's shortcomings on Microsoft's successes.
And FCS doesn't take users from Avid, it just gets new users who haven't used either, for the most part.
manjyoumethunder 2 years ago
FCS has no market share. The only people who use FCS are Disney and Universal.
If Apple was making such good software that was worth the money, you'd think they'd have more market share at this point. Microsoft made good, inexpensive, and easy-to-use software and that's why Macs have less than 9% of the home computer market.
KentuckyFriedGunman 2 years ago
Most home computers use windows because its cheap, and that is y most home computers r PCs.
most ppl that want a good computer that costs 1200 dollars or more buy a mac.
Meta221 2 years ago
Or maybe it's a good OS and people buy it and Macs are overpriced aluminum turds.
KentuckyFriedGunman 2 years ago
fact: Apple's share of expensive computers (over 1000$) is 90%. most big companies in the US use apple computers.
Meta221 2 years ago
Wrong. They're 5th behind HP, Sony, Toshiba, and Alienware.
KentuckyFriedGunman 2 years ago 4
You have no source. As far as I know, you got those facts from the voices in your head.
KentuckyFriedGunman 2 years ago
"most big companies in the US use apple computers"
So most workstations and servers used by the enterprise are from Apple??? Not a chance.
TheWMhater 2 years ago 4
Apple's dominance on the premium computer market may not be a gain. With more and more Windows users migrating to netbooks, Apple's is getting a larger piece of a market that isn't gonna grow.
TheWMhater 2 years ago