Battle of Pharsalus (Part 2/3)

[sebbekung123]

2:40

I honestly really like these documentaries, but if you want to be taken seriously BBC, hahah dont talk about Julius Caesars tits -.-

[69bumbaclat]

pompey and ceasar wer not friends, ceasar just married his daughter to pompey for political reasons, when his daughter died and he was strong enough to take on pompey, thats when he decided to challenge pompey and the senate.

[westonj42]

There are some serious generalized brushstrokes in this video to the point of inaccuracies. The author is forgoing an enormous amount of crucial information. The only thing worth watching or listening to is the actual military tactics used in the battle.

[Strategos300]

WHY do people forget the battle of Dyracchium?? It was Pompeys victory, and it forced Ceasr to make one of his biggest gambles: to march deeper into Greece.

[purefatdude2]

this is obviously different from rome total war

[chinbitch]

@purefatdude2 no its far similar  to rome total war

[sunfireThu]

Actually Pompey's army consisted largely of recent recruits rather than veterans. But the majority of Julius Caesar's army were veterans who had experience at Gaul. Not to mention Pompey abandoned his own army in the middle of the battle and fled, having a big impact on his soldiers.

[suchetti555]

Pompey's soldiers are the rebel colors in rome total war LOL

[TalonMercenary]

"control the whole Roman empire"

1. it was still a Republic at this time

2. Pompey was fighting to preserve the senate and the duumvirs

this programme is riddled with errors

[Rico8458]

copy that.  fascinating history

[nuubez]

wats the computer specs needed to play with so much men??

[Rico8458]

caesar was a traitor of rome?

[Innogarrett]

@Rico8458 no he betrayed the senate not rome he in fact faught for rome

[Achilles9091]

@Innogarrett actually he didn't exactly do that



[carde028]

@Rico8458 he was declared an enemy of the state by the senate. It was a civil war between to guys, Pompey fighting to keep old style rome alive, and Caesar whose angle was more beneficial to the everyday man, hence the popular support

[ajb7876]

This is crap,where`s the explanation about Caesar`s 4th line?which was not standard Roman doctrine and was something he devised on the day and that allowed him to neutralise the vastly larger Pompean cavalry and let his outnumbered but more experianced infantry win him the battle.

[callawaygolf100]

Pompey not Pompeii

[nutopiran]

I it just me or is some of this video missing?

[CalloftheWarrior1]

I dislike how they insist on calling the Republic an "Empire" years before it actually became one.

Even Julius Caesar cannot be called an "Emperor", he styled himself Consul for life until he was killed, and did not actually rule Rome for that long, the first actual "Emperor" was Octavianus Augustus, Caesar's adopted son.

Also, I agree with spinynorman230, this was not about who'd "Rule" Rome, this was just the Senate against a usurper, albeit a famous one. :P

[rangerbobcat]

@CalloftheWarrior1 Great Britain established the bulk of her empire after 1688 when Parliment gained its supremacy over the monarch by inviting in William

of Orange. You do not have to have an Emperor in order to have an Empire. The vast extent of Rome from Judea all the way to Spain and Gaul really did make it an Empire.

[spinynorman230]

The battle did NOT determine who would lead Rome. Pompeii was forced by the senate to betray his friend, Caesar, and fight to preserve the senate by declaring war on Caesar. If Pompeii won, then the senate would be preserved, but the people would rebel if the senate told Pompeii to kill Caesar. And Caesar would do the same.

[showfire100]

@spinynorman230 i think they are trying to make it sound interesting

[spinynorman230]

@showfire100 That does not exucuse wrong information.

[carde028]

@spinynorman230

dont give people the whats for and know how if you cant even get it right yourself. I think you'll find Pompeii was a city covered by an eruption. Maybe you mean Pompey?

Maybe you should do a little more research than watching 'Rome'

kthanksbye

[spinynorman230]

@carde028 um, no, they were spelled exactly the same, that's why the idiot narrator guy is mispronouncing it.

[carde028]

@spinynorman230

do yourself a favour and go and open up a copy of Caesars book on the Civil Wars. And hes not an idiot, hes being told to say it like that by the director, who is the real idiot

[berotti1]

@spinynorman230 Pompeii was a town that got volcano'd. Pompey was the general. And although they had ties of amicitia with each other, the populares nature they shared meant that these were very fickle and meant that they were power hungry.

Pompey would not really let the senate tell him to do anything. This is a bit innacurate in the fact that he too had an army of veterans who would support him; the senate had very little power when the two strongest armies of Rome were hostile to them.

[spinynorman230]

@berotti1 They were spelled the same. The point is- they confuse facts very easily, so it's best not to trust everything they say.

[XxC0ldH3artxX]

@spinynorman230 LOL some historian you are! Pompeii is a Roman town which was covered by an erupting volcano, POMPEY was the Roman general, you dumbass!

[spinynorman230]

@XxC0ldH3artxX ...Dude, they're spelled the same, they are pronounced differently. That's my only point.

[XxC0ldH3artxX]

@spinynorman230 It was actually Brutus who was forced to betray Caesar, Pompey and Caesar were enemies from the start. But Pompey did have something to do with the senate; they sponsored him.

[spinynorman230]

@XxC0ldH3artxX It was both. The Senate was fucking pissed at Caesar because the Senate would lose all it's power. Once Pompeii failed, well, they sent in the assassins.

[XxC0ldH3artxX]

@spinynorman230 No, Pompey did not betray Caesar, they were rivals from the start. Somebody can't betray you if he already is your enemy.

[purefatdude2]

@spinynorman230 WTf friends? really? hell no they were enemies what are you talking about and 11 people thumb up wtf

[TheRugbyfullback]

@spinynorman230 first he wasnt a city -pompey not pompeii thats under volcanic ash- and he was made dictator of rome,in which one man rules for one year and laws are nothing to that person, although they respected each other caesar had broken the law when he crossed the rubicon with his army, so whoever won this battle WOULD lead rome

[HankQuinIan]

Do you disagree with anything I have said? I notice neither you nor anyone else has commented on what I have said(other than to point out that 3 anonymous people on the internet gave my comment a 'thumbs down'[whatever that is supposed to be]'.

[HankQuinIan]

also Dodge; 'Caesar's array in line of battle did not differ as greatly from Hannibal's phalanx in the later battles of this war[the Civil War ed.], as it did from the legion of Marcellus or Nero'

also on the army Caesar inherrited from Marius; ' The legions were not now divided into simple Roman and allied...cavalry was raised...mostly from foreign elements...anyone physically qualified could bear arms'

These were revolutionary armies filled with mercenaries and arrayed in phalangial fashion.

[HankQuinIan]

The legion formations in this video are so inaccurate. See Theodore Dodge on Caesar's legion; 'The Legion descendened to Caesar in a new shape, one that Marcellus and Nero and Scipio would not have recognised.'

and:

'Caesar's legion more nearly approached that of the "simple phalanx" of the Greeks than that of the splendid body of burgess-soldiers, whose stanch front to disaster makes the Second Punic War so memorable a page in the annals of Roman courage and intelligence.'

[Oldcartoons571]

Is that why you have a -3

[Bierreisender]

There's a jump here that's a little confusing--from Pompeii forming battle order on the plain to the battle already under way. Hmm.

[nekwa2]

My limit is 6.000 men on the battlefield. : /

[LachyHanzo]

not in the late republic

[Suppressingfire]

i wish i could play it with all those men, covering almost the whole field....

[sfak5]

I live in Pharsalus-Pharsala. The history of this town is huge. It's the birth place of Achilles, Polydamas and Voukefalas. The town is full of ancient ruins, a huge Acropolis and an tomb 6000 years old.

[dpsantos1994]

seems to be a good town ;)

i hope i go to greece someday :D

[HaNsWiDjAjA]

Ugh, never mind, I see now the legionnaires are wearing chain mail in this video, I thought they were lorica segmentata.

[HaNsWiDjAjA]

And yet again, the History Channel people used the wrong type of legionnairres...

[EmperorArmand]

what kind of legions did caesar use?

[HaNsWiDjAjA]

I thought that the Romans in the video was depicted wearing the lorica segmentata (banded armor), which was historically inaccurate in this time period. Bu then I noticed they were all in mail armor, although their helmets and shield was still off.

[ColombianxXxNB]

not the helmets an shields

[HaNsWiDjAjA]

The legionnaires of this time period would have slightly oval scutum shield, not the square ones depicted. And their helmets were the simpler Montefortino, not the Gallic ones shown here.

[ColombianxXxNB]

dat was during da middle republic not after marians reform

[McBinary]

he was first defeated at dyracchium which made pharsalus even more make or break for Caesar

[shinchan123450]

1:45 - 1:47: "mike, back row, new guy.

[32silvercoins]

HAHA, Nice job noticing that. :D

[GajusJuliusCezaris]

???wat?

[deligthelf]

Ceaser didn't defeat anyone in Italy, there was no armies to fight him there.

[arjanvanhoorn]

He conquerd Spain hardly with any fights, just tactical manouvers, the man is a genius

[xScorpioN12x]

Wonderfull