Young Earth vs Old Earth Debate (2/10), Ken Ham & Jason Lisle vs Hugh Ross & Walter Kaiser

[tazuredee]

I really have to wonder if people think that the bible can only be understood by people of great ideals and not normal people. Gen 1:5 "... And the evening and the morning were the first day." In modern language this is a day. Making the sun and moon and stars for our solar system or our universe or whatever just regulated the days for us on earth so I see no contradiction with the same day word of 'yom'. Gen 1:14-15 says it already. It was made for Earth. I believe that God set 'time' firstly!

[Law19157]

If the pastors I know are right about the light in the beginning, (it being God's light) then how far would his light be able to reach before its consumed by darkness?...isn't there reason to think that his light could encompass the whole earth instead of portion like the sun does?

[AndyG792]

Ex 20:9-11 assumes it is understood that all 7 days are equal length. Otherwise, we should work billions of years to cover the first three days and then work three 24 hr. days to cover days 4,5, and 6. Then we should rest for 24 hrs to cover the day of rest. Then we start all over and work billions of years again to cover the first three days, etc. I would feel cheated only resting for one 24 hr. day for all those billions of years I'm working. ... I need a vacation!!!

[skrillz78]

One more thing since I ran out off comment space.If the earth were billions of years old because of the text and day 4 was a 24 hour period then the sea and land creatures as well as man were created in the literal days. So those would not be billions of years old. We're still left with a young life on earth. Thus no macro evolution. also It gives Adam, the first mans, age in years so the sabbath was more than likely a literal day. God is not still resting as he made animal skins for the two.

[skrillz78]

If we compare scripture with scripture then Exodus 20:11 should be the proof text of 6 literal days.

[7BroncoBoy]

@skrillz78 Ex 20:9-11 "Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God. In it you shall do no work...For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it."

Are you trying say the Israelites couldn't have worked 6 billion years, then rested for a billion?

[theladyj49]

@Verysincere The Idea of a Young Earth is not new or even young as it is the theology that the Jewish people have always subscribed to. In truth, the theory of Evolution or Big Bang are the new or recent ideas. And as BoncoBoy pointed out, the Jewish calendar is now Tishrei 28 5772, and they have been keeping a calendar since their beginning. And the argument has been made that all written language originated with the Hebrew Pictographs that are the basis of all written language.

[verysincere]

I'm not a fan of the host but I empathize with his frustration as Ken Ham ignores the arguments & babbles repeatedly about his preference for a relatively recent brand of Christian theology popularized by American Young Earth Creationists. (He even ignores the actual linguistic meaning of "literal".) Indeed, he seemed to misunderstand Kaiser's point about the problem of applying a 24-hour YOM to the first three YOM of Creation when people like Ham believe that the sun didn't exist until Day #4.

[7BroncoBoy]

@verysincere You'll have to prove the general position of Christians throughout history is not young earth. According to the Jewish calendar, we are in the year 5771.

The sun doesnt matter. We still had light, as well as day & night for the 1st 3 days, w/ no reason to xpect the earth rotated @ a different rt.

Do u actually think the earth had billions of yrs of plants & animals b4 the sun xisted? Of course bible says they weren't made til later, & u'd have prob gettin em in fossil record

[mRUSSIA]

@verysincere So the first three days could have been millions or billions of years and then starting with day four they mean regular days. That is basically saying the Lord changed the horse in midstream because the grammar and usage is the same for all of Genesis 1. Even when I was 12 years old and not yet a Christian I read Genesis 1 as normal days. If they aren't normal days then I wouldn't be able to be confident that I was accurately interpreting any part of scripture as I was reading it.

[kapzy7]

not gonna lie. I'm sick of the moderator cutting off Ken Ham over and over and over and over again.

[AMikeOnLine]

Ken Ham owned the the objectors. Great vid. Not very often you see Dr Hugh Ross lost for words. This kinda stuff should be tought in schools. Kids today are not as daft as we were. Now they have the net and access to the REAL world and not fairy stories told by evil mothers and fathers..

[Pilgrim1411]

Ken Ham is right.

[klohitman]

7th day no evening and morning because God rested, HE did not need any additional days to create anything GOD is at rest. If you say the day of rest ended then people would assume that God is not resting at this point.

[JOOGAL1111]

ken ham is a idiot, he,s your hero LOL the charlatan zealot nutbag once said "any scientific evidence that contradicts scripture must be wrong" and this is the man people go to for answers.

[MrDjwithers]

Ken is right, they can't say why they're not 3 24 hour days because they believe that it was longer -_-

[Stinukli]

@MrDjwithers I guess by your same criteria you will say that you can't say they're 24-hour days just because you think they are?

[sinclaircj]

ken ham is one of my heros but i feel like this host is biased against him

[whitechocolate220]

i knew ken would win

[corradoshrek]

@whitechocolate220 Ken Ham is harmful