I am an atheist but there is one feasible way that the after life can exist, its to take on the probable fact that consciousness isn't real. There needs to be a paradigm shift in thinking, peoples first assumption in any scenario would be I am real. Nevertheless I don't think consciousness is literally real. I think its merely a by-product of the brain. So if consciousness is not real it cant be created nor destroyed so the idea of afterlife is then possible because it requires no leap of faith.
@deanmullen10: Philosophically, I'm of the belief that the only thing I can know for sure is that I'm real. Hypothetically if consciousness were a by-product of the brain, as the materialists would argue, then it would be something, not nothing, and therefore could be created or destroyed. From where do you get the belief that consciousness isn't 'real'? The fact that we still don't have a materialist explanation for consciousness does not mean it is not 'real'.
@AnduinX Well there is no evidence to say that consciousness is part of the group which contains information, matter and energy. well okay I wouldn't say its not real but its more like an illusion in my opinion, consciousness is a form of biological software. for e.g. this web page appears to be a single solid website yet nevertheless all you are observing is various colours produces by a lot of pixels.
So maybe not real is not the right statement but rather not literal or an illusion.
@deanmullen10: I have heard of this view, that consciousness is the combined processes of the brain, but everybody who has voiced such a view to me also believed that when the brain ceases to function so does consciousness. I guess that's why I'm a bit confused by your stance, if you believe consciousness to be an illusionary byproduct of the brain, then how do you believe it persists when the brain no longer functions? That is what you're saying I'm assuming? As you spoke of an 'afterlife'.
@AnduinX Well that's just the basics like its to show that its feasible. Like if it shows to be possible and even if you can't think of a theory that works immediately its work looking into. One theory I have is that if there is boundaries beyond space-time then perhaps certain places, time and objects within that space-time can in some sense repeat since space-time may end in a more higher sense then what we consider ending. Or maybe an exact copy of my brain re-produces my consciousness.
@deanmullen10: Even though I disagree that consciousness is a physical construct, I'm pleasantly surprised, you're view is much less nihilistic and depressing than that of most materialists. It reminds me of a thought experiment I had a while ago. Given that all of the matter that composes the brain is replaced every so many years naturally, if somebody were to surgically remove your brain and replace it with an *exact* duplicate, what would wake up on the operating table?
@deanmullen10: Hypothetically if consciousness arose from the physical I think that you should not only wake up, but you would have a sense of continuity. The swapping of brains could be viewed simply as an accelerated version of what happens to us every few years when the matter in our brains is replaced. The fact that the composition of the brain changes proves that it doesn’t make a difference what matter composes our brains.
@deanmullen10: Also, there is a quantum mechanism that could conceivably give rise to a brain of identical structure to your own called quantum vacuum fluctuations. Normally particles created during these fluctuations are eliminated immediately, but this does not always happen. A brain popping out of nowhere would be ridiculously improbable, but given a timeframe of infinity, it would certainly happen. Again and again.
@AnduinX yep one theory that suits this perfectly is M-theory, its the idea there is an infinite number of universes so if that's true all possibilities will occur in a fraction of all universes and of course it will occur again and again. Though there is a paradox cause in one universe there'd be two exact copies of me and they could interact and would clearly be two separate individuals. then again perhaps universal space-time means nothing to my perception of my individual experiences.
I do not think that the mind can be reduced to the brain. In order to take the physicalist position one must ignore a great deal of subjective evidence from near death experiences, out of body experiences, past life regression, etc - as well as a great deal of scientific findings that directly conflict with physicalism, such as terminal lucidity and severe hydrocephalus.
@AnduinX Telepathy, remote viewing, psychokinesis, genuine mediumship and deathbed visions are other phenomena that contradict the materialist position. I have to find out what severe hydrocephalus is.
@cosmicman01: Sorry for the late reply. Check out John Lorber's work, it was published in the peer reviewed journal the lancet. Severe hydrocephalus is basically fluid filling up the skull. In the most severe cases of hydrocephalus sufferers can be left with a miniscule fraction of the brain mass of a normal person - and yet, even in the most severe cases there are people with above average IQs and seemingly no mental deficits. Not what materialism would expect.
Its kind of disappointing to see all these brilliant minds somehow lost in the "science" that they so look forward to explain all of this. If they really wish to find an explanation for the meaning or how it functions the so called "Soul" they first have to find the true nature of the Universe, and it is apparent to me that the only true "Nature" of the Universe is the "Luminiferous Aether". There are scientific ways to prove the Aether (extended Michelson-Morley experiment by Martin Grusenic).
There probably is some form of after life but humans are too pressumitive of how the world works, we probably are in a giant illusion and even to ask a question is invalid on the overall scale, and the after life will emerge but not in a logical sense as we would imagine it, I guess on this scale of understanding the two statements: there is life after death & there is no after life are both valid and both incorrect, that's how differ from what is real our world is and we must open our minds up)
Truthful, Honest, Love, Bliss, etc. etc. are liked by all and are attributes of Consciousness. Similarly when Consciousness states in such states, the physical body remains healthy, it works perfectly. The distortions in conscious states brings diseases in body. Consciousness and Body made for each other. Science in that sense is the creation of Consciousness.Science depends on relative measures one measure will not work for other. Tools to understand consciousness are physical but commonality .
The Soul is the radiation from the Brain that is Eternal and enters another Human body immediately after death. The Soul is seen as a multi-colored Living Rainbow surrounding the body, by some Psychics, who have trained those senses to see beyond the five senses that we are normally born with. I have seen this during my 40-day fast in 1970. Love, Armand L. Archambeault
The Soul is the radiation from the Brain that is Eternal and enters another Human body immediately after death. The Soul is seen as a multi-colored Living Rainbow surrounding the body, by some Psychics, who have trained those senses to see beyond the five senses that we are normally born with. I have seen this during my 40-day fast in 1970. Love, Armand L. Archambeault
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brgordon38 1 month ago
a room full of interesting people.
Gtrplyr1 2 months ago
I am an atheist but there is one feasible way that the after life can exist, its to take on the probable fact that consciousness isn't real. There needs to be a paradigm shift in thinking, peoples first assumption in any scenario would be I am real. Nevertheless I don't think consciousness is literally real. I think its merely a by-product of the brain. So if consciousness is not real it cant be created nor destroyed so the idea of afterlife is then possible because it requires no leap of faith.
deanmullen10 4 months ago
@deanmullen10: Philosophically, I'm of the belief that the only thing I can know for sure is that I'm real. Hypothetically if consciousness were a by-product of the brain, as the materialists would argue, then it would be something, not nothing, and therefore could be created or destroyed. From where do you get the belief that consciousness isn't 'real'? The fact that we still don't have a materialist explanation for consciousness does not mean it is not 'real'.
AnduinX 4 months ago
@AnduinX Well there is no evidence to say that consciousness is part of the group which contains information, matter and energy. well okay I wouldn't say its not real but its more like an illusion in my opinion, consciousness is a form of biological software. for e.g. this web page appears to be a single solid website yet nevertheless all you are observing is various colours produces by a lot of pixels.
So maybe not real is not the right statement but rather not literal or an illusion.
deanmullen10 4 months ago
@deanmullen10: I have heard of this view, that consciousness is the combined processes of the brain, but everybody who has voiced such a view to me also believed that when the brain ceases to function so does consciousness. I guess that's why I'm a bit confused by your stance, if you believe consciousness to be an illusionary byproduct of the brain, then how do you believe it persists when the brain no longer functions? That is what you're saying I'm assuming? As you spoke of an 'afterlife'.
AnduinX 4 months ago
@AnduinX Well that's just the basics like its to show that its feasible. Like if it shows to be possible and even if you can't think of a theory that works immediately its work looking into. One theory I have is that if there is boundaries beyond space-time then perhaps certain places, time and objects within that space-time can in some sense repeat since space-time may end in a more higher sense then what we consider ending. Or maybe an exact copy of my brain re-produces my consciousness.
deanmullen10 4 months ago
@deanmullen10: Even though I disagree that consciousness is a physical construct, I'm pleasantly surprised, you're view is much less nihilistic and depressing than that of most materialists. It reminds me of a thought experiment I had a while ago. Given that all of the matter that composes the brain is replaced every so many years naturally, if somebody were to surgically remove your brain and replace it with an *exact* duplicate, what would wake up on the operating table?
AnduinX 4 months ago
@deanmullen10: Hypothetically if consciousness arose from the physical I think that you should not only wake up, but you would have a sense of continuity. The swapping of brains could be viewed simply as an accelerated version of what happens to us every few years when the matter in our brains is replaced. The fact that the composition of the brain changes proves that it doesn’t make a difference what matter composes our brains.
AnduinX 4 months ago
@deanmullen10: Also, there is a quantum mechanism that could conceivably give rise to a brain of identical structure to your own called quantum vacuum fluctuations. Normally particles created during these fluctuations are eliminated immediately, but this does not always happen. A brain popping out of nowhere would be ridiculously improbable, but given a timeframe of infinity, it would certainly happen. Again and again.
AnduinX 4 months ago
@AnduinX yep one theory that suits this perfectly is M-theory, its the idea there is an infinite number of universes so if that's true all possibilities will occur in a fraction of all universes and of course it will occur again and again. Though there is a paradox cause in one universe there'd be two exact copies of me and they could interact and would clearly be two separate individuals. then again perhaps universal space-time means nothing to my perception of my individual experiences.
deanmullen10 4 months ago
I do not think that the mind can be reduced to the brain. In order to take the physicalist position one must ignore a great deal of subjective evidence from near death experiences, out of body experiences, past life regression, etc - as well as a great deal of scientific findings that directly conflict with physicalism, such as terminal lucidity and severe hydrocephalus.
AnduinX 4 months ago
@AnduinX Telepathy, remote viewing, psychokinesis, genuine mediumship and deathbed visions are other phenomena that contradict the materialist position. I have to find out what severe hydrocephalus is.
cosmicman01 4 months ago
@cosmicman01: Sorry for the late reply. Check out John Lorber's work, it was published in the peer reviewed journal the lancet. Severe hydrocephalus is basically fluid filling up the skull. In the most severe cases of hydrocephalus sufferers can be left with a miniscule fraction of the brain mass of a normal person - and yet, even in the most severe cases there are people with above average IQs and seemingly no mental deficits. Not what materialism would expect.
AnduinX 4 months ago
The soul is a lazy explanation of the universe most amazing creation, the brain.
andenandenia 4 months ago
Its kind of disappointing to see all these brilliant minds somehow lost in the "science" that they so look forward to explain all of this. If they really wish to find an explanation for the meaning or how it functions the so called "Soul" they first have to find the true nature of the Universe, and it is apparent to me that the only true "Nature" of the Universe is the "Luminiferous Aether". There are scientific ways to prove the Aether (extended Michelson-Morley experiment by Martin Grusenic).
jatigre1 9 months ago
fuckin love dean radin and fred wolf. bad asses.
sk8nboomer900 1 year ago
There probably is some form of after life but humans are too pressumitive of how the world works, we probably are in a giant illusion and even to ask a question is invalid on the overall scale, and the after life will emerge but not in a logical sense as we would imagine it, I guess on this scale of understanding the two statements: there is life after death & there is no after life are both valid and both incorrect, that's how differ from what is real our world is and we must open our minds up)
deanmullen10 1 year ago
The human soul and spirit is of the knowledge of the unseen, it is the knowledge of Allah, of which we have been given very little knowledge.
AskariWaryaa 1 year ago
Truthful, Honest, Love, Bliss, etc. etc. are liked by all and are attributes of Consciousness. Similarly when Consciousness states in such states, the physical body remains healthy, it works perfectly. The distortions in conscious states brings diseases in body. Consciousness and Body made for each other. Science in that sense is the creation of Consciousness.Science depends on relative measures one measure will not work for other. Tools to understand consciousness are physical but commonality .
bharadrm 1 year ago
The Soul is the radiation from the Brain that is Eternal and enters another Human body immediately after death. The Soul is seen as a multi-colored Living Rainbow surrounding the body, by some Psychics, who have trained those senses to see beyond the five senses that we are normally born with. I have seen this during my 40-day fast in 1970. Love, Armand L. Archambeault
MrArmandL 1 year ago
The Soul is the radiation from the Brain that is Eternal and enters another Human body immediately after death. The Soul is seen as a multi-colored Living Rainbow surrounding the body, by some Psychics, who have trained those senses to see beyond the five senses that we are normally born with. I have seen this during my 40-day fast in 1970. Love, Armand L. Archambeault
MrArmandL 1 year ago
What channel was this on?
Batamon1997 1 year ago
no women among them
sinisterbella 1 year ago 2
@sinisterbella Ha yes, they must think women could never work out what a soul is, too occupied being tied to the cooker!
latehare1 11 months ago
Life is meaninful, soul survive us all. I belief it. If it don´t exist, good, i live my life happyness.
rey982 1 year ago