Brian Robertson - Still in Love With Blues (Part 4/9)

[tacomadc]

So this is where all the linguistics professors hang out - lol!

[tacomadc]

Brian actually seems like a very nice guy. I think he just likes to play!

[domnal]

The irony of this interchange is that Brian's use of English is better that Stuart's !!

Stuart is using "could" where he should be using "would"

(Brian being a Scot and Stuart being an English person !!)

[j9o9h9n9n9y9]

@domnal It's not like Brian grew up speaking Gaelic or something...

[domnal]

@j9o9h9n9n9y9 Am I being unreasonable to expect an English person to have a good grasp of English Language ? Or are you saying that this interchange is not Ironic in anyway . Perhaps being Irish I have a different perception of these things.

[j9o9h9n9n9y9]

@domnal No, I don't think there's any irony there, we Scots have English as our first language and are generally pretty well-educated in it. Scottish schooling is, for the most part, of a high quality, dare I say moreso than in many parts of England. I do think if you said to Robbo, "Wow, Brian, your English is rather good - for a Scot", he'd be insulted. I wouldn't blame him either. The English don't necessarily have any kind of lock on articulacy IN English over the Scots or the Irish.

[domnal]

@j9o9h9n9n9y9 I wasn't blaming the target I was blaming the Archer !! and that would be you in this case. !! Surely I don't need to explain the irony of a Scot speaking better English than an English Man. You misinterpreted what I actually said . I said that Brian spoke better English full stop ;but you put "des mots dans ma bouche monsieur"!! I never said "for a scot - you said that !! I was not being condescending I was pointing out an Irony which you have missed Completely Monsieur . Ca Va

[j9o9h9n9n9y9]

@domnal Well, no, it's only an "irony" if it's ironic, and it would indeed be ironic if, for example, English were Brian's second language. But it's not. There really isn't any reason an Englishman should automatically speak better English than a Scot - THAT would be the original arrow AND the original "mots de votre bouche". Brian speaks better English than Stuart, most definitely, but it's ONLY ironic if, as a Scot, he were EXPECTED not to. And why on Earth would that be the case?

[domnal]

@j9o9h9n9n9y9 Being Irish and living in England I have confounded many by speaking English better than most of the English people I have met ; mainly because they least expected it from me !! I was once even "accused" of being English So I suppose that gave me a different perspective and awareness of Irony from someone who Lives in Canada. !! If you can't see something that is probably a hint that it isn't there !!

Ca Va Monsieur Jean E. Neuf !!

[j9o9h9n9n9y9]

@domnal I dunno about that, mate. I live in Canada but I'm Scottish and spent a lot of years in Engand. If someone had been "confounded" by my grasp of the mutual language I'd have been insulted and annoyed, and I wouldn't blame you if you were too. Especially if they thought they should have the upper hand by being from south of the border. That'd be a most unfair assumption, don't you think? So I can't see the irony of it and am agreeing with your logic - it's probably not there at all.

[domnal]

@j9o9h9n9n9y9 Well first of all you have to actually confound someone with your use of English and If they are English and you are not then that person will reveal themselves to you one way or another. If they appear affronted or surprised then they reveal their prejudices. But If they are polite and are able to move up a gear to Standard English then you have them "on their toes" . If you are pointing out ambiguity in their questions and they become hostile then you know all about them !!

[j9o9h9n9n9y9]

@domnal Agree to disagree, man. This is just getting boring.

[domnal]

@j9o9h9n9n9y9 Just a quick question .!! Do you remember Allanis Morrisette and her song "Isn't it Ironic ?"

Well look at the Lyrics and you will see that the list of things she cites are not ironies but merely unfortunate occurrences. " Like a fly in your Chardonnay " " A free ride when you are already there" etc.. Perhaps you have an example of something you consider an Irony ? .

[j9o9h9n9n9y9]

@domnal Aw, buddy, really? Still? Ok... irony

1.the use of words to convey a meaning that is the opposite of its literal meaning:

2.incongruity between what is expected to be and what actually is, or a situation or result showing such incongruity.

In my opinion, Morissette uses allegory within the lyrics to describe the feeling of being faced with an incongruous, ironic situation in addition to the many examples of irony which fit clearly into these descriptions, thus preventing the song

[j9o9h9n9n9y9]

@domnal ...from being too one-dimensional.

If, say, a Polish man who'd only been learning English for 3 months danced linguistic rings around Stuart Bull, that may indeed be the opposite of what would be expected. But I fully expect Brian Robertson to have a very solid command of English - better than many of his contemporaries - thereby negating such a situation from fitting into that category at all for me. If you have a different expectation, then we'll just agree to disagree on that.

[domnal]

@j9o9h9n9n9y9 Impasse ! I But may I say I have thoroughly enjoyed your conversation you have stimulated my little grey cells. comme Monsieur Poirrot !! This has to be a record for Youtube - not one swear word in sight !!

Thanks again !!

[j9o9h9n9n9y9]

@domnal You too!! And clearly I was wrong to worry we might be about to descend into name-calling or circles. I apologise for my assumption there. It was good to converse with someone of intelligence and good manners such as yourself. Happy to talk with you anytime, mate.

[j9o9h9n9n9y9]

@domnal Moi?  N'est-ce pas.

[domnal]

@j9o9h9n9n9y9 Si Tu !! -Mais Ne me tu-toiyez pas Jamais Monsieur !!

[j9o9h9n9n9y9]

@domnal Ha ha.  Blame pas la cible de ratés de la flèche, monsieur. :)

[UliJones]

@domnal

This is no good for Robbo's hard man image but he actually comes from a 'posh' part of Glasgow and attended a public school!

[domnal]

@UliJones It shows in the way he speaks !! It takes one to know one !!

[UliJones]

@domnal

LOL! People in England (me included) hear a Glasgow accent and assume the owner's from Sauchiehall Street! :))

[domnal]

@UliJones I wasn't listening to accents but on that point Stuart's accent is stronger . I was listening to the use of English and Vocabulary. That is what truly sets people apart . You would be surprised by the standard (high)

of English as is spoken by first generation Jamaicans in the UK - people who are now in their 60s and consider themselves "quite Hinglish now" . But hey did Robbo say reticent early on in that video- How many of today's boy-guitarists use that word ??

[domnal]

@UliJones He attended a public school not a Public School !! Remember Wikipedia is American based !! I went to a Public School . So called in the U.K as they were for the "fee paying public" and again according to Wikipedia Robbo was born in Clarkston , Renfrewshire but went to school in Glasgow . a quick look at the picture of the school will confirm it's correct status. So not upper class at all His hard man image is intact !! ( notice I didn't use the word p**h I was taught not to )

[domnal]

@UliJones Just an important further point - I never use the word p**h because it suggests to the world that you are down there looking up. I look up to no-one. I might look across and see my equals for there is no down !! Trevor Bayliss the inventor of the wind -up radio once said " I don't mind people who look down on me as long as they don't expect me to be looking up to them" a similar sentiment I think . But apart from all that you have a nice collection of Robbo stuff and related !!

[gazzaboy2531977]

i was wondering possibly if you could show us....

[Kit100]

Stuart Bull with hair!!!!

[outtacastatv]

@Kit100 beautiful hair



[domnal]

@Kit100 Yes but not a lot !! It comes to us all so to speak !! ( meaning it waves good-bye )