WRONG, it's the JOOZ that dictate the presidency, because they are the main controllers of capital in the world. Our buddy NOAM is well aware of this, but chooses to purposely obscure the fact to further his own radical leftist ideology.
Let's see... Chomsky is a professor and competent analyst who used reliable sources to show his points, bothering to document every detail and reference everything -- and, you barely ever see him taking a stance: most of the time, he's just making a description and he'll attack both sides on their mistakes calmly.
You leave a comment on youtube, totally unsubstantiated, and you pretend Chomsky is biased. Well, I think we have our answer: you are the one who's biased.
about capitalism: the last 2-3 generations have never been able to experience REAL capitalism. What we have here is more SOCIALISM ALREADY. The BANKS are given money, the AUTO companies are given money, the MEDIA (specifically msnbc) was given billions 'secretly' lumped into the bank bailout, and all the big CORPORATIONS are basically given money because the pay almost no taxes, and get subsidies!!
We've been BLEEDING OUT since 1913, you all know what happened then.
So please stop bashing capitalism and don't listen to the people that do cause they either don't know what they're talking about or they're trying to decieve you, IMHO.
about capitalism: the last 2-3 generations have never been able to experience REAL capitalism. What we have here is more SOCIALISM ALREADY. The BANKS are given money, the AUTO companies are given money, the MEDIA (specifically msnbc) was given billions 'secretly' lumped into the bank bailout, and all the big CORPORATIONS are basically given money because the pay almost no taxes, and get subsidies!!
We cannot afford to keep letting an endless number of illegal aliens into this country, and the rest of us are going to foot their medical bills. He wants to steal money from us to give to our corrupt medical system. Noam is one of those who is DESTROYING OUR COUNTRY. What he REALLY is saying here..is in FAVOR of large corporations socializing their costs on the rest of us along w/our corrupt gov't. Read through his rhetoric, folks. This guy used to be a hero of mine until I came to my senses.
@dihydrohydroxycodein Yeah, any politician in America is a corporate whore. Obama still has some care for people, though. He wanted a public option for health care and increased funding for education. The only difference is that he is slower to accept corporate money.
I think Obama is a nice guy, probably. He once condemned the massive bonuses of the CEOs, managers. Later, in the business press they "threatened" Obama... withdrawing campaign fundings and so on. Later then, Obama shut his mouth and dignified the great "free market system" that the US has.
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So if "Campaign Funding" came from "Only" the "Person" sector. People like Chomski could capitalize on fear mongering against those "Big Corporations" and steer those elections towards their candidate of "Socialism" and "No You Can't" policies. His ILLEGAL Immigrants having rights before LEGAL corporate representation is ridiculous. It's like giving more rights to the burglar and none to the home owner he's burglarizing. All under the definition of being a civilized community. How stupid!
So Chomsky's conspiracy theory doesn't hold water. If campaign contributions would determine policy, then he would have given gifts to the university of california, google and microsoft, but afaik he didn't.
@xknowledgeisfreex Even so, and irrelevant of Chomsky or not, the points do hold because you can just look to the Supreme Court for that. Late 2009, Supreme Court declared that corporations are entitled to UNLIMITED contributions in all future elections. They buy the elections totally now. It's no big secret that major corporations and the centralized banking apparatus coupled with free-trade capitalism runs the State and Private sector in its totality. Proof and sources are endless and obvious.
@xknowledgeisfreex Even the State documents talk about it. Under the freedom of information act, you can view declassified documents back at least 15 years or so. So, Desert Storm, Iran-Contra (Nicaragua), Vietnam, and all of the CIA coups from 1955-1992 are viewable. Your own White House and Pentagon admits to helping corporations destroy the Third World for Free-Trade capitalism. With various grizzly details of torture and technique of course. How much more obvious does it need to be? LOL wow.
total amount raised in Obama's election campaign 2008:
$744,985,625
how much of this comes from financial institutions (commercial banks, securities & investment, misc. financial):
$24,606,353
that amounts to merely 3,3 % and even without the contributions of the financial institutions Obama would still have had raised almost twice as much money as McCain. Obama's campaign had simply more support among the population.
intellectually honest persons of any political persuasion should be able to spot the truth when they hear it. when chomsky goes we'll have lost the brightest and best.
This is true. Chomsky, although his agenda and analytical prioritization of issue may never appeal to a great many intelligent people, is a speaker of truth. His logic is outstanding...what I most appreciate about him is that he can put aside his personal dislike of a person and knife through anyone's analyses, dissecting truth from falsehood without being conclusory. It will be sad when he goes...I will certainly miss listening to him. Also sad to watch him get slower as time progresses.
@urielrabo No, you're stupid human. American is just as bad as every other country. Look up some facts for once in your uneducated trailer trash life.
@doctender77 we can only try top learn how to not participate,and to not feel ashamed because we dont wear or buy, or work, or participate woth their rubbish. coz the best they can sell us is rubbish.
there still a whole world out there where food grows and animals livbe, and blah blah.
but i hear you. chomskys job is to wake folk up, and negate the propaganda, it is out job to find ways to NOT PATRTICIPATE
it costs thousands of dollars for a political candidate to run for an election. Takes a lot of money, so politicians who aren't especially wealthy rely heavily on funding. They don't want to make their sponsors angry- they'll behave like a puppet. When you get to the top level candidates for the presidency, the funding required is in the millions.
@Metamorphisize Barack Obama received 653 million dollars in funding for his presidential campaign in 2008. Most of his funding came from the financial sector, namely JP Morgan, Leehman Brothers and Goldman Sachs. His response to the subprime mortgage crisis was punishing these banks with huge bail outs and zero additional regulations. Bush received an MBA in business, Cheney was ceo of Haliburton, and Obama is surrounded by wall street. Now Trump is thinking of running for office. We're fucked.
Of course you can tell the policies of an administration from who gave them money. What business would donate money to a campaign that they was not in their best interest?
Are businesses dictating policy? Or does policy dictate business spending?
where have all these right leaning Chomsky bashers, astroturfers, and cognitive infiltrators crawled out of? they seem to spend a great deal of time trolling across Youtube of late. Some, @QRF11B@TheAmericanApologist, even take to opening multiple accounts to vent their pseudo intellectual utilitarian drivel. Word of advice: no one gives a shit what you think, so focus on achieving something in your life; instead of attempting, miserably, to critique Chomsky's contributions.
@digimaton A new US military spy operation takes manipulation to a new level, using social media to tackle the online world. America’s new 'sock puppet' software allows the military to simultaneously create multiple fake online identities to spread a pro-American message.
@digimaton The loudest people are usually the most ignorant. Everyone who sees Noam as what he truly is (A patriot inciting thought towards true freedom and democracy) knows that these people are fools.
@MultiGargiulo You are a fucking idiot. He's exactly right...didn't you read about the law that was passed by the Supreme Court? Typical assholes like you don't even bother to understand the truth.
The Japanese people learned a lesson that if they stand by and allow a brutal dictatorship to come to power they will all suffer the consequences.
This should be true for every country. That's why we have the Tea Party in America. To warn politicians who try to abuse their power the people will revolt against them.
Japanese have been war-free for over 60 years.
Nuking them was the best thing that ever happened to them.
@lakeeriejew: Well then maybe the USA needs a good nuke or 10, then the world might have a lot less wars for the NEXT 60 years! Fucking hypocrite yank.
@QRF11B: Nice choice of words, but so far off the mark. Some might view the USA as the bastion of peace for the world, but those of us who are sane know better. I suppose you're of the former inclination.
@mozaks80 Indeed, our age age doesn't accept an absolute standard of morality. We deal with situational ethics; the circumstances determine whether an act is right or wrong. Moreover, in a diverse world, everyone has his or her own values.
@mozaks80 Indeed some might and do hold less than desirable opinions about the USA. Just as you offer nothing by way of substance; only sophomoric polemics and thug language befitting a plebe rabble-rouser might lead some to hold a less than desirable opinion of you.
Furthermore, judging by the quality and substance of your writing you don't strike me as professorial or erudite or someone who possesses the altruism of Mother Teresa. You're a sanctimonious little prick and a dilettante.
@lakeeriejew The Tea party are just the new fascists..that's all....plain and simple..idiots and apologists for corporations...fucking stupid morons.
@davehutchinson67 They're not fascist they're just anti big-government and want to know what is going on behind the scenes in government, which is fair enough
@SwordInAir Anti big govt and pro big business and fuck the working man...that's the tea party....period. Don't look or listen to their rhetoric but look at their actions. Going after govt employees, cutting out health care, increasing work hours, decreasing safety standards...they are the whores of big business...and so are the democrats too..they all are....Jefferson was right..a little revolution every once in awhile is a good thing..
@davehutchinson67 Worse than that...go to a rally. They don't have a BASIC understanding of what they're protesting. Some of them don't even know what they're protesting.
Are you also troubled by the Japanese brutal occupation of Manchuria and the Philippines? Of the Nazi bombings of Polish and Russian cities killing hundreds of thousands of civilians? Or do you only lose sleep when it's America retaliating to their enemies?
The Japanese people are guilty for building the munitions that their government used to kill and torture other nations...they deserve to die for that.
Noam you need to check the FEC reports on campaign contributions for candidates. 80% of Obama funding came from small individual donations. Only 20% came from PAC donations. And financials are not supporting Obama becasue of the Wallstreet reform that he passed. You should CORRECT.
TheAmerican Apoligist you can't hold a candle up to Noam Chomsky . You must know that you are being dismissed right away by progressives , might as well talk amongs yourselves ( the neo facists). I bet you think the rapture is more likely to happen than the polar icecaps melting ha.
i wonder if you are a disguised christian talking about rationality which is an oxymoron - you did however discount christians after all . but dont compare the scientific community with the hysterical voices. i admit as should you that there are unbalanced arguments on both sides expecially on the right. we still need an honest dialogue.
population control - evey organism must strike a balance with its environment otherwise it wil kill it. humanity its pushing the limits of its welcome , depleating and currupting natural resources . i know this is a little bit off topic, but i think is central and i wish people like noam chomsky would address the problem.
@TheSololobo Eco-chondriacs are highly creative people with strong imaginations. My only problem with them is their lack of history or rational skepticism.
Hysterical voices have been warning of end-times for a long time now, Christian or otherwise.Yet they can't seem to make predictions that work out. I invite you to investigate Jimmy Carter's long list of side-splitting threats and wash those down with Gore's laughable assertions that have all backfired.
@TheAmericanApologist how do you explain the catastrophe that was the bush administration - please ellucidate with your condescending sophistry. do you really trust the corporations to do the right thing, at least we can appoint our government officials. im not a communist, but unbridaled capitalism is also tyranical as it was in the late 1800's. capitalism has been tempered by socialism .
@MrAranchy While we're at it, add in: fatuous, transparent, masochistic, and just plain absurd.
Only the young (or the left-leaning) could pay an American man living off either government subsidy, or capitalistic gains, to drone on about how evil the government and capitalism truly are.
It's breathtakingly hilarious. He has to be the greatest troll in modern history. He laughs all the way to the bank I'm sure.
Sorry Chomsky: I can't quite hear what you're saying over what you're doing!
A classless,monyless,stateless communities of humanity in cooperation to take care of our needs and well being , expressing our creative energies in freedom of being. Capitalism is the manipulation of resources and technology for the private gain of a few in a monetary system that enslaves immense humanity in wage slavery of useless employment system that dehumanises and denies our human creative potential for a world of harmony within and without.
Big Business has always dictated the policies of this country largely because they have the money which translates ultimately into votes because money=votes in this country.
When you couple this with 14th amendment rights for corporations, you can see that the US is not a Democracy but a polyarchy consisting of a mix of oligarchy and plutocracy.
The reason why average people have made any progress in this society comes from popular movements that have helped lead to some access.
I am a Canadian. I love the American people. We both rejected the hierarchy based on class, tradition and heritance. In the Boer War, Canadians realized how different they were from the Brits. We couldnt stand how they would treat the wounded based on hierarchy; we wanted it treated based on the severity of the womb.
Its sad how we are seeing a new hierarchy that no longer places working people as equals. Corporates hierarchy. America: your are a light to the world and can do better.
@DontEatEggs666 It's old news but he is referring to the Supreme Court case: Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission. The court's decision gives corporations the rights of and actually much more rights than ordinary citizens (as in human beings) in campaign financing. It allows them to contribute without real limits and rather anonymously to political campaigns. I know it's boring and hard to tell the BS from the real info but If you are an American you should keep up with these things.
That's ok Amer. Apol., You're forgiven for not comprehending, the biped that you are. My cousin Orf from Xentr-6 sends his regards. Remember: beware of the frankenfood and flesh-feasting industries, the lights in the sky are stars, and the foxtrot is really a hidden manifestation of paranoia. Alas....the hour for common purpose rolls like jellybean thunder.
@nickotwincities I'm still willing to spend twenty minutes showing (or if you like, proving by empirical means) how wrong you are. Retreating, or changing the subject, only solidifies my point.
You're holding an empty sack and will resist being shown as much.
But, by all means do a drive-by and keep on truckin'. Meanwhile, those of us that have learned the value of skepticism and the weighing of evidence versus interest will shake our heads and have a good laugh at the foolishness of youth.
@TheAmericanApologist Wow. You're still stuck on my posts here? I forgot all about you. (And forgot my posts as well.) Why would I spend my time debating on youtube? It hardly ever changes already made up minds. Plus, I'd rather play guitar, read, etc. Sorry, but I've moved on and suggest you do too. End of posts for me here.
The problem with Chomsky is that he's never led a real life; his contibution to society has been to spread confusion and promote anarchy - while drawing his income from the very system he condems. He might consider a career in Politics rather than as an armchair critic of it, as it is very easy to criticise from the outside without experience of the realities of the inside. He might also consider getting his hair cut, learning some social skills and/or killing himself. What a Bellend.
@EddyBlueEyes the role of pulic intellectuals is to analyze and criticize the system based on facts and merit. This allows for an objective view of the system and allows for greater critical analysis. His facts are bang on and if you notice any criticism of chomsky is based on character without ever challenging the facts becaues they can't be denied. Pulic intellectuals provide another voice to those in power which encourages people to make their own decisions based on objective analysis.
@brothamouzoune please provide an example of how chomsky is not objective outside of his stated facts that journalists are not. Chomsky criticizes both the left and right and bases his judgements on facts and interpretation. Where is the lack of objectivity in those characteristics?
well, thats an easy knee jerk comment, and kinda fair enough. but when you have as many sources and as much experience as chomsky does with politics and history since he began campaigning in the 50s (wen vietnam ACTUALLY began) then you'll see that relative to most commentators, his pers[ective does make him "objective", and thats the best anyone could mdo. though most dont, they just bGET PAID
@gnowave yep its true, america is only as bad as all the rest of the assholes who still try to dominate everyone else like schoolyard bullies. most developed countries are only developed due to plundering and bullying others, look at the UK, what assholes. and france, and germany, and so on. lethally poisonous histories.
Chomsky condemns the very institutions he uses to fill his bank accounts while young people continue to defend him (or at least act as if they can). Those of us with a sense of irony just have to chuckle.
thats more a mcomment that should be guided at the US government or the christian churches or muslim mosques....
the irony is your words.. i take it you are american? the rest of the world laugh as irony is lost on them.
also i am not young, i am in my late 40s, and as a NON-us citizen, and viewing it more objectivly than some, chomsky speaks for many of trhe worlds poulations, they feeel it in their gut
right, so you reckon a guy who has had to fight hard to be the best at his job to make sure he keeps his kob, keeps getting paid, AND dealing with all the weight of neo-con enmity and derision and snidey shit from vari0ous government bodies.. and youi reckon he dosnt live in the real world? dont you think really its the other way around: most "everyday" people D|ONT live in the real world, they live in realities designed for them by markters etc.
Concepts are great servants, but horrible masters. Chomsky, like many leftists, falls right into the trap of epistemic confusion. Big business doesn't control anything, it can't control anything. It is a concept, not something that actually exists in the world and is able to act or influence; what Chomsky means to say is that PEOPLE dictate the presidency, since a business is only a group of people. People decide who sits in that office, not some bullshit concept cooked up by moonbats.
@TheAmericanApologist people who are representing certain kinds of institutions and acting within a particular system. He's quite right to point out the influence of big business on policy.
@InnocenceExperience He'd be quite right if his arguments didn't contain some tragic post hoc ergo propter hoc foolishness. Is it true that people spread money in the hopes of influencing policy? Of course. Does it therefore follow that, say, America sent her young people to Iraq strictly to serve American businesses?
People would do well to learn that the government is charged with protecting property, even abroad. Those who desire to loot don't like this fact, but that's the way it is.
@TheAmericanApologist that doesn't anywhere near adequately or correctly represents his position, so I think you're attacking a straw man, if you want to talk fallacies.
@InnocenceExperience I know, I know, I've heard this cardboard cut-out defense many times. As far as I've heard, no one has successfully attacked Chomsky's position on anything. Ever. I've noticed a knee-jerk reaction from his defenders to accuse his detractors of mis-characterizing him, without providing so much as a single line of evidence, let alone an attempt at a proof.
Sad to see you continue the boring tradition.
But, as Noam would say: "the right answers are what you decide."
@TheAmericanApologist In this video Chomsky talks about the influence of corporations on elections and policy via campaign funding (anything to say about that?) Elsewhere he claims that America invaded Iraq to control middle eastern oil reserves in the interests of American hegemony and money for the US oil companies. I've never heard him argue that is simply because of campaign financing; it appears you was setting up a very simple, partial form of his argument- ie a straw man.
@InnocenceExperience Oh, I see confusion. The fallacy is in the conclusion, not the premises. He ignores other causes, therefore getting an incomplete conclusion. Ignored items are things like preventing genocide, for one example.
That aside, what's left is exactly what I'm saying to you: Chomsky does indeed claim America invaded Iraq to control oil and protect American assets. Yes, he says this. And that's precisely why he gets laughed at. See Chomsky vs Hitchens in print for examples.
@TheAmericanApologist the fallacy wasn't either the conclusion or the premises, it was presenting that premise and that conclusion together as if it summed up his argument, when it was simplified and very partial...and then attacking that straw man.
That aside, we agree on what he claims about the invasion. Thanks for the reference, I'll check it out. I'm open minded. Why do you think America invaded Iraq?
@TheAmericanApologist incidentally, the original justification, as I understand was weapons of mass destruction, not terror or genocide. Anyway, didn't the US support Sadam during the time he committed his atrocities against the Kurds? And also, didn't a hell of a lot of people die as a result of the invasion?
@TheAmericanApologist I see a bit of a misunderstanding....so you disagree with his 'conclusion' that America invaded Iraq to control the oil...but my questions still stand...why do you think America invaded Iraq? What are the causes he ignores? Sadam generally being a despot and committing genocide? That doesn't seem convincing because he wasn't committing genocide at the time, US supported him against Iran at the time he was, and they trade with/approve of other dictators.
@InnocenceExperience Have you heard that an open mind is made to finally clamp down on something? On this Iraq topic, my mind closed on obligations and responsibilities. Our legal obligation to prevent the genocide of the Kurds as we had already agreed to do, and our responsibility to remove a theocratic dictator and thug who ran a totalitarian state.
We didn't want to see another dictator extirpate a minority group, while claiming Koranic right to expand his borders and wag Jihad.
@TheAmericanApologist Sadam wasn't at the time of the invasion showing any sign of expanding Iraqi borders, waging jihad, or extirpating a minority group, as far as I know. I will read what Hitchens has to say about it though
@TheAmericanApologist thanks for the video link. It'll give me something to think about. I'm really not committed to one position or the other. I'm just trying to gain some understanding of a complex issue.
um, actually, thats another non-argument, you CANT break the quality of chomskys arguments, and you seem to just attack folks age, or charachter, and many sneaky cheap tricks you see neo-cons and wots-her-name-palin types all doing. avooid the issue and try to dirty the charachter. cheap, and blind, and anyway, why are you so effin botherd about sopme one you8 seem not top believe or care about?
this would be true, IF those really were the reasons they wenht to war, sadly and shamfully, the reasons they went tpo "war" were NOT for anyones good but corporates. theyr doing it again in libya, but this time theyr getting away with even worse media white-washing. protecting property? abroad? are you a fool?
civilians getting blasted all over the place, schools, hospitals, children being blasted... woit are u talking about johnny boyscout?
you will finjd that most of the "anti-chomsky" comments are all falling short in the sense that r.a.w. said, along lines of, there r three types of people, most are the first kind, asleep, apathretic, and the 2nd are the sociopaths who exploit and encourga ethem to stay \asleep, the 3rd are awake, but no one listens to them as it "spoils" their sleep, or game., so they get shit...
Noam kills me. Only fools care about the next generation. Screw our kids. I want what I can get NOW. That's the right wing way. Our children can go screw themselves. My life is more important than others.
@nickotwincities What? Have you NOT heard the constant chants against generational debt coming from the right? Have you not heard the daily denunciations of burdening our kids with out debt? I hear them everyday, and I'm more than willing to provide you with some info about - we literally won't shut up about that very subject! We are very opposed to it, and just a few minutes could correct your wildly inaccurate view. Let me know if you want to accept my invitation, I'm more than happy to help.
@TheAmericanApologist Allow me to educate you quickly as I've seen this before. You should be wanking about more than just the debt. With your country's over-dependence on shallow consumption, disdain for the environment (all that plastic has to be burried somewhere, gets in the water ya know), a complete lack of historical recall and future planning, I'm afraid those generations to come are pretty doomed. Thankfully I'll be watching remotely from my home planet Zeta-4 as it happens.
@nickotwincities Wow. You did manage to educate me on something: You are completely moonbat crazy with your head on Zeta-4. As for facts, I had no idea someone could be so ignorant and present them so poorly. Grats on all that!
@bwmcmaste Yes but perhaps you misunderstood my point. I'm not saying "the US need proportional representation because then a Really Good Party will come along and bring about Utopia and rule forever in a happy, perfect world with unicorns". I'm saying "the US needs proportional representation because a serious left-wing voice is missing in the mainstream political debate, which won't change unless new parties are voted in and represented".
@bwmcmaste That is only true if you accept the notion that no existing or possible political party can work towards bringing about change to the better. Even if the majority of people in the US are currently too indoctrinated to actually vote for these better non- business party options there would at least be more different voices in the political debate. Or do you have a better idea for change? Revolution? Civil disobedience? Demonstrating? Signing a petition? Passivity? Name it!
what was the name of that hospital in arizona, something like 75% of the births their were done free for the anchor babies... in most states doctors are obligated to perform 1/3 of service for free. apparently it is in the hypocratic oath, and is law in some states.
@3File Yes, he's a Communist, a Muslim and a USA hater and don't forget he's also a Nazi, a fascist, a socialist liberal satanist and above all an atheist who eats innocent middle-class Christian babies just for fun.
He denies that 6mln Jews died in the concentration camps, he loves terrorist, and would love if USA failed on all fronts of foreign and domestic policies. He is a fucking communist!!!!!
wow big fuckin news ... tell us something we don't know
Borat911 1 week ago
WRONG, it's the JOOZ that dictate the presidency, because they are the main controllers of capital in the world. Our buddy NOAM is well aware of this, but chooses to purposely obscure the fact to further his own radical leftist ideology.
djs259 1 month ago
@djs259
Let's see... Chomsky is a professor and competent analyst who used reliable sources to show his points, bothering to document every detail and reference everything -- and, you barely ever see him taking a stance: most of the time, he's just making a description and he'll attack both sides on their mistakes calmly.
You leave a comment on youtube, totally unsubstantiated, and you pretend Chomsky is biased. Well, I think we have our answer: you are the one who's biased.
KrugmanTheKing 3 weeks ago
@djs259
You're the one here making judgments before thinking and before knowing.
KrugmanTheKing 3 weeks ago
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Obama should be fucking ashamed, the prick
cspr91 2 months ago
about capitalism: the last 2-3 generations have never been able to experience REAL capitalism. What we have here is more SOCIALISM ALREADY. The BANKS are given money, the AUTO companies are given money, the MEDIA (specifically msnbc) was given billions 'secretly' lumped into the bank bailout, and all the big CORPORATIONS are basically given money because the pay almost no taxes, and get subsidies!!
gurper707 2 months ago
We've been BLEEDING OUT since 1913, you all know what happened then.
So please stop bashing capitalism and don't listen to the people that do cause they either don't know what they're talking about or they're trying to decieve you, IMHO.
gurper707 2 months ago
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about capitalism: the last 2-3 generations have never been able to experience REAL capitalism. What we have here is more SOCIALISM ALREADY. The BANKS are given money, the AUTO companies are given money, the MEDIA (specifically msnbc) was given billions 'secretly' lumped into the bank bailout, and all the big CORPORATIONS are basically given money because the pay almost no taxes, and get subsidies!!
gurper707 2 months ago
@gurper707 Certainly not anything like real libertarian socialism.
RSFO 1 month ago
We cannot afford to keep letting an endless number of illegal aliens into this country, and the rest of us are going to foot their medical bills. He wants to steal money from us to give to our corrupt medical system. Noam is one of those who is DESTROYING OUR COUNTRY. What he REALLY is saying here..is in FAVOR of large corporations socializing their costs on the rest of us along w/our corrupt gov't. Read through his rhetoric, folks. This guy used to be a hero of mine until I came to my senses.
pookiecatblue 2 months ago
Where is the law that says undocumented aliens are not persons under the law?
quantazelle 3 months ago
End corporate personhood!!!
bb1televator 3 months ago 2
@bb1televator Right on! Ending corporate personhood would end most of the problems in America.
mazuiface 3 months ago
Oh it amuses me how all these Youtube idiots that struggle to even spell business think they're more educated than Noam Chomsky.
CriticalComboAttack 3 months ago
it is apparent that Republicans have organized and possibly paid trolls trying to turn youtube and other free media into Fox News.
edchuckndoug 4 months ago
@edchuckndoug ok,ok,ok,das en el clavo,un saludo
uran592 4 months ago
@edchuckndoug A tempting surmise, but I seriously doubt it. Paid and organized trolls would surely be more sophisticated.
polymath7 3 months ago
Obama is a corporate whore.
dihydrohydroxycodein 6 months ago 15
@dihydrohydroxycodein Obama = Antichrist!
GrandInquisitor7 4 months ago
@GrandInquisitor7 Fred Phelps = Child Abuser. Margie Phelps = Hideous Skank Shirley Phelps = Hideous Skank #2. Westboro CULT Members = Inbred Brainwashed Attention WHORES. Have a nice day.
Grandlnquisitor7 3 months ago
@dihydrohydroxycodein Yeah, any politician in America is a corporate whore. Obama still has some care for people, though. He wanted a public option for health care and increased funding for education. The only difference is that he is slower to accept corporate money.
mazuiface 3 months ago
@mazuiface
I think Obama is a nice guy, probably. He once condemned the massive bonuses of the CEOs, managers. Later, in the business press they "threatened" Obama... withdrawing campaign fundings and so on. Later then, Obama shut his mouth and dignified the great "free market system" that the US has.
dihydrohydroxycodein 2 months ago
It's funny because I gave money for Obama's 2008 election, but it wasn't enough to match up with the dough from the banks.
dontchastop 6 months ago
@MrBloograss This wasnt funny the last time you said it on the last chomsky video.
ZombiBuddy 6 months ago
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So if "Campaign Funding" came from "Only" the "Person" sector. People like Chomski could capitalize on fear mongering against those "Big Corporations" and steer those elections towards their candidate of "Socialism" and "No You Can't" policies. His ILLEGAL Immigrants having rights before LEGAL corporate representation is ridiculous. It's like giving more rights to the burglar and none to the home owner he's burglarizing. All under the definition of being a civilized community. How stupid!
dorksayswhat 6 months ago
Many of our politicians suffer form psychopathic personality. Check the video "freedom from conscience -- psychopaths" for an explanation why.
edwardsson777 7 months ago
This guys a genious.. It's a shame 9 out of 10 Americans don't listen to him and instead are brainwashed by corporate sponsored political parties.
LordVader89 7 months ago 3
@LordVader89 Yeah, I was just thinking the same thought when I scrolled down to read your post.
dontchastop 6 months ago
where can i see obama's funding for the 2008 campaign?
RevoIutionz 7 months ago
Search: The Top 200 Chomsky Lies - Paul Bogdanor On YouTube
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
1:48 This is the now infamous Citizens United ruling. Chomsky was right.Who will become top dissident once Chomsky is gone?
ubernerd35 7 months ago
@urielrabo Left or right it all leads to the same point.
kotkee 8 months ago
@kotkee Agree 100%....I love the guy..very few tell it as succinctly and directly as the professor does.
davehutchinson67 8 months ago
McCain received more campaign contributions from financial institutions than Obama did. Just go to opensourceDOTorg and look at the actual data.
The top 5 contributors to McCain's campaign:
Merrill Lynch $373,595
Citigroup Inc $322,051
Morgan Stanley $273,452
Goldman Sachs $230,095
JPMorgan Chase & Co $228,107
ALL financial institutions.
xknowledgeisfreex 8 months ago
@xknowledgeisfreex
top 5 contributors to Obama's campaign:
University of California $1,591,395
Goldman Sachs $994,795
Harvard University $854,747
Microsoft Corp $833,617
Google Inc $803,436
Only one financial institution!
So Chomsky's conspiracy theory doesn't hold water. If campaign contributions would determine policy, then he would have given gifts to the university of california, google and microsoft, but afaik he didn't.
xknowledgeisfreex 8 months ago
@xknowledgeisfreex Even so, and irrelevant of Chomsky or not, the points do hold because you can just look to the Supreme Court for that. Late 2009, Supreme Court declared that corporations are entitled to UNLIMITED contributions in all future elections. They buy the elections totally now. It's no big secret that major corporations and the centralized banking apparatus coupled with free-trade capitalism runs the State and Private sector in its totality. Proof and sources are endless and obvious.
Bodhidharma1986 8 months ago
@xknowledgeisfreex Even the State documents talk about it. Under the freedom of information act, you can view declassified documents back at least 15 years or so. So, Desert Storm, Iran-Contra (Nicaragua), Vietnam, and all of the CIA coups from 1955-1992 are viewable. Your own White House and Pentagon admits to helping corporations destroy the Third World for Free-Trade capitalism. With various grizzly details of torture and technique of course. How much more obvious does it need to be? LOL wow.
Bodhidharma1986 8 months ago
@xknowledgeisfreex
correction: the source is: opensecretsDOT org ,
xknowledgeisfreex 8 months ago
total amount raised in Obama's election campaign 2008:
$744,985,625
how much of this comes from financial institutions (commercial banks, securities & investment, misc. financial):
$24,606,353
that amounts to merely 3,3 % and even without the contributions of the financial institutions Obama would still have had raised almost twice as much money as McCain. Obama's campaign had simply more support among the population.
xknowledgeisfreex 8 months ago
@xknowledgeisfreex Where does support come from? Have you read "manufacturing consent"?
CackSlop666 7 months ago
@CackSlop666
No, but i've watched the documentary by the same name. What are you getting at?
xknowledgeisfreex 7 months ago
@urielrabo Not you haha
kotkee 8 months ago
hey all you fags, chomsky the fag jewboy calls bin laden's kill, a "cold blooded execution".
fucking pigs all those who support chomsky and his views.
haroos 8 months ago
@urielrabo Your point being?
Pomme843 8 months ago
intellectually honest persons of any political persuasion should be able to spot the truth when they hear it. when chomsky goes we'll have lost the brightest and best.
RainmanCT 9 months ago 10
This is true. Chomsky, although his agenda and analytical prioritization of issue may never appeal to a great many intelligent people, is a speaker of truth. His logic is outstanding...what I most appreciate about him is that he can put aside his personal dislike of a person and knife through anyone's analyses, dissecting truth from falsehood without being conclusory. It will be sad when he goes...I will certainly miss listening to him. Also sad to watch him get slower as time progresses.
ak632621 2 months ago
@urielrabo No, you're stupid human. American is just as bad as every other country. Look up some facts for once in your uneducated trailer trash life.
quicksiliva 9 months ago
@doctender77 we can only try top learn how to not participate,and to not feel ashamed because we dont wear or buy, or work, or participate woth their rubbish. coz the best they can sell us is rubbish.
there still a whole world out there where food grows and animals livbe, and blah blah.
but i hear you. chomskys job is to wake folk up, and negate the propaganda, it is out job to find ways to NOT PATRTICIPATE
gnowave 9 months ago
@urielrabo i think you are really disturbed!
gnowave 9 months ago
it costs thousands of dollars for a political candidate to run for an election. Takes a lot of money, so politicians who aren't especially wealthy rely heavily on funding. They don't want to make their sponsors angry- they'll behave like a puppet. When you get to the top level candidates for the presidency, the funding required is in the millions.
Metamorphisize 9 months ago
@Metamorphisize Barack Obama received 653 million dollars in funding for his presidential campaign in 2008. Most of his funding came from the financial sector, namely JP Morgan, Leehman Brothers and Goldman Sachs. His response to the subprime mortgage crisis was punishing these banks with huge bail outs and zero additional regulations. Bush received an MBA in business, Cheney was ceo of Haliburton, and Obama is surrounded by wall street. Now Trump is thinking of running for office. We're fucked.
killsourenemy 9 months ago
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who listens to this crap. chomsky is a nut job.
909gavin 10 months ago
Of course you can tell the policies of an administration from who gave them money. What business would donate money to a campaign that they was not in their best interest?
Are businesses dictating policy? Or does policy dictate business spending?
jdtreharne 10 months ago
@jdtreharne It's almost interchangeable. Corporations do have choices; that's why the communist party, USA never gets elected =]
icygood101 10 months ago
where have all these right leaning Chomsky bashers, astroturfers, and cognitive infiltrators crawled out of? they seem to spend a great deal of time trolling across Youtube of late. Some, @QRF11B @TheAmericanApologist, even take to opening multiple accounts to vent their pseudo intellectual utilitarian drivel. Word of advice: no one gives a shit what you think, so focus on achieving something in your life; instead of attempting, miserably, to critique Chomsky's contributions.
digimaton 11 months ago 58
@digimaton
chomskytheman 9 months ago
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chomskytheman 9 months ago
@digimaton A new US military spy operation takes manipulation to a new level, using social media to tackle the online world. America’s new 'sock puppet' software allows the military to simultaneously create multiple fake online identities to spread a pro-American message.
chomskytheman 9 months ago
@digimaton The loudest people are usually the most ignorant. Everyone who sees Noam as what he truly is (A patriot inciting thought towards true freedom and democracy) knows that these people are fools.
CackSlop666 7 months ago
@digimaton Pseudointellectual yes, certainly. But utilitarian?
polymath7 3 months ago
What kind of screwed up country are we living in where a corporation has rights and a free man doesn't
theincredibledouche 11 months ago
baba booey
vardor 11 months ago
Noam what a legend and still going. Good on you mate.
kckmkq 11 months ago 4
USA is really a place full of fascists like this lakeeriejew...
MultiGargiulo 11 months ago
@MultiGargiulo You are a fucking idiot. He's exactly right...didn't you read about the law that was passed by the Supreme Court? Typical assholes like you don't even bother to understand the truth.
davehutchinson67 11 months ago
Not exactly a revelation
pretorious700 11 months ago
The Japanese people learned a lesson that if they stand by and allow a brutal dictatorship to come to power they will all suffer the consequences.
This should be true for every country. That's why we have the Tea Party in America. To warn politicians who try to abuse their power the people will revolt against them.
Japanese have been war-free for over 60 years.
Nuking them was the best thing that ever happened to them.
Don't crap with the U.S.
lakeeriejew 11 months ago
@lakeeriejew: Well then maybe the USA needs a good nuke or 10, then the world might have a lot less wars for the NEXT 60 years! Fucking hypocrite yank.
mozaks80 11 months ago 15
@mozaks80 Watch your mouth. Typical degenerate thug.
QRF11B 11 months ago
@QRF11B: Nice choice of words, but so far off the mark. Some might view the USA as the bastion of peace for the world, but those of us who are sane know better. I suppose you're of the former inclination.
mozaks80 11 months ago
@mozaks80 Indeed, our age age doesn't accept an absolute standard of morality. We deal with situational ethics; the circumstances determine whether an act is right or wrong. Moreover, in a diverse world, everyone has his or her own values.
QRF11B 11 months ago
@mozaks80 Indeed some might and do hold less than desirable opinions about the USA. Just as you offer nothing by way of substance; only sophomoric polemics and thug language befitting a plebe rabble-rouser might lead some to hold a less than desirable opinion of you.
Furthermore, judging by the quality and substance of your writing you don't strike me as professorial or erudite or someone who possesses the altruism of Mother Teresa. You're a sanctimonious little prick and a dilettante.
QRF11B 11 months ago
@mozaks80 all I can say is I'm sorry.
causmb 6 months ago
@lakeeriejew The Tea party are just the new fascists..that's all....plain and simple..idiots and apologists for corporations...fucking stupid morons.
davehutchinson67 11 months ago
@davehutchinson67 They're not fascist they're just anti big-government and want to know what is going on behind the scenes in government, which is fair enough
SwordInAir 11 months ago
@SwordInAir Anti big govt and pro big business and fuck the working man...that's the tea party....period. Don't look or listen to their rhetoric but look at their actions. Going after govt employees, cutting out health care, increasing work hours, decreasing safety standards...they are the whores of big business...and so are the democrats too..they all are....Jefferson was right..a little revolution every once in awhile is a good thing..
davehutchinson67 11 months ago
@davehutchinson67 Worse than that...go to a rally. They don't have a BASIC understanding of what they're protesting. Some of them don't even know what they're protesting.
JunnyICurosi 10 months ago
@c37893
Are you also troubled by the Japanese brutal occupation of Manchuria and the Philippines? Of the Nazi bombings of Polish and Russian cities killing hundreds of thousands of civilians? Or do you only lose sleep when it's America retaliating to their enemies?
The Japanese people are guilty for building the munitions that their government used to kill and torture other nations...they deserve to die for that.
Should of nuked Tokyo too.
lakeeriejew 11 months ago
@c3789
Stop being a Chomsky pawn. You're too smart for that.
Hiroshima and Nagasaki were munitions producing cities. Nothing helpless about them.
The only critique I have of Truman is that he didn't drop 8 more bombs in Japan.
Lesson? Don't crap with the US.
lakeeriejew 11 months ago
Wealthy tycoons like Chomsky would know something about collaborating with corporations.
He made his millions working for big business with lucrative Pentagon contracts.
lakeeriejew 1 year ago
Citizens United v. FEC (the court case he was referring to) was one of, if not the, most destructive court decision to American democracy.
GoldeneyePwner 1 year ago
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GoldeneyePwner 1 year ago
Isn't it "inequality" for one candidate to use more money for advertisment than the others??? That's an attack on our Constitution!
Licmycat 1 year ago
Noam you need to check the FEC reports on campaign contributions for candidates. 80% of Obama funding came from small individual donations. Only 20% came from PAC donations. And financials are not supporting Obama becasue of the Wallstreet reform that he passed. You should CORRECT.
barsense 1 year ago
TheAmerican Apoligist you can't hold a candle up to Noam Chomsky . You must know that you are being dismissed right away by progressives , might as well talk amongs yourselves ( the neo facists). I bet you think the rapture is more likely to happen than the polar icecaps melting ha.
TheSololobo 1 year ago
@TheSololobo lol why u mad tho?
TheAmericanApologist 1 year ago
i wonder if you are a disguised christian talking about rationality which is an oxymoron - you did however discount christians after all . but dont compare the scientific community with the hysterical voices. i admit as should you that there are unbalanced arguments on both sides expecially on the right. we still need an honest dialogue.
TheSololobo 1 year ago
population control - evey organism must strike a balance with its environment otherwise it wil kill it. humanity its pushing the limits of its welcome , depleating and currupting natural resources . i know this is a little bit off topic, but i think is central and i wish people like noam chomsky would address the problem.
TheSololobo 1 year ago
@TheSololobo Eco-chondriacs are highly creative people with strong imaginations. My only problem with them is their lack of history or rational skepticism.
Hysterical voices have been warning of end-times for a long time now, Christian or otherwise.Yet they can't seem to make predictions that work out. I invite you to investigate Jimmy Carter's long list of side-splitting threats and wash those down with Gore's laughable assertions that have all backfired.
I can't admire your faith.
TheAmericanApologist 1 year ago
@TheAmericanApologist how do you explain the catastrophe that was the bush administration - please ellucidate with your condescending sophistry. do you really trust the corporations to do the right thing, at least we can appoint our government officials. im not a communist, but unbridaled capitalism is also tyranical as it was in the late 1800's. capitalism has been tempered by socialism .
TheSololobo 1 year ago
Despite having the charisma of a spare tire Chomsky is fascinating and ingenious.
MrAranchy 1 year ago
@MrAranchy While we're at it, add in: fatuous, transparent, masochistic, and just plain absurd.
Only the young (or the left-leaning) could pay an American man living off either government subsidy, or capitalistic gains, to drone on about how evil the government and capitalism truly are.
It's breathtakingly hilarious. He has to be the greatest troll in modern history. He laughs all the way to the bank I'm sure.
Sorry Chomsky: I can't quite hear what you're saying over what you're doing!
TheAmericanApologist 1 year ago
A classless,monyless,stateless communities of humanity in cooperation to take care of our needs and well being , expressing our creative energies in freedom of being. Capitalism is the manipulation of resources and technology for the private gain of a few in a monetary system that enslaves immense humanity in wage slavery of useless employment system that dehumanises and denies our human creative potential for a world of harmony within and without.
arzoyan 1 year ago
it's absurd that it takes someone as brilliant as chomsky to openly state the completely obvious
manonthemount 1 year ago 46
@manonthemount However one must admit: he states the obvious expertly (although I'm not implying that this is all that he does well).
mrfrankincense 10 months ago
Big Business has always dictated the policies of this country largely because they have the money which translates ultimately into votes because money=votes in this country.
When you couple this with 14th amendment rights for corporations, you can see that the US is not a Democracy but a polyarchy consisting of a mix of oligarchy and plutocracy.
The reason why average people have made any progress in this society comes from popular movements that have helped lead to some access.
MultiSmartass1 1 year ago
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Chomsky is just pissed because business achieved what communism failed at so many times before.
Dirty commi
DrPoon 1 year ago
@DrPoon You're just pissed because your life is meaningless.
hamnose 1 year ago
@hamnose
I love my life. I'm sure yours is much better.
DrPoon 1 year ago
@DrPoon Apparently trolling is an enjoyable life experience. Good for you.
hamnose 1 year ago
@hamnose
Good argument. Typical commi.
DrPoon 1 year ago
I am a Canadian. I love the American people. We both rejected the hierarchy based on class, tradition and heritance. In the Boer War, Canadians realized how different they were from the Brits. We couldnt stand how they would treat the wounded based on hierarchy; we wanted it treated based on the severity of the womb.
Its sad how we are seeing a new hierarchy that no longer places working people as equals. Corporates hierarchy. America: your are a light to the world and can do better.
zzzak123 1 year ago
@zzzak123 'the severity of the womb'? Did you say you're canadian?
iktinous 1 year ago
What is he talking about at 1:38 ?
DontEatEggs666 1 year ago
@DontEatEggs666 Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission
rubberbandman3rd 1 year ago
@DontEatEggs666 It's old news but he is referring to the Supreme Court case: Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission. The court's decision gives corporations the rights of and actually much more rights than ordinary citizens (as in human beings) in campaign financing. It allows them to contribute without real limits and rather anonymously to political campaigns. I know it's boring and hard to tell the BS from the real info but If you are an American you should keep up with these things.
hamnose 1 year ago
Noam Chomsky for Presisent 2012
alloneword154 1 year ago
@alloneword154
or ron paul
adkark 1 year ago
@adkark fuck ron paul and his son. they aren't your savior.
brothamouzoune 1 year ago
@alloneword154 We wish.
hornetobiker 1 year ago
Corporatism
MirageScience 1 year ago
That's ok Amer. Apol., You're forgiven for not comprehending, the biped that you are. My cousin Orf from Xentr-6 sends his regards. Remember: beware of the frankenfood and flesh-feasting industries, the lights in the sky are stars, and the foxtrot is really a hidden manifestation of paranoia. Alas....the hour for common purpose rolls like jellybean thunder.
nickotwincities 1 year ago
@nickotwincities I'm still willing to spend twenty minutes showing (or if you like, proving by empirical means) how wrong you are. Retreating, or changing the subject, only solidifies my point.
You're holding an empty sack and will resist being shown as much.
But, by all means do a drive-by and keep on truckin'. Meanwhile, those of us that have learned the value of skepticism and the weighing of evidence versus interest will shake our heads and have a good laugh at the foolishness of youth.
TheAmericanApologist 1 year ago
@TheAmericanApologist Wow. You're still stuck on my posts here? I forgot all about you. (And forgot my posts as well.) Why would I spend my time debating on youtube? It hardly ever changes already made up minds. Plus, I'd rather play guitar, read, etc. Sorry, but I've moved on and suggest you do too. End of posts for me here.
nickotwincities 1 year ago
@nickotwincities Yeah, if I got wrecked that fast, I'd be moving along as well. MSNBC is calling you!
TheAmericanApologist 1 year ago
The problem with Chomsky is that he's never led a real life; his contibution to society has been to spread confusion and promote anarchy - while drawing his income from the very system he condems. He might consider a career in Politics rather than as an armchair critic of it, as it is very easy to criticise from the outside without experience of the realities of the inside. He might also consider getting his hair cut, learning some social skills and/or killing himself. What a Bellend.
EddyBlueEyes 1 year ago
@EddyBlueEyes the role of pulic intellectuals is to analyze and criticize the system based on facts and merit. This allows for an objective view of the system and allows for greater critical analysis. His facts are bang on and if you notice any criticism of chomsky is based on character without ever challenging the facts becaues they can't be denied. Pulic intellectuals provide another voice to those in power which encourages people to make their own decisions based on objective analysis.
Braindrain3 1 year ago
@Braindrain3 to say chomsky is objective is purely false.
brothamouzoune 1 year ago
@brothamouzoune please provide an example of how chomsky is not objective outside of his stated facts that journalists are not. Chomsky criticizes both the left and right and bases his judgements on facts and interpretation. Where is the lack of objectivity in those characteristics?
Braindrain3 1 year ago
@brothamouzoune Die of cancer.
hornetobiker 1 year ago
suck my dick cunt
brothamouzoune 9 months ago
@brothamouzoune To say you have a brain is false
quicksiliva 1 year ago
@quicksiliva that's a clever one
brothamouzoune 9 months ago
@brothamouzoune
well, thats an easy knee jerk comment, and kinda fair enough. but when you have as many sources and as much experience as chomsky does with politics and history since he began campaigning in the 50s (wen vietnam ACTUALLY began) then you'll see that relative to most commentators, his pers[ective does make him "objective", and thats the best anyone could mdo. though most dont, they just bGET PAID
gnowave 9 months ago
@Braindrain3 um, wot is a "pulic" intelectual?
gnowave 9 months ago
@gnowave I meant to say "public". What is a "wot"?
Braindrain3 9 months ago
@Braindrain3 (well spotted!! ten brownie points! lol)
gnowave 9 months ago
@gnowave yep its true, america is only as bad as all the rest of the assholes who still try to dominate everyone else like schoolyard bullies. most developed countries are only developed due to plundering and bullying others, look at the UK, what assholes. and france, and germany, and so on. lethally poisonous histories.
gnowave 9 months ago
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I meant to say "public". What is a "wot"?
Braindrain3 9 months ago
@EddyBlueEyes More or less, you nailed it.
Chomsky condemns the very institutions he uses to fill his bank accounts while young people continue to defend him (or at least act as if they can). Those of us with a sense of irony just have to chuckle.
Accurately are the simple called.
TheAmericanApologist 1 year ago
@TheAmericanApologist
thats more a mcomment that should be guided at the US government or the christian churches or muslim mosques....
the irony is your words.. i take it you are american? the rest of the world laugh as irony is lost on them.
also i am not young, i am in my late 40s, and as a NON-us citizen, and viewing it more objectivly than some, chomsky speaks for many of trhe worlds poulations, they feeel it in their gut
gnowave 9 months ago
@EddyBlueEyes
right, so you reckon a guy who has had to fight hard to be the best at his job to make sure he keeps his kob, keeps getting paid, AND dealing with all the weight of neo-con enmity and derision and snidey shit from vari0ous government bodies.. and youi reckon he dosnt live in the real world? dont you think really its the other way around: most "everyday" people D|ONT live in the real world, they live in realities designed for them by markters etc.
gnowave 9 months ago
@EddyBlueEyes you really sound like a stodgy old lady who reads new york post! ha ha ha
and hey, i know some anarchist communes, wots WRONG with anarchy, unless, you also dont know what that is either?
gnowave 9 months ago
Concepts are great servants, but horrible masters. Chomsky, like many leftists, falls right into the trap of epistemic confusion. Big business doesn't control anything, it can't control anything. It is a concept, not something that actually exists in the world and is able to act or influence; what Chomsky means to say is that PEOPLE dictate the presidency, since a business is only a group of people. People decide who sits in that office, not some bullshit concept cooked up by moonbats.
TheAmericanApologist 1 year ago
@TheAmericanApologist people who are representing certain kinds of institutions and acting within a particular system. He's quite right to point out the influence of big business on policy.
InnocenceExperience 1 year ago
@InnocenceExperience He'd be quite right if his arguments didn't contain some tragic post hoc ergo propter hoc foolishness. Is it true that people spread money in the hopes of influencing policy? Of course. Does it therefore follow that, say, America sent her young people to Iraq strictly to serve American businesses?
People would do well to learn that the government is charged with protecting property, even abroad. Those who desire to loot don't like this fact, but that's the way it is.
TheAmericanApologist 1 year ago
@TheAmericanApologist that doesn't anywhere near adequately or correctly represents his position, so I think you're attacking a straw man, if you want to talk fallacies.
InnocenceExperience 1 year ago
@InnocenceExperience I know, I know, I've heard this cardboard cut-out defense many times. As far as I've heard, no one has successfully attacked Chomsky's position on anything. Ever. I've noticed a knee-jerk reaction from his defenders to accuse his detractors of mis-characterizing him, without providing so much as a single line of evidence, let alone an attempt at a proof.
Sad to see you continue the boring tradition.
But, as Noam would say: "the right answers are what you decide."
TheAmericanApologist 1 year ago
@TheAmericanApologist In this video Chomsky talks about the influence of corporations on elections and policy via campaign funding (anything to say about that?) Elsewhere he claims that America invaded Iraq to control middle eastern oil reserves in the interests of American hegemony and money for the US oil companies. I've never heard him argue that is simply because of campaign financing; it appears you was setting up a very simple, partial form of his argument- ie a straw man.
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InnocenceExperience 1 year ago
@InnocenceExperience Oh, I see confusion. The fallacy is in the conclusion, not the premises. He ignores other causes, therefore getting an incomplete conclusion. Ignored items are things like preventing genocide, for one example.
That aside, what's left is exactly what I'm saying to you: Chomsky does indeed claim America invaded Iraq to control oil and protect American assets. Yes, he says this. And that's precisely why he gets laughed at. See Chomsky vs Hitchens in print for examples.
TheAmericanApologist 1 year ago
@TheAmericanApologist the fallacy wasn't either the conclusion or the premises, it was presenting that premise and that conclusion together as if it summed up his argument, when it was simplified and very partial...and then attacking that straw man.
That aside, we agree on what he claims about the invasion. Thanks for the reference, I'll check it out. I'm open minded. Why do you think America invaded Iraq?
InnocenceExperience 1 year ago
@TheAmericanApologist incidentally, the original justification, as I understand was weapons of mass destruction, not terror or genocide. Anyway, didn't the US support Sadam during the time he committed his atrocities against the Kurds? And also, didn't a hell of a lot of people die as a result of the invasion?
InnocenceExperience 1 year ago
@InnocenceExperience p.s. I'm not saying they supported the atrocities, but they must have known about them.
InnocenceExperience 1 year ago
@InnocenceExperience Read the last message, and fire off more questions. We're crossing wires here.
TheAmericanApologist 1 year ago
@TheAmericanApologist I see a bit of a misunderstanding....so you disagree with his 'conclusion' that America invaded Iraq to control the oil...but my questions still stand...why do you think America invaded Iraq? What are the causes he ignores? Sadam generally being a despot and committing genocide? That doesn't seem convincing because he wasn't committing genocide at the time, US supported him against Iran at the time he was, and they trade with/approve of other dictators.
InnocenceExperience 1 year ago
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InnocenceExperience 1 year ago
@InnocenceExperience Have you heard that an open mind is made to finally clamp down on something? On this Iraq topic, my mind closed on obligations and responsibilities. Our legal obligation to prevent the genocide of the Kurds as we had already agreed to do, and our responsibility to remove a theocratic dictator and thug who ran a totalitarian state.
We didn't want to see another dictator extirpate a minority group, while claiming Koranic right to expand his borders and wag Jihad.
Yeah.
TheAmericanApologist 1 year ago
@TheAmericanApologist Sadam wasn't at the time of the invasion showing any sign of expanding Iraqi borders, waging jihad, or extirpating a minority group, as far as I know. I will read what Hitchens has to say about it though
InnocenceExperience 1 year ago
@TheAmericanApologist thanks for the video link. It'll give me something to think about. I'm really not committed to one position or the other. I'm just trying to gain some understanding of a complex issue.
InnocenceExperience 1 year ago 2
@InnocenceExperience I respect that kind of honesty. Let me know what you think that link.
TheAmericanApologist 1 year ago
@TheAmericanApologist
um, actually, thats another non-argument, you CANT break the quality of chomskys arguments, and you seem to just attack folks age, or charachter, and many sneaky cheap tricks you see neo-cons and wots-her-name-palin types all doing. avooid the issue and try to dirty the charachter. cheap, and blind, and anyway, why are you so effin botherd about sopme one you8 seem not top believe or care about?
gnowave 9 months ago
@TheAmericanApologist
this would be true, IF those really were the reasons they wenht to war, sadly and shamfully, the reasons they went tpo "war" were NOT for anyones good but corporates. theyr doing it again in libya, but this time theyr getting away with even worse media white-washing. protecting property? abroad? are you a fool?
civilians getting blasted all over the place, schools, hospitals, children being blasted... woit are u talking about johnny boyscout?
gnowave 9 months ago
@InnocenceExperience absolutly..
you will finjd that most of the "anti-chomsky" comments are all falling short in the sense that r.a.w. said, along lines of, there r three types of people, most are the first kind, asleep, apathretic, and the 2nd are the sociopaths who exploit and encourga ethem to stay \asleep, the 3rd are awake, but no one listens to them as it "spoils" their sleep, or game., so they get shit...
gnowave 9 months ago
I like this Noam fella, but I bet he can't bench that much.
SillySantaHat 1 year ago
@SillySantaHat Noam just benches books.
Braindrain3 1 year ago
Noam kills me. Only fools care about the next generation. Screw our kids. I want what I can get NOW. That's the right wing way. Our children can go screw themselves. My life is more important than others.
nickotwincities 1 year ago
@nickotwincities What? Have you NOT heard the constant chants against generational debt coming from the right? Have you not heard the daily denunciations of burdening our kids with out debt? I hear them everyday, and I'm more than willing to provide you with some info about - we literally won't shut up about that very subject! We are very opposed to it, and just a few minutes could correct your wildly inaccurate view. Let me know if you want to accept my invitation, I'm more than happy to help.
TheAmericanApologist 1 year ago
@TheAmericanApologist Allow me to educate you quickly as I've seen this before. You should be wanking about more than just the debt. With your country's over-dependence on shallow consumption, disdain for the environment (all that plastic has to be burried somewhere, gets in the water ya know), a complete lack of historical recall and future planning, I'm afraid those generations to come are pretty doomed. Thankfully I'll be watching remotely from my home planet Zeta-4 as it happens.
nickotwincities 1 year ago
@nickotwincities Wow. You did manage to educate me on something: You are completely moonbat crazy with your head on Zeta-4. As for facts, I had no idea someone could be so ignorant and present them so poorly. Grats on all that!
TheAmericanApologist 1 year ago
@bwmcmaste Yes but perhaps you misunderstood my point. I'm not saying "the US need proportional representation because then a Really Good Party will come along and bring about Utopia and rule forever in a happy, perfect world with unicorns". I'm saying "the US needs proportional representation because a serious left-wing voice is missing in the mainstream political debate, which won't change unless new parties are voted in and represented".
lol101lol101lol10199 1 year ago
We know, Noam, you want to be the President, unfortunately the only people who are listening to you are the teenagers at MIT.
3File 1 year ago
@bwmcmaste That is only true if you accept the notion that no existing or possible political party can work towards bringing about change to the better. Even if the majority of people in the US are currently too indoctrinated to actually vote for these better non- business party options there would at least be more different voices in the political debate. Or do you have a better idea for change? Revolution? Civil disobedience? Demonstrating? Signing a petition? Passivity? Name it!
lol101lol101lol10199 1 year ago
Oct.12/2010 U.S. Government lifts ban on deepwater drilling, after creating the ban because of the BP oil spill accident.
Back to business as usual. This is why the world is so messed up.
Manolo1013 1 year ago
@Manolo1013 it was all bolloox anyhow
gnowave 9 months ago
what was the name of that hospital in arizona, something like 75% of the births their were done free for the anchor babies... in most states doctors are obligated to perform 1/3 of service for free. apparently it is in the hypocratic oath, and is law in some states.
metagordian 1 year ago
he is a fucking communist! supporter or islamofascist and USA hater!
3File 1 year ago
@3File Yes, he's a Communist, a Muslim and a USA hater and don't forget he's also a Nazi, a fascist, a socialist liberal satanist and above all an atheist who eats innocent middle-class Christian babies just for fun.
PavedStones 1 year ago
@PavedStones and I love this man. I must be a total nerd becoz he is my hero.
davehutchinson67 1 year ago
@PavedStones brilliant. couldnt hav put it better! hee hee hee
gnowave 9 months ago
@3File nothing hysterical about you is there lass. pmsl
chindit83 1 year ago
@3File
get a life
gnowave 9 months ago
He denies that 6mln Jews died in the concentration camps, he loves terrorist, and would love if USA failed on all fronts of foreign and domestic policies. He is a fucking communist!!!!!
3File 1 year ago